In a corporate enviroment I would not put Gentoo on the desktop. Don't get me wrong, I happen to like that distribution a lot and we use it on our servers. However we use SuSE on the desktop to avoid the build times.
While it is true that there are few decent Java GUI applications on the market today, they are starting to come out. It has taken the majority of developers a lot longer to learn how to make a decent GUI in Java than in other languages. Personally I think it is because Java itself has a very low "entrance level" but Swing's entrance level is quite a bit higher. Thus causing some disconnect in the skill level of many Developers.
Swing itself and Java itself are not slow. However, developers using poor coding habits makes it appear that the language is slow.
Hopefully in the next few years we will see an even larger acceptance of Java on the GUI and this myth of the language being slow will finally die. Unfortunately, I think that here on \., the myth will remain.
A properly designed Java GUI will have a very smooth installation procedure. Moneydance is a very good example of an application that is 100% Java and you can only tell that it is Java by wandering around in its directory structure. Hopefully other applications will follow in its tracks.
I hope that the developers of this browser do a good job with the speed and the APIs. Having a "native" Java rendering engine can be nothing but good.
End users have no clue what language their programs are in. They only care that they work. I see quite a few "end users" using Java applications all day long and have no clue that it is Java. They could care less, the app works for them and that is all that matters.
I do agree that waiting for the damn window to appear some 30 secs after launching the application is frustrating
30 seconds?!?!? Whoever wrote that GUI needs to go back to school and learn how to code. Any decently sized GUI needs to have it's initialization routines threaded properly so that it can start up in a reasonable amount of time. 30 second start-up time is a sign of bad coding, not of a bad language or JVM.
Probably should stop using Front Page then. Mozilla follows the standards which I.E. does not. If you write your code to standard then you would not have to "tweak" it for Mozilla. Granted you would probably still have to tweak it for IE.
I agree with the great, great, grandfather post. Don't wait, buy the notebook now. Even if the 970 does come out for Apple, it will be quite a while before it sees it's way into the Powerbooks.
this 12" is definitely the best hardware purchase I have made.
My company's flagship product is written entirely in Java because it is cross platform. We run server-side software against databases on AIX, HP-UX, Sun, Microsoft, Linux, etc. and have to have a cross platform solution.
In addition, many of the software products that I use are written in Java and them being cross platform was one of the reasons I chose to use them. Made my switch from Windows to Linux and Mac OSX much less painful that it would have been.
What makes people constantly think that this is a war between Linux and Microsoft? I read it all day long from the posters on here (most of which do not contribute to open source) and in the media.
Most of the comments that I read from the actual hackers state quite clearly that they could care less what Microsoft is doing and what percentage market share that Linux has. Honestly who other than the whiners and posters give a damn about controlling the desktop?
The hackers write code because they enjoy it. The main reason Linux exists is not to compete with MS.
People need to stop treating or acting like this is some grand competition between Bill Gates and Linus Torvalds. There is no war. Microsoft might be trying to compete with Linux but Linux for the most part could care less. The hackers are still going to write code even if Microsoft has 99% of the desktop or if they have 2%.
Saying things like MS has whooped Linux's butt on the desktop is arguably one of the most childish things I have seen in a while. Who decides what is best on the deskop? You, me, some media outlet? The answer is all of the above. Linux works better for me on the desktop that Windows by a long shot. But do I go around screaming that Linux is beating MS on the desktop? Of course not. A. it is all subjective, and B. who cares? Use what works for you. If Linux works for you great, if not, use something else. But why treat it as a competition?
DRM sees it as a different machine but you can authorize this new "machine" to play your AAC files. You can have up to three machines authorized at once.
This may be off topic but where do you get the "write once, debug everywhere" bit for Java? Or are you just going off of what "everyone else says"?
I have several Java applications that I use every day and every single one of them works on all three platforms that I use (Windows, OS X and Linux). I develop extensions for one of these applications and I have not had a single problem with it working correctly on all three platforms.
In addition, the application that I am working on professionally has a GUI element which we have not had one single "OS dependent bug" yet.
If you are planning on keeping the machine for 2+ years more then I would say that it is absolutely worth it.
Since you work or will be working in the computer industry, that laptop is one of your most important possessions. Treat it like your most valuable tool and keep it under warranty.
I see the extended warranty like health insurance for your computer. $100.00 per year for health insurance on your laptop is a great deal.
I would agree with you that the users of OSS that look at the code has to be pretty small.
But I don't think that is the point of it. Most people I know who use OSS use it because someone else had solved a problem for them. Quite a few applications that I use fall into this category. If the app does not scratch your itch is when you delve into the code and fix it.
I see Sys admins and DBA doing this all the time. They have this disk or repository of tools that they carry around with them. Usually just scripts that make their job that much simpler.
I have started my own collection as a programmer, my vimrc file is getting very complex as well as scripts to do simple tasks that much faster (logging into remote databases and configuring the display, etc).
It would make sense that a programmer would take this to the next level.
Happens every day in different fields. However most of these "posers" get discovered sooner or later.
