Trademarks aren't as easy as having your name ona piece of paper somewhere. A) They only apply to a specific area of products. The iPhone that Apple is marketting is significantly different than the iPhone Cisco owns the trademark to. B) They also expire rather easily. It could be argued that Cisco's lack of current products under that mark makes it invalid. This is what I expect Apple will try to argue. Personally, I wish they had handled it amicably before Macworld. This does not make them hypocritical for protecting their investments, however. Two very very different cases.
One pixel is not enough to differentiate and create a derivative work. Legally they are in the wrong, as well as morally. If I had designed the icons to see them ripped off like that, I would be furious, and rightfully so.
I'm certainly not an expert on the subject, but I tend to blame the low tech and hazardous medium of the attack for the extraneous casualties and not so much that they don't have a set target in mind. Considering that they are giving their lives to the attack, I tend to think it's not done completely haphazard.
Still, I am thankful that they don't have more "efficient" weapons. I just wish the inefficient ones weren't so messy.
In an ideal world, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and innocent people wouldn't be dying at all.
A few points - 1. Are we sure a publicly available imagery program is their only source of info, and 2. While it may help hide some details, won't we be showing what areas we consider important by blacking them out. That just tells them where to hit us that would REALLY hurt us. My opinion, maybe we should alter our deployments and base structures more often if we are concerned with this type of attack. This has the side benefit of showing us even more clearly where they get all of their information, as we can study where they attack - and what information is available that would lead them to attack there. I feel that we are being shortsighted in thinking they are only getting this info from google.
As a disclaimer : I'm not a military general, so as fun as theory and strategy can be to think about, I am talking out of my ass. All of my relevant experience comes from RTS games.
I hate to nitpick, but I fail to see how "indiscriminately" is the same as retaliating against what they see as(and arguably are*) foreign, hostile, and invading forces.
*Feel free to insert your own opinion here. Personally, I think if a force invaded my country to replace my way of life, I might feel the need to fight back.
Yeah, I hate it when software helps me manage things instead of making me do them myself. I never understood people wanting to manually handle their media files instead of using the assorted metadata that is alread associated with them.
Oh well, there is an offering for both camps - use what makes you happy, just don't assume those of us that like something different are under some oppressive regime.
Vanilla MP3s automatically sorted and updated via smart playlists using extensive metadata and copied to a slick little nano for me, and all in less clicks than it takes you to open your file manager. Enjoy.
Exactly, I can point at any OS and say "Hey, I bet there's a security issue there". I can also promise you that if a researcher with talent and skill looks at it, they will find one. This does not mean that I've found a vulnerability, only that I can state the obvious. Maynor and Ellch have lost all credibility as far as I, and many others, are concerned. They behaved in an irresponsible and unprofessional manner, and I don't think I'll be able to trust any information they release in the future because of this publicity grabbing stunt. If you want to work in this type of field, you can't make fantastic claims and then back out on providing proof if you want to be taken seriously. On a sidenote: I also think having them on this list is an insult to the others that are included.
Did you actually try to spin their inability to offer any new functionality or innovation in 5 years as a plus? What the hell kind of bizarro world do you live in?
While I don't have hard numbers to back it up, I would wager that 30% of hardware sales is a greater amount of money than the potential 98% of software sales, even to a wider audience. That's not even taking into account continued revenue from hardware upgrades versus software upgrades. I would guess that the non-geek population replaces their machines more often than they do their OS.
The reason Jobs got rid of the 3rd party manufacturers is because it was cannibalizing their own sales. It almost put them out of business the first time, and the prospects look about the same if they entered that arena again. Please explain how Apple bankrupting themselves is good for Mac users.
