And you've never been so busy that you've done something twice? Or forgotten you did it the first time? Oh that's right, {smack forhead} your so perfect that you don't want anyone to know who you are because we might fall down in worship. I just plumb forgot.
I know you where all excited to get first post, but let's get real. These people are human, and by their very nature sometimes make mistakes.
The sheer ignorance that this type of post displays is amazing.
Or if you really think you could do a better job than/., goto here to grab the scripts that run this sight and start your own competition. After sifting through 300+ submissions a day, you'll be singing a different tune.
I don't think this is a good idea, I know I have used AC posting before when I was posting something I was afraid might get traced back to me (For example, complaints about my employeer, etc.)
I think something like a.kill file that we can put usernames and key phrases into, and have those filtered out... And possilbly an.smear file where we can put words we don't want appearing on our screen. [I check from work and would love to be able to replace obsenity with the traditional @$#!.]
DAMN, I'm out of moderator points.... Could some one moderate this up as "Funny"?
At least I hope Mr. Coward is aware that (Li)/(UN)ix is designed to make it very hard for a process to take down the operating system. And that the entire GUI infrastructure can crash, but every thing else will run... (Granted it _looks_ like a crash but the OS just keeps going and going and going...)
My favortie is the last two lines.... Like windows has a standard GUI.... or drivers that don't take the system down. [Don't try to argue that one, because I've had it happen with win95a and some funky video card.]
Who said I was specifically talking about you? Sorry this week has been really bad for "As every intelligent person knows.." posts. You obviously aren't doing that.
..., but there's more to this "killing" case than you're letting on, isn't there?
You know, I was going to let this go, I wasn't going to respond but this part really bothered me... I just can't let this go without finding out... are you implying that I am hiding something here? I'm sure that you are an educated person and could,if you wanted, go to the Raliegh News & Observer and findout for yourself. It was in yesterday's news.
Remember that by attacking a government-owned system, he committed a FELONY, not just a silly hack against some no-name company. He compromised a network run by the United States government.
I don't see why this makes a difference... all of the gov's classified stuff is not connected to the internet. You're not going to argue that the gov. has more rights than a private company/citizen are you? That it's somehow more wrong to deface the property of a governemnt by the people than the property of a person?
If you think the laws in this respect don't spell out penalties more to your liking, try writing your congressmen.
I do. Often. I also give to orgs. like the EFF which try to bring a little sanity to hacking discussions. (For example, Mitch's comments in "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling)
Posting on Slashdot won't get anything done.
You mean discussing the issue with other people is pointless? Debating the issue is a fruitless endevor? Hmmm... who knew. I though that by debating such issues people on both sides honed their arguements and brought there message to a larger audience.
People are being convicted of these types of things all the time, and every time it happens we hear shouts of protest about how the penalty is much too harsh, etc. (mostly from Slashdot kiddies).
A) I am not a "kiddie." I'm 27 and trying to decide if I want to attend my 10 year re-union. Why is it that the average slashdotter assumes that if you disagree with him/her you are either stupid or a kid? Geesh people this is the real world, people disagree with one an other and it's ok.
B) Gee, maybe the penalty is a little too harsh. Let's think about it... hmmmm, on the radio today there was a story about a man who was sentenced to probhation after killing someone at a off-campus UNC party. And this kid gets jail time. Are you really going to sit there and tell me that taking someone's life is less of a crime than costing the government or a corporation money?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
The kid deserves what he gets. He knew what he was doing was illegal, and he was no doubt aware of the penalties he'd bring down upon himself when he was caught And if he'd spary painted a wall would he deserve the same? What if he'd keyed someone's car?
Yes, hacking is wrong. But to say that the punishment fits the crime here is ridiculous. Yeah, it costs money to set the system back up... so garnish the kids wages for life, or make him/her do community service...that would be more in keeping with the kind of damage done.
Do you even know what an SP (Suppressive Person) is?
Dude, by responding to me you are violating the rules of scientology. If you are on staff you could be RPF'd, if your not you could have to go to costly additional auditing to prove you are not a PTS (potential trouble source, I believe that's right anyway).
Since you are already in so much shit, I would recomend going to Xemu.Net the place this article is about or trancenet.org which has some material about the Co$.
There is a lot more to the church of scientology than you think. And it ain't pretty at all.
While I don't think that the Co$ is should be banned, they have routinely done illegal things. They have defrauded you and every scientologist. They are a pack of petty thieves and liars.
