Between Gelato and Fluendo I think we've officially run out of good names for products. I suggest we start naming things like astronomers do. Lets call this one NGC 2607 or something like that.
I am a Windows user. I use DnD all the time. I typically find the file I want and either double click on it, or right-click and select Open-with, or DnD it to an app icon to open it.
Clearly you do not know everything about what Windows users do or don't do.
Smaller chips are cooler than bigger chips (based on transistor size, all else being equal). They need less voltage to run because there is less distance for the signals to travel.
The heat problem is due to raising the clock at the same time and/or keeping the size the same but adding more transisitors (e.g. P4).
1) I regularly download things to the Desktop, both in Windows and OS X. It is a folder in the FS. I can open the.dmg or.zip file right there and run the app. I can leave it there is I want to. If it has an installer I run the installer and it puts things in the App menu/desktop/quicklaunch bar. This takes about 5 minutes to learn.
If users cannot figure at least this much out then they will continue to need some kind of admin/guru to help them until our OSes come with an AI to take on that role.
Clueless is clueless, no package system in the world will help that.
2) I disagree with your blanket statement that Windows users do not understand DnD. But maybe we just have different types of people in our clueless circles.
In my understanding 0install cannot totally replace some kind of dist package system because you at least need some basic things running in order to even get 0install. I also believe that things like apache that typically run as root or some priveleged user, or are not run on demand but at boot time are unlikely to be used via 0install.
Think about programs like Gnumeric, Gaim, Mozilla, Gimp. To run one of these you just find it and run it. One step (that typically requires root access) is skipped - installation.
That is basically it from the end user viewpoint. It is more secure because for these end-user type apps no root access is required. For apache or other system level applications/services root access is still required.
The OSS drivers are marked deprecated. The OSS compatibility modules are not deprecated. They are what allows OSS-based apps to run in an ALSA environment.
But if you didn't have Internet access the first time you ran it, how would you run it at all? For 'normal' installation you need Internet access or a CD first. Same here.
Do you normally run Apache like you would run Word, Gnumeric, Mozilla? No, you install it in a special way and it runs as a server. If you ran apache in the standard way or via 0install (not that you would) both would run with the same priveleges and any trojan would only have your privileges and could not damage the entire system or do anything that you could not do.
Yes, if you install programs in your own directories and run them then any app you run can delete or replace those programs. This has nothing to do with ROX or 0install. ROX and 0install are no different from any other linux/unix system in this regard.
1) There is nothing more insecure about 0Install than having someone download and run (or compile and run) software in their home directory. All the software runs as 'you', not root. If there is an exploitable hole when running as you then it is as easily exploitable with any other software as with 0Install.
2) If for some reason an Admin doesn't allow users to install and run their own software the Admin can run 0install on the system to provide users with the software (e.g. prime the cache).
3) What dangerous thing are you talking about? Running an app? That is what we're talking about here. Find an app on the net via 0install and run it. The act of running it is the same security risk as if you found a RPM/DEB and download/install it and run it.
No, you don't. There is no 'special Applications dir' to put things in. There isn't one on OS X either. Drag and drop to your desktop, home dir. anywhere you f-ing want. OR just run from the Internet as described above. There is nothing special and nothing you need to learn about the filesystem. Find it, optionally drag and drop somewhere local, and run it. done.
You are wrong about ROX and 0Install. Get over it.
Its Album of the Soundtrack, not Soundtrack of the Album you insensitive clod!
Sigh, alone again.