Ok, I've already replied to one of your other awful metaphors, and I promised I wouldn't be baited into another one, but damn man... that was really bad. "So what then.....if my neighbor leaves his bright red sportscar with the door open and the keys in it, then all those photons of light that are bouncing off of it and onto my property and into my eyes are an invitation to get in it and take it for a drive?" Well no... of course not, the problem with your metaphor is it STILL isn't taking into account the fact that an open AP, by its very nature, broadcasts an INVITATION TO CONNECT. Read that sentence again for me. If your hypothetical neighbor did all that you mentioned, and then posted a sign on his car saying "Hey, I'm for everyone, wanna go for a ride?" then maybe. I would also argue that it would probably be ok to take it in that case as well. If you have a wireless network open, without even minimal security, you are implying permission to all wifi devices around to connect. If you are broadcasting something of yours into public airspace, you DO have some responsibility to secure it.
I am so sick of people actually thinking this is an apt metaphor for joining a wireless network. How about this : If you find some way to bend space and broadcast your sofa into my living room, I may indeed decide its a decent spot for sitting.
It's the "even if" in that statement that gets me. They dont' release fast patches. Unless it's to a hole in their DRM scheme, of course, they have to satisfy their REAL customers.
Exactly, lets have all of our new hacks spill out of the CSS files and into our HTML/XHTML markup. Yet again, Microsoft gives the finger to developers.
Good point, good point... but why can't they do this with the security patches that are just as small then? I mean, sure, some of the patches may require billions of lines of code and touch every product in their lineup, but I have a hard time believing they all do. In fact, I would be shocked if there weren't quite a few of them that are easier to repair, once the vulnerability is known, than this was. I don't want the "monthly rollouts were requested by corporate customers" line, either... Even if they were - there is no reason to not release them to those that want them earlier, as well as a monthly package.
As far as the macbook pro's go - my understanding on the firewire 800 issue was space constraints. The intel chipsets they use didn't have the option of integrated FW800, so it would mean the addition of extra hardware to provide for it, which they didn't have room for in the smaller models. I think they try to support it in the higher end machines, but don't worry as much about the lower models as FW800 really isn't used on consumer level products. I'm actually somewhat surprised to see it appear on the new imac.
Entertainment or not, it is forcefed to children all over this great nation, and all over the world. The violence and horrors it contains are NEVER called into question, all the while the children are told to take it seriously. We tell them not to take games seriously, but people worry about their content. The bible is a much more frightening thing to be raised by, in my mind.
Don't know how far along this is yet (appears to be quite new)... but it looks like other people want to see Safari on windows : http://www.getwebkit.org/
Thank you, I needed a poster child for for the apathy our country is showing in defending the liberties and freedoms we fought so hard to attain. By the way... Do you see any correlation of the criminalization of daily civil activites that are occurring? DMCA, Patriot Act, etc types of restrictions... Do you think the progression towards that type of restrictive lifestyle is going to reverse on it's own? Ok, so - with that in mind - it is easier and easier to label pretty much anyone a criminal, these days and getting worse. Next, firm documentation that you did the "illegal" act in question (wiretapping, etc -check). If everyone is a criminal, there is no one left to challenge the incumbent authorities. Wiretapping alone, while I still wouldn't want it, isn't the evil. The evil is behind all of these connected events that you so naively think could never come back to haunt you, or one of your loved ones. But don't worry, keep your chin up, YOU haven't done anything wrong have you? No, of course not. None of your friends and family have either, right? So when our rights to criticize our government go out the window, at least you'll be sleeping easy. Safe from terrorists and communists and any other 'ists' the administration deems the proper scapegoat to further their own agendas. For what it's worth, I have nothing to hide either, my life is pretty much an open book. For anyone I care to share it with, that is - and that just so happens to not include the NSA.
Wow. This is certainly the most shortsighted moronic post I have ever read on Slashdot. I truly hope I just missed the sarcasm. Or no, maybe you want to start repeating other mistakes the US Government has made? I'm becoming less and less sure that we aren't actually the terrorists in this whole affair. (Not to imply that there aren't some bad men doing bad things over seas, just that we don't seem to be much better, and in some cases, actually worse.)
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Trademarks aren't as easy as having your name ona piece of paper somewhere. A) They only apply to a specific area of products. The iPhone that Apple is marketting is significantly different than the iPhone Cisco owns the trademark to. B) They also expire rather easily. It could be argued that Cisco's lack of current products under that mark makes it invalid. This is what I expect Apple will try to argue.
