You imply that if they were allowed to the type of profits required to do this research... that they would actually do this research. I suspect, rather, that they would simply return it to their investors and release "record profits" announcements quarterly while buying off legislators to continue doing what they have been.
I think you mean "a dictatorial autocratic oligarchic country." Or something like that, possibly proto-fascist considering how closely linked their corporations and government officials are. China isn't communist by any stretch of the imagination, and the spying and censorship is purely for the purpose of keeping The Party in power, whatever the cost to the people.
Yup, because they can't risk having the Big Bad US Government overthrow the People's Republic. The Chinese people would never (dare) resist or oppose their benevolent, self-sacrificing government.
Also, do you know of any specific backdoors, or are you just assuming that security holes are deliberate backdoors?
Umm, devil's advocate: why can't the 4-year-old girl be considered a terror suspect?
Because she passed through the metal detector without setting it off. What's she supposed to have on her?
I mean, once we start saying things like "well she can't be a terrorist, she's a grandmother!" or "she can't be a terrorist, she's just a 4-year-old girl!" aren't we essentially letting the world know that these are the loopholes that can allow you to get past the TSA?
Just saying "well someone MIGHT be a terrorist" is a pathetic justification for performing intrusive, pointless searches and carrying out abuses of false authority.
Do I think the 4-year-old girl was a terrorist? No. Do I think it's impossible though? No.
Is it exceedingly unlikely? Yes. The past decade with the TSA accomplishing nothing has born that out.
is it completely unreasonable to pat down people who don't fit a terrorist stereotype? No.
Yes. Everything the TSA does now is completely unreasonable, and accomplishes shit. Especially the circumstances described. Fuck you for playing "devil's advocate."
People do care and do remember, because their OS monopoly is what allowed them to gain a browser monopoly and set the web back several years. They did leverage their position to ensure that non-Microsoft OSes were not distributed on OEM PCs, particularly BeOS which they threatened HP over.
As someone with a very basic understanding of plugins (we have a custom toolbar we roll out with internal apps and links) I can tell you it is an issue. As an add-on developer you have to build into the toolbar "this add-on is good for FF versions x through y" that is in an xml file required for the toolbar to run. So you as a developer have 2 options you can say that your toolbar will work with version 1 through 999999 and just hope that a firefox update really doesn't ever break your add-on OR you can update it with every release ensuring that it works with the new version and require your users / (admins in corp environment) to update the add-on every time. Both of the above options have there drawbacks.
And if your addon breaks for someone on the release channel, I have to wonder why you aren't following the beta or aurora channels, possibly even nightly if you feel like being way ahead of the curve.
None of the good, well maintained addons I use have ever broken, despite my sitting on nightly. There's no real excuse that I can see, except perhaps laziness.
wouldn't you be able to tell whether gold came from an Asteroid or from Terra Firma?
Unlikely, considering that gold doesn't like to react chemically with other materials. Once you smelt it, most of the impurities tend to be driven out rather quickly. Contrast this with diamonds, which are graded based upon their impurities and size and are simply cut from their original shape.
You do exactly what is being done now: Shift from a trade surplus to a trade deficit as you start buying ridiculous amounts of oil to compensate for the massive loss of generating capacity. On top of power shortages.
Copyright does not give creators the "right to monetize their creations," it gives them a limited duration (hah) in which they can control duplication and redistribution of their work. Louis C.K. monetized his creation in the way he saw fit and it paid off handsomely. It might not have turned into many many millions of dollars, but it turned a healthy profit, sans DRM and other industry pushed bullshit.
Fuck you, Al Perry. You're deliberately blind to his success because it points out that you're completely wrong.
That's meaningless for the problem at hand, which is that Google's own store is being used as a vector for malware. Google pressing a bit harder on app developers to prevent their store being a hazardous place would have no impact on the openness of the platform.
Oh look, its a FOSSie, aka basement troll. How's the koolaid, is it cherry?
Quick! Resort to the ad-hominem because you have nothing else!
be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it and that is showing that one of the largest OEMs on the planet can't keep your craptastic OS running without having to do their own fricking fork!
