Isn't it funny that our broadband here in the US is so slow? I checked and bbb lines at 24mbit are going for about 67 bucks a month but yet most people in the US pay that for 3-5mb down and wimpy 384k uploads.
Our broadband here is more like dialup in comparison to other countries lol. my line with SBC costs $53/mo for 3mb/384... though really it should be the 'budget' plan costing $9.95/mo considering its dynamic and SLOW compared to 'real' lines.
I'm hoping our US providers will eventually bring our country's internet to the top of the industry - or do they really like lagging behind?
Perhaps your right - but based on that I would suggest that we remove the limit on terms when there are no other viable options for President - then we would not wind up with Bush and Gore being the only option...
Fear is an awfully strong word; however, I 'fear' any person or group with a great deal of power and no respect for how it effects others as is being done in this case. Like many other tech-decisions, the courts are brainless when it comes to what should and should not occur.
Great example there with Bush, with the exception that, like the majority of Americans, I did not vote for him.. though you were simply trying to be a troll with your comment.
This email law mockery is only one of many steps in the wrong direction - as have many of the laws from Clinton and Bush Jr. have been.
No need to presume that we love Bush Jr. just because you want to blame that for everything though.... He bought his way in and he'll be gone after one term - Hopefully the people in Florida learn how to fill in circles before the next election.. lol
I'll tell you what though - If we start having people at isp's reading email from the First Circuit's personal email accounts and using any information they receive thats interesting and forward 'tips' to the LA Times and Seattle Times reporters and see how long this kinda garbage legal action continues.
I cant believe we have people this stupid working in our legal system...
I could not agree more and I've been saying the same thing for years in as many places as possible.
As Americans, we have to be a tad more cautious about what we 'share' but doesn't really effect our downloading (while running peerguardian, to make sure downloads don't come from the riaa/mpaa lol).
Joking aside though - when I have downloaded in the past it was directly tied to what I bought later. I simply wont buy music/movies I have not downloaded and I simply will not pay $20 for a cd that two years from now I can buy at $9 on the discount rack. This also comes into play with our economy right now - being in this recession (they call it what they want but until they can sustain their family on less than $20,000/yr I don't even hear the words coming out of their unknowledgeable mouths) it's directly effected how people buy things in this Country and 'yes' sales are down (and will stay down) in some segments of music/movies - whooptie doo - when everyone's working and happy, they spend more money....
Anyway - I'm glad the will of the People is heard in Canada on this issue.. Too bad the pockets are lined too thickly here in the US for the common people to be heard anymore.
Like the majority of people in the US, I did not vote for Bush. (Nor will I if he bothers to try for a second term!)
That said - many people in our legal system and Government read Slashdot (as has been proven in the past) and you should not undercut Slashdot readers' impact. We are a representation of global opinion and while many are slanted one way or another, we give our honest opinions in an open forum where in the 'real' world we may not always be as expressive (because frankly there are people like yourself whom think the world is a great place right now when its really not - times are getting worse and wars are still being fought - people die every day, in our Country and others).
The day the Gov't starts over-turning the concepts our forefathers fought for (constitution, bill of rights, etc) then you're definitely wrong - we the people definitely do not have the power we had nor do we have 'freedom'.... perhaps a muddy vision with rose colored glasses of what used to be and wish we still had... In the last few years we've lost a great many rights that you must have overlooked (I suggest you review the last 5 years of Slashdot and then get back to us all here who have kept up with the news)......Step away from the rose glasses and wake up.;)
It's intended to give the Government full access to information across it's many levels - not so the public can access it..
Really, who are we trying to fool here? The Gov't is not going to release anything it considers useful for at least 50-100 years.
Sorry, I guess I dont have much faith in the legal system when Judges and Gov't officials can outweigh the will of the people - this is not the America I was born in....frankly its more like the Russia I remember as a kid and thinking 'I sure am glad I live here in a Free Country'..... Now I sit here and wonder when an 'honest' Judicial/Governmental system will come around and really think about the people's needs instead of who's lining their pocket book..
