It's a chicken-and-egg problem, and in this case the advertising definitely came first. Players didn't start demanding more money until advertisers started getting involved; it's not like the horrible ol' player's union went to the owners and forced them to make an alliance with Gatorade and Nike to be able to meet the players' demands. The reason the players are overpaid is because advertising pays so damn much, and the players take take their cut of that revenue. Or would you prefer it all went to the owners?
Do you also begrudge A-list actors making $20 million per film? Shit, movies are increasingly becoming nothing but a 90 minute product placement. (Thanks Apple and GM)
Congratulations! You're one of the lucky ones on the positive side of the bell curve! But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are stuck on the bad side of the curve.
Do you understand the difference between an individual outcome and "statistics"?
And on top of that, listening to the anti-union rhetoric is almost like listening to anti-evolution rhetoric. It's clear in both cases that the anti-Xer has a very limited grasp of what the thing they're complaining about actually is.
If you think you have the same bargaining power as an employer does -- particularly in a time of high unemployment -- you're delusional. You are not as special and irreplaceable as you probably think you are.
Ever heard the term "growing pains"? In the 8th and 9th grade, I was unable to run and barely able to walk without pain for months at a time. It effectively ended my track 'career', where I had previously qualified for the junior Olympics and multiple state-level competitions.
"Without at any point losing functionality" my ass. At best you can guarantee "a usable failure mode of operation".
Not really sure why you think it's the same. There are a lot of eyes on the Cyanogen source; there are no eyes on Motorola's crap.
Obviously if you haven't personally inspected every line of code you can't be 100% sure that something nefarious isn't going on, but to paint the two situations of "Motorola's code inspected only by Motorola's couple dozen devs (who obviously have NO conflicts of interest in reporting nefarious activity)" vs "Cyanogen's code inspected by thousands of users who owe no loyalty to anybody" as functionally identical is completely disingenuous, if not downright stupid.
Yeah, and "I will run out of money eventually". Which is why I keep working to prevent that from happening, rather than sitting around doing nothing and waiting for it to happen and then reacting to the fact that I no longer have any money.
It's almost like you don't even *have* any valid criticisms of Android anymore and instead resort to name calling.
Many of us can tell you *exactly* what issues we have with Apple and iOS, but none of them come down to the "ur dumb" arguments that seem to be your forte.
Sounds like the voters in your union that approved that agreement were dumbasses. Either that, or you're leaving out a lot of other details to make it sound like an absolutely terrible contract.
Somehow, growing up, my dad made more money, had health insurance and other benefits, and actual vacation and sick leave when working for a union. When doing the *exact same work* for a non-union shop. the owners seemed to be the only ones making any money.
But yeah, sure, unions are always *teh evilz*! Don't let that conservative-manufactured boogeyman get you!
And a conservative might say the same thing about the "liberal-leaning" MSM stations. Both of you are "right", or "wrong".
And the conservative would be far less "right" than the liberal would be. This stuff has been quantified repeatedly: people who watch Fox News are far less informed about nearly everything, because the station does a horrible job of actually informing their viewers of anything objectively, and because people who primarily watch Fox News don't do a very good job of exposing themselves to other voices that might actually tell them what's happening in the world. They prefer to stay in their own small echo chamber and then accuse everybody else of being in a very large echo chamber.
Yes, there is at least some bias in everything you read. No, not everything you read has an equal amount of bias.
The "legitimate rape" thing was completely blown out of proportion. It was a non-issue that was taken completely out of context to whip morons into a frenzy. I'd have never voted for the guy but it was really obvious what he meant, but instead it was used to churn up the media circus drivel instead of actually focusing on issues. To deliberately misinterpret and misrepresent what someone said to score cheap political points instead of refuting what the guy actually meant (which was still *wrong*, but it could have been dealt with in an intelligent manner instead of what happened) was pathetic pandering and liberal voters ate it up.
The response by democrats to that comment made me pretty ashamed. You can't be intellectually dishonest and also claim to have the moral high ground.
I think the problem was the opposite: given the hype, people expected this to be on par with the xbox one or xbox 360 at least.
Sadly, you can't really account for clueless idiots. Just like all the idiots that whined about the Wii's graphics compared to the PS3 and 360 -- and ignored the fact that the Wii cost half as much.
