i personally don't use a gui for web page editing (i am currently using bbedit) but "the gimp surpasses photoshop in quality" is your opinion, but when i have been working with industry standard tools for years and have all the freedom i need to do anything i want in photoshop (because i know how to use it correctly) why should i switch? and how exactly does GIMP surpass photoshop in quality? does it provide an easy image slicing tools like imageready? or image optimization that is superiour to imageready (since you yourselfg said it surpassed photoshop it would have to be better to get me to give it a chance). does it support actions or photoshop plugins? All of these are honest questions because when i tried using it once none of these things were apparent to me. it seemed a bit like Paint Shop Pro to me. Like a program that looks like it can compete with photoshop to someone that doesn't really know how to use the photoshop.
lots of code written to run on windows web servers (even the win32 version of apache) needs to be rewritten to run on the production unix server because of locations of libraries, stuff that's not ported, etc... (i guess some of this could be overcame with cygwin, but...)
also in linux you don't get photoshop, or perhaps other commercial tools that most web developers are familiar with. lots of web developers are also stuck with design assignments mixed in with the development, so it's a good idea to have solid graphical tools.
the mac you get both a stable and compatible unix environment, and industry standard graphic design tools.
This is the exact reason why i bought myself an iBook, and I don't regret it a bit.
sorry for therepost. i really need to change the default formatting away from "HTML Formatted".
while it may be the right thing to do, I, among many other people do not wish to inconvenience ourselves in order to perpetuate the morals.
I am running ximian gnome on my xp/debian box, and while it is nice, it's still a bit rough on the edges. things need to be a bit more comfortable to windows users (the users that should switch to something that is not pro-palladium). Copy/paste and resolution switching are 2 complaints i see alot on slashdot, and they have become standard wintroll arguments, but there is some validity to them. copy and paste do not work consistently among all applications. in some applications all that needs to be done to copy is to select the text, and then click the middle mouse button to paste it somewhere else, but then there are times that i get a URL in my email copy the text, fire up mozilla, select the text in the URL box to delete it, and all of a sudden my text copied from the email is gone from the clipboard, and now I have the URL copied from mozilla's URL box. quite annoying, that. While i know what's going on and how to get around it, the normal user will give up after a few tries and ask his geek brother in law to put windows back on his computer because "this leenooks thing doesn't work right". And then when i want to switch resolution, it's ewasy to do with a keyboard shortcut, but when i do that it just changes the displayed resolution, not the desktop dimensions, so you get that "slip sliding desktop" effect that is not too intuitive. also a consistent gui would help ease the transition (redhat's new beta is making great strides in that area).
I also fell in love with UNIX and for quite a while i just ignored the inconveniences of xfree86 (cuz that's all i am really saying is wrong with linux on the desktop anyway), however i do not have the programing skills, or motivation to go and correct these issues myself. I really did try to give desktop linux a chance, and i may try it out again after it has matured a few more years, and maybe someday it will match OS X in usability.
We are in agreement on almost all points brought up in your posts except that xfree86 is not really ready for prime time, and i think more realistically about the average person's will to inconvenience themselves with xfree86's shortcomings just to keep their computer palladium-free. most people don't even know what palladium is, and with the spin microsoft has put on it it looks almost good for the users. And the users that htink it looks good are not the type to read about it here, or anywhere else. they are your mom, or my niece, or my brother in law that just want to use thier computers for light web surfing and music downloading. and these kinds of people will be affected the most, but care the least, and if every knowledgeable geek converted over to linux despite it's desktop ineptness, the real world won't even notice.
while it may be the right thing to do, I, among many other people do not wish to inconvenience ourselves in order to perpetuate the morals.
I am running ximian gnome on my xp/debian box, and while it is nice, it's still a bit rough on the edges. things need to be a bit more comfortable to windows users (the users that should switch to something that is not pro-palladium). Copy/paste and resolution switching are 2 complaints i see alot on slashdot, and they have become standard wintroll arguments, but there is some validity to them. copy and paste do not work consistently among all applications. in some applications all that needs to be done to copy is to select the text, and then click the middle mouse button to paste it somewhere else, but then there are times that i get a URL in my email copy the text, fire up mozilla, select the text in the URL box, and all of a sudden my text copied from the email is gone from the clipboard, and now I have the URL copied from mozilla's URL box. quite annoying, that. And then when i want to switch resolution, it's ewasy to do with a keyboard shortcut, but when i do that it just changes the displayed resolution, not the desktop dimensions, so you get that "slip sliding desktop" effect that is not too intuitive. also a consistent gui would help ease the transition (redhat's new beta is making great strides in that area).
