Circuit Breaker, while I can share some of the same opinions you have just given. Sharepoint can go well past 7 versions. That's controlled at the server level on how far you want the system to go back. Sharepoint is a good tool for people that are microsoft/ms office centric. It works well, when implemented correctly. I have worked in multimode environments where we used TortoiseCVS and Sharepoint and everyone got what they wanted. I guess my only point is that just because it's a ms product it shouldn't mean that it's a total POS. You shouldn't want to consider putting together an environment that requires several tools to get the job done either...just sayin'...
All right, just because it's easy to put microsoft down and call them the evil empire doesn't mean that we should always do so. The simple truth is that sharepoint IS a good tool. It has version control and it's easy to manage permissions. I am by no stretch of the imagination a microsoft fan, but every once in awhile they DO make a product that works well and actually uses AD in useful manner. I know it's tough to get past a fundamentalist point of view (which is something you see on slashdot quite often) on not using microsoft. This is just counter productive in my humble opinion. I liken this matter to islamic and christian fundamentalists, they are just to stubborn to see the others point of view. Might as well be religion of computing...and it's really sad to see this coming from supposedly intelligent individuals in the technology industry.
What? I have no trouble finding fresh air -- and last time I was in the ocean it was clean as a whistle. (I did come away with a sun burn, but that's my own fault for not wearing sunscreen!)
You obviously don't live in LA, Dallas, Denver, Detroit or other heavily populated cities.
That's dangerous thinking -- Science is a vehicle for social evolution! With technology comes progress and change
When was the last time you saw any change in the way a society operates since the adoption of the internet? What did that change? From what I see, not much. It hasn't changed the way people act towards one another and it hasn't brought about the end of hunger, poverty or any other major crisis this planet is facing.
Even if the technology were applicable to humans (which, at present, it is not) would you actually suggest that it NOT be used?! Tell that to someone with a bad heart, kidney, etc.
In these cases, probably not. But what you fail to think about is where does this sort of advance lead to. That's all my point is. We don't sit around and think where these advances will lead to. Before you know it, we are going to end up creating something that WILL lead to the demise of the human species as we know it. And who knows, maybe that will be for the better.
Ok, I don't usually post much, but this issue and the comments posted over the past several pages have blown me away. When does it become apparent to scientist that maybe we shouldn't be trying to do these things? The population growth in industrialized nations had finally come to a point where the death rate and birth rate had become balanced. Population growth here in the US will grow only because of its immigration policy.
When we come across discoveries such as this, people (you, me and the rest of the people on this planet) need to seriously consider the affect this will have on the planet. We already pollute our air and oceans to points where there are days that we can't go outside for fresh air or take a dip in the ocean because the pollutants are so great that we would get sick.
My point is, we need to consider these changes and slow down. There's no need to stop researching and learning, hell that's what makes us human. But we MUST begin to consider the rate in which society evolves and how science pushes the envelope. Hell, most people don't give a crap about their own neighbor anymore and we want these people to live even longer? Until society advances, the medical break through such as these should be considered before they are pushed through. I'm sorry Larry Ellison, but humans were not meant to live forever...
Ok, so you don't have to like the Dutch, but understanding the outsourcing orgs themselves is important. I worked for an Indian outsourcing company that implemented Oracle and other ERP systems. You would be surprised at the loopholes they used to get cheap labor over here. They would improperly fill out the reason the person was coming over for and using B1 visas rather than H1's. They needed a few people form the local market to bring to client sites mostly for show it seemed and also to make sure that culturally they were able to fit in.
It was a lot cheaper to use the B1 since they were only supposed to be here for training and not working at client sites. This is something many of these offshore company's do to manage their costs. Even further, they would shack all of these B1 engineers in one house sometime 15 people in one 3 bedroom house. They were treated more like slave labor than anything else. I have since moved on from that company to better industry. After that experience, I would probably never consider working for another Indian company again.