I'm not holding my breath on this being released - because the Gov't is more paranoid about giving up data than p2p users are in sharing in public places, lol.
Since signing up I have received 0 (zero, nada zilch) phone calls from sales people....
It should be noted that I was getting calls from the minute I went home through about midnight before signing up for the list so in my case it's a drastic improvement.
I'm 'very' happy with the results so far. I'm sure the sales people are not lol!
That should make for some interesting news when nearly every household in America would be in violation of the law - what, are they going to storm down every home who has a vcr that is capable of 'recording'?
They never cease to amaze me - whats next - the cassette recorder?? Or how about my camcorder?
The reason you cant find a party to agree with here in the US of A..... well because frankly nobody sticks to their guns anymore... any of them can be bought out by big business.
There will always be PAC's (insert the appropriate gov't re-worded way to say money under the table to turn their heads while rights get trampled on) that line their pockets...
Anyway - I hope the Canadian lawmakers just leave things alone up there before they write another DMCA....
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The more I think about it though - it might be a good thing..... then cops could worry about real crimes.. hehe
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As long as my car can auto sense the speed limit and auto-adjust its speed to avoid tickets I'll be fine - otherwise I'm going to get tickets every day..
The thought of the road markers being lit by led though sounds great - too many foggy nights when its hard to see them and this could help a bit.
Would you run for president, lol. Because frankly your ideals match what I'd vote for better than the 'candidates' we have.
Soon enough, we're going to be getting tracking chips implanted in all newborn children to 'help' us have a safer America...... at this point I'm looking at other Countries to raise my children where they can have more freedom.
"Give others a copy? I think you need to re-acquaint yourself with notion of fair use. There's nothing fair about giving away someone else's property."
lmao, well I'm sure there's a place for you working with the RIAA if your not already working there; however, the rest of us who support fair use and use p2p (hundreds of millions worldwide - most of which have greater freedom and are not held under the same legal restrictions our Country imposes) will continue to fight this fight.
Fair use is exactly that - as long as I don't sell copies I've made, I did not break the good ol fair use doctrine - too bad short sighted bureaucrats with deep pockets and little concept of fair use approved the current ( and temporary imho ) legislation because its going to take a lot of work to get that garbage out of the legal system but it will be removed just the same.....
Anyway, nice debating with you but you must realize that one or two generations from now our grandchildren and their grandchildren will judge us for our lack of action on this and why we allowed this freedom to be trodden over. What will we have in response? Think about it before you choose your side.
The RIAA liars claimed monetary losses that pushed laws to be written without any thought to the dissolution to our Constitutional rights and you need to ask why it matters? Please.
The only reason the p2p transfers were demonized was the purported losses alleged by the recording industry when in reality its their poor marketing strategy, product overpricing and a sharp decline in marketable talent which has placed the music industry in this position.
The point is - your rights have been squandered away with a few strokes of a pen at the beckoned call of the great harlot of music and you don't even see what you've lost. Sad.
The concept of fair use 'was' simple. I buy a cd, I copy my cd, I give you and others a copy at 'no charge' and based on that lack of charge there's no violation of fair use. (Pre DMCA law of course) Now, you expect all of us who understood what the BetaMax case meant to fair use to ignore the freedom that case clarified was already given to us through Constitutional law and allow this mockery of law called the DMCA to be what we follow? Well given time the DMCA will be found to be, as I've mentioned, unconstitutional and overturned - unless there is no justice left in the American legal system anymore.... and I refuse to accept that but perhaps that's really what this means - that the impartiality of our court system to follow law rather than money lining their pockets has left us without a just court system to guide our laws... I guess time will answer that.
My anger isn't at you or people with your clouded sentiment - just that people really don't seem to get it... We've lost more freedom over the last 3 years than anyone seems to notice... Really, read the words.. Read the 'patriot act' in all it's splendor or the DMCA for that matter and compare your rights prior to their inception.
We're a lot less 'Free' as Americans than people of other countries - alas, I'll still continue to fight for you and for others like you.