I ran into a progammer like this a little while back. He had the management convinced that he was simply the best thing out there. After a couple of months of his software not being updateable (he had stolen the code), it was made clear what he was and his career was at it's end in that city.
they'll hopefully go to google and find some kick ass open source tools to get the job done
Where do you think those kick ass open source tools came from? Some admin who needed to get the job done and thought someone else might benefit from his work.
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In a corporate enviroment I would not put Gentoo on the desktop. Don't get me wrong, I happen to like that distribution a lot and we use it on our servers. However we use SuSE on the desktop to avoid the build times.
Swing itself and Java itself are not slow. However, developers using poor coding habits makes it appear that the language is slow.
Hopefully in the next few years we will see an even larger acceptance of Java on the GUI and this myth of the language being slow will finally die. Unfortunately, I think that here on \., the myth will remain.
A properly designed Java GUI will have a very smooth installation procedure. Moneydance is a very good example of an application that is 100% Java and you can only tell that it is Java by wandering around in its directory structure. Hopefully other applications will follow in its tracks.
I hope that the developers of this browser do a good job with the speed and the APIs. Having a "native" Java rendering engine can be nothing but good.
End users have no clue what language their programs are in. They only care that they work. I see quite a few "end users" using Java applications all day long and have no clue that it is Java. They could care less, the app works for them and that is all that matters.
30 seconds?!?!? Whoever wrote that GUI needs to go back to school and learn how to code. Any decently sized GUI needs to have it's initialization routines threaded properly so that it can start up in a reasonable amount of time. 30 second start-up time is a sign of bad coding, not of a bad language or JVM.
Probably should stop using Front Page then. Mozilla follows the standards which I.E. does not. If you write your code to standard then you would not have to "tweak" it for Mozilla. Granted you would probably still have to tweak it for IE.
I agree with the great, great, grandfather post. Don't wait, buy the notebook now. Even if the 970 does come out for Apple, it will be quite a while before it sees it's way into the Powerbooks.
this 12" is definitely the best hardware purchase I have made.
In addition, many of the software products that I use are written in Java and them being cross platform was one of the reasons I chose to use them. Made my switch from Windows to Linux and Mac OSX much less painful that it would have been.
But I understand your point and apparently so does Sun :)
write = PENUP;
direction = VERTICALUP;
with the global static variables looking like:
public static final int PENUP = 0;
public static final int VERTICALUP = 0;
Then instead of referring to 0 you can refer to the constants instead and makes for very readable code.
Most of the comments that I read from the actual hackers state quite clearly that they could care less what Microsoft is doing and what percentage market share that Linux has. Honestly who other than the whiners and posters give a damn about controlling the desktop?
The hackers write code because they enjoy it. The main reason Linux exists is not to compete with MS.
People need to stop treating or acting like this is some grand competition between Bill Gates and Linus Torvalds. There is no war. Microsoft might be trying to compete with Linux but Linux for the most part could care less. The hackers are still going to write code even if Microsoft has 99% of the desktop or if they have 2%.
Saying things like MS has whooped Linux's butt on the desktop is arguably one of the most childish things I have seen in a while. Who decides what is best on the deskop? You, me, some media outlet? The answer is all of the above. Linux works better for me on the desktop that Windows by a long shot. But do I go around screaming that Linux is beating MS on the desktop? Of course not. A. it is all subjective, and B. who cares? Use what works for you. If Linux works for you great, if not, use something else. But why treat it as a competition?
It would be my guess that you can deauthorize from another machine. Otherwise that would be difficult indeed!
DRM sees it as a different machine but you can authorize this new "machine" to play your AAC files. You can have up to three machines authorized at once.
I am familiar with how the technology works but how does it sound?
OT: How well does that Belkin work? I have been toying with the idea myself to get rid of a cassette adapter.
I have several Java applications that I use every day and every single one of them works on all three platforms that I use (Windows, OS X and Linux). I develop extensions for one of these applications and I have not had a single problem with it working correctly on all three platforms.
In addition, the application that I am working on professionally has a GUI element which we have not had one single "OS dependent bug" yet.
So I ask, what is the basis of your statement?
Just use a CD-R/W and blank it between burns. Could probably even have applescript do all of that for you.
I guess if your into indie's then emusic would be a better choice for you.
Since you work or will be working in the computer industry, that laptop is one of your most important possessions. Treat it like your most valuable tool and keep it under warranty.
I see the extended warranty like health insurance for your computer. $100.00 per year for health insurance on your laptop is a great deal.
I doubt that it is uncommon.
But I don't think that is the point of it. Most people I know who use OSS use it because someone else had solved a problem for them. Quite a few applications that I use fall into this category. If the app does not scratch your itch is when you delve into the code and fix it.
I have started my own collection as a programmer, my vimrc file is getting very complex as well as scripts to do simple tasks that much faster (logging into remote databases and configuring the display, etc).
It would make sense that a programmer would take this to the next level.
I ran into a progammer like this a little while back. He had the management convinced that he was simply the best thing out there. After a couple of months of his software not being updateable (he had stolen the code), it was made clear what he was and his career was at it's end in that city.
Last I heard he moved out of state.
Where do you think those kick ass open source tools came from? Some admin who needed to get the job done and thought someone else might benefit from his work.
bash :)