Personally, I wish they had handled it amicably before Macworld. This does not make them hypocritical for protecting their investments, however. Two very very different cases.
Someone with mod points, please mod the parent post up.
One pixel is not enough to differentiate and create a derivative work. Legally they are in the wrong, as well as morally. If I had designed the icons to see them ripped off like that, I would be furious, and rightfully so.
I'm certainly not an expert on the subject, but I tend to blame the low tech and hazardous medium of the attack for the extraneous casualties and not so much that they don't have a set target in mind. Considering that they are giving their lives to the attack, I tend to think it's not done completely haphazard.
Still, I am thankful that they don't have more "efficient" weapons. I just wish the inefficient ones weren't so messy.
In an ideal world, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and innocent people wouldn't be dying at all.
A few points - 1. Are we sure a publicly available imagery program is their only source of info, and 2. While it may help hide some details, won't we be showing what areas we consider important by blacking them out. That just tells them where to hit us that would REALLY hurt us.
My opinion, maybe we should alter our deployments and base structures more often if we are concerned with this type of attack. This has the side benefit of showing us even more clearly where they get all of their information, as we can study where they attack - and what information is available that would lead them to attack there. I feel that we are being shortsighted in thinking they are only getting this info from google.
As a disclaimer : I'm not a military general, so as fun as theory and strategy can be to think about, I am talking out of my ass. All of my relevant experience comes from RTS games.
I hate to nitpick, but I fail to see how "indiscriminately" is the same as retaliating against what they see as(and arguably are*) foreign, hostile, and invading forces.
*Feel free to insert your own opinion here. Personally, I think if a force invaded my country to replace my way of life, I might feel the need to fight back.
While you are correct about the module being present, it is not currently enabled on any Apple hardware.
Out of curiosity, do you have any way to substantiate that claim, or are you just talking out of your ass?
Yeah, I hate it when software helps me manage things instead of making me do them myself. I never understood people wanting to manually handle their media files instead of using the assorted metadata that is alread associated with them.
Oh well, there is an offering for both camps - use what makes you happy, just don't assume those of us that like something different are under some oppressive regime.
Vanilla MP3s automatically sorted and updated via smart playlists using extensive metadata and copied to a slick little nano for me, and all in less clicks than it takes you to open your file manager. Enjoy.
Exactly, I can point at any OS and say "Hey, I bet there's a security issue there". I can also promise you that if a researcher with talent and skill looks at it, they will find one. This does not mean that I've found a vulnerability, only that I can state the obvious.
Maynor and Ellch have lost all credibility as far as I, and many others, are concerned. They behaved in an irresponsible and unprofessional manner, and I don't think I'll be able to trust any information they release in the future because of this publicity grabbing stunt.
If you want to work in this type of field, you can't make fantastic claims and then back out on providing proof if you want to be taken seriously.
On a sidenote: I also think having them on this list is an insult to the others that are included.
Did you actually try to spin their inability to offer any new functionality or innovation in 5 years as a plus?
What the hell kind of bizarro world do you live in?
While I don't have hard numbers to back it up, I would wager that 30% of hardware sales is a greater amount of money than the potential 98% of software sales, even to a wider audience.
That's not even taking into account continued revenue from hardware upgrades versus software upgrades. I would guess that the non-geek population replaces their machines more often than they do their OS.
The reason Jobs got rid of the 3rd party manufacturers is because it was cannibalizing their own sales. It almost put them out of business the first time, and the prospects look about the same if they entered that arena again. Please explain how Apple bankrupting themselves is good for Mac users.
Ok, I've already replied to one of your other awful metaphors, and I promised I wouldn't be baited into another one, but damn man... that was really bad.
"So what then.....if my neighbor leaves his bright red sportscar with the door open and the keys in it, then all those photons of light that are bouncing off of it and onto my property and into my eyes are an invitation to get in it and take it for a drive?"