I own perhaps 10 cd's and dozens of old cassette tapes. I earn about 1/2 the money I did in the mid 90's (stupid economy!) and I really have to make the choice between music, software or food.
Reality is, I'm not in the market to purchase the music I might download on a p2p program anyway, so it wouldn't matter if I downloaded one song or every song ever recorded the RIAA and the myriad of other music groups etc would never have lost a penny because of it because quite plainly I would not be spending money on media one way or the other.
Downloading a song or an iso of some program makes/zero/ dollar impact to companies for the majority of people who really are the downloaders using p2p who 99% of them have not changed their spending habits.
Personally (and there are 80 Million+ American's or more who agree with me) I do not recognize the farce called the DMCA as being constitutional. It should be overturned and shown as nothing more than an attempt to corrupt the fair use laws our fore fathers wrote into the laws to protect us from tyrannical corporations and individuals who may take the kinds of actions these idiots are now purportedly now legally allowed to pursue.
P2P has brought networking and information sharing to an entirely different level than imagined possible before. Advents of Bit Torrent has made sharing of huge amounts of data to a vast number of people possible with a modicum of the resources it once required. We're the ones leading the future of information - not the Governing officials.. and they know that... they are out of control and that scares them... THAT is really the issue here.. 'control' over us.
Ok sorry, I'm ranting a bit but my point stands ~ we're not going to duck under the desk and hide because some bureaucrats think they can scare us... but some of us still remember the words 'we the people' and lets be honest here, 'we' want legal and free transfer of information... now all the gov't has to do (if they want to keep being elected) is back the people instead of big business...
lol, ok I'm ranting again.. I'll end my post (here).
http://www.sodamuseum.bigstep.com/generic.jhtml?pi d=10 is the recipe to coca cola if you really want it - it was made public information a long time ago lol.
Point being, nothing secret, stays secret forever.
To clarify my position in the quoted statement. I'm saying you could A)Contract with hardware companies to make their drivers {which you could do for them, for no charge - except you would want a percentage of total sales} and then B)market the hardware 'for' the hardware company in order to increase sales and thus your bottom line profit..
Also to clarify, most music labels have no affiliation with the RIAA and given the RIAA's lack of consumer mindedness I don't imagine they will gain too many additional 'intelligent' labels any time in the near future. So, lets not use them as the model music corporation.. Lets analyze 'what' is music but thoughts that were written down and then brought to life in music. Who determines the value of this or any non-physical product? The end consumer.
Now if I were to take the same reasoning I had used with the one I mentioned for you, where you'd sell your drivers to manufacturers and then sell the hardware on your website and then pass that concept to artists, they would all charge the music companies for their music and the music companies would advertise the artists (mp3 distribution) and then sell tickets to concerts where not just one artist would play, but a couple dozen would play...
This is only one concept of many but the bottom line is the consumers no longer see the value of a 20 dollar/10 dollar cd anymore.. the only way they will sell is if there is an added benefit to buying it over going online and downloading the music.. for example, if there were a concert ticket in every cd sold, the cd's might still be able to sell for 15 bucks a cd... but without it, they're just a wasteful way to buy music..
Oh and just a side note.. one of my friends who own's a record label - when I asked him what he thought about music of the artists that use his services to distribute music he said "all music should be free".... I admit that was not the answer I'd expected from a recording studio but it's the answer I got.
CD's / mp3's are nothing more than advertising... I mean really, how many independent artists could have ever dreamed about distributing their music globally? The answer would be practically zero, before mp3's and p2p.
Another artist friend of mine sells electronica music online in two prominent locations. He's been operating for years exclusively online and makes a decent living from the sales. He allows many of his tracks to be downloaded for free as he understands that the music he has is the best advertising he has, to sell his full cd's online. http://www.tictokmen.com/ is his site and take a gander - its amazing how he makes money in a market segment others have said depends on storefront sales or some huge music studio... When in reality the mainstream artists make virtually nothing per cd and small independents like my friend make a decent amount....
Anyway, feel free to analyze that how you see fit but the p2p community is not going to be stopped at this point.
