It's been like that in printing for years. Publishers (at least of magazines and newspapers have been talking about selling "eyeballs" for years. Ever since I did my first production job the industry has known that issue and subscription sales have only just covered the printing costs. A decade ago no one in the print industry would have been able to maintain a straight face while saying the consumer neded to carry the cost.
And if you dont believe me, go take a look at an oldschool periodical publishing house and check out what their sales department does. In case you can't find one anymore I will tell you. They sell ads. Or rather adspace. Or rather, viewers. Just like broadcast TV.
The bigest problem with the news industry right now is that the online advertising market isn't able to subsidize their massive brick and mortar operations like a 4c backcover ad would have done. That's because their old scarcity model no longer applies. Advertising space is no longer hard to come by, distribution is easy and there is basically no barrier to entry. IN other words, potential competition is infinite.
Of course, like most of the content industry, the current publishing business structures are top heavy (as far as costs compared to value) or middle heavy (as far as number of non-productive jobs). We are seeing the death of the middlemen, NOT the content producers.
Unless the middlemen and non-productive types can manage to buy the legislation they need to maintain their old business models. If they can make it impossible for me to have access to distribution again, then they might be able to go back to business as usual.
You are right it is as old as the printing and publishing industry, and even at the beginning it was meant not to proteect the interests of the artists, but to protect the interests of the publishers. Pirate publishers were only part of the problem, copyright was also useful in protecting the interests of the publishers from the greedy writers.
Remember, a creator doesn't need copyright, it is something granted to a second party, literally the right to make/distribute copies. It's value has always been greater to the industry rather than the individual artists.
true. it was just gamed by free market advocates and fans of ponzi schemes. If you still havent learned that the voracity of human greed will lead to collusion, exploitation and unfair practices, then you really havent been paying attention in class.
Ah, but what if the torturers were enjoying themselves? I mean, I realize the chances of anyone in the U.S. Military enjoying Metallica are next to non existant but still...
That's nice, but judging by my ears on XDA_develoeprs, you would belong to a minority. There is a reason the whole rom cooking thing took off, and it is NOT because of the great update service Micorsoft and the Carriers have offered for Windows Mobile devices. At least not prior to 6.1.
No upgrades available for my TyTn, and only point upgrades for most of the others, mostly to insure Visa would work.
Show me another cell phone that even gets full point release updates. My windows mobile phone couldnt even get a bug fix, until after I hac ked it and installed what Microsoft considered to be an illegal upgrade.
If you know anyone who has a windows Mobile device that has been updated from WM5 to WM6 it was done despite microsoft, and not because MS or the providers are so generous.
I would also be pretty surprised to see a full point upgrade for any Symbian phone, and my Sony ericsons always required a trip to my service provider for an upgrade, something they charged for once it was more than a year old. Of course, I could have gone and bought the proprietory cable and done it myself, but that was a major pain.
Nope. My point is that my iPhone outperforms my windows mobile phone. My Tytn came with a buggy bluetooth stack, a gsm stack that would silently die in the background leaving me with no phone service, an impossible interface that required the stylus, and a system that couldnt be easily upgraded to fix the bug infested system it had been delivered with.
reminds me a lot of windows ME actually.
The iPhone on the other hand was missing some functionality, but the basics were solid. Much of the functionality has been added bit by bit as time goes by, a lot like the way OSX was built up.
My main point is that neither one is really in the past, but neither one really lives up to the promise of the currently available hardware. The iphone with limited functionality, WM phones with limited stabillity and clunky UI.
Look, the appstore is the market, not the advertising channel. Having a market available has simplified the process of getting your app to the user, and made it easier for users to find apps, but that is it. Compared to what things used to be like with Windows Mobile Apps and Symbian, it's a lot easier for me as a user to find what i am looking for, and the process of purchasing is a dream compared to anything in the past for any computing platform I have had.
But!
I still have to find out about your app. Which means YOU still have to market it. That isn't Apples job. I rarely rely on the whats hot tabs in the app store. I use references from other web sites, from searches, and from reviews. If you aren't out there doing your best to make sure someone else actually sees and talks about you app, then you have no reason to bitch.
