The thing is, unless Linux and MacOS becomes much slower there will be a big performance benefit of running applications on other OS than Vista. For gaming performance is everything and i suspect many will hang on to XP for dear life just because of that. With Windows 98 it was a different thing because the performance was outweight by the fact the computer crashed a lot.
Linux has actually gotten faster in recent years. Its some of the cross platform applications that suck power. Both Gnome and KDE is fast compared to Vista.
You also talk about Windows 2000 when infact most users upgraded from Windows 98. You cant really compare an upgrade from Windows 98 to XP to one from XP to Vista. While XP delivered increased stability compared to 98 Vista brings nothing at all to the table compared to XP. Its just dog-awful slow and incompatible with everything from hardware to games and other software.
Thanks to the monopoly Microsoft will be able to cram Vista down peoples throats no doubt. Its just getting harder and harder and more and more people stop bending over and like it.
Its not a Windows PC so it wont run windows apps. Well go figure, it would not be a low cost PC if the specs had been enough to satisfy Vista and the Microsoft OEM-tax was added to the price.
The gPC is more than suitable for what most people use their computer for theese days. Almost anything people do is done inside a browser.
The PC market is more than enough matured to divest itself into niche markets like the gPC where you only aim for a specific application and not everything and the kitchen sink.
When i recently bought a new computer i cought myself thinking "-I dont in any way need this horsepower for what i do". The gPC would have been more than enough for my needs as it would to most peoples needs.
The thing is that the writer assumes that a computer should cater every possible need in existance while most people just want something that does their specific need, and cheaply.
You know a couple of people running Vista? Thats much more interesting because every single soul i know have switched back to XP or started using Linux.
The people you know seems like real MS fanbois if they still run Vista.
The real problem is that its possible to just click on random stuff from mail, on the web and in IM clients and it gets installed. Because its such a big source of malware it shouldnt be done at all really. Many malware uses defects in browsers and OS and Antivirus is not a solution at all to those problems. Its not even bandaid then.
What i would like to see is Microsoft shipping a Windows version thats fairly secure out of the box. Then and only then Antivirus becomes something useful as a second added security layer. As it is now when it is the only security layer it doesnt work. Shipping Antivirus with Windows as Microsoft does is not a good solution but rather a recognition that they are not capable of delivering a fairly secure OS at all.
If users gets infected a lot by clicking the wrong things the sane thing would be to disable that function or atleast make it more safe. Like demand for example that a site that installs software is trusted by a third party.
Its pretty funny that Novell cant make their products work against AD. They have this agreement with Microsoft and it sure looks like pure vapour.
Samba seems the only way that Novell can make for example Open Enterprise work as an AD controller. This is in my mind pretty funny considering they are supposedly in an interoperability agreement with Microsoft.
What i think happened was that Novell was given a large wad of money to shut up and pretend that Microsoft is working togheter with others in the industry and to give credibility to the patent FUD.
"IE7 is demonstrably more secure -- at least on Vista and IE8 can pass Acid. What will/.ers complain about next? The UI?"
IE7 may be more secure than IE6 but its not something for certain yet. Security measures has bugs too and sometimes they introduce new holes where none was before. Vista has a largely rewritten TCP/IP stack and other large portions of the OS rewritten so the possibility for bugs in Vista is very large.
This is just pure politics and has nothing with space travel to do at all. The most sane thing would be to work with the russians that already have a very good launch vehicle that doesnt go kaboom! every other flight. Atleast until a viable alternative can be made avaliable. Lets face it, the space shuttle won because it looked like a spaceship, not because of its superior advantages to rockets. Heck, most fuel goes up in lifting the dead duck up that could have been better spent on payload.
"You mentioned that Microsoft "broke" CIFS in Vista/Server 2008. It should be noted that Vista/Server 2008 automatically downgrade to support older systems and only use the new features between compatible clients."
What would be very interesting is to compare this compability mode compared to w2k3 with the same clients. I would not be surprised if smb on w2k8 is much slower in compability mode than on w2k3.
This is probably a reaction to the loss in the EU. Now that others have full access to their old protocol they have to make a new one thats encumbered by patents and stuff so they can "protect" themselves from the bad mean competition. Those patents probably dont help the protocol one bit but is solely there to stifle any competition.