Ohhhh, and just as a note: If you were to sell drivers online, for hardware that is defunct or didn't work with os's like linux you would make good money as well.. again, not enough to get you rich but you could post a link to your sales page on http://www.driverguide.com and then sell the drivers on your site. Granted, I don't think I've heard a case of an end user getting sued for sharing hardware drivers so you'd have to set a new precedent if you tried to sue a user for sharing drivers you sold them.. lol, ya gotta love the game..
Nope... I have good old analog speakers at home but even if I did run digital.. How long do you think it would take someone to make a $5 digital to analog converter you could build from radio shack parts... a week? lol, more likely, there are prolly plans sitting on hundreds of sites on how to do it already...
For drm to work, you would only be able to listen to music in licensed music booths at the mall or in a cd-store, and you'd have to go through a metal detector and x ray to verify you didn't have a recording device - and they'd need a security guard from the riaa posted at every on of them...
You know what would happen then? People would settle for ripping the audio off FM radio - and they'd live with the loss of sound quality, for the freedom of choice and ability to exercise fair use again.
If the playing device has speakers, I can rip the wires off it and twist the pair to an old audio headphones input if I have to but its really not possible to block this..
Well then, the ones who choose not to perform will be doing 'free labor' and the ones who program sounds and learn to improvise with the times will make money.
Artists cant just click their heels together three times and say DRM, DRM, DRM - then open their eyes and have the p2p community disappear.... Granted, if the p2p community did disappear many of these artists would have a 0% penetration into their segment markets and would never be known in the first place. lol
I didn't create this environment we communicate through but I am a product of its colorful side.
If your a programmer than make deals with the hardware companies to distribute/program/update their drivers and at the same time offer their hardware for sale (at a discount if they would offer you one as their s/w writer) and make money from both angles.
Furthermore - in this economy and age, anyone who does not bend and update with the times will simply be past by and wonder why they're broke...
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Well, we could always call the owner of the site and tell him how much we 'so' appreciate his exploit being used on ppl.
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Isn't it funny that our broadband here in the US is so slow? I checked and bbb lines at 24mbit are going for about 67 bucks a month but yet most people in the US pay that for 3-5mb down and wimpy 384k uploads.
Our broadband here is more like dialup in comparison to other countries lol. my line with SBC costs $53/mo for 3mb/384... though really it should be the 'budget' plan costing $9.95/mo considering its dynamic and SLOW compared to 'real' lines.
I'm hoping our US providers will eventually bring our country's internet to the top of the industry - or do they really like lagging behind?
Perhaps your right - but based on that I would suggest that we remove the limit on terms when there are no other viable options for President - then we would not wind up with Bush and Gore being the only option...
Fear is an awfully strong word; however, I 'fear' any person or group with a great deal of power and no respect for how it effects others as is being done in this case. Like many other tech-decisions, the courts are brainless when it comes to what should and should not occur.
Great example there with Bush, with the exception that, like the majority of Americans, I did not vote for him.. though you were simply trying to be a troll with your comment.
This email law mockery is only one of many steps in the wrong direction - as have many of the laws from Clinton and Bush Jr. have been.
No need to presume that we love Bush Jr. just because you want to blame that for everything though.... He bought his way in and he'll be gone after one term - Hopefully the people in Florida learn how to fill in circles before the next election.. lol
Holy Shit is right!
I'll tell you what though - If we start having people at isp's reading email from the First Circuit's personal email accounts and using any information they receive thats interesting and forward 'tips' to the LA Times and Seattle Times reporters and see how long this kinda garbage legal action continues.
I cant believe we have people this stupid working in our legal system...
I could not agree more and I've been saying the same thing for years in as many places as possible.
As Americans, we have to be a tad more cautious about what we 'share' but doesn't really effect our downloading (while running peerguardian, to make sure downloads don't come from the riaa/mpaa lol).
