Actually, I'm willing to bet that the geek-appeal sector is not a big market for Palm.
Have you seen how many suit-and-tie folk carry the things? That's where Palm is making its money.
(I'm willing to bet that geeks take up a large percentage of the 3rd party app market, though - a lot of the suits I've dealt with never install new software on theirs)
--- As I get older, I find that my respect for Stallman increases. I once took the ``pragmatic'' ESR view that freedom as such was a minute philosophical nit-pick. If enough people can be convinced to think in such terms, the surrender of basic human rights will go off without a hitch. ---
The difference is, 'free software' is not a right, let alone a 'basic human right'.
--- Because the seeds Monsanto sells are sterile, producing plants with no offspring. You have to keep going back to Monsanto and buy more seeds every planting season. ---
Do you 'have to' keep going back? Did Monsanto market the seeds as being non-terminating when they were? Are there not other companies people could go to for seeds and fertilizer?
Before someone says it, yes I know that Linux and open-source software in general doesn't tend to innovate - preferring to reimplement existing things instead. The difference is, in such a culture you are able to innovate without a ten ton gorilla on your back.
Maybe once the open-source community reimplements everything that is missing on their platform, some exciting stuff may appear. This may be starting to happen already, even...
Sadly, I agree that IE is at this point a better browser than Netscape at this point. Mozilla could change all that - we'll see.
But this isn't innovation. Innovation is creating something completely new, or a drastically different version of an existing concept. IE is, no matter how good or bad it may be, nothing more than an implementation of an existing concept.
The invention of the GUI is an innovation. The Windows 95 GUI is not. The development of the mouse is an innovation. The newest Logitech model out there is not. Cavemen creating fire is innovation. Your average BIC lighter is not.
See where I'm going with this? No matter what you think of their products - good or bad - Microsoft rarely if ever actually innovates. They usually wait until someone else does something and either comes out with a knockoff, or buys out the company. They are nothing more than implementers.
My problem is how they do it. It's one thing to be unoriginal, it's quite another to be unoriginal and predatory. I wouldn't mind Microsoft being so boring if they didn't smash other more innovative companies on a regular basis.
--- ...dollars to my company, damn straight I would want the government involved. --- --- "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive." -- Thomas Jefferson ---
--- As for your being too lazy to find the law, gee, why should anyone take your comments about it seriously? ---
Will you reread my comments? All I said was that intent could very well have something to do with it.
--- In fact, you admit you do not know what it is. ---
Perhaps you'd prefer talking like you know something and yet not admitting that you're not a lawyer?
--- These are quite different from "illegal" acts, which are created by criminal statute. ---
Let's put it this way: there have been people arrested for intentionally fucking with people's systems. Is that 'illegal'? I don't know - but I do know that they were arrested.
It's occuring to me that your original post was nothing more than bait.
Yep, but what else do you expect from the 8-9 bucks an hour crowd?
They've never had to do anything of actual purpose. If they did, they might take a better view of it after running Apache a bit.
Really, I can see why they don't like it: job security. They probably don't like people buying online either. Oh well, I guess it's back to McDonalds...
I'm not a lawyer, and am too lazy to look around. It's not like it hasn't been prosecuted before.
--- "Computer Abuse"? What the hell's that? ---
Computer resource abuse. If I recall, that's justification they used in Operation Sundevil to prosecute the offenders (those that weren't innocent bystanders at least).
My point still stands: Intent is a major part of the law. Run over someone on accident, and run over another person on purpose. The former may require you to pay someone's doctor bills, the latter will land you in jail.
My main problem with the iBook is the screen resolution and lack of video out options. Otherwise, it's a decent system for its target market (I wouldn't trade in my Bronze G3 though!).
Even though I'm a hardcore Mac user, I'd prefer it if Apple would ship a 2 button mouse. 3 buttons is pushing it for most people, but perfectly acceptable for power users.
I'm intrigued by the idea of a buttonless mouse. Like anything, it really depends on how well it is implemented (hopefully better than the puck mouse Apple has been shipping lately).
Do you intend to bring the server down? Then that's computer resource abuse. Are you pointing to a web site? That's an intended use, and if it goes down it's not your fault. Big difference.
Yep. I assume she wasn't forced to go there, either.