If you have read any recent history about modern US foreign and domestic actions things like this arent conspiracy theories, its just a likely conclusion. The terrorist thing is just a continuation on the soviet angle that was rendered useless for controlling the masses when the cold war ended. Encryption is the biggest threat to big brother society. Its just natural that US govt try to get their own backdoors in.
The thing is, real terrorists arent so stupid that they use the POTS or the internet. Its you and me they are after.
I didnt think killing innocent civilians was something that bothered the Israeli army at all. I always thought that it was considered a very nice bonus by the military. But then again, they may just be very clumsy all the time.
While it is very easy to spot abuse and propaganda on Wikipedia one thing is for sure, wikipedia is only one of the many places this happens on. Im much more concerned with how governments abuse and plant stuff in mainstream media where i cant see who/when/what someone changes. If you can see what has changed you can build your own opinion and investigate further, something not so easy with daily papers or tv.
"Ah. Just what I thought. You think that the mythical `flat text file in the usual place' works."
For everything that i have done, yes, flat text files has worked much better in the long run than any registry based solution. It may be that both Microsoft and Gnome goofed up bigtime and made a terrible mess of something wonderful, i cant be the judge of that. Documentation is a very big part of my work as an admin and printing/saving a text file beats "click clickety value click click" anytime. Backups/migrating settings are also something pretty annoying with registrys, especially when targeting specific applications and tracking what owns what key etc.
If the flat text file is a myth i suppose im a unicorn because i just damn prefer them straight out, i didnt flee the horrid windows mess of a registry to get a horrid Linux registry.
Well most of the things in that blog talks about shortcomings of the Windows platform. I use very advanced text files all day long for very complicated setups on linux and the problems i had with ini files on Windows is not something i have ever experienced on *nix/linux. The problems with ini files on windows is something i attribute to the shortcomings of Windows itself and its developers.
If you have multiple applications writing settings all the time *coughWindows* you have a whole another problem with your platform (i make packages all day for windows, for old applications often by monitoring the registry and man is it noisy). An application should ofcourse have its own file for settings so that no matter how bad an application screws up it should not affect any other part of the system. How the windows registry slowly dies is very intriguing to watch over the lifetime of a Windows computer. Also on Linux many upgrades (not security updates) of Gnome demands you to delete ~/.gnome and get your profile recreated.
The users is what applications are made for mostly and if a developer earns a couple of seconds on the registry but the user gets a whole lot of problems, whats the point? In my view any benefit of registry based settings is quickly eaten by all the disadvantages as seen in Windows and Gnome.
For one there has to be open debate about things for most people to form an opinion. Its not like people sit and read mailing lists all day just to get a feel for different politics and goals for various projects.
I do not feel we should just sit tight when we have strong opinions. If you call flamewars and bickering fighting you take things way to seriously.
Well for one thing, its a real pita to admin. With most other applications its a simple tour into a file with the settings both there for alteration and in most cases also some explanations for the various settings. Im one of those that never have ever seen a point of the Windows register and always have seen it as the worst part of the Windows platform.
With Gnome its very hard for an admin to administer for eg. a linux terminal server. Gconftool and gconf-editor is abysmal, both from a Windows admin perspective and from a Linux admin perspective. You can call me the worst admin in the world but setting up desktop-settings suitable for a terminal server in Gnome was no walk in the park and took me weeks of tinkering and reading source code. The gnome register is a sidestep from a tried and true way of handling settings on Linux and its just there because someone wanted to mimick what was a very bad idea from the beginning in Windows.
A simple text file in/etc for the systemwide settings and one for each user in their/~ with things deviating from it would have sufficed very well. A simple write protect on that user file would take care of mandatory settings pretty easily. Its not like/etc/skel is there for burials you know.
In short, you can never win when you copy something that sucks in the first place.
The fighting amongst "ourselves" is the equivalent of the marketplace for commercial software. Without different opinions and views open source would just suck as bad as comercial software does. A healthy community is devided amongst different interests and world views.
The sole reason Microsoft hasnt managed to kill Linux is because of the very fractured commynity. You cant attack one vector without something else popping up in response to that. For eg. make Gnome Microsofts biotch! and people will go elsewhere, and that includes many Gnome developers and users.
I for one hope the fight will continue beacause to me its a sign of a vibrant community that will satisfy very different needs. Its also good because a fractured community demands that things interact according to some standards, like freedesktop. One entity cant take the ball and run off the payingfield.