Joking aside though - when I have downloaded in the past it was directly tied to what I bought later. I simply wont buy music/movies I have not downloaded and I simply will not pay $20 for a cd that two years from now I can buy at $9 on the discount rack. This also comes into play with our economy right now - being in this recession (they call it what they want but until they can sustain their family on less than $20,000/yr I don't even hear the words coming out of their unknowledgeable mouths) it's directly effected how people buy things in this Country and 'yes' sales are down (and will stay down) in some segments of music/movies - whooptie doo - when everyone's working and happy, they spend more money....
Anyway - I'm glad the will of the People is heard in Canada on this issue.. Too bad the pockets are lined too thickly here in the US for the common people to be heard anymore.
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Like the majority of people in the US, I did not vote for Bush. (Nor will I if he bothers to try for a second term!)
That said - many people in our legal system and Government read Slashdot (as has been proven in the past) and you should not undercut Slashdot readers' impact. We are a representation of global opinion and while many are slanted one way or another, we give our honest opinions in an open forum where in the 'real' world we may not always be as expressive (because frankly there are people like yourself whom think the world is a great place right now when its really not - times are getting worse and wars are still being fought - people die every day, in our Country and others).
The day the Gov't starts over-turning the concepts our forefathers fought for (constitution, bill of rights, etc) then you're definitely wrong - we the people definitely do not have the power we had nor do we have 'freedom'.... perhaps a muddy vision with rose colored glasses of what used to be and wish we still had... In the last few years we've lost a great many rights that you must have overlooked (I suggest you review the last 5 years of Slashdot and then get back to us all here who have kept up with the news)......Step away from the rose glasses and wake up.
It's intended to give the Government full access to information across it's many levels - not so the public can access it..
Really, who are we trying to fool here? The Gov't is not going to release anything it considers useful for at least 50-100 years.
Sorry, I guess I dont have much faith in the legal system when Judges and Gov't officials can outweigh the will of the people - this is not the America I was born in....frankly its more like the Russia I remember as a kid and thinking 'I sure am glad I live here in a Free Country'..... Now I sit here and wonder when an 'honest' Judicial/Governmental system will come around and really think about the people's needs instead of who's lining their pocket book..
I'm not holding my breath on this being released - because the Gov't is more paranoid about giving up data than p2p users are in sharing in public places, lol.
Since signing up I have received 0 (zero, nada zilch) phone calls from sales people....
It should be noted that I was getting calls from the minute I went home through about midnight before signing up for the list so in my case it's a drastic improvement.
I'm 'very' happy with the results so far. I'm sure the sales people are not lol!
That should make for some interesting news when nearly every household in America would be in violation of the law - what, are they going to storm down every home who has a vcr that is capable of 'recording'? They never cease to amaze me - whats next - the cassette recorder?? Or how about my camcorder?
The reason you cant find a party to agree with here in the US of A..... well because frankly nobody sticks to their guns anymore... any of them can be bought out by big business. There will always be PAC's (insert the appropriate gov't re-worded way to say money under the table to turn their heads while rights get trampled on) that line their pockets... Anyway - I hope the Canadian lawmakers just leave things alone up there before they write another DMCA....
The more I think about it though - it might be a good thing..... then cops could worry about real crimes.. hehe
As long as my car can auto sense the speed limit and auto-adjust its speed to avoid tickets I'll be fine - otherwise I'm going to get tickets every day..
The thought of the road markers being lit by led though sounds great - too many foggy nights when its hard to see them and this could help a bit.
Would you run for president, lol. Because frankly your ideals match what I'd vote for better than the 'candidates' we have.
Soon enough, we're going to be getting tracking chips implanted in all newborn children to 'help' us have a safer America...... at this point I'm looking at other Countries to raise my children where they can have more freedom.
"Give others a copy? I think you need to re-acquaint yourself with notion of fair use. There's nothing fair about giving away someone else's property."
lmao, well I'm sure there's a place for you working with the RIAA if your not already working there; however, the rest of us who support fair use and use p2p (hundreds of millions worldwide - most of which have greater freedom and are not held under the same legal restrictions our Country imposes) will continue to fight this fight.
