Asshole misogynists have hijacked the debate and the language.
There, fixed that for you.
Dawkins is a brilliant evolutionist and a good defender of science. And he is a shithead when it comes to sexual harassment. If this attitude is the new face of the atheist movement, then fuck it. I no longer spend time or money on such things, and I'm not going to play ball with a bunch of sexist fuckwits. And if this is your attitude, then fuck you, too.
The global warming people haven't shown us the value of anything, so far as I can see.
Then you are simply not paying attention. That's just one site, and 10 seconds of typing to get to it. Make an effort to read the data, don't bitch because you aren't getting spoon fed.
Jacques Cousteau had two close calls with oxygen toxicity in his early career. This prompted him to work with Emile Gagnan to develop the Aqualung regulator, based on a demand regulator Emile had designed for cars. To this day, the principles developed by Cousteau and Gagnan are still used in modern regulators. The Titan and Conshelf regulator lines, for example, even use the same parts as some of the classic regulators, like the Aqualung Royal Aquamaster. The design is solid and stable enough to be used for newly designed doublehose regulators as well.
Everyone else passed out, exhausted from the hours of waiting. I was the only one left to hold vigil over my grandfather as he lay on his hospital bed. His breathing had degenerated into shallow gasps, like a motor stumbling and dieseling after the key is turned off. His eyes were open, blank and staring at a ceiling that he had long since lost the ability to perceive. No blinks anymore. No response. All through that night, I held his hand, knowing that the man I loved was already gone. It just struck me that it was so damned pointless. He was dead, and no one in the family had the wherewithal to let his body follow his mind. It was the epitome of thoughtless cruelty, both towards my grandfather and towards the family.
I see what you are getting at, but I'm just not sure it is true, or at least, largely true. Perhaps your church is after nominal Catholics, but the majority of missions I was aware of were not shy about wanting to save church-going Catholics, as they considered it to be a heresy. Missions to the Philippines and South America were the most egregious. There was even a Spanish speaking church started in the local town I lived in which was focused on converting the local immigrant Catholic population. They were quite open about it, and the times that they worked the local prisons with the Catholics were interesting to say the least. Of course, the Catholics were trying just as hard to convert the Protestants, so I don't mean to give the impression that it was one sided. Both sides were "poaching," so to speak.
However, you also have to overcome the occasional stupid rule. For example, my son was issued two books that his teacher told him they would not even crack open this year. Both were replaced with other sources(digital books and such), but state law dictates that they receive a physical book for these classes. So, the district is forced to buy and distribute(and maintain) books that they never actually intend to use.
That largely comes from the fact that "Catholic" individuals frequently have nothing but religion rather than faith.
Amusing. I'm an ex-Catholic, and we viewed mainstream Protestantism in the same light. As a non-believer, I now watch the antics of both, and they look strangely the same.
The two major branches of Christianity are on good terms right now
The Eastern Orthodox churches think that Catholicism and Protestantism are branches of the same heresy.
I would also note that, while the Catholic church is more monolithic in its belief structure, there are many, many branches of Protestantism which actively seek to convert and save Catholics. It is not by accident that many Evangelical churches sponsor missions in Catholic dominated countries.
and if we weren't hopefully one of us would say something
There's the rub. You shouldn't have to hope that your actions in the workplace(or in public more generally) aren't misconstrued and that, if they are, your coworker feels comfortable enough to ask you to stop.
I would much rather live in a world we we can stop pretending our genitals do not exist.
And you think that ass slapping and chest bumps are going to accomplish this?
However, wouldn't it be nice to be able to chest bump a guy without fear that he would take it as a come-on because your breasts touched him, or do a football ass smack without connotation (unless it was desired as such)?
