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Kazaa Loses P2P Crown To Edonkey
I(rispee_I(reme writes "According to the network population stats at slyck, FastTrack (home of Kazaa) is no longer the most populous filesharing network. Top honors now belong to edonkey, a network of German origins. (Most edonkey users connect with emule, a gpl client for Windows)."
No wonder I can find so much David Hasselhoff stuff on edonkey.
If you're in a hurry, try something else.
I was looking for PS2 Linux a while ago, and the only place I could
find it was on eDonkey. 10-15 people shared it, so I started the
download, and went out to buy a USB keyboard and mouse. After letting
eDonkey run for about 1 week, my brand new and unused keyboard+mouse
had collected enough dust, so I gave up and uninstalled it in frustration.
The same day I found a guy on a DC++ Hub that had the two DVD iso's online.
Downloaded them in a couple of hours, and had the thing installed on my PS2
a little later the same evening.
eDonkey may have lots of users and files, but MAAAN it's slow!
At least in my personnal circle of friends, the reason why Kazaa usage stopped was the effective killing off of Kazaa lite.
I've noticed a *drastic* deterioration of quality of content lately, having all those kazaa losers coming over would explain that.
Now, being #1, means the industries will start targeting ed2k and its associated clients next.
Greaaaat...
---- Booth was a patriot ----
see what happens when you let anyone grab the code
you get a true distributed P2P system that is free and highly expandable
grab the source and make a great app even better and more secure
You Mean Everyone Hasn't changed to Bittorrent yet?
go check the site again...
Amongst the kids (which I'm no longer) Soulseek is the P2P of choice. Partially because it's so easy to find a friend's files.
eDonkey has its place. I use it to download MST3K episodes from www.dapcentral.org. It's slow, but I've never had a single corrupt download. When you're talking 4.7 GB (in some cases) it's pretty damn good.
...in the eAss!
(boo, hiss, back to the secret bunker)
In a related note, am I the only one who sees eMule suck up virtually all the cpu for like 10-3- second bursts? Then again, I haven't tried it at least 6 months. SOmething to do tonight (at the secret bunker).
Shut up, Donkey!
I'm not sure why the link goes to slyck.com instead of the actual news story, but the direct link is here
Most P2P clients I've found nowadays are either spyware infested and bloated with so many unnecessary features that they consume more memory than I'm willing to give up.
That, or there aren't enough users on the network to make it worthwhile.
Anyone know of a decent alternative?
"Those looking for movies and images, their choice have become the growing BitTorrent or eDonkey2000 networks."
Idiots.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Maybe you are. I don't know. What I do know is that donkeys are asses. Mules are, well, mules. And sterile. Cross species lovin' doesn't pay.
Current stats from the slyck page:
FastTrack 2,493,637 eDonkey2K 2,402,593
Eh?More like... nerdular nerdence!
That's because the PS2 linux dev kit is warez.
Yeah, boo-hoo downloading obscure warez on P2P is slow.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
edonkey has an interesting race to the bottom characteristic. If you give it all your bandwidth you will end up sharing 5-10 times the size you originally intended to download. So any emule user with a clue will cap his upload bandwidth, which makes everyone else slow. Edonkey may be the place to find stuff, but it's not the place to download large binaries.
did you forget to take your meds?
This is very curious. At first, all you would hear
about the eDonkey network was "it sucks", and
depending on the client you use, it still does:
It can take weeks to download a big file, even
if it's popular.
The official linux client is not bad at all, however
development is extremely slow, and it's closed
source nature is probably not helping in
this respect. You are encouraged to use the older
versions as many people experience segfaults
and weird problems all the time with their "latest" version.
Anyway, the eDonkey developers once tried
to kill it off in favor of Overnet, their
newer p2p implementation... (this would seem to
justify the slow ed2k development) but i guess it didn't
take off (I could never make the linux client
work at all anyway)
This is bad news, I've come to associate with edonkey as having zillions of files - but no one sharing them. That's why it's slower than pondwater, even on dialup. Now that word is spreading, this terrible quality will only deteriorate.
ed2k won't be #1 for long.
Why can't all fpga/microcontroller manufacturers just release free optimizing compilers???
Now all the Overpeers, Cyveillances, BayTSPs, and other black-helicopter traitor-to-freedom companies will be out in force on eMule.
CEE5210S The signal SIGHUP was received.
you'd realize that FastTrack had 2,493,637 and eDonkey2K had 2,402,593 on September 21, 2004 19:00.
Furthermore, if you bothered to read the article they posted about FastTrack closing in on eDonkey2K, you would have also noticed the following:
Although the statistics show the eDonkey2000 network slightly ahead of FastTrack at the time of this writing, it is much too early to declare a new P2P King. Too many variables currently exist in the way that a client collect their population numbers to difinatively stay that one network is ahead of another. However, what is certain is that the eDonkey2000 network is closing in on FastTrack, and if Sharman does not fall back on their "invaluable experience" soon, a new P2P King will be crowned.
That's because the PS2 linux dev kit is warez.