Fair use is exactly that - as long as I don't sell copies I've made, I did not break the good ol fair use doctrine - too bad short sighted bureaucrats with deep pockets and little concept of fair use approved the current ( and temporary imho ) legislation because its going to take a lot of work to get that garbage out of the legal system but it will be removed just the same.....
Anyway, nice debating with you but you must realize that one or two generations from now our grandchildren and their grandchildren will judge us for our lack of action on this and why we allowed this freedom to be trodden over. What will we have in response? Think about it before you choose your side.
Why does it matter?
The RIAA liars claimed monetary losses that pushed laws to be written without any thought to the dissolution to our Constitutional rights and you need to ask why it matters? Please.
The only reason the p2p transfers were demonized was the purported losses alleged by the recording industry when in reality its their poor marketing strategy, product overpricing and a sharp decline in marketable talent which has placed the music industry in this position.
The point is - your rights have been squandered away with a few strokes of a pen at the beckoned call of the great harlot of music and you don't even see what you've lost. Sad.
The concept of fair use 'was' simple. I buy a cd, I copy my cd, I give you and others a copy at 'no charge' and based on that lack of charge there's no violation of fair use. (Pre DMCA law of course) Now, you expect all of us who understood what the BetaMax case meant to fair use to ignore the freedom that case clarified was already given to us through Constitutional law and allow this mockery of law called the DMCA to be what we follow? Well given time the DMCA will be found to be, as I've mentioned, unconstitutional and overturned - unless there is no justice left in the American legal system anymore.... and I refuse to accept that but perhaps that's really what this means - that the impartiality of our court system to follow law rather than money lining their pockets has left us without a just court system to guide our laws... I guess time will answer that.
My anger isn't at you or people with your clouded sentiment - just that people really don't seem to get it... We've lost more freedom over the last 3 years than anyone seems to notice... Really, read the words.. Read the 'patriot act' in all it's splendor or the DMCA for that matter and compare your rights prior to their inception.
We're a lot less 'Free' as Americans than people of other countries - alas, I'll still continue to fight for you and for others like you.
You're welcome.
I have to agree.
/zero/ dollar impact to companies for the majority of people who really are the downloaders using p2p who 99% of them have not changed their spending habits.
I own perhaps 10 cd's and dozens of old cassette tapes. I earn about 1/2 the money I did in the mid 90's (stupid economy!) and I really have to make the choice between music, software or food.
Reality is, I'm not in the market to purchase the music I might download on a p2p program anyway, so it wouldn't matter if I downloaded one song or every song ever recorded the RIAA and the myriad of other music groups etc would never have lost a penny because of it because quite plainly I would not be spending money on media one way or the other.
Downloading a song or an iso of some program makes
Personally (and there are 80 Million+ American's or more who agree with me) I do not recognize the farce called the DMCA as being constitutional. It should be overturned and shown as nothing more than an attempt to corrupt the fair use laws our fore fathers wrote into the laws to protect us from tyrannical corporations and individuals who may take the kinds of actions these idiots are now purportedly now legally allowed to pursue.
P2P has brought networking and information sharing to an entirely different level than imagined possible before. Advents of Bit Torrent has made sharing of huge amounts of data to a vast number of people possible with a modicum of the resources it once required. We're the ones leading the future of information - not the Governing officials.. and they know that... they are out of control and that scares them... THAT is really the issue here.. 'control' over us.
Ok sorry, I'm ranting a bit but my point stands ~ we're not going to duck under the desk and hide because some bureaucrats think they can scare us... but some of us still remember the words 'we the people' and lets be honest here, 'we' want legal and free transfer of information... now all the gov't has to do (if they want to keep being elected) is back the people instead of big business...
lol, ok I'm ranting again.. I'll end my post (here).
http://www.sodamuseum.bigstep.com/generic.jhtml?pi d=10 is the recipe to coca cola if you really want it - it was made public information a long time ago lol.
Point being, nothing secret, stays secret forever.
To clarify my position in the quoted statement. I'm saying you could A)Contract with hardware companies to make their drivers {which you could do for them, for no charge - except you would want a percentage of total sales} and then B)market the hardware 'for' the hardware company in order to increase sales and thus your bottom line profit..
