In finding coin denominations that minimize the average cost of making change, Shallit assumed that every amount of change between 0 and 99 cents is equally likely.
Something which is obviously untrue. Amounts of change tend to fall in the low or high range, not the middle.
What makes you think that "many" of us are unemployeed.
Well, let's see. The national unemployment rate is 6%. Even if the slashdot population is equal (and I'd guess it's higher), that certainly qualifies as "many."
You see, to function correctly in our world, we have to give some flexibility to our language, or else it would be impossible to learn. When I say "you have a server," it is assumed that I mean "you have access to a server."
Well, I think that's a key distinction. Someone else has the server. Someone else has to pay for the email I receive. So I am not paying for spam. Not directly. Not indirectly. Not sideways. Not up and down. Not at all.
You don't really have an EMail address either, then.
No, since I own the domain name to which I receive the email, I most certainly would say I do have an email address. It's just pointing to someone else's server at the moment.
Depends. Where do you live? What education do you have? Job
experience? Expenses?
I live in New Jersey, have a computer science degree, a few years of job experience, and virtually no expenses (since I have no job).
I'd say I have enough qualifications to be a spammer. $52K is a helluva lot. It's most certainly not "lame." Your values may be so twisted that you think it's lame compared to your extravagant living, but that doesn't make it true.
By the way, in what situations is mail delivered per pound? I've seen that for forwarding services.
You've answered your own question.
And with per-pound mail, it is unlikely someone would suddenly have to deal with 100 kgs of the stuff being returned- senders are usually known (to be able to get the bulk mail sent in the first place) and bulk mail is usually not returned to sender
Did you read my previous post at all? I'm not talking about the spammer who forges the return address to someone else's address. I've had that happen to me before, and trust me, it sucked. Sure, a lot of spammers do shitty things like that. But others don't.
With spam, a single spammer can force someone else to pay out (time or money) without any type of trade being involved.
That's part of the risk of offering an unlimited product. With all-you-can-eat buffets, a single eater can force someone else to pay out (time or money) without any type of trade being involved.
Actually I'm not sure how you say there is no trade involved. At every step there is a voluntary trade involved. Spammers pay ISPs. ISPs make peering arrangements (for money or just as a trade). And End-users get services from the ISPs. The only thing is that a lot of these arrangements are of the all-you-can-eat variety.
Besides, if you're going to talk about time costs, what about all the time I spend deleting notices of replies to slashdot posts?
Peering agreements account for only some of the costs of spam.
I'm not sure I agree, but to the extent that's not true it's the ISPs fault, not the spammers, and not mine.
For example, that example where I gave of someone spending an hour or two to clean up their inbox because they were falsely used as the return address: that is an unpredictable, unnegotiated cost.
I'm not discussing that situation as I do not believe that faking the return address to someone else is a necessary part of sending spam.
One accident that blocks highway lanes can easily cause 3,000 people to lose 1 hour of time. The highway patrol and towtruck operators might get paid $500 during that time, and the car repair place might get $2000. The payments into the local system because of that accident could be $3k, which doesn't make up for those 3,000 person-hours lost.
Actually in that situation the person who caused the accident (and his insurance company) would be sued to pay for those 3,000 person-hours. My father was once in an accident slamming into a guardrail and he later received a bill for $100,000 or something for "emergency road repair."
Sure, someone does pay, but it is outside of the normal market process.
Are you nuts? Peering agreements are completely inside the normal market process.
For example, with postal bulk mail every action taken by every player in the process has a price.
What action in spam does not have a price?
If the spammer decides to use your email address as the reply-to, you've now got 1000 messages clogging up your inbox.
Likewise if a bulk mailer decides to use your postal address as a return address.
I'm not saying every single spam is identical to every single bulk mail. Obviously there are some methods of spamming which are worse than others. I didn't really despise the spammer in the article until he admitted that he was abusing open relays. Actually up until that point I'd probably be willing to do it myself, if I could make $1000/week.
The recipient is free to accept or decline the TCP/IP transaction. Besides, if there's no say in the transaction, then why are we only blaming spammers? Why not blame anyone who sends me email? Because some emails are wanted, and others aren't. Likewise, some mp3s are wanted, and others aren't.