I also fell in love with UNIX and for quite a while i just ignored the inconveniences of xfree86 (cuz that's all i am really saying is wrong with linux on the desktop anyway), however i do not have the programing skills, or motivation to go and correct these issues myself. I really did try to give desktop linux a chance, and i may try it out again after it has matured a few more years, and maybe someday it will match OS X in usability.
We are in agreement on almost all points brought up in your posts except that xfree86 is not really ready for prime time, and i think more realistically about the average person's will to inconvenience themselves with xfree86's shortcomings just to keep their computer palladium-free. most people don't even know what palladium is, and with the spin microsoft has put on it it looks almost good for the users. And the users that htink it looks good are not the type to read about it here, or anywhere else. they are your mom, or my niece, or my brother in law that just want to use thier computers for light web surfing and music downloading. and these kinds of people will be affected the most, but care the least, and if every knowledgeable geek converted over to linux despite it's desktop ineptness, the real world won't even notice.
it is emulation. you are however not emulating Mac OS X, you are emulating a macintosh machine. hardware emulation is still emulation. don't believe me? put mac os x in MOL and look at the apple system profiler. it is not a list of hardware that you have installed, it is a list ofh ardware that MOL is EMULATING. the mac os is not being emulated, but the hardware that it is running on IS being emulated.
Dictionary.com: 3. Computer Science. To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system.
my question was not answered. the guy originally posted "CHOOSE linux and you will avoid palladium" basically. It gets really old when you look at slashdot and see people saying "CHOOSE linux" whenever there is a flaw with what they are currently using. And when someone talks about palladium, someone always says "CHOOSE linux". well, why? if palladium is at the hardware level how will linuxhelp me avoid it? won't the law force it upon linux? "CHOOSE not to upgrade to the latest hardware" you say? well i could do that and stick with a non palladium version of windows too. what's the difference? I don't use software because of the philosophy behind it, I use windows because it is extrememely easy to pirate the software for it. Sure, everything in linuxland is free anyway, but most of it just doesn't work for me. And I have tried to make it work, on and off for the past 4 years I have tried to be a linux desktop user. It just isn't happenening. No photoshop? dealkiller right there (don't even mention that toy GIMP). BTW I am a linux admin at work, so I do not have anything against using linux where it belongs. I would never CHOOSE to run a microsoft machine in our server room!
Anyway my point is that I am an educated person, I know a little bit about how things work, but I don't see how "CHOOSING linux" will get me away from palladium, when the warez crackers will help me avoid it without having to switch to an inferior desktop platform.
Now if microsoft could just work out that security thing... they have the programming tools down, contrary to popular belief, I feel that they have the interface design thing down, they've got the stability thing down, windows xp runs great for me, only hiccup was some bad RAM. Seriously folks, I don't think I am gonna convert anyone with this diatribe, but maybe all the "CHOOSE linux" people will read it and stop wondering why people are satisfied to "CHOOSE microsoft" even when they are an "evil corporation".
Disclaimer: I bought a mac 2 months ago and really haven't touched my windows xp/debian machine since.
you can CHOOSE not to upgrade to a palladium enabled version of windows. you can CHOOSE to use open source software with windows. the only thing you really can't CHOOSE with windows is to view/modify it's source code or uninstall internet explorer (however you can CHOOSE to install any other browser and use it as the default browser if you are so inclined).
I am not a wintroll, but using windows does not restrict your choice that much. btw, you can CHOOSE to not install software with eula's you don't agree with or you can simply CHOOSE to ignore the eula.
MS is pretty powerful but do you really think that palladium is even gonna make a dent?