Uless you consider bitching part of your marketing as the article poster seems to do. I am sure it might work, but considering the fact that he overpriced his app, and also seemed to overspend on something that couldn't reasonably recoup the cash makes me more likely to not by his game.
And you Mr. Xenodium, despite getting some points for highjacking a thread to sell your app, lose points for not even linking to it in you initial post. If all of the whiney app developers are as incompetent in marketing as you two, it's amazing they have managed any sales at all...
They arent laws, they are aging distribution agreements that continue to get renewed. You are seeing the attempts at propping up an out of date business model, the same things the music companies have been doing for years now. Regional licensing and distribution deals are simply out of date and should be irrelevant by now. They ad nothing to the value of a property, and only serve to artificially inflate the cost, by adding a useless level of middlelmen who are skimming profits.
Soviet Republic of American Corporations?
Corporate Republic of American Socialist Soviets?
wait, I have it
Corporate Republic of the American People.
Yeah, yeah, I know. It's just the same old crap...
You egotistical fucktard. The health system isn't just about old and sick. It's about new-borns and their parents, children, and the working adult.
In a country with a functioning social network, it is actually possible to have a high standard of living , even if income is considerably lower than places like the U.S. It's not just about being able to go to the doctor when I want (which is great, btw) but knowing that being sick won't leave me unemployed.
Combined with a shorter workweek, real vacation time and a decent wage, that means I actually end up getting sick much less frequently. Lower stress levels does wonders for a persons health, and it actually makes society in general a much more pleasant place, as we have fewer people who are as aggressive as those in the states. Crime rates are lower, violent crime much less violent, and people are less likely to resort to crime out of a sense of desperation.
On the other hand, I really wish you could experience the full consequences of a true pay as you go society. God knows I shudder at the thought that ANY taxpayer has been forced to support any aspect of your apparently ungrateful and selfish existance.
true, just like the quaint idea that medical care shouldn't bankrupt you.
Speaking as an American that's lived on both sides of the pond, with a mother in the states being nearly bankrupted by her cancer treatment and a mother-in-law in europe who had the same level of care with no added costs, I know which system I prefer.
If it were possible to get wireless service WiTHOUT a contract for a better rate, then you might have a point, but for most of the providers in my area (Austria) up until a month or so ago, that wasn't an option.
That just means they're ripping off the contractless customers even more - pay as you go customers pay more almost everywhere.
That's true
If the phone is for sale at a lower price when tied to a contract than it is when sold unlocked, where's the difference coming from? Santa Clause?
If I am paying the same monthly fee when I bring my own (more expensive) device to the contract, who's money am I wasting?
in my area (Austria) [...] So just stop with the "hidden" already.
Hmmm, an Austrian who thinks he can order everybody around. That's a novelty.
Actually, an American who thinks he can boss everybody else around. Not too novel I know, but the fact that I actually left the country would indeed make me a novelty I guess.
It's not "Hidden" in the monthly bill. If it were possible to get wireless service WiTHOUT a contract for a better rate, then you might have a point, but for most of the providers in my area (Austria) up until a month or so ago, that wasn't an option.
That was the same argument people were using against the iPhone, but I actually saved money and got a cheaper iPhone by switching to the iPhone data plans here. If I were to renew my seperate dataplan again, I would also pick up a cheaper monthly rate and a netbook to boot.
Contract free data plans have only been on the market here for a very short time and they are only a value for low volume users.
So just stop with the "hidden" already.
And someone elses payment would eventually subsidize your use of the system once you moved out of the "Im a healthy young white male" phase of life. Because, guess what? You are going to most likely get sick. Not only that, but you have actually been consuming the resources that someone else paid so that you could enjoy things like an education, roads, and a basically functioning society. Because like it or not, you are NOT a fucking island okay? Your well being is completely dependent on the well-being of others around you. Self centered self righteous prick though you may be...