You've apparently totally forgotten about your ISP's T3 lines, mail servers, and hard drives.
No, I was talking about me, not the ISP.
You pay for all of those, and that is exactly where the spam waits for you, until you pick it up.
I don't pay for my ISPs T3 lines, mail servers, or hard drives.
Just because you haven't picked up your mail [from your mailbox, similar to the postal service] doesn't mean you haven't already paid for it. You have -- you just haven't picked it up. You're still paying the middleman for it, though.
Right, but I choose to do that, because I feel that the benefits from receiving email minus the drawbacks, is worth it. Just like I pay for the middleman for downloading mp3 files. There's no difference.
The problem with spam, and the problem of people sharing incorrect files are completely seperate issues.
The only difference you have pointed to is who initiates the TCP/IP connection. And that's not even true in all P2P protocols. The costs issue is not a difference. ISPs pay for traffic whether it's spam or mp3s.
Oh, puh-leeze. Munging obvious "spammy" words or adding random junk to obfuscate checksum comparison against spam received at dummy addresses pretty much speaks for itself.
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Something which is obviously untrue. Amounts of change tend to fall in the low or high range, not the middle.
Good point. I should have said "napster" instead of "kazaa."
I like how you morphed "commit copyright infringement" into "steal stuff."
Since the people downloading mp3s are only doing it for the convenience, not to save money.
lots of stock. Then he won't want to fuck you over, cause it's in his best interests not to.
What makes you think that "many" of us are unemployeed.
Well, let's see. The national unemployment rate is 6%. Even if the slashdot population is equal (and I'd guess it's higher), that certainly qualifies as "many."
You see, to function correctly in our world, we have to give some flexibility to our language, or else it would be impossible to learn. When I say "you have a server," it is assumed that I mean "you have access to a server."
Well, I think that's a key distinction. Someone else has the server. Someone else has to pay for the email I receive. So I am not paying for spam. Not directly. Not indirectly. Not sideways. Not up and down. Not at all.
You don't really have an EMail address either, then.
No, since I own the domain name to which I receive the email, I most certainly would say I do have an email address. It's just pointing to someone else's server at the moment.
Your ISP is the first I have ever seen that doesn't have any computers -- that is amazing.
I said it doesn't have mail servers or hard drives. I never said anything about not having computers.
As fot T3s, they are completely unnecessary for P2P, I don't know from where you got that strange idea.
Obviously I construed your use of the term T3 to include any size internet connection.
Damn, I could have gotten more, couldn't I?
I'll sell ya my IPAQ IA-1 running linux for $150 plus shipping.
My ISP doesn't have any mail servers or hard drives. As for T3s, I'd like to see you use P2P without any of them.
Then you don't have an EMail address and Spam isn't an issue.
Huh? I have an email address. But I don't have a server.
If you do have some way to receive EMail, then you have a server.
No, someone else has a server. I don't.
The product itself is not illegal at all.
Can you think of any which are?
If you already "own" a copy, you can download this (according to you) "illegal product" legally.
No you can't.
If the user isn't authenticated, how do you stop the RIAA from authenticating all the fucked up content?
Depends. Where do you live? What education do you have? Job experience? Expenses?
I live in New Jersey, have a computer science degree, a few years of job experience, and virtually no expenses (since I have no job).
I'd say I have enough qualifications to be a spammer. $52K is a helluva lot. It's most certainly not "lame." Your values may be so twisted that you think it's lame compared to your extravagant living, but that doesn't make it true.
By the way, in what situations is mail delivered per pound? I've seen that for forwarding services.
You've answered your own question.
And with per-pound mail, it is unlikely someone would suddenly have to deal with 100 kgs of the stuff being returned- senders are usually known (to be able to get the bulk mail sent in the first place) and bulk mail is usually not returned to sender
Did you read my previous post at all? I'm not talking about the spammer who forges the return address to someone else's address. I've had that happen to me before, and trust me, it sucked. Sure, a lot of spammers do shitty things like that. But others don't.
With spam, a single spammer can force someone else to pay out (time or money) without any type of trade being involved.
