>How many people actually use Borland's C++ products currently?
From experience not too many. I used them in both my previous jobs, 1 from preference because I was technical lead and 1 because it was used in the team I was working with. The vast majority of the company used VC++ though.
I've been looking for a job that would allow me to use Builder again since I have 4 years experience with it. I've been looking for over a year which I think says it all! ( And no I'm not unemployed - I'm just not doing what I would prefer to do )
Yup I'm stuck up!!
I wont "learn" "Visual" C++ because it is a **** POOR tool as far as I'm concerned. (Actually I probably do "know" it because of the work I've had to do with MS's embedded VC++ version - THE most unproductive time I've had as a developer due to undocumented APIs and bugs.)
Visual C++ is so good that MS have had to create a new language (C# - pronounced C hash) in order to escape the garbage that is Visual C++, MFC, COM, ATL etc.
WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANT TO WASTE MY TIME WORKING WITH THAT BAG OF ****???!!!
And did I say people wouldn't employ me? NO!
However when it comes to windows dev jobs, most of the time when I state that I have 5 years C++ experience of which less than 6 months is with VC++ I'm out the door because 90% of the C++ development work under windows IS done using Visual C++. I wont comment on what I think the reasons for that are!
Having been a faithful Borlandite for several years though..my point was..even though Linux development isn't exactly a bed of roses, I'd rather take longer to develop something on Linux that will build on X number of platforms than to get the insulation and ease of use that I've had with Borland AND suffer the marginalisation that comes with the choice to use their tools.
who have used C++ Builder under Windows for YEARS and miss the ease and speed of putting together quick, fast and powerful C++ apps when moving to Linux.
Somehow though even though Builder is my tool of choice I doubt I would use it that much if it doesnt act as a direct replacement for gcc.
Also I already have problems getting Windows development jobs because I've refused to touch "Visual" C++. The last thing I'd want to find is the same situation cropping up under Linux because I happened to state that Builder was my compiler of choice.
This post has GOT to be a joke.
3.1 up to NT???
Only reason not to go to Linux is a lack of support for MS-fileformats?
let me guess - you mean OFFICE file format? This is NOT a barrier!! Your techy peeps are NOT very good sadly *sigh* Another sole lost:)
If I recall correctly the main reasons bein given were that we [ the UK ] would be surrendering control of our economy and ability to control interest rates/ fight inflation by addopting the Euro.
However, the real reason is as has been said is that there is a lot or irrational resistance to becoming integrated into Europe to this extent.
The PAID MS support I've had is every bit as good as the PAID Linux support I've had - knowledgable people getting paid a wage to support customers in both cases.
Free support is ALWAYS unreliable from EITHER camps - as one would expect.
College students are NOT likely to have had experience with paid MS support professionals - much more likely their PC/ISP supplier has been their main source of support. Since MS is the main USER platform the view that MS support is better is unsurprising.
Be nice to read the article to form a better opinion on it.....so Ill shut up.
Slashdot Mirror
theregister had all of these stories HOURS ago, in fact both the last 2 I read this morning there......less slashdot more slashreg ;)
>How many people actually use Borland's C++ products currently? From experience not too many. I used them in both my previous jobs, 1 from preference because I was technical lead and 1 because it was used in the team I was working with. The vast majority of the company used VC++ though.
I've been looking for a job that would allow me to use Builder again since I have 4 years experience with it. I've been looking for over a year which I think says it all! ( And no I'm not unemployed - I'm just not doing what I would prefer to do )
Yup I'm stuck up!!
I wont "learn" "Visual" C++ because it is a **** POOR tool as far as I'm concerned. (Actually I probably do "know" it because of the work I've had to do with MS's embedded VC++ version - THE most unproductive time I've had as a developer due to undocumented APIs and bugs.)
Visual C++ is so good that MS have had to create a new language (C# - pronounced C hash) in order to escape the garbage that is Visual C++, MFC, COM, ATL etc.
WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANT TO WASTE MY TIME WORKING WITH THAT BAG OF ****???!!!
And did I say people wouldn't employ me? NO!
However when it comes to windows dev jobs, most of the time when I state that I have 5 years C++ experience of which less than 6 months is with VC++ I'm out the door because 90% of the C++ development work under windows IS done using Visual C++. I wont comment on what I think the reasons for that are!
Having been a faithful Borlandite for several years though..my point was..even though Linux development isn't exactly a bed of roses, I'd rather take longer to develop something on Linux that will build on X number of platforms than to get the insulation and ease of use that I've had with Borland AND suffer the marginalisation that comes with the choice to use their tools.
who have used C++ Builder under Windows for YEARS and miss the ease and speed of putting together quick, fast and powerful C++ apps when moving to Linux. Somehow though even though Builder is my tool of choice I doubt I would use it that much if it doesnt act as a direct replacement for gcc. Also I already have problems getting Windows development jobs because I've refused to touch "Visual" C++. The last thing I'd want to find is the same situation cropping up under Linux because I happened to state that Builder was my compiler of choice.
This post has GOT to be a joke. 3.1 up to NT??? Only reason not to go to Linux is a lack of support for MS-fileformats? let me guess - you mean OFFICE file format? This is NOT a barrier!! Your techy peeps are NOT very good sadly *sigh* Another sole lost :)
If I recall correctly the main reasons bein given were that we [ the UK ] would be surrendering control of our economy and ability to control interest rates/ fight inflation by addopting the Euro. However, the real reason is as has been said is that there is a lot or irrational resistance to becoming integrated into Europe to this extent.
The PAID MS support I've had is every bit as good as the PAID Linux support I've had - knowledgable people getting paid a wage to support customers in both cases. Free support is ALWAYS unreliable from EITHER camps - as one would expect. College students are NOT likely to have had experience with paid MS support professionals - much more likely their PC/ISP supplier has been their main source of support. Since MS is the main USER platform the view that MS support is better is unsurprising. Be nice to read the article to form a better opinion on it.....so Ill shut up.