INTERVIEWER: We're all a bit stunned Mr. French about your claim that your latest film stars Marilyn Monroe. FRENCH: Yes. INTERVIEWER: Who died over 10 year ago. FRENCH: That's correct. INTERVIEWER: Are you lying? FRENCH: No, no. Its just that she's very much in the public eye at the moment. INTERVIEWER: What does Marilyn do in the film? FRENCH: Oh, we have her lying on beds, lying on floors, falling out of cabinets, frightening the children... INTERVIEWER: But surely Miss Monroe was cremated? FRENCH: Uh. We had to use a stand-in for some of the more visible shots. INTERVIEWER: Ah, another actress. FRENCH: A dead actress. But Miss Monroe was in shot the whole time. INTERVIEWER: How? FRENCH: Oh, in an ashtray, in a vacuum cleaner, in a fire grate... INTERVIEWER: So, Marilyn does not appear in the film? FRENCH: N...Not as such. INTERVIEWER: Mr. French, you're one of the film worlds most arrogant queens. FRENCH: Well...yes. INTERVIEWER: I mean not just gay or homosexual, a reall raving queen. A real 'whoops, get out, don't mind me' the limp wristed caricature. FRENCH: Is that not in order? INTERVIEWER: No, no, that's fine. And I also understand that you married the beautiful heiress Uwena Tannoy, partly for the publicity, but mostly to cover up the fact that you prefer going out with little boys. FRENCH: What!? INTERVIEWER: French you're an effeminate little pouf, a mincing gay-bar loiterer, a Winnet Common walking perfume shop, and an evil perverter of innocent little boys. FRENCH: Really!? Is this part of the interview? INTERVIEWER: No, I just wanted a few contacts. That's all. FRENCH: What about the interview. INTERVIEWER: Forget about the interview, we've been off the air for ages. Where'd you find them? FRENCH: I think we really still are on the air. INTERVIEWER: Oh, sod the fucking air! Please, just a few contacts. FRENCH: We've got James Dean in it; in a box...
Here and I thought that I was the only one who bought (and memorized) The Album, of the Soundtrack, of the Trailer, of the Film, of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
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Troll!? Hey, that's a first for me. :) Usually I just get funny, overrated or offtopic.
Now I have to go for that elusive 'Interesting' to complete the set.
Why in the heck am I lugging a giant steel box with me everywhere I go...?
Umm, the car is supposed to lug you, not the other way around.
"stop playing with your fucking water glass and get back to work!"
7. And it has the words "Don't Panic" on the cover.
Between Gelato and Fluendo I think we've officially run out of good names for products. I suggest we start naming things like astronomers do. Lets call this one NGC 2607 or something like that.
RIFD tags?
I am a Windows user. I use DnD all the time. I typically find the file I want and either double click on it, or right-click and select Open-with, or DnD it to an app icon to open it.
Clearly you do not know everything about what Windows users do or don't do.
I'm done talking about this now. Have a nice day.
Nah, flakes and crumbs have negative connotations. We should just call them light chips (made with less oil).
Smaller chips are cooler than bigger chips (based on transistor size, all else being equal). They need less voltage to run because there is less distance for the signals to travel.
The heat problem is due to raising the clock at the same time and/or keeping the size the same but adding more transisitors (e.g. P4).
1) I regularly download things to the Desktop, both in Windows and OS X. It is a folder in the FS. I can open the .dmg or .zip file right there and run the app. I can leave it there is I want to. If it has an installer I run the installer and it puts things in the App menu/desktop/quicklaunch bar. This takes about 5 minutes to learn.
If users cannot figure at least this much out then they will continue to need some kind of admin/guru to help them until our OSes come with an AI to take on that role.
Clueless is clueless, no package system in the world will help that.
2) I disagree with your blanket statement that Windows users do not understand DnD. But maybe we just have different types of people in our clueless circles.
In my understanding 0install cannot totally replace some kind of dist package system because you at least need some basic things running in order to even get 0install. I also believe that things like apache that typically run as root or some priveleged user, or are not run on demand but at boot time are unlikely to be used via 0install.
Think about programs like Gnumeric, Gaim, Mozilla, Gimp. To run one of these you just find it and run it. One step (that typically requires root access) is skipped - installation.
That is basically it from the end user viewpoint. It is more secure because for these end-user type apps no root access is required. For apache or other system level applications/services root access is still required.
So Run it one time before you go on the trip! Same deal. Same download time.
Not Informative.
The OSS drivers are marked deprecated.
The OSS compatibility modules are not deprecated. They are what allows OSS-based apps to run in an ALSA environment.
He is not having problems with the OSS drivers.
What happens when the publisher of the app disappears? Wouldn't it become impossible to install the app?
The SAME thing that happens to deb/rpm/tgz apps when their publisher disappears. If there are no mirrors they go bye-bye.
But if you didn't have Internet access the first time you ran it, how would you run it at all? For 'normal' installation you need Internet access or a CD first. Same here.
???? Boggles the mind.
Do you normally run Apache like you would run Word, Gnumeric, Mozilla? No, you install it in a special way and it runs as a server. If you ran apache in the standard way or via 0install (not that you would) both would run with the same priveleges and any trojan would only have your privileges and could not damage the entire system or do anything that you could not do.