Motherboard manufacturers enabled ACPI features on most of thier motherboards. microsoft wrote a very buggy implementation of ACPI for windows, and released a technote to motherboard manufacturers to fix thier ACPI stuff to work with windows, however motherboard manufacturers ignored it. What makes you think the motherboard manufacturers are going to build palladiums features in when they won't even build in features to help microsoft crush a few bugs in thier bad code.
think clearly for a moment. how is palladium going to work anyway? there is always an analog hole, and besides, it's just gonna get cracked by the warez d00dz within 3 days of it's commercial debut anyway. (if it even has a commercial debut, which i doubt)
ok,... cya karma!
it does not matter what they were using the profit for (to continue the existence of the site) they were using the site to get money. plain and simple. only a few sites were even contacted by MLB, and ofd those, ALL of them were using cafepress to sell unauthorized merchandise.
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yeah it sure was hard work killing all those natives and tealing thier land and building our houes there, and sending them to live in indian reservations in exile. We earned out way of life, you betcha
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and where do you want this war to occur? against who? we don't even really know if it was that bin laden fool. sure we like to think we do, but he never out and out said he did it. there is no proof it was orchestrated by him. and besides, what nation does he associate himself with. kind of hard to fight a war against a phantom.
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in regular slashdot tradition I must nitpick
ok, here comes spoilers so if you give a rats ass, yadayadayada
Ok so he takes the shit to somalia. did he forget that when you are "infected" you have to eat 5 cheeseburgers and a box of krispykremes every fucking day? part of the reason life sucks in somalia is the lack of food and malnutrition.
sure he can cure them, but where is he going to find the amount of food to make it work? he didn't bring it with him, since all he has is a laptop.
i think you don't understand what "fair use" means. fair use refers to the right you have to make copies of copyrighted material, not the right to violate licence agreements.
seriously, just aobut anyone here at slashdot could kill someoneone and find some way to say that it was in thier fair use rights
i am actuyally living in sweden, however, I have been to germany and seen many md players in shops, lots of people on the trains i was riding on had them, and all of my friends there had them too. I mentioned germany because they are the most populated country in europe.
Now, as for sweden I have noticed just as many md players as in germany. sure it's not a ratio of 1:1 with cd players, but it definitely is with cassettes and mp3 players, which it is positioned against, not CDs.
I always think it is funny wathcing american movies that take place in the not-to-distant future and they all use MDs as data storage:)
but anyway, i am niether german, nor swedish, nor even european. I am an american travelling europe.
ok, first i don't understand how this is informative, unless informative applies to him informing us of his opinion... then i guess all of the posts on slashdot should be modded informative.
Anyway... it's not informative. It's just plain wrong. If you do not support software licenses, release your software without a license, no GPL, no BSD, no license whatsoever. oh wait, you can't do that because you want to retail even a little bot of control over your work? what makes you any different than apple? sure thier control is of a different style (restricting what hardware the application will work on) than the GPL (restricting (yes, the GPL has RESTRICTIONS) on what you can and can't do with the source code/binaries.)
you can't have it both ways. if you are against software licenses then you are against the GPL in itself.
iDVD is an application that comes bundled with apple SuperDrives. It is not freely available (update patches are, but the actual application is not).
Wether or not you think apple should open it up to work with other DVD burners is irrelevant. Apple worte the software, bundled it with thier DVD burners, and sold it.
The only people who would have access to iDVD besides the people who bought a superdrive are the people who pirated it or people who used to have a superdrive, but now use another burner.
Apple put into the license agreement that you can only use the software on apple approved (read superdrive) dvd burners. Any other usage of the software is against the license agreement.
Everyone here cries foul when someone violates the GPL, and no one chastises the author of the software for it (recent xvid fiasco) but if it's another license, whoooo boy, watch out. the hypocricy comes out to play!
well you could get technical in either way, ok, the US is the same, the forwarding is handled by the price of the stamp. or you could say that in the UK the forwarding is free. either way the result is the same, you initially pay for the stamp, for the forwarding to happen you needn't pay again. same fucking thing.