I highly recomend that you take a look at Xemu.net, since they have documents showing some of the horrible things that religion has done.
I seriously hope that you decide to leave as soon as possible. RobK
May I point out that not a single source you list is a lawyer?
Having read both the FoF _and_ scouring MS's site, the updside story, and the byte article... I find these people to not be as credible as a lawyer...
I don't know, may be because a lawyer goes through quite a few years actually studying the law and thus isn't talking out their ass when matters of law come around....
OTHO, I would talk to a economics editor about what stocks to buy or a tech mag about how to get my home network up.
The articles you listed aren't as credible as a lawyer in this context... sorry.
Speaking of not reading the post, if you read the *5* other replies, you would notice that: A) the first response was mine saying "Oops sorry, please moderate me down." B) 4 People have already responded.
Sorry I pushed your buttons, buddy.... I think you need to calm down just a little.
Now, The Cult of $cientology is NOT a legitimate religion,...
No duh, I didn't say that they weren't criminal. I was questioning if banning them was a good idea or not.
My feeling is that it isn't. That banning religions or orgs. that call themselves a religion is a very, very, very bad idea. You are starting down a real slippery slope when one religion may be considered a "real" religion and others may not.
How do you termine what a religion is? What's the difference between a religion and a philosophy?
...it does NOT do any good to anybody, it is an evil organization, a criminal organization that NEEDS be shut down.
I like ZDTV much in the same way I like some of the more "out-there" religious programming.... you know like sc*ntology commericials, or "The Pagan Invasion"...(if anyone remembers that!)
It's funny and incredibly aggrevating at the same time.
And there is a pending request to ban the scientology organisation... Let's hope scientology will be banned here.
Is this really what we want? The people who joing this cults tend to be 1) more intelligent than average, 2) very idealistic, 3) want to help solve the world's problems. [I'm going to have to a blanket reference here to The Margaret Singer Foundation hopefully still there, this has been found in several studies of former cult members.]
The individuals in a cult are not nescessarily evil or bad. Some of the things they do are evil because they are in essense brainwashed. In other words, the members aren't evil individually, collectively they can do a great deal of harm to other individuals and to communities, governments and so on.
But do we want to ban them? Do we want to cross the line that Hitler crossed?
If so, how do we prevent non-Cult religions from being banned because they practice "strange and bizarre rituals"? (mediation, chanting, ritualistic canabalism...{ahem}...and so on, an important question to myself, a Buddhist). We need to reach a balance between preventing harm and religious tolerance.
Disclaimer: My brother started trancenet.org , a cult tracking website. He is the one who first raised these concerns to me. Also, according to discussions I had with an anon scientologist in '95 I was declared an SP (suppressive person) sometime in '94-'95 due to my participation in alt.religion.scientology... but I have no confirming evidence...
(So if you are a scientologist, you are currently out-tech just by reading this post that is trying to be tolerant!)
If you object to their policies so much, then don't run their client.
There are a million or so screen savers out there.
These people know what they are doing from a scientific standpoint, until we can approach them with a _ROCK_SOLID_ plan for how open sourcing would work, and a plan to prevent any contamination of data, they _aren't_ going to listen to us. And they _shouldn't_!
In other words approach them with a working transmission protocol that immediately notifies the server if the code has been tampered with, or makes trapping such occurances trival. Someone above posted a method that I think might be a good start. However, I doubt if they would accept a random sampling of verifies, ideally every packet should be verified somehow.
This isn't a democracy folks, this is an attempt at a scientific study of one of the most important question in the world. One with implications for religion, philosophy, biology, physics, astronomy and almost every other field of human endevor.
If they choose to be a little conservative with _their_ code, it's _their_ proffesional ass on the line. OTHO if our screensaver or distributed client runs 10% faster, gee isn't that nice...
Out of a job, and a laughing stock compared to ooohhh look at the purty colors. Sheesh, cut them a break.
Wow, ok I followed about 1/2 of that. I'm not a crypto guy (at all, my idea of an interesting book on crypto is Focault's Pendulum. Could someone else comment on this???
Does anyone know if ID is supporting non-Intel Linuxeseseses (oops, sorry there)? I'm running LinuxPPC, and probably won't have $$$ to get a decent Intel machine (other things in line first) until mid-to-late 2000. [I'm also trying to slowly phase out non-open source os's.]
I'm sure Alpha-Linux ans Sparc-Linux fans would really go for Quake also!
So, if they released their source, bugs would magically appear?