Ah yes, Dell fails completely to supply proper drivers for their hardware when shipping an OS and it's the OS's fault. Not that the GPU in the system uses a closed driver and Dell completely forgot to include it in the platform.
This is why a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks
And Microsoft placed a lot of unilateral restrictions on what could be put on netbooks. Never mind that Microsoft is a monopoly and is guaranteed to sell. But again, ASUS did a shit job setting up Linux on their netbooks and as a result it ran like crap.
Nice thing about having the truth on your side instead of religious dogma, i can do this alllll day long!
Nah, you can just post to weak articles about incompetent vendors not doing for Linux what they do for Windows, and being shocked when it fails. Just like when they all get schooled in the mobile space by Apple.
And how about that "great" Linux security that is supposed to be why we should put up with all this horseshit? Get ready, here they come!
Fucking troll.
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Is someone paying you to post this ancient crap?
Kinda makes that koolaid just a little bitter now, don't it?
No, it just reveals you for the idiot you are.
BTW if you'd like a little more food for thought, what OS was 3 of the 4 CAs running that were compromised? take a look and see. Maybe they just had bad configs?
Or there was a zero day security flaw. Those exist for your beloved Windows and OS X as well. They are all eventually patched, and as we know security is a Process and not a product.
But no, you aren't here to post reasonable things. You're here to post hate and FUD.
You didn't make one. You spouted some vague accusation and moved on, requiring us to implicitly accept that you are somehow right.
I live having problems with libraries that change the way they work (breaking that depends on them)
Libraries generally don't change on a whim, unless you're pulling the sources from trunk and building them manually.
or the new version nows depend on obscure libraries (many betas, or even alphas) that seems that only the developer of then can make it work.
Can you even cite one example of this, since you apparently run across it so frequently?
And this is FUD? Only in your planet I think.
It's FUD because I hear very general, vague statements that try to cast a shadow over the use of FOSS projects, but not once have I seen you present a concrete example of the problem you're describing.
I'm typing this on a circa 2004 Sempron that was traded in by a customer that I decided to keep because it makes a great nettop. its the same install, that is 8 years with ZERO driver or program breakage. and nooo, it doesn't have any "super sekret magic invisible" malware because this customer followed my advice and practiced basic safe computing, like not downloading crap programs from dodgy sources or opening email attachements. So how much more solid do you need?
Who the fuck are you replying to? TheDarkMaster is practically fellating you.
as a long term Linux advocate told me when I asked why he was going to buy a Mac "Its not getting better. things get 80% there and then someone gets an itch and its all thrown out and they start over, its just never getting any closer to finished" and sadly he is correct.
Unsubstantiated FUD that is at best hearsay.
I hate to wish ill on anyone and truly hope he lives a long life but i have a feeling that after Torvalds breathes his last
Except you wish ill on Torvalds, apparently. Cause you don't express regret at doing something... unless you're gonna do it.
they will quietly put in an ABI (because the religious argument doesn't hold as many ALREADY only offer binary blobs, so having a broken driver subsystem obviously isn't forcing them to follow the GPL way) and people will be amazed when so many problems just disappear. Until then I can say its just not a usable system for consumers, its just not there.
Problems won't disappear. Like now with the closed drivers, the problems will continue to exist and just be unfixable.
Have you tried updating - in my most recent desktop case - the X server?
Why? Did you have a good reason to?
I assumed I could, only do discover that I will need to update the whole distro and it would cause me a world of other issues.
Right, which is why you don't generally fuck with the core libraries of the system unless you absolutely have to and are willing to deal with the resulting conflicts. Care to mention why you felt the need to upgrade the X server, and how you decided to try doing so?
Cause I know you can't arbitrarily upgrade random core components in Windows.
Oh look, you decided to continue threadshitting. One vague response to another.
But here is why i get so much hatred from the loonie section of the FOSS gallery, because i speak for the consumers.
No you don't.
now if YOU, a qualified admin with i'm sure years of experience, can't upgrade because the breakage would cost too much downtime and loss of functionality....what about the consumers who don't have your skillset?
Aside from vague accusations of "breakage" (you're always vague in your FUD), what specific problems have you encountered? What mission critical systems are you running that need to constantly be upgraded in ways that risk breakage? Why are you not following proper procedure before upgrades and putting production hardware at risk?
what about the consumers who don't have your skillset? who in the FOSS community speaks for them? sadly nobody which is why i get such hate.