Also to clarify, most music labels have no affiliation with the RIAA and given the RIAA's lack of consumer mindedness I don't imagine they will gain too many additional 'intelligent' labels any time in the near future. So, lets not use them as the model music corporation.. Lets analyze 'what' is music but thoughts that were written down and then brought to life in music. Who determines the value of this or any non-physical product? The end consumer.
Now if I were to take the same reasoning I had used with the one I mentioned for you, where you'd sell your drivers to manufacturers and then sell the hardware on your website and then pass that concept to artists, they would all charge the music companies for their music and the music companies would advertise the artists (mp3 distribution) and then sell tickets to concerts where not just one artist would play, but a couple dozen would play...
This is only one concept of many but the bottom line is the consumers no longer see the value of a 20 dollar/10 dollar cd anymore.. the only way they will sell is if there is an added benefit to buying it over going online and downloading the music.. for example, if there were a concert ticket in every cd sold, the cd's might still be able to sell for 15 bucks a cd... but without it, they're just a wasteful way to buy music..
Oh and just a side note.. one of my friends who own's a record label - when I asked him what he thought about music of the artists that use his services to distribute music he said "all music should be free".... I admit that was not the answer I'd expected from a recording studio but it's the answer I got.
CD's / mp3's are nothing more than advertising... I mean really, how many independent artists could have ever dreamed about distributing their music globally? The answer would be practically zero, before mp3's and p2p.
Another artist friend of mine sells electronica music online in two prominent locations. He's been operating for years exclusively online and makes a decent living from the sales. He allows many of his tracks to be downloaded for free as he understands that the music he has is the best advertising he has, to sell his full cd's online. http://www.tictokmen.com/ is his site and take a gander - its amazing how he makes money in a market segment others have said depends on storefront sales or some huge music studio... When in reality the mainstream artists make virtually nothing per cd and small independents like my friend make a decent amount....
Anyway, feel free to analyze that how you see fit but the p2p community is not going to be stopped at this point.
Ohhhh, and just as a note: If you were to sell drivers online, for hardware that is defunct or didn't work with os's like linux you would make good money as well.. again, not enough to get you rich but you could post a link to your sales page on http://www.driverguide.com and then sell the drivers on your site. Granted, I don't think I've heard a case of an end user getting sued for sharing hardware drivers so you'd have to set a new precedent if you tried to sue a user for sharing drivers you sold them.. lol, ya gotta love the game..
Nope... I have good old analog speakers at home but even if I did run digital.. How long do you think it would take someone to make a $5 digital to analog converter you could build from radio shack parts... a week? lol, more likely, there are prolly plans sitting on hundreds of sites on how to do it already...
For drm to work, you would only be able to listen to music in licensed music booths at the mall or in a cd-store, and you'd have to go through a metal detector and x ray to verify you didn't have a recording device - and they'd need a security guard from the riaa posted at every on of them...
You know what would happen then? People would settle for ripping the audio off FM radio - and they'd live with the loss of sound quality, for the freedom of choice and ability to exercise fair use again.
If the playing device has speakers, I can rip the wires off it and twist the pair to an old audio headphones input if I have to but its really not possible to block this..
Or how about they team up with someone who 'has' vocal talent...
Its time for change... the old model of how to make money as a musician is dead.
Well then, the ones who choose not to perform will be doing 'free labor' and the ones who program sounds and learn to improvise with the times will make money.
Artists cant just click their heels together three times and say DRM, DRM, DRM - then open their eyes and have the p2p community disappear.... Granted, if the p2p community did disappear many of these artists would have a 0% penetration into their segment markets and would never be known in the first place. lol
I didn't create this environment we communicate through but I am a product of its colorful side.
If your a programmer than make deals with the hardware companies to distribute/program/update their drivers and at the same time offer their hardware for sale (at a discount if they would offer you one as their s/w writer) and make money from both angles.
Furthermore - in this economy and age, anyone who does not bend and update with the times will simply be past by and wonder why they're broke...