No, but some dishonest programmer may try to either 1) hose the program because they think Seti is stupid or 2) try to fake data so s/he becomes "the person who discovered ET."
Let's not get all idealogical here folks, instead let's try and think of some way to identify suspect blocks and cope with them.
Then we can go to the Seti@Home folks with an entire plan, not just chanting the open source mantra.
Thank you. Reading your response made me realize that I was argueing the wrong battle. (I think my point still stands, but I'm not going to argue it any more).
(BTW, my Dharma name is Kongchong Thapkay which roughly translates as "Skillfull Means Of the Triple Gem." Guess I haven't been living up to it....)
Clearly dogmatism still runs rampant in both camps (Buddhism and Christanity). Is ignorance dualistic?
How was I being dogmatic? I don't understand... All I said was that there were differences between the religions, which is true. I didn't say Christians where damned to hell or any such thing.
Rant+++ I used have a great deal of respect for VP. Gore. Before he started this campaign I was very pro-Gore (even having been pro-Gore when he ran in '88) He may even get my vote this time, I'm not sure yet. But he has really gone down in my estimation. Between declaring his webpage "open-source," and claiming he "invented the internet." And then defending the claim with bald assertions.... I mean if he'd said "Well I was instruemental in getting the intial funding passed," that would have been fine, but saying "VP. Gore stands by his statement."
I guess what I'm trying to say is: "Hey, Al your handlers are making you look like a fool. Quit trying to be cool and be yourself... one of the most intelligent and thoughtful Democrats around. You do that, and you may actually make it to the election."
I don't mean to start a flame war or anything, but there _are_ vast differences between the major religions. While they all seem to advocate similar behaviors, e.g. Don't be an *sshole. They reasons why you should follow that behaviour are very different (even amongst differing flavors of Christians ie Catholics=do good to go to Heaven, Calvinists=do good for the love of the Creator).
I was raised Catholic myself and found Buddhism about the age of 14 or so (I was never confirmed in the Catholic Church). But off the top of my head here are the differences between Catholism and Buddhism.
Catholic God Soul Hell Forever 1 Life
Buddhist No God(1) No Soul(2) Hell Temporary Reincarnation ------------------------------------ (1) Buddhist are not required to believe in a God or gods (one of the big draws for me). We are explicitly told no to "take refuge" in God or gods. (2) Anatta (no soul) is one of the central tenets of Buddhism, it states that there is no part of "Me" that abides forever, "I" am a different collection of causes and conditions then I was when I started writing this sentence.
I don't mean this as a flame or anthing, I just feel we should celebrate our diversity rather than force common ground.
I'm going to be a wet blanket and respond seriously to a funny post...
It's origin is highly speculative. Some Buddhists believe that it (along with all other Sutras) where written during the lifetime of the Buddha and hidden by the King of the Nagas "until the world was ready." (Nagas are intelligent water-snakes.)
Western scholars put the authorship of this and other sutra to around 2-400 years after the death of the Buddha (around 2,500+ years ago), and the location in Northern India.
This type of "license" was common amongst Buddhist writting, and some books by modern monks are realeased with similar statements at the begining. (However, they have a big ol' copyright at the begining.)
Note: I _am_ Buddhist (Tibetan Drikung Kagyu), and find the Diamond Sutra to be a powerful and beautiful statement of Buddhist belief.
I work with MS Windows (as a developer), and I am forced to use Outlook 2000 (by the company I'm at). If it hadn't seen this newsstory, I wouldn't have innoculated myself until the IT folks sent out a technical builiten... and that could be weeks. Thus for people in my situation, this is very helpful. Incase you didn't notice there are Linux, BSD, Mac, Amiga, Palm AND Windows folks here. That's what tolerating differences is all about.
A lot of people on/. are also system administrators who need to make stuff like this known to their (l)users, and be able to answer questions about the latest and greatest virus scare.
Finally, this is news. This is the first (reported) email/web virus that doesn't require the user to actually run something. (Yes, viruses that didn't require execution existed before, but this one is the first (reported) web-virus.)
Slashdot Mirror
Sheesh!
/., goto here to grab the scripts that run this sight and start your own competition. After sifting through 300+ submissions a day, you'll be singing a different tune.
And you've never been so busy that you've done something twice? Or forgotten you did it the first time? Oh that's right, {smack forhead} your so perfect that you don't want anyone to know who you are because we might fall down in worship. I just plumb forgot.
I know you where all excited to get first post, but let's get real. These people are human, and by their very nature sometimes make mistakes.