I would much prefer a work environment where people didn't feel the need to engage in locker room play, regardless of gender.
the fact that I called her cute, or female, or a dream girl adds rarity and value to her accomplishments in my opinion and does not detract from it
Well, one of those things is not like the others. But, ignoring that, why? Why do you think that that adds rarity and value? Is that not an implicit admission that you think that there is a general mutual exclusion between engineering accomplishments and being a cute female, and that the confluence of the two is a rare event?
that pseudo-feminist crap has echos of our overtly puritanical (and hypocritical) culture that would have us all asexual and demote sex just a bodily function
It has nothing to do with puritanism. If you want more women to engage in engineering, per your initial question, one thing that you need to do is to attack sexism, even latent sexism. Comments like "pseudo-feminist crap" in response to a mild criticism seem a bit defensive to me. You can engage in chest thumping on/. or you could engage in some introspection.
So, your argument is that since you and your buddy are assholes who are prone to throwing around homophobic sexual smears in private, women should be thankful that you aren't also misogynistic pigs in public as well?
Can anyone give me some really feasible use cases for this?
Sure. You have a ton of Arduino stuff already set up, and this is a new addition to the number of interesting projects you can play with. In my case, the original Gameduino was fun to mess around with as a learning tool, both for myself and my kids. In addition, I plan to use it as a general purpose display for other 8 bit projects. This version just gives us more to play with.
Um, no.
First, there is no such thing as "devolution."
Secondly, it doesn't fit the evidence in the least. Show me evidence of multicellular life preceding the development of unicellular life, and we'll talk.
Third, horizontal gene transfer is more common than you seem to think.
Okay, let's consider sex (always a good thing to consider). Genesis in the Bible says that God created two sexes, male and female. Now, if there is no Creator with a building plan, then we might expect to see more variety in the area of reproduction among us higher animal types rather than the standard male/female stuff we are so used to.
Then consider it. The most common form of reproduction in the world is asexual. Hermaphroditism is also quite common. It is also not uncommon for species to flip sexes depending on environmental queues, even in multicellular species as complex as fish and amphibians. Hell, there are species of fish in which the male is absorbed into the female and becomes a new set of gonads for her! Even the more familiar male/female dynamics are not clearcut. Many species have neuters. Others have evolved complex behavioral patterns which create de facto sexes.
The point here is that both the Bible and our observations point to at least the possibility of a plan by a master builder.
Your bible talks about two sexes because humans generally have two sexes(and this is not even universal). It's an attempt to explain sexual dimorphism with no knowledge of genetics or evolution. In short, your bible IS an observation, not a second source of information useful for corroboration. It is just a non sequitur to assert otherwise.
all of this just highlights the engineering challenges present in building and utilizing an efficient, effective, and practical sail boat. It's not a napkin duct taped to a popsicle stick.
Definitely. I find that a lot of boaters I interact with simply don't appreciate the art and science behind a good sailboat and the sport of sailing itself. I find sailing(and sailboat building) to be interesting from the spectrum of people you meet. There are people sailing on every budget, and with all sorts of goals. This means that there is no "best sailboat." Going gunkholing down the delta puts a completely different set of demands on a boat than bluewater cruising or lake racing, for example. It's a pity that, judging from the comments on this story, a lot of people think that sailing, and even yachting in general, are just a rich person's sport.
But by all means, go ahead and go out there with a few two-by-fours and some wax and a tarp and build yourself a top-tier sailboat, and see how quick you can cut across the harbor. Make sure the coast guard's there too; your mommy might need to come pick you up when your little boat sinks.
Heh, substitute the wax with some West Systems epoxy, and it sounds like a plan! Some of the best sailing memories I have are building and sailing plywood and 2x4 boats with my kids.
I've seen a lot of small boats with junk rigs. I've never used one myself, as I generally stick with a lateen or bermuda rig for my personal boats. My dad seems fascinated by them, though, so I imagine I'll end up building one at some point.
Yet one may readily and enjoyably participate in small class boat races at a local sailing club, often for no more money than just showing up and offering to crew.