If KDE4 delivers half of what it promises this could very well be what tips things in favour for KDE. Gnome has not developed much in recent releases and is in some areas stagnated (nautilus, gnome-panel and for eg. the stupid register idiocy). Dont get me wrong, i like gnome but miquel and his bending over for Microsoft, mono and Gnomes spineless aproach to MS is driving me towards ANY other desktop.
"It's an amazing world we live in where roughly a year after Vista was released it has 90 million users"
No it has not in any way, shape or form 90 million users. Microsoft has sold 90 million Windows Vista/XP/NT/2000 licenses in total. The funny thing is, any windows license sold by Microsoft since Vista was released is counted as a Windows Vista license.
If you have a fortune 500 company and buy a million licenses to deploy XP they will count as Windows Vista license no matter how you buy them. Then we have all the home users that come to me with their new computer with Vista installed wanting me to install XP and delete Vista from their computers.
Vista is a lame duck considering it was 6 years since XP and there is a pent up want for a new OS. Six years of anticipation and vaporware turned into only minor improvement and in many cases regression.
I really wished the ones using spammers for marketing would be hunted down instead. The spammers are only bricks in the game. If it became a real felony for a company to employ spammers they would find it hard to make any money. Take one spammer away in the US and up pops 10 more in some other country.
That said i really dont think spamming is a felony just as i dont think any other form of marketing should be illegal. Its annoying for sure but the fault lies in our broken emailsystem and with Microsofts crappy security (spammers favourite mailservers are windows boxes). Spam is just symptoms for a bigger issue. Take away the spam and the problem is still there for more nefarious schemes.
The reason for the ruling was simple, SCO had no evidence supporting its claims about anything. Most of SCO witnesses was third part and so their testimoney was pure hearsay. This while IBM could line up both witnesses and piles of documentation including notes from real metings about the APA and other stuff.
In the five years SCO has had access to just about every single line of code ever written by IBM they still couldnt find a shred of evidence of the "literal copying". Add to that the BSD vs AT&T agreement wich gave all BSD code green light, the fact that UNIX is a very well specified standard that will make much of the code for anyone implementing it look similar in some places and the fact that SCO has not showed any evidence to the court and this is a very clear cut case.
This trial should have been done in weeks but the Judge really took his time whitewashing Linux from any possible doubt.
I expect this story isnt over by a long shot. I really believe this wont end until all the loose ends are tied together. That includes the pump and dump scheme and Microsofts financing a clearly frivilous lawsuit to kill a competitor.
"Prior to MS, there were several flavors of DOS, preventing different brands of computer from talking."
No, there wasnt prior to MS. The several flavours came about after MS started selling DOS. Most of the other flavours was much better than MS Dos. NCR Dos 3.2 was the best DOS version of them all because of all the bughunt NCR did on it. MS-DOS was a dead dog in comparison, funny thing was all MS apps ran much better on other DOS versions than their own. Hence the need for artificially make win not work on any other DOS than MS-Dos wich sucked big from day one up until it was dropped.
Sharing documents was no problem, anything external was sent in.txt mode. Formatting was for when you printed the document, not for just reading it as it has become today.
MS came along and anyone who had MS-DOS, Microsoft Word (the same version as the one communicating with had) could communicate. Thats not an improvement, its just a defacto standard.
Its a big insult to McDonalds to compare them with Microsoft. Should McDonalds be anything like MS i wouldnt dare to eat there ever. Actually McDonalds has very strict Q&A and an extremely well functioning organization.
Please remind me as to why all this work is being done? If the goal is to save lives it would be money much better spent on road and vehicle safety or gun control. Terrorists kill less people in 30 years than roads does in a couple of months in the US. My impression is that the "terrorist threat" is really very small and just used as an excuse to implement draconian surveiliance on American citizens and also as a nice spying tool against any allies and their populations. If American lives would be important there would be much else to do long before concentrating on terrorists.
The Intelligent Design drivel belongs right besides witches, a flat earth, gnomes, ghosts, and the tooth fairy. Science has nothing to do with it at all.
As with rome and many other great cultures its fairly evident now that the US is in for a quick spiral down into self destruction. No country has ever been ran successfully when in complete disregard of reality and head stuck deep down in the sand.