The sheer ignorance that this type of post displays is amazing.
Or if you really think you could do a better job than
I don't think this is a good idea,
.kill file that we can put usernames and key phrases into, and have those .smear file where we can put words we don't want appearing on our screen. [I check from work and would love to be able to replace obsenity with the traditional @$#!.]
I know I have used AC posting before when I was
posting something I was afraid might get traced back to me (For example, complaints about my employeer, etc.)
I think something like a
filtered out... And possilbly an
Just my 010 bits...
RobK
DAMN, I'm out of moderator points....
Could some one moderate this up as "Funny"?
At least I hope Mr. Coward is aware that (Li)/(UN)ix is designed to make it very hard for a process to take down the operating system. And that the entire GUI infrastructure can crash, but every thing else will run... (Granted it _looks_ like a crash but the OS just keeps going and going and going...)
My favortie is the last two lines....
Like windows has a standard GUI.... or drivers that don't take the system down. [Don't try to argue that one, because I've had it happen with win95a and some funky video card.]
Mr. Coward I salute you! You are always so funny.
RobK
Who said I was specifically talking about you?
..., but there's more to this "killing" case than you're letting on, isn't there?
,if you wanted, go to the Raliegh News & Observer and findout for yourself. It was in yesterday's news.
Sorry this week has been really bad for "As every intelligent person knows.." posts. You obviously aren't doing that.
You know, I was going to let this go, I wasn't going to respond but this part really bothered me... I just can't let this go without finding out... are you implying that I am hiding something here? I'm sure that you are an educated person and could
Remember that by attacking a government-owned system, he committed a FELONY, not just a silly hack against some no-name company. He compromised a network run by the United States government.
I don't see why this makes a difference... all of the gov's classified stuff is not connected to the internet. You're not going to argue that the gov. has more rights than a private company/citizen are you? That it's somehow more wrong to deface the property of a governemnt by the people than the property of a person?
If you think the laws in this respect don't spell out penalties more to your liking, try writing your congressmen.
I do. Often. I also give to orgs. like the EFF which try to bring a little sanity to hacking discussions. (For example, Mitch's comments in "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling)
Posting on Slashdot won't get anything done.
You mean discussing the issue with other people is pointless? Debating the issue is a fruitless endevor? Hmmm... who knew. I though that by debating such issues people on both sides honed their arguements and brought there message to a larger audience.
People are being convicted of these types of things all the time, and every time it happens we hear shouts of protest about how the penalty is much too harsh, etc. (mostly from Slashdot kiddies).
A) I am not a "kiddie." I'm 27 and trying to decide if I want to attend my 10 year re-union.
Why is it that the average slashdotter assumes that if you disagree with him/her you are either stupid or a kid? Geesh people this is the real world, people disagree with one an other and it's ok.
B) Gee, maybe the penalty is a little too harsh. Let's think about it... hmmmm, on the radio today there was a story about a man who was sentenced to probhation after killing someone at a off-campus UNC party. And this kid gets jail time. Are you really going to sit there and tell me that taking someone's life is less of a crime than costing the government or a corporation money?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
The kid deserves what he gets. He knew what he was doing was illegal, and he was no doubt aware of the penalties he'd bring down upon himself when he was caught
And if he'd spary painted a wall would he deserve the same? What if he'd keyed someone's car?
Yes, hacking is wrong. But to say that the punishment fits the crime here is ridiculous. Yeah, it costs money to set the system back up... so garnish the kids wages for life, or make him/her do community service...that would be more in keeping with the kind of damage done.
Do you even know what an SP (Suppressive Person) is?
Dude, by responding to me you are violating the rules of scientology. If you are on staff you could be RPF'd, if your not you could have to go to costly additional auditing to prove you are not a PTS (potential trouble source, I believe that's right anyway).
Since you are already in so much shit, I would recomend going to Xemu.Net the place this article is about or trancenet.org which has some material about the Co$.
There is a lot more to the church of scientology than you think. And it ain't pretty at all.
While I don't think that the Co$ is should be banned, they have routinely done illegal things. They have defrauded you and every scientologist.
They are a pack of petty thieves and liars.
I highly recomend that you take a look at Xemu.net, since they have documents showing some of the horrible things that religion has done.
I seriously hope that you decide to leave as soon as possible.
RobK
May I point out that not a single source you list is a lawyer?
Having read both the FoF _and_ scouring MS's site, the updside story, and the byte article... I find these people to not be as credible as a lawyer...