There are even racing boats designed to be built for little money, yet still offering rules for competition. My personal favorite is the Puddle Duck Racer.
Well, it may be far more technical than most people get, but I wouldn't say that it's "totally foreign." I also sail Sunfish, I'm not a racer myself, but I'm familiar with the lengths some of the catamaran sailors around here go to wring the most competitive advantage from their boats. These guys just spend WAY more time and money on it than a regular sailor could ever dream of.
Dammit, now I'll never get any work done today. I'll be thinking about sailing all afternoon.
I suppose under the banner of rational engineering we forfeit any understanding of transcendent experience, keeping our minds locked in facts and missing the beautiful mystery right in front of our faces.
You suppose wrongly. What does the mockery of religion have to do with the recognition of beauty? I spend as much time as I can in and on the oceans, and I've never once watched a soft coral sway in the current or listened to the snap of the rigging as I swing into a new tack and thought to myself, "Well, since there is no god, this is all just rubbish." I wouldn't sully the experience with a meaningless and befouled label like "sacred," but that has no bearing on the matter.
You can engage in transcendental naval gazing all you like. Just don't ask the government to grant you a special dispensation on that basis. It is really is that simple.
There is no sect of Christianity that counts the devil as a god.
Christian Gnosticism and Mormonism spring to mind immediately. I'm sure there are more examples. Of course, the "True Christians" mostly exterminated the former and claim the latter aren't Christian as long as there isn't a federal election going on. The differences seemed to evaporate pretty quickly when political expediency entered into the picture.
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Asshole misogynists have hijacked the debate and the language.
There, fixed that for you. Dawkins is a brilliant evolutionist and a good defender of science. And he is a shithead when it comes to sexual harassment. If this attitude is the new face of the atheist movement, then fuck it. I no longer spend time or money on such things, and I'm not going to play ball with a bunch of sexist fuckwits. And if this is your attitude, then fuck you, too.
The global warming people haven't shown us the value of anything, so far as I can see.
Then you are simply not paying attention. That's just one site, and 10 seconds of typing to get to it. Make an effort to read the data, don't bitch because you aren't getting spoon fed.
Jacques Cousteau had two close calls with oxygen toxicity in his early career. This prompted him to work with Emile Gagnan to develop the Aqualung regulator, based on a demand regulator Emile had designed for cars. To this day, the principles developed by Cousteau and Gagnan are still used in modern regulators. The Titan and Conshelf regulator lines, for example, even use the same parts as some of the classic regulators, like the Aqualung Royal Aquamaster. The design is solid and stable enough to be used for newly designed doublehose regulators as well.
Everyone else passed out, exhausted from the hours of waiting. I was the only one left to hold vigil over my grandfather as he lay on his hospital bed. His breathing had degenerated into shallow gasps, like a motor stumbling and dieseling after the key is turned off. His eyes were open, blank and staring at a ceiling that he had long since lost the ability to perceive. No blinks anymore. No response. All through that night, I held his hand, knowing that the man I loved was already gone. It just struck me that it was so damned pointless. He was dead, and no one in the family had the wherewithal to let his body follow his mind. It was the epitome of thoughtless cruelty, both towards my grandfather and towards the family.
I see what you are getting at, but I'm just not sure it is true, or at least, largely true. Perhaps your church is after nominal Catholics, but the majority of missions I was aware of were not shy about wanting to save church-going Catholics, as they considered it to be a heresy. Missions to the Philippines and South America were the most egregious. There was even a Spanish speaking church started in the local town I lived in which was focused on converting the local immigrant Catholic population. They were quite open about it, and the times that they worked the local prisons with the Catholics were interesting to say the least. Of course, the Catholics were trying just as hard to convert the Protestants, so I don't mean to give the impression that it was one sided. Both sides were "poaching," so to speak.
I doubt that Texas creationists are going to find the interpretation of science from a Buddhist viewpoint very compelling.