Well no... of course not, the problem with your metaphor is it STILL isn't taking into account the fact that an open AP, by its very nature, broadcasts an INVITATION TO CONNECT. Read that sentence again for me. If your hypothetical neighbor did all that you mentioned, and then posted a sign on his car saying "Hey, I'm for everyone, wanna go for a ride?" then maybe. I would also argue that it would probably be ok to take it in that case as well.
If you have a wireless network open, without even minimal security, you are implying permission to all wifi devices around to connect. If you are broadcasting something of yours into public airspace, you DO have some responsibility to secure it.
I am so sick of people actually thinking this is an apt metaphor for joining a wireless network.
How about this : If you find some way to bend space and broadcast your sofa into my living room, I may indeed decide its a decent spot for sitting.
It's the "even if" in that statement that gets me. They dont' release fast patches. Unless it's to a hole in their DRM scheme, of course, they have to satisfy their REAL customers.
Exactly, lets have all of our new hacks spill out of the CSS files and into our HTML/XHTML markup. Yet again, Microsoft gives the finger to developers.
Good point, good point... but why can't they do this with the security patches that are just as small then? I mean, sure, some of the patches may require billions of lines of code and touch every product in their lineup, but I have a hard time believing they all do. In fact, I would be shocked if there weren't quite a few of them that are easier to repair, once the vulnerability is known, than this was.
I don't want the "monthly rollouts were requested by corporate customers" line, either... Even if they were - there is no reason to not release them to those that want them earlier, as well as a monthly package.
As far as the macbook pro's go - my understanding on the firewire 800 issue was space constraints. The intel chipsets they use didn't have the option of integrated FW800, so it would mean the addition of extra hardware to provide for it, which they didn't have room for in the smaller models.
I think they try to support it in the higher end machines, but don't worry as much about the lower models as FW800 really isn't used on consumer level products. I'm actually somewhat surprised to see it appear on the new imac.
I dunno, my black Nano was the same cost as the white one...
Entertainment or not, it is forcefed to children all over this great nation, and all over the world. The violence and horrors it contains are NEVER called into question, all the while the children are told to take it seriously. We tell them not to take games seriously, but people worry about their content.
The bible is a much more frightening thing to be raised by, in my mind.
Don't know how far along this is yet (appears to be quite new)... but it looks like other people want to see Safari on windows :
http://www.getwebkit.org/
Thank you, I needed a poster child for for the apathy our country is showing in defending the liberties and freedoms we fought so hard to attain.
By the way... Do you see any correlation of the criminalization of daily civil activites that are occurring? DMCA, Patriot Act, etc types of restrictions... Do you think the progression towards that type of restrictive lifestyle is going to reverse on it's own?
Ok, so - with that in mind - it is easier and easier to label pretty much anyone a criminal, these days and getting worse. Next, firm documentation that you did the "illegal" act in question (wiretapping, etc -check).
If everyone is a criminal, there is no one left to challenge the incumbent authorities.
Wiretapping alone, while I still wouldn't want it, isn't the evil. The evil is behind all of these connected events that you so naively think could never come back to haunt you, or one of your loved ones.
But don't worry, keep your chin up, YOU haven't done anything wrong have you? No, of course not. None of your friends and family have either, right?
So when our rights to criticize our government go out the window, at least you'll be sleeping easy. Safe from terrorists and communists and any other 'ists' the administration deems the proper scapegoat to further their own agendas.
For what it's worth, I have nothing to hide either, my life is pretty much an open book. For anyone I care to share it with, that is - and that just so happens to not include the NSA.
Don't worry, Slashdot has built in precautions against that. They aren't dupes, they are reminders.
Wow. This is certainly the most shortsighted moronic post I have ever read on Slashdot. I truly hope I just missed the sarcasm. Or no, maybe you want to start repeating other mistakes the US Government has made? I'm becoming less and less sure that we aren't actually the terrorists in this whole affair. (Not to imply that there aren't some bad men doing bad things over seas, just that we don't seem to be much better, and in some cases, actually worse.)