I don't know, may be because a lawyer goes through quite a few years actually studying the law and thus isn't talking out their ass when matters of law come around....
OTHO, I would talk to a economics editor about what stocks to buy or a tech mag about how to get my home network up.
The articles you listed aren't as credible as a lawyer in this context... sorry.
Speaking of not reading the post, if you read the
*5* other replies, you would notice that:
A) the first response was mine saying "Oops sorry, please moderate me down."
B) 4 People have already responded.
Sorry I pushed your buttons, buddy.... I think you need to calm down just a little.
...it does NOT do any good to anybody, it is an evil organization, a criminal organization that NEEDS be shut down.
Now, The Cult of $cientology is NOT a legitimate religion,...
No duh, I didn't say that they weren't criminal. I was questioning if banning them was a good idea or not.
My feeling is that it isn't. That banning religions or orgs. that call themselves a religion is a very, very, very bad idea. You are starting down a real slippery slope when one religion may be considered a "real" religion and others may not.
How do you termine what a religion is? What's the difference between a religion and a philosophy?
I vehemently disagree!
Never mind, I just got it...
each digit in today's date is odd. I'm an idiot
and should be moderated down.
Last time I checked, 1,1,2001 is odd...
The formula for odd numbers is 2*(n+.5)
N for 2001 = 100
N for 1 = 0
It may be the last one of the millenium, but not the last we will be alive to see. (At least I hope so!)
I like ZDTV much in the same way I like some of the more "out-there" religious programming.... you know like sc*ntology commericials, or "The Pagan Invasion"...(if anyone remembers that!)
It's funny and incredibly aggrevating at the same time.
And there is a pending request to ban the scientology organisation ... Let's hope scientology will be banned here.
Is this really what we want? The people who joing this cults tend to be 1) more intelligent than average, 2) very idealistic, 3) want to help solve the world's problems. [I'm going to have to a blanket reference here to The Margaret Singer Foundation hopefully still there, this has been found in several studies of former cult members.]
The individuals in a cult are not nescessarily evil or bad. Some of the things they do are evil because they are in essense brainwashed. In other words, the members aren't evil individually, collectively they can do a great deal of harm to other individuals and to communities, governments and so on.
But do we want to ban them? Do we want to cross the line that Hitler crossed?
If so, how do we prevent non-Cult religions from being banned because they practice "strange and bizarre rituals"? (mediation, chanting, ritualistic canabalism...{ahem}...and so on, an important question to myself, a Buddhist).
We need to reach a balance between preventing harm and religious tolerance.
Disclaimer: My brother started trancenet.org , a cult tracking website. He is the one who first raised these concerns to me.
Also, according to discussions I had with an anon scientologist in '95 I was declared an SP (suppressive person) sometime in '94-'95 due to my participation in alt.religion.scientology... but I have no confirming evidence...
(So if you are a scientologist, you are currently out-tech just by reading this post that is trying to be tolerant!)
If you object to their policies so much, then don't
run their client.
There are a million or so screen savers out there.
These people know what they are doing from a scientific standpoint, until we can approach them with a _ROCK_SOLID_ plan for how open sourcing would work, and a plan to prevent any contamination of data, they _aren't_ going to listen
to us. And they _shouldn't_!
In other words approach them with a working transmission protocol that immediately notifies the server if the code has been tampered with, or makes trapping such occurances trival. Someone above posted a method that I think might be a good start. However, I doubt if they would accept a random sampling of verifies, ideally every packet should be verified somehow.
This isn't a democracy folks, this is an attempt at a scientific study of one of the most important question in the world. One with implications for religion, philosophy, biology, physics, astronomy and almost every other field of human endevor.
If they choose to be a little conservative with _their_ code, it's _their_ proffesional ass on the line. OTHO if our screensaver or distributed client runs 10% faster, gee isn't that nice...
Out of a job, and a laughing stock compared to ooohhh look at the purty colors.
Sheesh, cut them a break.
Wow, ok I followed about 1/2 of that. I'm not a crypto guy (at all, my idea of an interesting book on crypto is Focault's Pendulum. Could someone else comment on this???
Does anyone know if ID is supporting non-Intel Linuxeseseses (oops, sorry there)? I'm running LinuxPPC, and probably won't have $$$ to get a decent Intel machine (other things in line first) until mid-to-late 2000. [I'm also trying to slowly phase out non-open source os's.]
