nope. microsoft used the ipv4 stack and at least since xp they roll their own (not sure which version it was) and this vulnerability just affects the ipv6 stack
there is just a quite big problem: what if one of the changes to my software is gpl v3 licensed (for example security related)? relicense my whole software as gpl v3?
its easy:
Intel Pentium 4 530 3.00GHz: 176
imagine you and me we are both retailers.
i buy 1000 of them, get them for 100k .
you buy exactly the same 1000 but get them for 150k .
why? because you also sell amd stuff.
still think everythings working right?
its indeed very old, but this still prooves the point that there are many more of them out there.
while they are "just" windowmanagers and not fully blown DE's your comparison is still one of the worst ones ive ever heard of, or can you run words spellchecker in notepad?
every kde or gnome application can still be run with windowmaker without the overhead of having to run the full DE without the whole bunch of stuff that gets loaded by default with kde and also different look&feel (ofcourse the applications look&feel stays the same)
what i meant with "safely stored" was "archived in some sort of database"
some form of a database will be around almost forever, if a new form of storage is invented which makes databases obsolete there will be enough tools around to move the data from a sql database to the new system, simply for the fact that to much stuff is already stored in various databases to let go of it.
additionally if this system is heavily used (i.e really everything enters it) it will grow and with it the hardware will need upgrades simply for the fact that it needs to be stored and accessed in reasonable time.
the only problem could be if the vendor of the frontend goes out of business, the source with its documentation vanishes, and someday iis will be dumped (hopefully;) ), so the frontend will be unusable. but even in that case it should be possible to reassemble a useable frontend given the case that the system is well designed.
the big difference between this system and hieroglyphs is that as long as it is used it will be maintained, and if needed adapted to future needs so as long as it is in use there will be no problem. even if new systems are developed data transfer should be quite trivial.
but this is really something only time can tell, especially with the extreme growth computers (and widespread use) went through in the last ~15 years, so you cant even predict whats gonna happen in the next 50...
you still can move the data from the old system to a new one if its at the end of its lifetime.
harddrives can easily be replaced (assuming its a sort of raid with hotswap)
sql will also stay around really long, and if not there will be at least a gazillion tools to convert to a new format (it is quite sure that the data will be stored on a sql server)
and as long as the data is safely stored the access mechnism shouldnt be a problem but thats just my.02
1GB storage, unlimited hold time (keep mails forever), pop3 access, some sorta media store (where you can upload and manage any files you want, never tried it)
the point is not about poor os design (well ok with some systems it is) but about coding errors.
in a codebase as large as windows, linux, *bsd and whatnot they can (and WILL happen) even the best of us makes a mistake or two.
so if you restrict the rights of the account you usually use (you still got full acces with another user, think osx), you limit the amount of damage a virus/worm/trojan can inflict on your system, so its infact good design if you can limit the possible damage to some files without destroying/infecting the whole system
you actually read the "usually much faster found and fixed within hours (if possible)"?
and those are imho the exceptions of the rule (for mozilla or many other "big" projects and microsoft)
and before you ask: yes i do look over many flaws in opensource software which i'd complain about in comercial software simply because i *pay* the vendor to produce something that actually *works* and as i pay i want the product to work as advertised.
so if you pay a professional, or ask a friend to paint your house green and the color simply falls off, where would you complain more? the company you payed or the friend who did it for free (or a beer or whatnot)
its true that i lack objectivity in this subject but if i dont get what i want its a big difference if (or how much) i payed for it or not, but then again ymmv.
as the other replier stated, these "here ya go, good luck" patches are working 99% of all cases (is from my own experience, ymmv) and the carefully tested microsoft patches are quite often failing miserably, in a few cases making the problem even worse
well... "know nothing" is not really true counting the numerous holes, fixed holes and whatnot, and also the rather long response times for some of them...
yes i know open source software also has numerous bugs, but as its "open" source the flaws are usually much faster found and fixed within hours (if possible)
ive been using it now for ages in debian-sid and besides a few unstable versions (early 2.0-pre?) its rock solid, with almost every (if not every) feature of emule
(amule is a linux fork of emule, with frequent code merges to keep up with the protocol)
i really dont want to dampen your enthusiasm, but wasnt the windows source code available to gouvernments and selected companies?
it was even given to the chinese government and didnt leak until very recently...
so somehow it seems microsoft hast quite some control over the source they give out.
also funnily enough it works if clonecd is installed for all users, even if the virtual drive is up and running... they might be checking for the registry key of the user only, i know its strange but it worked for me:)
hopefully once there will be enough people who are pissed off with such crap and stop buying products of those companies, they almost start to act like good ole riaa
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nope. microsoft used the ipv4 stack and at least since xp they roll their own (not sure which version it was) and this vulnerability just affects the ipv6 stack
939=DDR Ram
AM2=DDR2 Ram
have you ever realized that every npc with a mana bar is classified as a paladin?
there is just a quite big problem: what if one of the changes to my software is gpl v3 licensed (for example security related)? relicense my whole software as gpl v3?