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i personally don't use a gui for web page editing (i am currently using bbedit) but "the gimp surpasses photoshop in quality" is your opinion, but when i have been working with industry standard tools for years and have all the freedom i need to do anything i want in photoshop (because i know how to use it correctly) why should i switch? and how exactly does GIMP surpass photoshop in quality? does it provide an easy image slicing tools like imageready? or image optimization that is superiour to imageready (since you yourselfg said it surpassed photoshop it would have to be better to get me to give it a chance). does it support actions or photoshop plugins? All of these are honest questions because when i tried using it once none of these things were apparent to me. it seemed a bit like Paint Shop Pro to me. Like a program that looks like it can compete with photoshop to someone that doesn't really know how to use the photoshop.
lots of code written to run on windows web servers (even the win32 version of apache) needs to be rewritten to run on the production unix server because of locations of libraries, stuff that's not ported, etc... (i guess some of this could be overcame with cygwin, but...)
also in linux you don't get photoshop, or perhaps other commercial tools that most web developers are familiar with. lots of web developers are also stuck with design assignments mixed in with the development, so it's a good idea to have solid graphical tools.
the mac you get both a stable and compatible unix environment, and industry standard graphic design tools.
This is the exact reason why i bought myself an iBook, and I don't regret it a bit.
sorry for therepost. i really need to change the default formatting away from "HTML Formatted".
while it may be the right thing to do, I, among many other people do not wish to inconvenience ourselves in order to perpetuate the morals.
I am running ximian gnome on my xp/debian box, and while it is nice, it's still a bit rough on the edges. things need to be a bit more comfortable to windows users (the users that should switch to something that is not pro-palladium). Copy/paste and resolution switching are 2 complaints i see alot on slashdot, and they have become standard wintroll arguments, but there is some validity to them. copy and paste do not work consistently among all applications. in some applications all that needs to be done to copy is to select the text, and then click the middle mouse button to paste it somewhere else, but then there are times that i get a URL in my email copy the text, fire up mozilla, select the text in the URL box to delete it, and all of a sudden my text copied from the email is gone from the clipboard, and now I have the URL copied from mozilla's URL box. quite annoying, that. While i know what's going on and how to get around it, the normal user will give up after a few tries and ask his geek brother in law to put windows back on his computer because "this leenooks thing doesn't work right". And then when i want to switch resolution, it's ewasy to do with a keyboard shortcut, but when i do that it just changes the displayed resolution, not the desktop dimensions, so you get that "slip sliding desktop" effect that is not too intuitive. also a consistent gui would help ease the transition (redhat's new beta is making great strides in that area).
I also fell in love with UNIX and for quite a while i just ignored the inconveniences of xfree86 (cuz that's all i am really saying is wrong with linux on the desktop anyway), however i do not have the programing skills, or motivation to go and correct these issues myself. I really did try to give desktop linux a chance, and i may try it out again after it has matured a few more years, and maybe someday it will match OS X in usability.
We are in agreement on almost all points brought up in your posts except that xfree86 is not really ready for prime time, and i think more realistically about the average person's will to inconvenience themselves with xfree86's shortcomings just to keep their computer palladium-free. most people don't even know what palladium is, and with the spin microsoft has put on it it looks almost good for the users. And the users that htink it looks good are not the type to read about it here, or anywhere else. they are your mom, or my niece, or my brother in law that just want to use thier computers for light web surfing and music downloading. and these kinds of people will be affected the most, but care the least, and if every knowledgeable geek converted over to linux despite it's desktop ineptness, the real world won't even notice.
while it may be the right thing to do, I, among many other people do not wish to inconvenience ourselves in order to perpetuate the morals. I am running ximian gnome on my xp/debian box, and while it is nice, it's still a bit rough on the edges. things need to be a bit more comfortable to windows users (the users that should switch to something that is not pro-palladium). Copy/paste and resolution switching are 2 complaints i see alot on slashdot, and they have become standard wintroll arguments, but there is some validity to them. copy and paste do not work consistently among all applications. in some applications all that needs to be done to copy is to select the text, and then click the middle mouse button to paste it somewhere else, but then there are times that i get a URL in my email copy the text, fire up mozilla, select the text in the URL box, and all of a sudden my text copied from the email is gone from the clipboard, and now I have the URL copied from mozilla's URL box. quite annoying, that. And then when i want to switch resolution, it's ewasy to do with a keyboard shortcut, but when i do that it just changes the displayed resolution, not the desktop dimensions, so you get that "slip sliding desktop" effect that is not too intuitive. also a consistent gui would help ease the transition (redhat's new beta is making great strides in that area). I also fell in love with UNIX and for quite a while i just ignored the inconveniences of xfree86 (cuz that's all i am really saying is wrong with linux on the desktop anyway), however i do not have the programing skills, or motivation to go and correct these issues myself. I really did try to give desktop linux a chance, and i may try it out again after it has matured a few more years, and maybe someday it will match OS X in usability. We are in agreement on almost all points brought up in your posts except that xfree86 is not really ready for prime time, and i think more realistically about the average person's will to inconvenience themselves with xfree86's shortcomings just to keep their computer palladium-free. most people don't even know what palladium is, and with the spin microsoft has put on it it looks almost good for the users. And the users that htink it looks good are not the type to read about it here, or anywhere else. they are your mom, or my niece, or my brother in law that just want to use thier computers for light web surfing and music downloading. and these kinds of people will be affected the most, but care the least, and if every knowledgeable geek converted over to linux despite it's desktop ineptness, the real world won't even notice.