That's part of the risk of offering an unlimited product. With all-you-can-eat buffets, a single eater can force someone else to pay out (time or money) without any type of trade being involved.
Actually I'm not sure how you say there is no trade involved. At every step there is a voluntary trade involved. Spammers pay ISPs. ISPs make peering arrangements (for money or just as a trade). And End-users get services from the ISPs. The only thing is that a lot of these arrangements are of the all-you-can-eat variety.
Besides, if you're going to talk about time costs, what about all the time I spend deleting notices of replies to slashdot posts?
Peering agreements account for only some of the costs of spam.
I'm not sure I agree, but to the extent that's not true it's the ISPs fault, not the spammers, and not mine.
For example, that example where I gave of someone spending an hour or two to clean up their inbox because they were falsely used as the return address: that is an unpredictable, unnegotiated cost.
I'm not discussing that situation as I do not believe that faking the return address to someone else is a necessary part of sending spam.
One accident that blocks highway lanes can easily cause 3,000 people to lose 1 hour of time. The highway patrol and towtruck operators might get paid $500 during that time, and the car repair place might get $2000. The payments into the local system because of that accident could be $3k, which doesn't make up for those 3,000 person-hours lost.
Actually in that situation the person who caused the accident (and his insurance company) would be sued to pay for those 3,000 person-hours. My father was once in an accident slamming into a guardrail and he later received a bill for $100,000 or something for "emergency road repair."
Do you have a spam filter? That would explain why most of your spam is like that. Otherwise, I don't know. Most of mine is not munged.
Sure, someone does pay, but it is outside of the normal market process.
Are you nuts? Peering agreements are completely inside the normal market process.
For example, with postal bulk mail every action taken by every player in the process has a price.
What action in spam does not have a price?
If the spammer decides to use your email address as the reply-to, you've now got 1000 messages clogging up your inbox.
Likewise if a bulk mailer decides to use your postal address as a return address.
I'm not saying every single spam is identical to every single bulk mail. Obviously there are some methods of spamming which are worse than others. I didn't really despise the spammer in the article until he admitted that he was abusing open relays. Actually up until that point I'd probably be willing to do it myself, if I could make $1000/week.
Nobody can start 'pushing' files at you in P2P.
Depends on the P2P app.
The recipient has no say in the transaction.
The recipient is free to accept or decline the TCP/IP transaction. Besides, if there's no say in the transaction, then why are we only blaming spammers? Why not blame anyone who sends me email? Because some emails are wanted, and others aren't. Likewise, some mp3s are wanted, and others aren't.
You've apparently totally forgotten about your ISP's T3 lines, mail servers, and hard drives.
No, I was talking about me, not the ISP.
You pay for all of those, and that is exactly where the spam waits for you, until you pick it up.
I don't pay for my ISPs T3 lines, mail servers, or hard drives.
Just because you haven't picked up your mail [from your mailbox, similar to the postal service] doesn't mean you haven't already paid for it. You have -- you just haven't picked it up. You're still paying the middleman for it, though.
Right, but I choose to do that, because I feel that the benefits from receiving email minus the drawbacks, is worth it. Just like I pay for the middleman for downloading mp3 files. There's no difference.
The problem with spam, and the problem of people sharing incorrect files are completely seperate issues.
The only difference you have pointed to is who initiates the TCP/IP connection. And that's not even true in all P2P protocols. The costs issue is not a difference. ISPs pay for traffic whether it's spam or mp3s.
Yeah, and some people pay per pound of snail mail they receive.
You receive spam when it is sent to your server not your machine.
I don't have a server.
Downloads on the other hand are only sent when you request them.
Likewise emails are only sent after you accept the TCP/IP connection.
The fact you get something you weren't expecting is your own damn fault.
The fact you get something you weren't expecting is your own damn fault.
What's the matter, did that quote hit too close to home?
Why does the relay have to also be in the US?
$52K/year is lame for a full-time job? Are you high?
Oh, puh-leeze. Munging obvious "spammy" words or adding random junk to obfuscate checksum comparison against spam received at dummy addresses pretty much speaks for itself.
Sure, but most spam doesn't do that.