I'm sure Alpha-Linux ans Sparc-Linux fans would really go for Quake also!
Just asking, thanks
RobK
So, if they released their source, bugs would magically appear?
No, but some dishonest programmer may try to either 1) hose the program because they think Seti is stupid or 2) try to fake data so s/he becomes "the person who discovered ET."
Let's not get all idealogical here folks, instead let's try and think of some way to identify suspect blocks and cope with them.
Then we can go to the Seti@Home folks with an entire plan, not just chanting the open source mantra.
Thank you. Reading your response made me realize that I was argueing the wrong battle. (I think my point still stands, but I'm not going to argue it any more).
(BTW, my Dharma name is Kongchong Thapkay which roughly translates as "Skillfull Means Of the Triple Gem." Guess I haven't been living up to it....)
Clearly dogmatism still runs rampant in both camps (Buddhism and Christanity). Is ignorance dualistic?
How was I being dogmatic? I don't understand...
All I said was that there were differences between the religions, which is true. I didn't say Christians where damned to hell or any such thing.
Rant+++
I used have a great deal of respect for VP. Gore. Before he started this campaign I was very pro-Gore (even having been pro-Gore when he ran in '88)
He may even get my vote this time, I'm not sure yet. But he has really gone down in my estimation. Between declaring his webpage "open-source," and claiming he "invented the internet." And then defending the claim with bald assertions.... I mean if he'd said "Well I was instruemental in getting the intial funding passed," that would have been fine, but saying "VP. Gore stands by his statement."
I guess what I'm trying to say is: "Hey, Al your handlers are making you look like a fool. Quit trying to be cool and be yourself... one of the most intelligent and thoughtful Democrats around. You do that, and you may actually make it to the election."
Sigh,
Rant--
RobK
I don't mean to start a flame war or anything, but there _are_ vast differences between the major religions. While they all seem to advocate similar behaviors, e.g. Don't be an *sshole. They reasons why you should follow that behaviour are very different (even amongst differing flavors of Christians ie Catholics=do good to go to Heaven, Calvinists=do good for the love of the Creator).
I was raised Catholic myself and found Buddhism about the age of 14 or so (I was never confirmed in the Catholic Church). But off the top of my head here are the differences between Catholism and Buddhism.
Catholic
God
Soul
Hell Forever
1 Life
Buddhist
No God(1)
No Soul(2)
Hell Temporary
Reincarnation
------------------------------------
(1) Buddhist are not required to believe in a God or gods (one of the big draws for me). We are explicitly told no to "take refuge" in God or gods.
(2) Anatta (no soul) is one of the central tenets of Buddhism, it states that there is no part of "Me" that abides forever, "I" am a different collection of causes and conditions then I was when I started writing this sentence.
I don't mean this as a flame or anthing, I just feel we should celebrate our diversity rather than force common ground.
I'm going to be a wet blanket and respond seriously to a funny post...
It's origin is highly speculative. Some Buddhists believe that it (along with all other Sutras) where written during the lifetime of the Buddha and hidden by the King of the Nagas "until the world was ready." (Nagas are intelligent water-snakes.)
Western scholars put the authorship of this and other sutra to around 2-400 years after the death of the Buddha (around 2,500+ years ago), and the location in Northern India.
This type of "license" was common amongst Buddhist writting, and some books by modern monks are realeased with similar statements at the begining. (However, they have a big ol' copyright at the begining.)
Note: I _am_ Buddhist (Tibetan Drikung Kagyu), and find the Diamond Sutra to be a powerful and beautiful statement of Buddhist belief.
Now little Timmy, I've told you before, just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean other people don't find it funny.
Keep up this behaviour and no dinner for you!
It's optional. I did a quick check out of M11 and
it popped up a little thing "Do you want to remember this password?" or some such.
I work with MS Windows (as a developer), and I am forced to use Outlook 2000 (by the company I'm at). If it hadn't seen this newsstory, I wouldn't have innoculated myself until the IT folks sent out a technical builiten... and that could be weeks. Thus for people in my situation, this is very helpful. Incase you didn't notice there are Linux, BSD, Mac, Amiga, Palm AND Windows folks here. That's what tolerating differences is all about.
/. are also system administrators who need to make stuff like this known to their (l)users, and be able to answer questions about the latest and greatest virus scare.
A lot of people on
Finally, this is news. This is the first (reported) email/web virus that doesn't require the user to actually run something. (Yes, viruses that didn't require execution existed before, but this one is the first (reported) web-virus.)