he clearly said he was homosexual, wouldn't be be perusing old scans of playGIRL?
it is emulation. you are however not emulating Mac OS X, you are emulating a macintosh machine. hardware emulation is still emulation. don't believe me? put mac os x in MOL and look at the apple system profiler. it is not a list of hardware that you have installed, it is a list ofh ardware that MOL is EMULATING. the mac os is not being emulated, but the hardware that it is running on IS being emulated.
Dictionary.com:
3. Computer Science. To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system.
my question was not answered. the guy originally posted "CHOOSE linux and you will avoid palladium" basically. It gets really old when you look at slashdot and see people saying "CHOOSE linux" whenever there is a flaw with what they are currently using. And when someone talks about palladium, someone always says "CHOOSE linux". well, why? if palladium is at the hardware level how will linuxhelp me avoid it? won't the law force it upon linux? "CHOOSE not to upgrade to the latest hardware" you say? well i could do that and stick with a non palladium version of windows too. what's the difference? I don't use software because of the philosophy behind it, I use windows because it is extrememely easy to pirate the software for it. Sure, everything in linuxland is free anyway, but most of it just doesn't work for me. And I have tried to make it work, on and off for the past 4 years I have tried to be a linux desktop user. It just isn't happenening. No photoshop? dealkiller right there (don't even mention that toy GIMP). BTW I am a linux admin at work, so I do not have anything against using linux where it belongs. I would never CHOOSE to run a microsoft machine in our server room!
Anyway my point is that I am an educated person, I know a little bit about how things work, but I don't see how "CHOOSING linux" will get me away from palladium, when the warez crackers will help me avoid it without having to switch to an inferior desktop platform.
Now if microsoft could just work out that security thing... they have the programming tools down, contrary to popular belief, I feel that they have the interface design thing down, they've got the stability thing down, windows xp runs great for me, only hiccup was some bad RAM. Seriously folks, I don't think I am gonna convert anyone with this diatribe, but maybe all the "CHOOSE linux" people will read it and stop wondering why people are satisfied to "CHOOSE microsoft" even when they are an "evil corporation".
Disclaimer: I bought a mac 2 months ago and really haven't touched my windows xp/debian machine since.
well if it is as grim as the picture you paint, how is linux the answer? if laws come down that it has to be used, how does CHOOSING linux help?
you can CHOOSE not to upgrade to a palladium enabled version of windows. you can CHOOSE to use open source software with windows. the only thing you really can't CHOOSE with windows is to view/modify it's source code or uninstall internet explorer (however you can CHOOSE to install any other browser and use it as the default browser if you are so inclined). I am not a wintroll, but using windows does not restrict your choice that much. btw, you can CHOOSE to not install software with eula's you don't agree with or you can simply CHOOSE to ignore the eula. MS is pretty powerful but do you really think that palladium is even gonna make a dent? Motherboard manufacturers enabled ACPI features on most of thier motherboards. microsoft wrote a very buggy implementation of ACPI for windows, and released a technote to motherboard manufacturers to fix thier ACPI stuff to work with windows, however motherboard manufacturers ignored it. What makes you think the motherboard manufacturers are going to build palladiums features in when they won't even build in features to help microsoft crush a few bugs in thier bad code. think clearly for a moment. how is palladium going to work anyway? there is always an analog hole, and besides, it's just gonna get cracked by the warez d00dz within 3 days of it's commercial debut anyway. (if it even has a commercial debut, which i doubt) ok, ... cya karma!