There are some options in that area. Here is one: http://www.ck12.org/about/freetextbooks/
However, you also have to overcome the occasional stupid rule. For example, my son was issued two books that his teacher told him they would not even crack open this year. Both were replaced with other sources(digital books and such), but state law dictates that they receive a physical book for these classes. So, the district is forced to buy and distribute(and maintain) books that they never actually intend to use.
And evolutionists do not want students to think critically when it comes to evolution.
I wonder, how many of these evil "evolutionists" can you dig up who actually want less research and thought put into it by everyone involved?
Oh, and where I come from, they are called "biologists," not "evolutionists."
Cuts both ways, that knife does.
Apparently not...
That largely comes from the fact that "Catholic" individuals frequently have nothing but religion rather than faith.
Amusing. I'm an ex-Catholic, and we viewed mainstream Protestantism in the same light. As a non-believer, I now watch the antics of both, and they look strangely the same.
The two major branches of Christianity are on good terms right now
The Eastern Orthodox churches think that Catholicism and Protestantism are branches of the same heresy.
I would also note that, while the Catholic church is more monolithic in its belief structure, there are many, many branches of Protestantism which actively seek to convert and save Catholics. It is not by accident that many Evangelical churches sponsor missions in Catholic dominated countries.
I see an estrogen overdose. Are you susceptible?
Susceptible to not being an ass in the workplace? I suppose I am.
I'll grow up when I'm damned good and ready - and there's not a damned thing you can do about it.
The rallying cry of every egotistical manchild with an overly inflated sense of self worth.
Well, it's a good thing that we have dudebros like you around to tell us what women are thankful for.
and if we weren't hopefully one of us would say something
There's the rub. You shouldn't have to hope that your actions in the workplace(or in public more generally) aren't misconstrued and that, if they are, your coworker feels comfortable enough to ask you to stop.
I would much rather live in a world we we can stop pretending our genitals do not exist.
And you think that ass slapping and chest bumps are going to accomplish this?
However, wouldn't it be nice to be able to chest bump a guy without fear that he would take it as a come-on because your breasts touched him, or do a football ass smack without connotation (unless it was desired as such)?
I would much prefer a work environment where people didn't feel the need to engage in locker room play, regardless of gender.
the fact that I called her cute, or female, or a dream girl adds rarity and value to her accomplishments in my opinion and does not detract from it
Well, one of those things is not like the others. But, ignoring that, why? Why do you think that that adds rarity and value? Is that not an implicit admission that you think that there is a general mutual exclusion between engineering accomplishments and being a cute female, and that the confluence of the two is a rare event?
that pseudo-feminist crap has echos of our overtly puritanical (and hypocritical) culture that would have us all asexual and demote sex just a bodily function
It has nothing to do with puritanism. If you want more women to engage in engineering, per your initial question, one thing that you need to do is to attack sexism, even latent sexism. Comments like "pseudo-feminist crap" in response to a mild criticism seem a bit defensive to me. You can engage in chest thumping on /. or you could engage in some introspection.
So, your argument is that since you and your buddy are assholes who are prone to throwing around homophobic sexual smears in private, women should be thankful that you aren't also misogynistic pigs in public as well?
If you are so sensitive that you think that girlintraining's post was an "excoriation," then I would suggest that you are the one with the problem.
Can anyone give me some really feasible use cases for this?
Sure. You have a ton of Arduino stuff already set up, and this is a new addition to the number of interesting projects you can play with. In my case, the original Gameduino was fun to mess around with as a learning tool, both for myself and my kids. In addition, I plan to use it as a general purpose display for other 8 bit projects. This version just gives us more to play with.
Um, no.
First, there is no such thing as "devolution."
Secondly, it doesn't fit the evidence in the least. Show me evidence of multicellular life preceding the development of unicellular life, and we'll talk.
Third, horizontal gene transfer is more common than you seem to think.