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It's been like that in printing for years. Publishers (at least of magazines and newspapers have been talking about selling "eyeballs" for years. Ever since I did my first production job the industry has known that issue and subscription sales have only just covered the printing costs. A decade ago no one in the print industry would have been able to maintain a straight face while saying the consumer neded to carry the cost.
And if you dont believe me, go take a look at an oldschool periodical publishing house and check out what their sales department does. In case you can't find one anymore I will tell you. They sell ads. Or rather adspace. Or rather, viewers. Just like broadcast TV.
The bigest problem with the news industry right now is that the online advertising market isn't able to subsidize their massive brick and mortar operations like a 4c backcover ad would have done. That's because their old scarcity model no longer applies. Advertising space is no longer hard to come by, distribution is easy and there is basically no barrier to entry. IN other words, potential competition is infinite.
Of course, like most of the content industry, the current publishing business structures are top heavy (as far as costs compared to value) or middle heavy (as far as number of non-productive jobs). We are seeing the death of the middlemen, NOT the content producers.
Unless the middlemen and non-productive types can manage to buy the legislation they need to maintain their old business models. If they can make it impossible for me to have access to distribution again, then they might be able to go back to business as usual.
So are you saying "It's not a bug, it's a feature?"
I havent heard that one in a while...
You are right it is as old as the printing and publishing industry, and even at the beginning it was meant not to proteect the interests of the artists, but to protect the interests of the publishers. Pirate publishers were only part of the problem, copyright was also useful in protecting the interests of the publishers from the greedy writers.
Remember, a creator doesn't need copyright, it is something granted to a second party, literally the right to make/distribute copies. It's value has always been greater to the industry rather than the individual artists.
no, he meant bridges.
true. it was just gamed by free market advocates and fans of ponzi schemes. If you still havent learned that the voracity of human greed will lead to collusion, exploitation and unfair practices, then you really havent been paying attention in class.
try http://www.podtomac.com/ or http://www.podtopc.com/
well, if you got rich working for the press you must be corrupt.
Ah, but what if the torturers were enjoying themselves? I mean, I realize the chances of anyone in the U.S. Military enjoying Metallica are next to non existant but still...
That's nice, but judging by my ears on XDA_develoeprs, you would belong to a minority. There is a reason the whole rom cooking thing took off, and it is NOT because of the great update service Micorsoft and the Carriers have offered for Windows Mobile devices. At least not prior to 6.1.
No upgrades available for my TyTn, and only point upgrades for most of the others, mostly to insure Visa would work.
Show me another cell phone that even gets full point release updates. My windows mobile phone couldnt even get a bug fix, until after I hac ked it and installed what Microsoft considered to be an illegal upgrade.
If you know anyone who has a windows Mobile device that has been updated from WM5 to WM6 it was done despite microsoft, and not because MS or the providers are so generous.
I would also be pretty surprised to see a full point upgrade for any Symbian phone, and my Sony ericsons always required a trip to my service provider for an upgrade, something they charged for once it was more than a year old. Of course, I could have gone and bought the proprietory cable and done it myself, but that was a major pain.
Nope. My point is that my iPhone outperforms my windows mobile phone. My Tytn came with a buggy bluetooth stack, a gsm stack that would silently die in the background leaving me with no phone service, an impossible interface that required the stylus, and a system that couldnt be easily upgraded to fix the bug infested system it had been delivered with.
reminds me a lot of windows ME actually.
The iPhone on the other hand was missing some functionality, but the basics were solid. Much of the functionality has been added bit by bit as time goes by, a lot like the way OSX was built up.
My main point is that neither one is really in the past, but neither one really lives up to the promise of the currently available hardware. The iphone with limited functionality, WM phones with limited stabillity and clunky UI.
I dont know. My Windows Mobile Phone feels more like Windows 95 in low gear.
Look, the appstore is the market, not the advertising channel. Having a market available has simplified the process of getting your app to the user, and made it easier for users to find apps, but that is it. Compared to what things used to be like with Windows Mobile Apps and Symbian, it's a lot easier for me as a user to find what i am looking for, and the process of purchasing is a dream compared to anything in the past for any computing platform I have had.