Are you really making the argument that a can of PBR is more nutritious than an apple? I'm just going to file this one away as a poor attempt at devil's advocacy because I can't believe that anyone would honestly buy that.
Phillips screws are suitable for things that are screwed together once, and are never intended to be unscrewed again. Anything beyond that risks a stuck screw because the head's been stripped.
So let me get this straight -- are you putting forth the argument that Apple chose to use pentalobe screws for their customers' convenience? That they wanted to ensure that the heads wouldn't be stripped by the frequent screwing/unscrewing that they could expect?
Because if not, this sentence is just a red herring that adds nothing to the discussion.
The rest of your thoughts on the subject are just more evasion.
You must be somewhat mathematically challenged, because even if you and Apple are right, targeting a subset of 75% of the market is still better than targeting nearly all of 17% of the market.
I have to admit that I'm experiencing some glee in seeing Apple's marketshare numbers fall just as I'd predicted years ago. I don't care that Apple exists; they're just way too much of a bully to be trusted with a dominant marketshare. It's also very amusing to see the moving goalpost reasons provided by Apple fanbois about why iOS is so much better than Android.
In other words, as the user of an iOS device that is no longer supported, you can expect the market to leave you behind in a few months, rather than a few years.
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It's a chicken-and-egg problem, and in this case the advertising definitely came first. Players didn't start demanding more money until advertisers started getting involved; it's not like the horrible ol' player's union went to the owners and forced them to make an alliance with Gatorade and Nike to be able to meet the players' demands. The reason the players are overpaid is because advertising pays so damn much, and the players take take their cut of that revenue. Or would you prefer it all went to the owners?
Do you also begrudge A-list actors making $20 million per film? Shit, movies are increasingly becoming nothing but a 90 minute product placement. (Thanks Apple and GM)
--Jeremy
Congratulations! You're one of the lucky ones on the positive side of the bell curve! But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are stuck on the bad side of the curve.
Do you understand the difference between an individual outcome and "statistics"?
--Jeremy
And on top of that, listening to the anti-union rhetoric is almost like listening to anti-evolution rhetoric. It's clear in both cases that the anti-Xer has a very limited grasp of what the thing they're complaining about actually is.
--Jeremy
If you think you have the same bargaining power as an employer does -- particularly in a time of high unemployment -- you're delusional. You are not as special and irreplaceable as you probably think you are.
--Jeremy
The problem with unions is they view a worker as a clone of every other worker.
And businesses don't try to do this themselves whenever they can possibly get away with it?
Sorry, I quit reading your post after that bit of 'insight'.
--Jeremy
Such a thoroughly-researched and well-sourced argument! You've totally convinced me with your two-sentence deconstruction of unions!
--Jeremy
without at any point losing functionality
Ever heard the term "growing pains"? In the 8th and 9th grade, I was unable to run and barely able to walk without pain for months at a time. It effectively ended my track 'career', where I had previously qualified for the junior Olympics and multiple state-level competitions.
"Without at any point losing functionality" my ass. At best you can guarantee "a usable failure mode of operation".
--Jeremy
Not really sure why you think its different.
Not really sure why you think it's the same. There are a lot of eyes on the Cyanogen source; there are no eyes on Motorola's crap.
Obviously if you haven't personally inspected every line of code you can't be 100% sure that something nefarious isn't going on, but to paint the two situations of "Motorola's code inspected only by Motorola's couple dozen devs (who obviously have NO conflicts of interest in reporting nefarious activity)" vs "Cyanogen's code inspected by thousands of users who owe no loyalty to anybody" as functionally identical is completely disingenuous, if not downright stupid.
--Jeremy
Yeah, and "I will run out of money eventually". Which is why I keep working to prevent that from happening, rather than sitting around doing nothing and waiting for it to happen and then reacting to the fact that I no longer have any money.
--Jeremy
Herp derp. Such insight.
It's almost like you don't even *have* any valid criticisms of Android anymore and instead resort to name calling.
Many of us can tell you *exactly* what issues we have with Apple and iOS, but none of them come down to the "ur dumb" arguments that seem to be your forte.
--Jeremy
So it's impossible to create a single game that works on both Android phones and Android console?