Okay, let's consider sex (always a good thing to consider). Genesis in the Bible says that God created two sexes, male and female. Now, if there is no Creator with a building plan, then we might expect to see more variety in the area of reproduction among us higher animal types rather than the standard male/female stuff we are so used to.
Then consider it. The most common form of reproduction in the world is asexual. Hermaphroditism is also quite common. It is also not uncommon for species to flip sexes depending on environmental queues, even in multicellular species as complex as fish and amphibians. Hell, there are species of fish in which the male is absorbed into the female and becomes a new set of gonads for her! Even the more familiar male/female dynamics are not clearcut. Many species have neuters. Others have evolved complex behavioral patterns which create de facto sexes.
The point here is that both the Bible and our observations point to at least the possibility of a plan by a master builder.
Your bible talks about two sexes because humans generally have two sexes(and this is not even universal). It's an attempt to explain sexual dimorphism with no knowledge of genetics or evolution. In short, your bible IS an observation, not a second source of information useful for corroboration. It is just a non sequitur to assert otherwise.
all of this just highlights the engineering challenges present in building and utilizing an efficient, effective, and practical sail boat. It's not a napkin duct taped to a popsicle stick.
Definitely. I find that a lot of boaters I interact with simply don't appreciate the art and science behind a good sailboat and the sport of sailing itself. I find sailing(and sailboat building) to be interesting from the spectrum of people you meet. There are people sailing on every budget, and with all sorts of goals. This means that there is no "best sailboat." Going gunkholing down the delta puts a completely different set of demands on a boat than bluewater cruising or lake racing, for example. It's a pity that, judging from the comments on this story, a lot of people think that sailing, and even yachting in general, are just a rich person's sport.
But by all means, go ahead and go out there with a few two-by-fours and some wax and a tarp and build yourself a top-tier sailboat, and see how quick you can cut across the harbor. Make sure the coast guard's there too; your mommy might need to come pick you up when your little boat sinks.
Heh, substitute the wax with some West Systems epoxy, and it sounds like a plan! Some of the best sailing memories I have are building and sailing plywood and 2x4 boats with my kids.
I've seen a lot of small boats with junk rigs. I've never used one myself, as I generally stick with a lateen or bermuda rig for my personal boats. My dad seems fascinated by them, though, so I imagine I'll end up building one at some point.
Yet one may readily and enjoyably participate in small class boat races at a local sailing club, often for no more money than just showing up and offering to crew.
There are even racing boats designed to be built for little money, yet still offering rules for competition. My personal favorite is the Puddle Duck Racer.
Well, it may be far more technical than most people get, but I wouldn't say that it's "totally foreign." I also sail Sunfish, I'm not a racer myself, but I'm familiar with the lengths some of the catamaran sailors around here go to wring the most competitive advantage from their boats. These guys just spend WAY more time and money on it than a regular sailor could ever dream of.
Dammit, now I'll never get any work done today. I'll be thinking about sailing all afternoon.
I suppose under the banner of rational engineering we forfeit any understanding of transcendent experience, keeping our minds locked in facts and missing the beautiful mystery right in front of our faces.
You suppose wrongly. What does the mockery of religion have to do with the recognition of beauty? I spend as much time as I can in and on the oceans, and I've never once watched a soft coral sway in the current or listened to the snap of the rigging as I swing into a new tack and thought to myself, "Well, since there is no god, this is all just rubbish." I wouldn't sully the experience with a meaningless and befouled label like "sacred," but that has no bearing on the matter.
You can engage in transcendental naval gazing all you like. Just don't ask the government to grant you a special dispensation on that basis. It is really is that simple.
There is no sect of Christianity that counts the devil as a god.
Christian Gnosticism and Mormonism spring to mind immediately. I'm sure there are more examples. Of course, the "True Christians" mostly exterminated the former and claim the latter aren't Christian as long as there isn't a federal election going on. The differences seemed to evaporate pretty quickly when political expediency entered into the picture.