--- 1. Why would you serve coffee that is hot enough to cause third-degree burns? ---
Because, it would appear, most people don't seem to have a problem with it. People expect coffee to be hot, and if the market has decided that it doesn't mind (people still buy McDonald's coffee, right?), then what's the harm in that?
--- 2. Where do you put your drink when you go through the drive through? ---
In a cup holder (which most halfway recent vehicles have - and can be bought 3rd party if desired).
If it's a cold drink, I'll put it in my lap. If I spill it on myself and accidentally crash into a telephone poll, I'll pay the damages myself. I didn't have to put a drink in my lap, and neither did she. I didn't have to go through the drive- through, and neither did she.
--- It's funny, as anti-corporate as the typical/.er seems to be, they sure buy the corporate propaganda, hook, line, and sinker. ---
Oh yes, the "if you disagree with me, you must be a tool of The Man" argument. Give it a rest.
Second, Slashdot is not a collective. We are capable of having diverse opinions.
Third, some of us may not support the encroaching 'nanny culture' of this country where - instead of taking responsibility for your own actions - you shift the blame elsewhere and possibly make some cash in the process...
If you're using something like BootX, you can define just about any keys you want in the kernel arguments - you don't have to be stuck with the option key.
That said, you'd be well off buying a 3rd party mouse. Remember though, Apple isn't selling these for you to run Linux on (although they don't really care if you do).
...And on that note, the debate ends before it has begun.
While it appears you have good musical taste, your interpersonal skills could use some work.
(btw: while you focus on classical music in your previous post, nowhere do you specifically state that you were referring to it at the exclusion of other genres. therefore, i think it's understandable for someone to assume you meant 'popular music' in general)
--- There are two obvious problems with the fantasy you propose where anybody who has access to a computer can become the next megastar. ---
I think what he's saying is that we need fewer megastars and more real musicians.
--- Second: The current system based on media scarcity weeds out non-talented artists. ---
Huh? The current system rewards the bottom of the barrel 'artists' by use of shameless promotion, media tie-ins, branding, and easily digested but ultimately soulless drivel.
Unless, of course, you actually find value in the likes of N'Sync, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, and any of the other teen pop 'sensations' that pollute the air waves.
--- If I go buy an album at a store from a respectable label, there is a guaranteed level of quality. ---
Whatever floats your boat. Frankly, 95% of the music out there sucks, no matter who is peddling it. The only different between the independant labels and musicians and the big ones is that the latter are better at selling it to the masses. A very small number of no talents get rich while the truly unique and inventive are lost in the crowd.
I'm not one to promote piracy, but I'm not against anything that makes the music industry obsolete - and this is the real reason why the execs are nervous... Piracy is only a very small part of the whole equation.
Since when are people not fully responsible for their own actions?
That's one of the main problems with the American legal system. In order to get out of punishment, people all over and blaming their own stupidity or lack of morality on circumstance. As if the mere existance of Napster makes the decision of pirating MP3s (or not) for them.
Here's an idea for the populace: The Buck Stops Here. Too bad it's easier to blame addiction, their childhood, or technology instead.
I would tend to agree that his debating techniques need a little refining, but so far nobody has decided to call him on any of his facts.
Maybe it was just a response to what he felt was a 'know it all' attitude in the original post. I don't know enough about Roman history to say, myself.
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Actually, I'm willing to bet that the geek-appeal sector is not a big market for Palm.
Have you seen how many suit-and-tie folk carry the things? That's where Palm is making its money.
(I'm willing to bet that geeks take up a large percentage of the 3rd party app market, though - a lot of the suits I've dealt with never install new software on theirs)
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Battlefield Earth, contrary to popular opinion, most definately does not cause spontaneous diarrhea.
I don't think so, at least.
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Sometimes I have faith in our society - when a right-wing religious zealot (whether a joke or not) is labeled 'Funny'.
... Good show!
This is much preferrable to running from said zealot as he tries to strap you to a poll and light you on fire, or throws rocks at you.
If you are a troll - Good job! If not
Now, what about about those RMS clones...?
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(feeling myself being moderated to oblivian, which is okay - one must have fun you know)
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Maybe if Mac came out with an OS that...
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For the last fucking time, 'Mac' is not a company any more than 'Linux' or 'Windows' is a company,
A 'Mac' is a product, not a company, and not an acronym.
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- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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As I get older, I find that my respect for Stallman increases. I once took the ``pragmatic'' ESR view that freedom as such was a minute philosophical nit-pick. If enough people can be convinced to think in such terms, the surrender of basic human rights will go off without a hitch.