As much as I'm sure you'd love that to be true, it isn't. The only thing necessary is to make sure your control schemes support both.
--Jeremy
Sounds like the voters in your union that approved that agreement were dumbasses. Either that, or you're leaving out a lot of other details to make it sound like an absolutely terrible contract.
--Jeremy
Somehow, growing up, my dad made more money, had health insurance and other benefits, and actual vacation and sick leave when working for a union. When doing the *exact same work* for a non-union shop. the owners seemed to be the only ones making any money.
But yeah, sure, unions are always *teh evilz*! Don't let that conservative-manufactured boogeyman get you!
--Jeremy
And a conservative might say the same thing about the "liberal-leaning" MSM stations. Both of you are "right", or "wrong".
And the conservative would be far less "right" than the liberal would be. This stuff has been quantified repeatedly: people who watch Fox News are far less informed about nearly everything, because the station does a horrible job of actually informing their viewers of anything objectively, and because people who primarily watch Fox News don't do a very good job of exposing themselves to other voices that might actually tell them what's happening in the world. They prefer to stay in their own small echo chamber and then accuse everybody else of being in a very large echo chamber.
Yes, there is at least some bias in everything you read. No, not everything you read has an equal amount of bias.
--Jeremy
so I could be spouting bullshit
Yup, you are.
--Jeremy
Then again, why the hell are you bringing the Touch into this when we are talking about Apple TV?
Why the hell are you bringing Apple TV into this when the topic of discussion is the Ouya?
--Jeremy
Wow. What an insight. I'm going to re-think my entire worldview because of that bit of wisdom.
Do you honestly think that that is a useful 'observation'? Do you think you've actually contributed something to the discussion with this?
--Jeremy
The "legitimate rape" thing was completely blown out of proportion. It was a non-issue that was taken completely out of context to whip morons into a frenzy. I'd have never voted for the guy but it was really obvious what he meant, but instead it was used to churn up the media circus drivel instead of actually focusing on issues. To deliberately misinterpret and misrepresent what someone said to score cheap political points instead of refuting what the guy actually meant (which was still *wrong*, but it could have been dealt with in an intelligent manner instead of what happened) was pathetic pandering and liberal voters ate it up.
The response by democrats to that comment made me pretty ashamed. You can't be intellectually dishonest and also claim to have the moral high ground.
--Jeremy
I think the problem was the opposite: given the hype, people expected this to be on par with the xbox one or xbox 360 at least.
Sadly, you can't really account for clueless idiots. Just like all the idiots that whined about the Wii's graphics compared to the PS3 and 360 -- and ignored the fact that the Wii cost half as much.
--Jeremy
*blinks*
Are you really making the argument that a can of PBR is more nutritious than an apple? I'm just going to file this one away as a poor attempt at devil's advocacy because I can't believe that anyone would honestly buy that.
--Jeremy
You were paying for everybody's healthcare already in about the most inefficient way possible (ER visits), you're just too dumb to know it.
--Jeremy
Phillips screws are suitable for things that are screwed together once, and are never intended to be unscrewed again. Anything beyond that risks a stuck screw because the head's been stripped.
So let me get this straight -- are you putting forth the argument that Apple chose to use pentalobe screws for their customers' convenience? That they wanted to ensure that the heads wouldn't be stripped by the frequent screwing/unscrewing that they could expect?
Because if not, this sentence is just a red herring that adds nothing to the discussion.
The rest of your thoughts on the subject are just more evasion.
--Jeremy
You must be somewhat mathematically challenged, because even if you and Apple are right, targeting a subset of 75% of the market is still better than targeting nearly all of 17% of the market.
I have to admit that I'm experiencing some glee in seeing Apple's marketshare numbers fall just as I'd predicted years ago. I don't care that Apple exists; they're just way too much of a bully to be trusted with a dominant marketshare. It's also very amusing to see the moving goalpost reasons provided by Apple fanbois about why iOS is so much better than Android.
--Jeremy
Sure. It'll be running Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, or Windows 7. If it's a Mac it'll probably be running some flavor of OSX.
All that 'fragmentation' doesn't seem to hurt the PC market too badly.
--Jeremy
In other words, as the user of an iOS device that is no longer supported, you can expect the market to leave you behind in a few months, rather than a few years.
--Jeremy