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The thing is, unless Linux and MacOS becomes much slower there will be a big performance benefit of running applications on other OS than Vista. For gaming performance is everything and i suspect many will hang on to XP for dear life just because of that. With Windows 98 it was a different thing because the performance was outweight by the fact the computer crashed a lot.
Linux has actually gotten faster in recent years. Its some of the cross platform applications that suck power. Both Gnome and KDE is fast compared to Vista.
You also talk about Windows 2000 when infact most users upgraded from Windows 98. You cant really compare an upgrade from Windows 98 to XP to one from XP to Vista. While XP delivered increased stability compared to 98 Vista brings nothing at all to the table compared to XP. Its just dog-awful slow and incompatible with everything from hardware to games and other software.
Thanks to the monopoly Microsoft will be able to cram Vista down peoples throats no doubt. Its just getting harder and harder and more and more people stop bending over and like it.
Its not a Windows PC so it wont run windows apps. Well go figure, it would not be a low cost PC if the specs had been enough to satisfy Vista and the Microsoft OEM-tax was added to the price.
The gPC is more than suitable for what most people use their computer for theese days. Almost anything people do is done inside a browser.
The PC market is more than enough matured to divest itself into niche markets like the gPC where you only aim for a specific application and not everything and the kitchen sink.
When i recently bought a new computer i cought myself thinking "-I dont in any way need this horsepower for what i do". The gPC would have been more than enough for my needs as it would to most peoples needs.
The thing is that the writer assumes that a computer should cater every possible need in existance while most people just want something that does their specific need, and cheaply.
You know a couple of people running Vista? Thats much more interesting because every single soul i know have switched back to XP or started using Linux.
The people you know seems like real MS fanbois if they still run Vista.
The real problem is that its possible to just click on random stuff from mail, on the web and in IM clients and it gets installed. Because its such a big source of malware it shouldnt be done at all really. Many malware uses defects in browsers and OS and Antivirus is not a solution at all to those problems. Its not even bandaid then.
What i would like to see is Microsoft shipping a Windows version thats fairly secure out of the box. Then and only then Antivirus becomes something useful as a second added security layer. As it is now when it is the only security layer it doesnt work. Shipping Antivirus with Windows as Microsoft does is not a good solution but rather a recognition that they are not capable of delivering a fairly secure OS at all.
If users gets infected a lot by clicking the wrong things the sane thing would be to disable that function or atleast make it more safe. Like demand for example that a site that installs software is trusted by a third party.
Its pretty funny that Novell cant make their products work against AD. They have this agreement with Microsoft and it sure looks like pure vapour.
Samba seems the only way that Novell can make for example Open Enterprise work as an AD controller. This is in my mind pretty funny considering they are supposedly in an interoperability agreement with Microsoft.
What i think happened was that Novell was given a large wad of money to shut up and pretend that Microsoft is working togheter with others in the industry and to give credibility to the patent FUD.
"IE7 is demonstrably more secure -- at least on Vista and IE8 can pass Acid. What will /.ers complain about next? The UI?"
IE7 may be more secure than IE6 but its not something for certain yet. Security measures has bugs too and sometimes they introduce new holes where none was before. Vista has a largely rewritten TCP/IP stack and other large portions of the OS rewritten so the possibility for bugs in Vista is very large.
This is just pure politics and has nothing with space travel to do at all. The most sane thing would be to work with the russians that already have a very good launch vehicle that doesnt go kaboom! every other flight. Atleast until a viable alternative can be made avaliable. Lets face it, the space shuttle won because it looked like a spaceship, not because of its superior advantages to rockets. Heck, most fuel goes up in lifting the dead duck up that could have been better spent on payload.
"You mentioned that Microsoft "broke" CIFS in Vista/Server 2008. It should be noted that Vista/Server 2008 automatically downgrade to support older systems and only use the new features between compatible clients."
What would be very interesting is to compare this compability mode compared to w2k3 with the same clients. I would not be surprised if smb on w2k8 is much slower in compability mode than on w2k3.
This is probably a reaction to the loss in the EU. Now that others have full access to their old protocol they have to make a new one thats encumbered by patents and stuff so they can "protect" themselves from the bad mean competition. Those patents probably dont help the protocol one bit but is solely there to stifle any competition.
If you have read any recent history about modern US foreign and domestic actions things like this arent conspiracy theories, its just a likely conclusion. The terrorist thing is just a continuation on the soviet angle that was rendered useless for controlling the masses when the cold war ended. Encryption is the biggest threat to big brother society. Its just natural that US govt try to get their own backdoors in.