Yes, if you install programs in your own directories and run them then any app you run can delete or replace those programs. This has nothing to do with ROX or 0install. ROX and 0install are no different from any other linux/unix system in this regard.
1) There is nothing more insecure about 0Install than having someone download and run (or compile and run) software in their home directory. All the software runs as 'you', not root. If there is an exploitable hole when running as you then it is as easily exploitable with any other software as with 0Install.
2) If for some reason an Admin doesn't allow users to install and run their own software the Admin can run 0install on the system to provide users with the software (e.g. prime the cache).
3) What dangerous thing are you talking about? Running an app? That is what we're talking about here. Find an app on the net via 0install and run it. The act of running it is the same security risk as if you found a RPM/DEB and download/install it and run it.
There are currently 3 ways to do this:
/usr/bin/gimp
e.g. assume the app is in ~/Apps/Gimp-2.0
~/Apps/Gimp-2.0/AppRun
ln -s ~/Apps/Gimp-2.0/AppRun
or patch bash to understand AppDirs and just type
~/Apps/Gimp-2.0
No, you don't. There is no 'special Applications dir' to put things in. There isn't one on OS X either. Drag and drop to your desktop, home dir. anywhere you f-ing want. OR just run from the Internet as described above. There is nothing special and nothing you need to learn about the filesystem. Find it, optionally drag and drop somewhere local, and run it. done.
You are wrong about ROX and 0Install. Get over it.
Yeah, especially those people running Linux on a PPC or MIPS or other chip. 'Reading' those Windows drivers would be really useful.
Sorry for the sarcasm, but clearly you know not of what you speak.
I wonder what Real computer scientists have been working on.
It's not for Zooming. Its the first Digital Etch-A-Sketch!
Just shake it to erase.
Its Album of the Soundtrack, not Soundtrack of the Album you insensitive clod!
Sigh, alone again.
INTERVIEWER: We're all a bit stunned Mr. French about your claim that your latest film stars Marilyn Monroe.
FRENCH: Yes.
INTERVIEWER: Who died over 10 year ago.
FRENCH: That's correct.
INTERVIEWER: Are you lying?
FRENCH: No, no. Its just that she's very much in the public eye at the moment.
INTERVIEWER: What does Marilyn do in the film?
FRENCH: Oh, we have her lying on beds, lying on floors, falling out of cabinets, frightening the children...
INTERVIEWER: But surely Miss Monroe was cremated?
FRENCH: Uh. We had to use a stand-in for some of the more visible shots.
INTERVIEWER: Ah, another actress.
FRENCH: A dead actress. But Miss Monroe was in shot the whole time.
INTERVIEWER: How?
FRENCH: Oh, in an ashtray, in a vacuum cleaner, in a fire grate...
INTERVIEWER: So, Marilyn does not appear in the film?
FRENCH: N...Not as such.
INTERVIEWER: Mr. French, you're one of the film worlds most arrogant queens.
FRENCH: Well...yes.
INTERVIEWER: I mean not just gay or homosexual, a reall raving queen. A real 'whoops, get out, don't mind me' the limp wristed caricature.
FRENCH: Is that not in order?
INTERVIEWER: No, no, that's fine. And I also understand that you married the beautiful heiress Uwena Tannoy, partly for the publicity, but mostly to cover up the fact that you prefer going out with little boys.
FRENCH: What!?
INTERVIEWER: French you're an effeminate little pouf, a mincing gay-bar loiterer, a Winnet Common walking perfume shop, and an evil perverter of innocent little boys.
FRENCH: Really!? Is this part of the interview?
INTERVIEWER: No, I just wanted a few contacts. That's all.
FRENCH: What about the interview.
INTERVIEWER: Forget about the interview, we've been off the air for ages. Where'd you find them?
FRENCH: I think we really still are on the air.
INTERVIEWER: Oh, sod the fucking air! Please, just a few contacts.
FRENCH: We've got James Dean in it; in a box...
Here and I thought that I was the only one who bought (and memorized) The Album, of the Soundtrack, of the Trailer, of the Film, of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
I am not alone anymore.
OK, no more mushrooms for you. Or get a better sound card. Clearly 'badger, badger, badger' here.