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The difference is, 'free software' is not a right, let alone a 'basic human right'.
It's a 'feature'.
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- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
That's funny - I noticed the same thing in California (the whole 'soda' thing).
Up here in the northwest (WA state), it's called either by its brand name, or 'pop'. No 'soda' to be found.
Dialect can be a very interesting thing sometimes...
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- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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Because the seeds Monsanto sells are sterile, producing plants with no offspring. You have to keep going back to Monsanto and buy more seeds every planting season.
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Do you 'have to' keep going back? Did Monsanto market the seeds as being non-terminating when they were? Are there not other companies people could go to for seeds and fertilizer?
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- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
An addendum -
Before someone says it, yes I know that Linux and open-source software in general doesn't tend to innovate - preferring to reimplement existing things instead. The difference is, in such a culture you are able to innovate without a ten ton gorilla on your back.
Maybe once the open-source community reimplements everything that is missing on their platform, some exciting stuff may appear. This may be starting to happen already, even...
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Sadly, I agree that IE is at this point a better browser than Netscape at this point. Mozilla could change all that - we'll see.
But this isn't innovation. Innovation is creating something completely new, or a drastically different version of an existing concept. IE is, no matter how good or bad it may be, nothing more than an implementation of an existing concept.
The invention of the GUI is an innovation. The Windows 95 GUI is not. The development of the mouse is an innovation. The newest Logitech model out there is not. Cavemen creating fire is innovation. Your average BIC lighter is not.
See where I'm going with this? No matter what you think of their products - good or bad - Microsoft rarely if ever actually innovates. They usually wait until someone else does something and either comes out with a knockoff, or buys out the company. They are nothing more than implementers.
My problem is how they do it. It's one thing to be unoriginal, it's quite another to be unoriginal and predatory. I wouldn't mind Microsoft being so boring if they didn't smash other more innovative companies on a regular basis.
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- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Isn't that a bit of a paradox?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
I know this is a troll, but I'll bite...
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No longer is innovation lauded, but persecuted.
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What innovation? We'll laud it when we see it.
Seriously though - please name all of the innovation Microsoft has produced. We'll wait.
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The unsuccessful are rewarded, and the successful are put to death.
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If by 'success' you mean shipping buggy bloatware to customers and tying them to closed standards to keep it in place, then I suppose you're right.
Not that Microsoft is in any danger of dying, or that its competitors (the ones that still exist) are taking its place, but...
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No longer is the consumer important, but just its competitors.
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That's funny, I could have sworn that I was a consumer...
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- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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...dollars to my company, damn straight I would want the government involved.
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"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Anyone else find this incredibly funny?
Offtopic, I know, but I couldn't resist.
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- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Marathon I and II ran pretty well on my LCIII, which was a 25 Mhz '030. A 33Mhz one should be just fine.
As for Infinity, it's hard to say. I never tried it.
Now, when I tried running Marathon on my mom's 16 Mhz '020 LC on the other hand... Heh. Now that sucked.
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- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Oh, and before you respond again... I'll quote my original reply:
"I think it's a matter of intent."
Emphasis mine.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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As for your being too lazy to find the law, gee, why should anyone take your comments about it seriously?
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Will you reread my comments? All I said was that intent could very well have something to do with it.
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In fact, you admit you do not know what it is.
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Perhaps you'd prefer talking like you know something and yet not admitting that you're not a lawyer?
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These are quite different from "illegal" acts, which are created by criminal statute.
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Let's put it this way: there have been people arrested for intentionally fucking with people's systems. Is that 'illegal'? I don't know - but I do know that they were arrested.
It's occuring to me that your original post was nothing more than bait.
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- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Yep, but what else do you expect from the 8-9 bucks an hour crowd?
They've never had to do anything of actual purpose. If they did, they might take a better view of it after running Apache a bit.
Really, I can see why they don't like it: job security. They probably don't like people buying online either. Oh well, I guess it's back to McDonalds...
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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I note you haven't cited the law.
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I'm not a lawyer, and am too lazy to look around. It's not like it hasn't been prosecuted before.
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"Computer Abuse"? What the hell's that?
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Computer resource abuse. If I recall, that's justification they used in Operation Sundevil to prosecute the offenders (those that weren't innocent bystanders at least).