apple should have originally sued watson for taking the look & feel of sherlock
it does not matter what they were using the profit for (to continue the existence of the site) they were using the site to get money. plain and simple. only a few sites were even contacted by MLB, and ofd those, ALL of them were using cafepress to sell unauthorized merchandise.
yeah it sure was hard work killing all those natives and tealing thier land and building our houes there, and sending them to live in indian reservations in exile. We earned out way of life, you betcha
and where do you want this war to occur? against who? we don't even really know if it was that bin laden fool. sure we like to think we do, but he never out and out said he did it. there is no proof it was orchestrated by him. and besides, what nation does he associate himself with. kind of hard to fight a war against a phantom.
in regular slashdot tradition I must nitpick
ok, here comes spoilers so if you give a rats ass, yadayadayada
Ok so he takes the shit to somalia. did he forget that when you are "infected" you have to eat 5 cheeseburgers and a box of krispykremes every fucking day? part of the reason life sucks in somalia is the lack of food and malnutrition.
sure he can cure them, but where is he going to find the amount of food to make it work? he didn't bring it with him, since all he has is a laptop.
i think you don't understand what "fair use" means. fair use refers to the right you have to make copies of copyrighted material, not the right to violate licence agreements. seriously, just aobut anyone here at slashdot could kill someoneone and find some way to say that it was in thier fair use rights
i am actuyally living in sweden, however, I have been to germany and seen many md players in shops, lots of people on the trains i was riding on had them, and all of my friends there had them too. I mentioned germany because they are the most populated country in europe. Now, as for sweden I have noticed just as many md players as in germany. sure it's not a ratio of 1:1 with cd players, but it definitely is with cassettes and mp3 players, which it is positioned against, not CDs. I always think it is funny wathcing american movies that take place in the not-to-distant future and they all use MDs as data storage :)
but anyway, i am niether german, nor swedish, nor even european. I am an american travelling europe.
ok, first i don't understand how this is informative, unless informative applies to him informing us of his opinion... then i guess all of the posts on slashdot should be modded informative.
Anyway... it's not informative. It's just plain wrong. If you do not support software licenses, release your software without a license, no GPL, no BSD, no license whatsoever. oh wait, you can't do that because you want to retail even a little bot of control over your work? what makes you any different than apple? sure thier control is of a different style (restricting what hardware the application will work on) than the GPL (restricting (yes, the GPL has RESTRICTIONS) on what you can and can't do with the source code/binaries.)
you can't have it both ways. if you are against software licenses then you are against the GPL in itself.
iDVD is an application that comes bundled with apple SuperDrives. It is not freely available (update patches are, but the actual application is not).
Wether or not you think apple should open it up to work with other DVD burners is irrelevant. Apple worte the software, bundled it with thier DVD burners, and sold it.
The only people who would have access to iDVD besides the people who bought a superdrive are the people who pirated it or people who used to have a superdrive, but now use another burner.
Apple put into the license agreement that you can only use the software on apple approved (read superdrive) dvd burners. Any other usage of the software is against the license agreement.
Everyone here cries foul when someone violates the GPL, and no one chastises the author of the software for it (recent xvid fiasco) but if it's another license, whoooo boy, watch out. the hypocricy comes out to play!
300 kroner ($27) a month for 10mbit in sweden.
well you could get technical in either way, ok, the US is the same, the forwarding is handled by the price of the stamp. or you could say that in the UK the forwarding is free. either way the result is the same, you initially pay for the stamp, for the forwarding to happen you needn't pay again. same fucking thing.
funny. i have been using hotmail for over a year however i have not seen a single banner ad, or even seen the website!
MS Entourage (for mac)
Outlook 2002 or Outlook Express 6 (for win32)
Those programs allow you to use hotmail as if it were an IMAP service. No ads, no bullshit, just mail.
hotmail starts bouncing the messages once you reach your 1 meg quota unless you pay for premium service.
Its too bad that hotmail dont filter known spammers but theres probably legal issues behind mass-blocking the known spammers. :\
Hotmail does have a junk mail filter. it is not very good, but it does catch alot of junk mail.
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THE END!!! How well tested it it?
5.8.5 is really 5.8.5.0
there will always be a zero at the end. your logic is flawed.
i imagine the price is going to go down a bit on ebay if these things actually get produced