Because you're bullshitting and ignoring the obvious problem of the fact that the platform would need someone to invest time and attention into a solution that works best for those users, but it's pointless with the Microsoft and Apple duopoly in the desktop space. It's just not worth it.
To steal a line from FMJ the FOSSie section has completely deluded themselves into thinking "Inside every Suzy the checkout girl is a C coder or Bash programmer just waiting to get out!" and that is complete and total horseshit.
Yeah, but you're the only person I see making that statement and losing your shit over it.
The average consumer, the ones they will HAVE TO GET if they are gonna ever end up anything more than a geeker toy like Haiku,1.- simply do NOT have the skillset to do a step by step troubleshoot, 2.- many do NOT have a completely separate computer (which would have to be running Windows or OSX if you think this thing through logically, because if say the upgrade from Ubuntu leapin Lizard to maniac monkey broke one computer it can just as easily break two) with which to "Google for fixes" for when the upgrade craps all over them, 3.-Do NOT have the intimate knowledge required to even hunt the forums for fixes, because thanks to Torvalds unstable as hell driver model you often have to be VERY specific when it comes to make/rev/firmware of the device broken, and finally 4.-Do NOT have the ability to dissect the code that is given to them because unlike the total lie the crazy section pushes you often HAVE to "tweak" said fixes because they were written for hardware A, rev B, firmware C and you have hardware C, rev G, firmware R and again the slightest thing off and it isn't gonna do shit! Hell a single spelling error or not starting or ending the copypasta in just the perfect spot can shit all over the thing!
Hey look, it's hairyfeet stating the obvious in a way to spread the most FUD he can. That and spread more insane FOSS hatred around.
So I'm sorry but Linux is completely unusable by a good 90% of the population.
Sorry, this is yet another unsubstantiated statement backed only by your mad ranting and no hard evidence.
i often get bitched at by the FOSSies because i refuse to carry their product in my shop
Well, it's a good thing FOSS doesn't need a shop to carry it.
but the only damned way their OS will "work" is if I give away free lifetime support AND keep a bunch of spares on hand so they can have a loaner while i wait the sometimes two weeks or more before a fix to a particular piece of hardware is even released!
Hey look, someone runs a worthless computer shop. But of course you'd be a paragon, a veritable font of knowledge regarding Linux and FOSS as a whole. Or maybe you're just a crazed troll.
Hey look, the hate appears again. Lies and bullshit all over the place, with haters to mod you up.
You HAVE the source for linux and still can't fix the driver issues that have plagued it to this very day!
What driver? Can you point to the one you're referring to?
Every forum, pick your distro, on EVERY upgrade gets "update foo broke" followed by a list of sometimes HUNDREDS of things!
Unsubstantiated HYPERBOLE!
Hell Dell has to run their own damned fork because even on the teeny tiny subset of devices they offer Linux on they STILL can't promise using the default repo some kernel dev won't get a bug in his ass and break shit.
More bullshit!
When you show me a SINGLE distro, just one mind you, that not using any tricks can be updated from...oh lets say the 2005 release to current with ZERO breakage then you will have a valid argument.
Not even Windows can do that, unless you don't touch a damn thing. If you use it, good fucking luck.
Now cue the batshit FOSSies that make the whole community look like nutters to call me a "dirty M$ Ninja robot poo poo head" and try to asspull some amazing excuse that handwaves the entire Linux drivers and docs issues away.
Oh, but if anyone calls you on your terrible, shitfilled rant then you're TOTALLY JUSTIFIED and RIGHT in your statements! You are immune to criticism and are always right!
No, sorry, you're full of shit and your arguments in this retarded little rant are utter and complete garbage.
I swear that while there are many in the FOSS community that is very intelligent and can do frankly amazing things with code the batshit loonie fringe just seems to get louder and more numerous as Linux rolls on.
And then you go off on idiotic rants like this that paint you as being an equally "batshit loonie."
Frankly I would laugh my ass off watching the community try to deal with the bazillion and one half ass hacked up drivers that run on XP.