The thing is, real terrorists arent so stupid that they use the POTS or the internet. Its you and me they are after.
I didnt think killing innocent civilians was something that bothered the Israeli army at all. I always thought that it was considered a very nice bonus by the military. But then again, they may just be very clumsy all the time.
While it is very easy to spot abuse and propaganda on Wikipedia one thing is for sure, wikipedia is only one of the many places this happens on. Im much more concerned with how governments abuse and plant stuff in mainstream media where i cant see who/when/what someone changes. If you can see what has changed you can build your own opinion and investigate further, something not so easy with daily papers or tv.
"Not sure what Microsoft wants, but they're not exactly playing with anyone."
As usual, they just play with themselves.
5 The friggin registry in gnome, why on earth anyone would copy the worst part of windows is totally beyond my brains capacity to fathom.
I just hate it!
"Ah. Just what I thought. You think that the mythical `flat text file in the usual place' works."
For everything that i have done, yes, flat text files has worked much better in the long run than any registry based solution. It may be that both Microsoft and Gnome goofed up bigtime and made a terrible mess of something wonderful, i cant be the judge of that. Documentation is a very big part of my work as an admin and printing/saving a text file beats "click clickety value click click" anytime. Backups/migrating settings are also something pretty annoying with registrys, especially when targeting specific applications and tracking what owns what key etc.
If the flat text file is a myth i suppose im a unicorn because i just damn prefer them straight out, i didnt flee the horrid windows mess of a registry to get a horrid Linux registry.
Well most of the things in that blog talks about shortcomings of the Windows platform. I use very advanced text files all day long for very complicated setups on linux and the problems i had with ini files on Windows is not something i have ever experienced on *nix/linux. The problems with ini files on windows is something i attribute to the shortcomings of Windows itself and its developers.
If you have multiple applications writing settings all the time *coughWindows* you have a whole another problem with your platform (i make packages all day for windows, for old applications often by monitoring the registry and man is it noisy). An application should ofcourse have its own file for settings so that no matter how bad an application screws up it should not affect any other part of the system. How the windows registry slowly dies is very intriguing to watch over the lifetime of a Windows computer. Also on Linux many upgrades (not security updates) of Gnome demands you to delete ~/.gnome and get your profile recreated.
The users is what applications are made for mostly and if a developer earns a couple of seconds on the registry but the user gets a whole lot of problems, whats the point? In my view any benefit of registry based settings is quickly eaten by all the disadvantages as seen in Windows and Gnome.
For one there has to be open debate about things for most people to form an opinion. Its not like people sit and read mailing lists all day just to get a feel for different politics and goals for various projects.
I do not feel we should just sit tight when we have strong opinions. If you call flamewars and bickering fighting you take things way to seriously.
Well for one thing, its a real pita to admin. With most other applications its a simple tour into a file with the settings both there for alteration and in most cases also some explanations for the various settings. Im one of those that never have ever seen a point of the Windows register and always have seen it as the worst part of the Windows platform.
/etc for the systemwide settings and one for each user in their /~ with things deviating from it would have sufficed very well. A simple write protect on that user file would take care of mandatory settings pretty easily. Its not like /etc/skel is there for burials you know.
With Gnome its very hard for an admin to administer for eg. a linux terminal server. Gconftool and gconf-editor is abysmal, both from a Windows admin perspective and from a Linux admin perspective. You can call me the worst admin in the world but setting up desktop-settings suitable for a terminal server in Gnome was no walk in the park and took me weeks of tinkering and reading source code. The gnome register is a sidestep from a tried and true way of handling settings on Linux and its just there because someone wanted to mimick what was a very bad idea from the beginning in Windows.
A simple text file in
In short, you can never win when you copy something that sucks in the first place.
The fighting amongst "ourselves" is the equivalent of the marketplace for commercial software. Without different opinions and views open source would just suck as bad as comercial software does. A healthy community is devided amongst different interests and world views.
The sole reason Microsoft hasnt managed to kill Linux is because of the very fractured commynity. You cant attack one vector without something else popping up in response to that. For eg. make Gnome Microsofts biotch! and people will go elsewhere, and that includes many Gnome developers and users.
