Yes, as a matter of fact, I have "had to" deal with a union, multiple times -- my dad's. They were great with us, and protected both his job, and my health when I was growing up. And that union is still going strong, and because it's in an area where lives are at stake -- superheated steam is not something to be trifled with -- safety, training and demonstrated skill trumps seniority.
Besides, if it's *our* union, *we* make the union rules. We could simply grade skill and productivity objectively, rather than leaving it to some idiot PM with a BS in some lame-ass MIS program.
Small businesses currently have three undesirable options: either having to provide benefits, having to hire WAY overpriced contractors, or having to outsource. A union could provide them with the quality that the contracting outfits currently *claim* to provide, at a fraction of the cost, and still have enough of a cut to provide proper benefits. A more flexible workforce, and on-site, with the kind of immediate communication and understanding of the problems at hand that you just don't get from outsourced labor.
To address the issue of scab labor and fake "promotions" to undermine the union, you just send in your heavies to explain the value proposition. The reason you don't see that going on with skilled labor in heavy construction (in NY anyway) is because the general contractors realize they're actually getting a good deal.
Programming is skilled labor and should unionize
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We should unionize. Conservative rhetoric aside, labor unions provide training, institute quality standards and work procedures.
The partnership system in the steamfitters and pipefitters unions could be emulated as pair programming is often much higher quality than code produced by lone programmers, or ad hoc hastily-assembled teams.
Think of it as a contracting outfit, only with the hefty cut that normally goes to the contract brokers -- going directly into your pension plan -- a REAL pension plan -- which you get to take with you from job to job.
Training, standards, a partner system, pensions, health plans. All the things we could get small businesses off the hook of having to provide.
And, union labor could actually undercut the likes of TekSystems and Adecco in a fair fight, lol.
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I've never seen a gui project that didn't get bogged down in the problem of the PMs and everybody down to the second owner's third wife wanting to repaint the bike shed a different color, and change the workflow at the same time, while all the time confounding the issues they create even further by not knowing the difference between the two.
If the problem is actually somewhat complicated, implement each action as a straight-to-the-shell command line interfaces, invoke them on the server side via python or perl with apache on top -- and let some poor sucker straight out of college do the gee-wiz gui dance.
This way you get your own work done, and can create a solid platform for whatever craptastic client interface they come up with -- and the data can still be maintained, the QA on the actual backend algorithms can be implemented, and at least *you* have accomplished something on time and under budget.
Let the kiddies who made the mistake of getting into GUI at all fight their own way out of it.
Sorry, it's not "feminazism" to simply expect Title IX and Title VII -- the law of the land, in case you'd forgotten -- be enforced, any more than it is for women to expect to be able to vote (the meaning of "suffrage" since you're clearly unfamiliar with the meaning of the word).
Quite frankly, it was stupid of the US to leave Lise Meitner in Austria while bringing over Szilard, Teller, Bethe and (god help us) Fuchs. Sexism through and through -- there she was unwillingly and unhappily helping Hitler build the bomb in Austria and Sweden(finally paying after numerous UNPAID position) when all the US would have had to do was pay her transatlantic fare, give her a FAIR PAYCHECK and tell her that it's OK to be Jewish in America. DUH! But NOOOOO they just ASSUMED it was the MEN around her doing all that work. Jesus, you assholes never learn, do you?
The Manhattan Project ended decades ago. Oh, and in your list of eminent foreign born scientists who developed nuclear weapons, you left off
Lise Meitner.
The incidents in the last decade all feature men, many of foreign birth. The fact is, that the DOE simultaneously claims that it "has to" recruit foreign scientists (even mediocre ones) to fill out the ranks at the national labs, while failing to address the outrageous gender discrimination that would literally double their native born talent pool if they treated us as anything other than potential cheap entertainment for their narcissistic senior Oppenheimer wannabes.
I couldn't stand it. I went back to Harvard. Their loss.
Oh look at the statistics. What secrets have been compromised by American nationals?
Now look at how many have been compromised by non-nationals.
And no, when I was there, as a postdoc, I could not find ONE woman PhD with a permanent job there who was not romantically connected in some way to a senior scientist -- either married to, the ex-wife of, or the mistress of. I finally pressed my faculty advisor to name ONE, and he could not, except for one, whom he dismissed (contemptuously) as "A Nun."