Yeah, shitty drivers suck.
I bet trying to find really good coders that understand low level drivers and can truly get a handle on this giant ancient mess of code must be like trying to find heart surgeons willing to spend their days cleaning the shit out of impacted colons.
The vast majority of drivers involved in this shit isn't hard to maintain or work on, it's just closed source and run by companies completely unwilling to move out of their old, static business models.
But hey, we're letting reasonable discussion get in the way of RIDICULOUS HYPERBOLE AND A STREAM OF BULLSHIT!
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You imply that if they were allowed to the type of profits required to do this research... that they would actually do this research. I suspect, rather, that they would simply return it to their investors and release "record profits" announcements quarterly while buying off legislators to continue doing what they have been.
Communists nothing, Microsoft and Apple both want this as well.
I think you mean "a dictatorial autocratic oligarchic country." Or something like that, possibly proto-fascist considering how closely linked their corporations and government officials are. China isn't communist by any stretch of the imagination, and the spying and censorship is purely for the purpose of keeping The Party in power, whatever the cost to the people.
Yup, because they can't risk having the Big Bad US Government overthrow the People's Republic. The Chinese people would never (dare) resist or oppose their benevolent, self-sacrificing government.
Also, do you know of any specific backdoors, or are you just assuming that security holes are deliberate backdoors?
Because she passed through the metal detector without setting it off. What's she supposed to have on her?
Just saying "well someone MIGHT be a terrorist" is a pathetic justification for performing intrusive, pointless searches and carrying out abuses of false authority.
Is it exceedingly unlikely? Yes. The past decade with the TSA accomplishing nothing has born that out.
Yes. Everything the TSA does now is completely unreasonable, and accomplishes shit. Especially the circumstances described. Fuck you for playing "devil's advocate."
People do care and do remember, because their OS monopoly is what allowed them to gain a browser monopoly and set the web back several years. They did leverage their position to ensure that non-Microsoft OSes were not distributed on OEM PCs, particularly BeOS which they threatened HP over.
Please don't shill for Microsoft.
Unfortunately, due to Poe's Law (or whatever reciprocal exists for fanboys) I cannot discern if this post is just satire or if it's dead serious.
And if your addon breaks for someone on the release channel, I have to wonder why you aren't following the beta or aurora channels, possibly even nightly if you feel like being way ahead of the curve.
None of the good, well maintained addons I use have ever broken, despite my sitting on nightly. There's no real excuse that I can see, except perhaps laziness.
Unlikely, considering that gold doesn't like to react chemically with other materials. Once you smelt it, most of the impurities tend to be driven out rather quickly. Contrast this with diamonds, which are graded based upon their impurities and size and are simply cut from their original shape.
That's pretty authoritarian for a "libertarian" platform.
Basically, suffering a considerable amount of economic damage for no good reason.
You do exactly what is being done now: Shift from a trade surplus to a trade deficit as you start buying ridiculous amounts of oil to compensate for the massive loss of generating capacity. On top of power shortages.
Copyright does not give creators the "right to monetize their creations," it gives them a limited duration (hah) in which they can control duplication and redistribution of their work. Louis C.K. monetized his creation in the way he saw fit and it paid off handsomely. It might not have turned into many many millions of dollars, but it turned a healthy profit, sans DRM and other industry pushed bullshit.
Fuck you, Al Perry. You're deliberately blind to his success because it points out that you're completely wrong.
Maybe if the SoC on the Raspberry Pi was from Qualcomm and not Broadcom.
That's meaningless for the problem at hand, which is that Google's own store is being used as a vector for malware. Google pressing a bit harder on app developers to prevent their store being a hazardous place would have no impact on the openness of the platform.
Quick! Resort to the ad-hominem because you have nothing else!
Ah yes, Dell fails completely to supply proper drivers for their hardware when shipping an OS and it's the OS's fault. Not that the GPU in the system uses a closed driver and Dell completely forgot to include it in the platform.
And Microsoft placed a lot of unilateral restrictions on what could be put on netbooks. Never mind that Microsoft is a monopoly and is guaranteed to sell. But again, ASUS did a shit job setting up Linux on their netbooks and as a result it ran like crap.