But!
I still have to find out about your app. Which means YOU still have to market it. That isn't Apples job. I rarely rely on the whats hot tabs in the app store. I use references from other web sites, from searches, and from reviews. If you aren't out there doing your best to make sure someone else actually sees and talks about you app, then you have no reason to bitch.
Uless you consider bitching part of your marketing as the article poster seems to do. I am sure it might work, but considering the fact that he overpriced his app, and also seemed to overspend on something that couldn't reasonably recoup the cash makes me more likely to not by his game.
And you Mr. Xenodium, despite getting some points for highjacking a thread to sell your app, lose points for not even linking to it in you initial post. If all of the whiney app developers are as incompetent in marketing as you two, it's amazing they have managed any sales at all...
god no, please don't. Don't ever go anywhere when flip-flops are involved. It's just not right.
They arent laws, they are aging distribution agreements that continue to get renewed. You are seeing the attempts at propping up an out of date business model, the same things the music companies have been doing for years now. Regional licensing and distribution deals are simply out of date and should be irrelevant by now. They ad nothing to the value of a property, and only serve to artificially inflate the cost, by adding a useless level of middlelmen who are skimming profits.
Soviet Republic of American Corporations? Corporate Republic of American Socialist Soviets? wait, I have it Corporate Republic of the American People. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's just the same old crap...
Nope, dont even need a headset. Just put it on speakerphone and get on with whatever it is you need to do.
indeed.
You egotistical fucktard. The health system isn't just about old and sick. It's about new-borns and their parents, children, and the working adult.
In a country with a functioning social network, it is actually possible to have a high standard of living , even if income is considerably lower than places like the U.S. It's not just about being able to go to the doctor when I want (which is great, btw) but knowing that being sick won't leave me unemployed.
Combined with a shorter workweek, real vacation time and a decent wage, that means I actually end up getting sick much less frequently. Lower stress levels does wonders for a persons health, and it actually makes society in general a much more pleasant place, as we have fewer people who are as aggressive as those in the states. Crime rates are lower, violent crime much less violent, and people are less likely to resort to crime out of a sense of desperation.
On the other hand, I really wish you could experience the full consequences of a true pay as you go society. God knows I shudder at the thought that ANY taxpayer has been forced to support any aspect of your apparently ungrateful and selfish existance.
You aren't by any chance born again are you?
true, just like the quaint idea that medical care shouldn't bankrupt you.
Speaking as an American that's lived on both sides of the pond, with a mother in the states being nearly bankrupted by her cancer treatment and a mother-in-law in europe who had the same level of care with no added costs, I know which system I prefer.
That just means they're ripping off the contractless customers even more - pay as you go customers pay more almost everywhere.
That's true
If I am paying the same monthly fee when I bring my own (more expensive) device to the contract, who's money am I wasting?
Actually, an American who thinks he can boss everybody else around. Not too novel I know, but the fact that I actually left the country would indeed make me a novelty I guess.
It's not "Hidden" in the monthly bill. If it were possible to get wireless service WiTHOUT a contract for a better rate, then you might have a point, but for most of the providers in my area (Austria) up until a month or so ago, that wasn't an option. That was the same argument people were using against the iPhone, but I actually saved money and got a cheaper iPhone by switching to the iPhone data plans here. If I were to renew my seperate dataplan again, I would also pick up a cheaper monthly rate and a netbook to boot. Contract free data plans have only been on the market here for a very short time and they are only a value for low volume users. So just stop with the "hidden" already.
And someone elses payment would eventually subsidize your use of the system once you moved out of the "Im a healthy young white male" phase of life. Because, guess what? You are going to most likely get sick. Not only that, but you have actually been consuming the resources that someone else paid so that you could enjoy things like an education, roads, and a basically functioning society. Because like it or not, you are NOT a fucking island okay? Your well being is completely dependent on the well-being of others around you. Self centered self righteous prick though you may be...
So who can we blame for teaching you that Central America was a continent?
...legal degrees?