I thought the place was disgusting. Mid-90's, CNLS.
Sorry, I used to work there too, as a postdoc, and it was made *very* clear to me that there was NO woman who had a permanent job there in a technical position was not either married to, formerly married to or otherwise romantically connected to some senior male BSD there (in fact, when I pressed my "faculty mentor" to name *ONE* that was *NOT* he was TOTALLY contemptuous and was like, "oh, yeah, there's ONE, but she's a *NUN*").
The rule there is "put out, or get out." Yah, there are plenty of opportunities there -- for WHORES. Sexual harassment is *RIFE* there -- try asking around about Sterling Colgate, who was like *proud* of the fact that he kept naked pictures of *all* of his ex-wives under glass on his office desk.
Yes, the salaries are fixed wrt to academic age (years since PhD) and since I was three years out, one of the guys I worked with was utterly outraged that I made more than him, he being only a year out of graduate school.
However, because most of the postdocs at CNLS were funded by other departments, the administrator, Frankie Whatshername, used to regularly "forget" to have the money transferred for the female PhD's salaries -- and then tell them that their grants had "run out." So you'd spend a week trying to figure out what the heck happened, and guess what -- if Frankie had neglected to put the request through and you just happened to not get paid, well, rules you know: can't be fixed retroactively. While she strutted around in her fricking skin-tight latex outfits and big hair and barely-an-associates-degree-in-secretarial-work.
So the women PhDs there wound up getting paid less -- a LOT less -- since she would pull this shit like every other month or so.
Yup. and BTW "nuclear stuff" does not require a TS, it requires a Q clearance for which naturalized citizens are also eligible, even if they maintain dual citizenship with their country of birth.
or blacks. Besides, we have rights -- whereas cheap immigrant labor doesn't.
This sorta reminds me of Los Alamos preferentially hiring male foreign scientists while treating American female PhD's no better than prostitutes...and then wondering why all their "nucular" secrets go walkabout time and time again.
"Why don't the banks have a better means of verifying transactions?"
Why indeed.
There was a time when they did, and investment banks actually invested rather than allowing failed math and physics grad students self-restyled as "quants" and "wiz kids" gin up things like CDOs on Excel.
You'd think the gubmint would pay a little bit more attention to monitoring and regulating the practices that *have* *already* destroyed our country.
These Wall Street spreadsheet jockeys have already destroyed more wealth in this country than all the "cybercriminals" combined.
But going after Wall Street fraudsters just isn't a priority, because they have only destroyed middle-class people and shifted the blame to the poor.
By contrast "Cybercriminals" are actually a threat to the rich and the super-rich, and the government's job is to protect the wealth of the super-rich.
"Yes my brother Gog was right. How were we to know the comet would land right in the middle of our giant warehouse. It's a cataclymic sale down here. We're up to our poor necks..You're crazy we got'em. Your nap will rise again and that's my story...Good god its Magog brothers, Atlantis Carpet Reclaimers, serving Hooker, Heater, Hellmouth, and the low desert area."
-- Firesign Theatre from "Everything You Know Is Wrong (and dogs fly spaceships!)"
The so-called computational scientists I used to work for through an entire alphabet soup of FFRDCs were barely able to program in FORTRAN, much less something as sophisticated at Hadoop.
Notice that the article skirts this issue -- yes, they work with "Big Data" but they don't use any dev tools developed post-1963 to do it in, believe me.
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Yes, as a matter of fact, I have "had to" deal with a union, multiple times -- my dad's. They were great with us, and protected both his job, and my health when I was growing up. And that union is still going strong, and because it's in an area where lives are at stake -- superheated steam is not something to be trifled with -- safety, training and demonstrated skill trumps seniority.
Besides, if it's *our* union, *we* make the union rules. We could simply grade skill and productivity objectively, rather than leaving it to some idiot PM with a BS in some lame-ass MIS program.
Small businesses currently have three undesirable options: either having to provide benefits, having to hire WAY overpriced contractors, or having to outsource. A union could provide them with the quality that the contracting outfits currently *claim* to provide, at a fraction of the cost, and still have enough of a cut to provide proper benefits. A more flexible workforce, and on-site, with the kind of immediate communication and understanding of the problems at hand that you just don't get from outsourced labor.