Nah, you can just post to weak articles about incompetent vendors not doing for Linux what they do for Windows, and being shocked when it fails. Just like when they all get schooled in the mobile space by Apple.
Fucking troll.
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2011-10-06
Is someone paying you to post this ancient crap?
No, it just reveals you for the idiot you are.
Or there was a zero day security flaw. Those exist for your beloved Windows and OS X as well. They are all eventually patched, and as we know security is a Process and not a product.
But no, you aren't here to post reasonable things. You're here to post hate and FUD.
I see you are unable to see my point.
You didn't make one. You spouted some vague accusation and moved on, requiring us to implicitly accept that you are somehow right.
Libraries generally don't change on a whim, unless you're pulling the sources from trunk and building them manually.
Can you even cite one example of this, since you apparently run across it so frequently?
It's FUD because I hear very general, vague statements that try to cast a shadow over the use of FOSS projects, but not once have I seen you present a concrete example of the problem you're describing.
Who the fuck are you replying to? TheDarkMaster is practically fellating you.
Unsubstantiated FUD that is at best hearsay.
Except you wish ill on Torvalds, apparently. Cause you don't express regret at doing something... unless you're gonna do it.
Problems won't disappear. Like now with the closed drivers, the problems will continue to exist and just be unfixable.
Why? Did you have a good reason to?
Right, which is why you don't generally fuck with the core libraries of the system unless you absolutely have to and are willing to deal with the resulting conflicts. Care to mention why you felt the need to upgrade the X server, and how you decided to try doing so?
Cause I know you can't arbitrarily upgrade random core components in Windows.
So it looks like hairyfeet and TheDarkMaster decided to tag-team on the FUD.
Thankfully, they don't!
Oh look, you decided to continue threadshitting. One vague response to another.
No you don't.
Aside from vague accusations of "breakage" (you're always vague in your FUD), what specific problems have you encountered? What mission critical systems are you running that need to constantly be upgraded in ways that risk breakage? Why are you not following proper procedure before upgrades and putting production hardware at risk?
Because you're bullshitting and ignoring the obvious problem of the fact that the platform would need someone to invest time and attention into a solution that works best for those users, but it's pointless with the Microsoft and Apple duopoly in the desktop space. It's just not worth it.
To steal a line from FMJ the FOSSie section has completely deluded themselves into thinking "Inside every Suzy the checkout girl is a C coder or Bash programmer just waiting to get out!" and that is complete and total horseshit.
Yeah, but you're the only person I see making that statement and losing your shit over it.
Hey look, it's hairyfeet stating the obvious in a way to spread the most FUD he can. That and spread more insane FOSS hatred around.
Sorry, this is yet another unsubstantiated statement backed only by your mad ranting and no hard evidence.
Well, it's a good thing FOSS doesn't need a shop to carry it.
Hey look, someone runs a worthless computer shop. But of course you'd be a paragon, a veritable font of knowledge regarding Linux and FOSS as a whole. Or maybe you're just a crazed troll.
Maybe you should pay for support?
People who are doing things as they will aren't likely to cater to your demands.
Hey look, the hate appears again. Lies and bullshit all over the place, with haters to mod you up.
What driver? Can you point to the one you're referring to?
Unsubstantiated HYPERBOLE!
More bullshit!
Not even Windows can do that, unless you don't touch a damn thing. If you use it, good fucking luck.
Oh, but if anyone calls you on your terrible, shitfilled rant then you're TOTALLY JUSTIFIED and RIGHT in your statements! You are immune to criticism and are always right!
No, sorry, you're full of shit and your arguments in this retarded little rant are utter and complete garbage.
And then you go off on idiotic rants like this that paint you as being an equally "batshit loonie."
Yeah, shitty drivers suck.
The vast majority of drivers involved in this shit isn't hard to maintain or work on, it's just closed source and run by companies completely unwilling to move out of their old, static business models.
But hey, we're letting reasonable discussion get in the way of RIDICULOUS HYPERBOLE AND A STREAM OF BULLSHIT!
I'm pretty sure that if they can create trouble for Mozilla, which will quickly result in an antitrust complaint, they can create trouble for Webkit.