its easy: Intel Pentium 4 530 3.00GHz: 176 imagine you and me we are both retailers. i buy 1000 of them, get them for 100k . you buy exactly the same 1000 but get them for 150k . why? because you also sell amd stuff. still think everythings working right?
its indeed very old, but this still prooves the point that there are many more of them out there.
while they are "just" windowmanagers and not fully blown DE's your comparison is still one of the worst ones ive ever heard of, or can you run words spellchecker in notepad?
every kde or gnome application can still be run with windowmaker without the overhead of having to run the full DE without the whole bunch of stuff that gets loaded by default with kde and also different look&feel (ofcourse the applications look&feel stays the same)
but with the optimized, optimizing gcc the builds become ultimately optimal
quick google search:g er1.html
http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue5/m5windowmana
and there are quite some more out there
what i meant with "safely stored" was "archived in some sort of database"
;) ), so the frontend will be unusable. but even in that case it should be possible to reassemble a useable frontend given the case that the system is well designed.
some form of a database will be around almost forever, if a new form of storage is invented which makes databases obsolete there will be enough tools around to move the data from a sql database to the new system, simply for the fact that to much stuff is already stored in various databases to let go of it.
additionally if this system is heavily used (i.e really everything enters it) it will grow and with it the hardware will need upgrades simply for the fact that it needs to be stored and accessed in reasonable time.
the only problem could be if the vendor of the frontend goes out of business, the source with its documentation vanishes, and someday iis will be dumped (hopefully
the big difference between this system and hieroglyphs is that as long as it is used it will be maintained, and if needed adapted to future needs so as long as it is in use there will be no problem. even if new systems are developed data transfer should be quite trivial.
but this is really something only time can tell, especially with the extreme growth computers (and widespread use) went through in the last ~15 years, so you cant even predict whats gonna happen in the next 50...
you still can move the data from the old system to a new one if its at the end of its lifetime.
.02
harddrives can easily be replaced (assuming its a sort of raid with hotswap)
sql will also stay around really long, and if not there will be at least a gazillion tools to convert to a new format (it is quite sure that the data will be stored on a sql server)
and as long as the data is safely stored the access mechnism shouldnt be a problem but thats just my
ever tried http://www.gmx.net/?
1GB storage, unlimited hold time (keep mails forever), pop3 access, some sorta media store (where you can upload and manage any files you want, never tried it)
the point is not about poor os design (well ok with some systems it is) but about coding errors.
in a codebase as large as windows, linux, *bsd and whatnot they can (and WILL happen) even the best of us makes a mistake or two.
so if you restrict the rights of the account you usually use (you still got full acces with another user, think osx), you limit the amount of damage a virus/worm/trojan can inflict on your system, so its infact good design if you can limit the possible damage to some files without destroying/infecting the whole system
ms patented?
the article is talking abou OO.o's xml format not the ms-proprietary one
/. :)
(the rendering bug)
you actually read the "usually much faster found and fixed within hours (if possible)"?
and those are imho the exceptions of the rule (for mozilla or many other "big" projects and microsoft)
and before you ask: yes i do look over many flaws in opensource software which i'd complain about in comercial software simply because i *pay* the vendor to produce something that actually *works* and as i pay i want the product to work as advertised.
so if you pay a professional, or ask a friend to paint your house green and the color simply falls off, where would you complain more? the company you payed or the friend who did it for free (or a beer or whatnot)
its true that i lack objectivity in this subject but if i dont get what i want its a big difference if (or how much) i payed for it or not, but then again ymmv.
as the other replier stated, these "here ya go, good luck" patches are working 99% of all cases (is from my own experience, ymmv) and the carefully tested microsoft patches are quite often failing miserably, in a few cases making the problem even worse
well... "know nothing" is not really true counting the numerous holes, fixed holes and whatnot, and also the rather long response times for some of them...
yes i know open source software also has numerous bugs, but as its "open" source the flaws are usually much faster found and fixed within hours (if possible)
ive been using it now for ages in debian-sid and besides a few unstable versions (early 2.0-pre?) its rock solid, with almost every (if not every) feature of emule
(amule is a linux fork of emule, with frequent code merges to keep up with the protocol)
well abviously not everybody knows :)
thats the usual reason (besides others) why /home should be on its own partition...
i always wondered why intel didn't call their p4's p4-ht right from the start...
(ht stands for high-temperature doesn't it?)
i really dont want to dampen your enthusiasm, but wasnt the windows source code available to gouvernments and selected companies?
it was even given to the chinese government and didnt leak until very recently... so somehow it seems microsoft hast quite some control over the source they give out.
you can still give another user admin access...
:)
also funnily enough it works if clonecd is installed for all users, even if the virtual drive is up and running... they might be checking for the registry key of the user only, i know its strange but it worked for me
hopefully once there will be enough people who are pissed off with such crap and stop buying products of those companies, they almost start to act like good ole riaa
its rather easy to work around this problem:
just create a new user account and play from there... no need to uninstall clonecd or whatnot, you just need to switch user profiles for playing...
or you can still simply download a crack
But they are not nearly as secure as NetBeer