To address the issue of scab labor and fake "promotions" to undermine the union, you just send in your heavies to explain the value proposition. The reason you don't see that going on with skilled labor in heavy construction (in NY anyway) is because the general contractors realize they're actually getting a good deal.
We should unionize. Conservative rhetoric aside, labor unions provide training, institute quality standards and work procedures.
The partnership system in the steamfitters and pipefitters unions could be emulated as pair programming is often much higher quality than code produced by lone programmers, or ad hoc hastily-assembled teams.
Think of it as a contracting outfit, only with the hefty cut that normally goes to the contract brokers -- going directly into your pension plan -- a REAL pension plan -- which you get to take with you from job to job.
Training, standards, a partner system, pensions, health plans. All the things we could get small businesses off the hook of having to provide.
And, union labor could actually undercut the likes of TekSystems and Adecco in a fair fight, lol.
lol it's like the begats in the bible.
I've never seen a gui project that didn't get bogged down in the problem of the PMs and everybody down to the second owner's third wife wanting to repaint the bike shed a different color, and change the workflow at the same time, while all the time confounding the issues they create even further by not knowing the difference between the two.
If the problem is actually somewhat complicated, implement each action as a straight-to-the-shell command line interfaces, invoke them on the server side via python or perl with apache on top -- and let some poor sucker straight out of college do the gee-wiz gui dance.
This way you get your own work done, and can create a solid platform for whatever craptastic client interface they come up with -- and the data can still be maintained, the QA on the actual backend algorithms can be implemented, and at least *you* have accomplished something on time and under budget.
Let the kiddies who made the mistake of getting into GUI at all fight their own way out of it.
USENET usenet Usenet *usenet.
Why go after Torrents without touching Usenet?
Usenet has much more infringing material on it, and much worse than that (kiddie porn, snuff porn, etc)
so when is dhs going after the big usenet providers?
"a rarefied enough social stratum that they inevitably ended up dating someone they worked with"
Jesus christ. Like it's So High-Tone to Fuck the Boss.
It's so fucking basic. You don't screw the crew.
Where were these girls brought up?
Typical sexist response.
You're just illustrating the problem.
And sorry, I wouldn't PUT OUT, so I GOT OUT.
Fucking assholes.
LOL, namecalling. Wow, that is so unique.
Where'd you get that one, from Glenn Beck?
Sorry, it's not "feminazism" to simply expect Title IX and Title VII -- the law of the land, in case you'd forgotten -- be enforced, any more than it is for women to expect to be able to vote (the meaning of "suffrage" since you're clearly unfamiliar with the meaning of the word).
Quite frankly, it was stupid of the US to leave Lise Meitner in Austria while bringing over Szilard, Teller, Bethe and (god help us) Fuchs. Sexism through and through -- there she was unwillingly and unhappily helping Hitler build the bomb in Austria and Sweden(finally paying after numerous UNPAID position) when all the US would have had to do was pay her transatlantic fare, give her a FAIR PAYCHECK and tell her that it's OK to be Jewish in America. DUH! But NOOOOO they just ASSUMED it was the MEN around her doing all that work. Jesus, you assholes never learn, do you?
The Manhattan Project ended decades ago. Oh, and in your list of eminent foreign born scientists who developed nuclear weapons, you left off
Lise Meitner.
The incidents in the last decade all feature men, many of foreign birth. The fact is, that the DOE simultaneously claims that it "has to" recruit foreign scientists (even mediocre ones) to fill out the ranks at the national labs, while failing to address the outrageous gender discrimination that would literally double their native born talent pool if they treated us as anything other than potential cheap entertainment for their narcissistic senior Oppenheimer wannabes.
I couldn't stand it. I went back to Harvard. Their loss.
Yah, the glory days.
Now you have people like THIS
http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2010/09/former_los_alamos_physicist_ch.html
and THIS
http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2007/07/oak-ridge-emplo.html
Oh look at the statistics. What secrets have been compromised by American nationals?
Now look at how many have been compromised by non-nationals.
And no, when I was there, as a postdoc, I could not find ONE woman PhD with a permanent job there who was not romantically connected in some way to a senior scientist -- either married to, the ex-wife of, or the mistress of. I finally pressed my faculty advisor to name ONE, and he could not, except for one, whom he dismissed (contemptuously) as "A Nun."
I thought the place was disgusting. Mid-90's, CNLS.