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Circuit Breaker, while I can share some of the same opinions you have just given. Sharepoint can go well past 7 versions. That's controlled at the server level on how far you want the system to go back. Sharepoint is a good tool for people that are microsoft/ms office centric. It works well, when implemented correctly. I have worked in multimode environments where we used TortoiseCVS and Sharepoint and everyone got what they wanted. I guess my only point is that just because it's a ms product it shouldn't mean that it's a total POS. You shouldn't want to consider putting together an environment that requires several tools to get the job done either...just sayin'...
All right, just because it's easy to put microsoft down and call them the evil empire doesn't mean that we should always do so. The simple truth is that sharepoint IS a good tool. It has version control and it's easy to manage permissions. I am by no stretch of the imagination a microsoft fan, but every once in awhile they DO make a product that works well and actually uses AD in useful manner. I know it's tough to get past a fundamentalist point of view (which is something you see on slashdot quite often) on not using microsoft. This is just counter productive in my humble opinion. I liken this matter to islamic and christian fundamentalists, they are just to stubborn to see the others point of view. Might as well be religion of computing...and it's really sad to see this coming from supposedly intelligent individuals in the technology industry.
The only GUI I need is vi, thank you very much...
What? I have no trouble finding fresh air -- and last time I was in the ocean it was clean as a whistle. (I did come away with a sun burn, but that's my own fault for not wearing sunscreen!)
You obviously don't live in LA, Dallas, Denver, Detroit or other heavily populated cities.
That's dangerous thinking -- Science is a vehicle for social evolution! With technology comes progress and change
When was the last time you saw any change in the way a society operates since the adoption of the internet? What did that change? From what I see, not much. It hasn't changed the way people act towards one another and it hasn't brought about the end of hunger, poverty or any other major crisis this planet is facing.
Even if the technology were applicable to humans (which, at present, it is not) would you actually suggest that it NOT be used?! Tell that to someone with a bad heart, kidney, etc.
In these cases, probably not. But what you fail to think about is where does this sort of advance lead to. That's all my point is. We don't sit around and think where these advances will lead to. Before you know it, we are going to end up creating something that WILL lead to the demise of the human species as we know it. And who knows, maybe that will be for the better.
Ok, I don't usually post much, but this issue and the comments posted over the past several pages have blown me away. When does it become apparent to scientist that maybe we shouldn't be trying to do these things? The population growth in industrialized nations had finally come to a point where the death rate and birth rate had become balanced. Population growth here in the US will grow only because of its immigration policy. When we come across discoveries such as this, people (you, me and the rest of the people on this planet) need to seriously consider the affect this will have on the planet. We already pollute our air and oceans to points where there are days that we can't go outside for fresh air or take a dip in the ocean because the pollutants are so great that we would get sick. My point is, we need to consider these changes and slow down. There's no need to stop researching and learning, hell that's what makes us human. But we MUST begin to consider the rate in which society evolves and how science pushes the envelope. Hell, most people don't give a crap about their own neighbor anymore and we want these people to live even longer? Until society advances, the medical break through such as these should be considered before they are pushed through. I'm sorry Larry Ellison, but humans were not meant to live forever...
Ok, so you don't have to like the Dutch, but understanding the outsourcing orgs themselves is important. I worked for an Indian outsourcing company that implemented Oracle and other ERP systems. You would be surprised at the loopholes they used to get cheap labor over here. They would improperly fill out the reason the person was coming over for and using B1 visas rather than H1's. They needed a few people form the local market to bring to client sites mostly for show it seemed and also to make sure that culturally they were able to fit in. It was a lot cheaper to use the B1 since they were only supposed to be here for training and not working at client sites. This is something many of these offshore company's do to manage their costs. Even further, they would shack all of these B1 engineers in one house sometime 15 people in one 3 bedroom house. They were treated more like slave labor than anything else. I have since moved on from that company to better industry. After that experience, I would probably never consider working for another Indian company again.
Or he forgot to do his laundry Elizabeth, I'm coming! - Fred Sanford
Nuff said? I really enjoyed the part where he used to much energy and the projectile burnt up before it left the rail...
We can always see if the Hulk is still available.
Of course, if they didn't they'd have a riot on their hands...