I for one hope the fight will continue beacause to me its a sign of a vibrant community that will satisfy very different needs. Its also good because a fractured community demands that things interact according to some standards, like freedesktop. One entity cant take the ball and run off the payingfield.
If KDE4 delivers half of what it promises this could very well be what tips things in favour for KDE. Gnome has not developed much in recent releases and is in some areas stagnated (nautilus, gnome-panel and for eg. the stupid register idiocy). Dont get me wrong, i like gnome but miquel and his bending over for Microsoft, mono and Gnomes spineless aproach to MS is driving me towards ANY other desktop.
"It's an amazing world we live in where roughly a year after Vista was released it has 90 million users"
No it has not in any way, shape or form 90 million users. Microsoft has sold 90 million Windows Vista/XP/NT/2000 licenses in total. The funny thing is, any windows license sold by Microsoft since Vista was released is counted as a Windows Vista license.
If you have a fortune 500 company and buy a million licenses to deploy XP they will count as Windows Vista license no matter how you buy them. Then we have all the home users that come to me with their new computer with Vista installed wanting me to install XP and delete Vista from their computers.
Vista is a lame duck considering it was 6 years since XP and there is a pent up want for a new OS. Six years of anticipation and vaporware turned into only minor improvement and in many cases regression.
I really wished the ones using spammers for marketing would be hunted down instead. The spammers are only bricks in the game. If it became a real felony for a company to employ spammers they would find it hard to make any money. Take one spammer away in the US and up pops 10 more in some other country.
That said i really dont think spamming is a felony just as i dont think any other form of marketing should be illegal. Its annoying for sure but the fault lies in our broken emailsystem and with Microsofts crappy security (spammers favourite mailservers are windows boxes). Spam is just symptoms for a bigger issue. Take away the spam and the problem is still there for more nefarious schemes.
The reason for the ruling was simple, SCO had no evidence supporting its claims about anything. Most of SCO witnesses was third part and so their testimoney was pure hearsay. This while IBM could line up both witnesses and piles of documentation including notes from real metings about the APA and other stuff.
In the five years SCO has had access to just about every single line of code ever written by IBM they still couldnt find a shred of evidence of the "literal copying". Add to that the BSD vs AT&T agreement wich gave all BSD code green light, the fact that UNIX is a very well specified standard that will make much of the code for anyone implementing it look similar in some places and the fact that SCO has not showed any evidence to the court and this is a very clear cut case.
This trial should have been done in weeks but the Judge really took his time whitewashing Linux from any possible doubt.
I expect this story isnt over by a long shot. I really believe this wont end until all the loose ends are tied together. That includes the pump and dump scheme and Microsofts financing a clearly frivilous lawsuit to kill a competitor.
"Prior to MS, there were several flavors of DOS, preventing different brands of computer from talking."
.txt mode. Formatting was for when you printed the document, not for just reading it as it has become today.
No, there wasnt prior to MS. The several flavours came about after MS started selling DOS. Most of the other flavours was much better than MS Dos. NCR Dos 3.2 was the best DOS version of them all because of all the bughunt NCR did on it. MS-DOS was a dead dog in comparison, funny thing was all MS apps ran much better on other DOS versions than their own. Hence the need for artificially make win not work on any other DOS than MS-Dos wich sucked big from day one up until it was dropped.
Sharing documents was no problem, anything external was sent in
MS came along and anyone who had MS-DOS, Microsoft Word (the same version as the one communicating with had) could communicate. Thats not an improvement, its just a defacto standard.
Its a big insult to McDonalds to compare them with Microsoft. Should McDonalds be anything like MS i wouldnt dare to eat there ever. Actually McDonalds has very strict Q&A and an extremely well functioning organization.
Please remind me as to why all this work is being done? If the goal is to save lives it would be money much better spent on road and vehicle safety or gun control. Terrorists kill less people in 30 years than roads does in a couple of months in the US. My impression is that the "terrorist threat" is really very small and just used as an excuse to implement draconian surveiliance on American citizens and also as a nice spying tool against any allies and their populations. If American lives would be important there would be much else to do long before concentrating on terrorists.
The Intelligent Design drivel belongs right besides witches, a flat earth, gnomes, ghosts, and the tooth fairy. Science has nothing to do with it at all.
As with rome and many other great cultures its fairly evident now that the US is in for a quick spiral down into self destruction. No country has ever been ran successfully when in complete disregard of reality and head stuck deep down in the sand.