My point still stands: Intent is a major part of the law. Run over someone on accident, and run over another person on purpose. The former may require you to pay someone's doctor bills, the latter will land you in jail.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
My main problem with the iBook is the screen resolution and lack of video out options. Otherwise, it's a decent system for its target market (I wouldn't trade in my Bronze G3 though!).
Even though I'm a hardcore Mac user, I'd prefer it if Apple would ship a 2 button mouse. 3 buttons is pushing it for most people, but perfectly acceptable for power users.
I'm intrigued by the idea of a buttonless mouse. Like anything, it really depends on how well it is implemented (hopefully better than the puck mouse Apple has been shipping lately).
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
I think it's a matter of intent.
Do you intend to bring the server down? Then that's computer resource abuse. Are you pointing to a web site? That's an intended use, and if it goes down it's not your fault. Big difference.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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/.er seems to be, they sure buy the corporate propaganda, hook, line, and sinker.
1. The coffee was around 200 degrees.
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Yep.
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2. The lady was in the drive-through
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Yep. I assume she wasn't forced to go there, either.
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1. Why would you serve coffee that is hot enough to cause third-degree burns?
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Because, it would appear, most people don't seem to have a problem with it. People expect coffee to be hot, and if the market has decided that it doesn't mind (people still buy McDonald's coffee, right?), then what's the harm in that?
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2. Where do you put your drink when you go through the drive through?
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In a cup holder (which most halfway recent vehicles have - and can be bought 3rd party if desired).
If it's a cold drink, I'll put it in my lap. If I spill it on myself and accidentally crash into a telephone poll, I'll pay the damages myself. I didn't have to put a drink in my lap, and neither did she. I didn't have to go through the drive- through, and neither did she.
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It's funny, as anti-corporate as the typical
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Oh yes, the "if you disagree with me, you must be a tool of The Man" argument. Give it a rest.
Second, Slashdot is not a collective. We are capable of having diverse opinions.
Third, some of us may not support the encroaching 'nanny culture' of this country where - instead of taking responsibility for your own actions - you shift the blame elsewhere and possibly make some cash in the process...
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
If you're using something like BootX, you can define just about any keys you want in the kernel arguments - you don't have to be stuck with the option key.
That said, you'd be well off buying a 3rd party mouse. Remember though, Apple isn't selling these for you to run Linux on (although they don't really care if you do).
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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Get a fucking clue you moron.
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...And on that note, the debate ends before it has begun.
While it appears you have good musical taste, your interpersonal skills could use some work.
(btw: while you focus on classical music in your previous post, nowhere do you specifically state that you were referring to it at the exclusion of other genres. therefore, i think it's understandable for someone to assume you meant 'popular music' in general)
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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There are two obvious problems with the fantasy you propose where anybody who has access to a computer can become the next megastar.
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I think what he's saying is that we need fewer megastars and more real musicians.
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Second: The current system based on media scarcity weeds out non-talented artists.
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Huh? The current system rewards the bottom of the barrel 'artists' by use of shameless promotion, media tie-ins, branding, and easily digested but ultimately soulless drivel.
Unless, of course, you actually find value in the likes of N'Sync, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, and any of the other teen pop 'sensations' that pollute the air waves.
---
If I go buy an album at a store from a respectable label, there is a guaranteed level of quality.
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Whatever floats your boat. Frankly, 95% of the music out there sucks, no matter who is peddling it. The only different between the independant labels and musicians and the big ones is that the latter are better at selling it to the masses. A very small number of no talents get rich while the truly unique and inventive are lost in the crowd.
I'm not one to promote piracy, but I'm not against anything that makes the music industry obsolete - and this is the real reason why the execs are nervous... Piracy is only a very small part of the whole equation.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Since when are people not fully responsible for their own actions?
That's one of the main problems with the American legal system. In order to get out of punishment, people all over and blaming their own stupidity or lack of morality on circumstance. As if the mere existance of Napster makes the decision of pirating MP3s (or not) for them.
Here's an idea for the populace: The Buck Stops Here. Too bad it's easier to blame addiction, their childhood, or technology instead.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
I would tend to agree that his debating techniques need a little refining, but so far nobody has decided to call him on any of his facts.
Maybe it was just a response to what he felt was a 'know it all' attitude in the original post. I don't know enough about Roman history to say, myself.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)