Sorry, I used to work there too, as a postdoc, and it was made *very* clear to me that there was NO woman who had a permanent job there in a technical position was not either married to, formerly married to or otherwise romantically connected to some senior male BSD there (in fact, when I pressed my "faculty mentor" to name *ONE* that was *NOT* he was TOTALLY contemptuous and was like, "oh, yeah, there's ONE, but she's a *NUN*").
The rule there is "put out, or get out." Yah, there are plenty of opportunities there -- for WHORES. Sexual harassment is *RIFE* there -- try asking around about Sterling Colgate, who was like *proud* of the fact that he kept naked pictures of *all* of his ex-wives under glass on his office desk.
Yes, the salaries are fixed wrt to academic age (years since PhD) and since I was three years out, one of the guys I worked with was utterly outraged that I made more than him, he being only a year out of graduate school.
However, because most of the postdocs at CNLS were funded by other departments, the administrator, Frankie Whatshername, used to regularly "forget" to have the money transferred for the female PhD's salaries -- and then tell them that their grants had "run out." So you'd spend a week trying to figure out what the heck happened, and guess what -- if Frankie had neglected to put the request through and you just happened to not get paid, well, rules you know: can't be fixed retroactively. While she strutted around in her fricking skin-tight latex outfits and big hair and barely-an-associates-degree-in-secretarial-work.
So the women PhDs there wound up getting paid less -- a LOT less -- since she would pull this shit like every other month or so.
Yup. and BTW "nuclear stuff" does not require a TS, it requires a Q clearance for which naturalized citizens are also eligible, even if they maintain dual citizenship with their country of birth.
nope. mid-1990's to the present.
or blacks. Besides, we have rights -- whereas cheap immigrant labor doesn't.
This sorta reminds me of Los Alamos preferentially hiring male foreign scientists while treating American female PhD's no better than prostitutes...and then wondering why all their "nucular" secrets go walkabout time and time again.
"Why don't the banks have a better means of verifying transactions?"
Why indeed.
There was a time when they did, and investment banks actually invested rather than allowing failed math and physics grad students self-restyled as "quants" and "wiz kids" gin up things like CDOs on Excel.
You'd think the gubmint would pay a little bit more attention to monitoring and regulating the practices that *have* *already* destroyed our country.
These Wall Street spreadsheet jockeys have already destroyed more wealth in this country than all the "cybercriminals" combined.
But going after Wall Street fraudsters just isn't a priority, because they have only destroyed middle-class people and shifted the blame to the poor.
By contrast "Cybercriminals" are actually a threat to the rich and the super-rich, and the government's job is to protect the wealth of the super-rich.
cue the accordions and clarinets to play "If I was a rich man"
...is more compute power, memory and disk than the Cray-2 I did my dissertation work on.
C'mon you need Lois Lane, Girl Science Reporter fawning breathlessly over what a Brilliant, Brilliant Man the Lone Genius of Science is.
Otherwise it's not Real Science Journalism (tm).
...to a C programmer, anyway.
Oh, yeh, Goog doesn't do that any more, I heard.
That, and they're getting out of the search indexing business.
Because if she ain't an engineer, she's just coming to work to try to meet one. Kinds sad, if you ask me.
And how do you tell the difference? Between an actual female engineer and gals like this who can't even play one on TV?
Well, there's those degrees and certs to start with, not to mention the actual knowledge and actual accomplishments.
Unfortunately, there are so few of us that organizations have given up on discerning the difference.
I am very wary of women "in tech" who simply don't know anything except how to pander to *male* geeks.
"Yes my brother Gog was right. How were we to know the comet would land right in the middle of our giant warehouse. It's a cataclymic sale down here. We're up to our poor necks..You're crazy we got'em. Your nap will rise again and that's my story...Good god its Magog brothers, Atlantis Carpet Reclaimers, serving Hooker, Heater, Hellmouth, and the low desert area."
-- Firesign Theatre from "Everything You Know Is Wrong (and dogs fly spaceships!)"
EVAR?
The so-called computational scientists I used to work for through an entire alphabet soup of FFRDCs were barely able to program in FORTRAN, much less something as sophisticated at Hadoop.
Notice that the article skirts this issue -- yes, they work with "Big Data" but they don't use any dev tools developed post-1963 to do it in, believe me.