What do you download from P2P networks that's not warez? (Yes mp3's, games, movies, etc are considered to be 'warez')
I'm not sure how recently you saw the stats but as of 8PM CST Fastrack leads by a slim margin. Also i believe Edonkey was started by a New York firm; more information can be found at the link in the main post.
Wow, I thought only stupid non-computer type people use Kazaa. I didn't think anybody used eDonkey. I use giFT ( gnutella + openft ), winmx ( with wine ), and DC. I really don't trust any of the other p2p networks enough. Or more properly worded, I don't trust the users of the other p2p networks enough. And of course, there's always my favorite new file transfer program, gaim + jabber.
Oh yeah, BT, duh. But that doesn't really count, does it?
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Parent is dead right.
... but I suppose that was bound to happen when you move from exchanging 4mb mp3 files, to 4GB vob archives :)
eD2k rewards people for uploading, but seems to reward people for sitting in queue better.
The way to effectively get files with ed2k is with a 10GB queue of content which you just forget about for a week or two. -- It's a bit of a culture change after kazaa and napster where you immediatly start downloading files.
My all time favourite client for accessing eDonkey, Gnutella, Gnutella 2 and Bitorrents, all in one shiney app is Shareaza. This is one great client that I've had wonderful success with. I recommend it as easy to use and very powerful.
The reason I use ed2k (through the emule client) is that the community is by and large really into file-sharing, NOT file-trading. Hence, you can readily find years-old material for download. In pristine uncorrupted condition no less.
P2P networks like Bittorrent and DC++ have an air
of "grab all you can and go offline, fuck the other guy" attitude that I really detest. Not to mention that they're only really good for brand new releases...
Haven't heard of Kazaa Lite Resurrection?
Geez moderators... don't you have humor??
Now thanks to that statistic the hired goons of the MPAA and RIAA will be trying to break the Donkey's legs.
"Knock, knock, who's there?
Goons.
Who?
Hired goons.
punch-beat-pummel-club-club-stab..."
Ideally, name them all profanely, such as fuckcock, shitcunt, ect.
That way, you make the **AA's press releases completely useless, the evening news won't talk about it, the networks are far less likely to be full of fake files, as there are too many to police.
Meanwhile, I will continue to use Shitwhorrent!
It works already!
btw, i run eMule 24/7 serving freeware files. no I actually do, i don't share copyright stuff, got caught doing that already (watch out Movie fans! don't share those files for months on end). i'm always uploading freeware aswell so i know it's a popular distribution mechanism for that.
This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.
It seems that the RIAA is hiring programmers to 'alter current internal software suite ('AutoSue CopyProtector') to incorporate new networks and TCP IP protocols..'
now, as far as speed, like many people have mentioned, it can be slow. I'm sure I'm over simplifying, but think of ed2k the same as BitTorrent, only instead of the queueing of bandwidth being for only one single file, it is for your entire list of files. It can take quite a long time to complete downloads, but knowing that you're going to get a nice, uncorrupted file makes it worthwhile.
eMule, the open source variant, contains many enhancements over the standard eDonkey client, and there are numerous mods in circulation. this can include Fakelist databases, ip to country checking, and the ability to tweak your bandwidth usage. there is also a web-based and mobile (cell phone) client built in so you can monitor your eMule from anywhere.
It should be noted that there is a Legal Content Database hosted by the project, containing links to freeware/shareware and public domain stuff.
look at the number at the bottom on the suprnova.org website:
181473 seeded torrents (295138 total), 2594211 seeds & 4043961 downloaders (6638172 peers), on 1317 active trackers
I have no issues with emule speed; just open up your upload pipe and it should go quick enough. I normaly cap my download pipe in an hour or so.
"Top honors now belong to edonkey, a network of German origins.
And it too will eventially become the focus of the RIAA, whereupon it will lose users and be knocked off of its top spot in favor of the new P2P network of the moment. maybe the KazPlat network. Who knows, but it's inevitable.
You need a FREE iPod Nano
Kazaa is lot faster and can find you anhy song you like. For example some old Swedish Eurovision song contest winners. Try finding Herreys' from emule, it takes about a minute. If you want a full album emule is your tool.
Please enlighten me: Why do most users use eMule? I heard that it a) has compatibility problems on the ED2K network, and b) is based on an old version of Edonkey (v60?) and does not support Horde. Is this true? I've been staying away from it as I don't want to cause problems on the wonderful network. Plus, Overnet works great.
It sucks that Overnet/eDonkey is becoming popular. That means it will be the next to be shut down by the likes of RIAA/MPAA. :( Overnet rocks.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/ 09/22/BAGQO8SOCF1.DTL
...). I really do think the basic rules have changed. It's going to be so hard to stop certain activities (file sharing or political dissent) that the people involved might as well resign themselves to the new order. The RIAA can adapt or die. The government of China can liberalize or ??? OK maybe we have a problem there.
Interesting about today's other related story: California makes a law that file sharers must identify themselves via their email addresses. Then there's the other related story about China blocking web sites and Google cooperating with them.
Maybe I was wrong about it being like Spy vs Spy. Maybe it's more like Coyote vs Roadrunner. Governments try to plug the holes and people find new holes (Napster > Kazaa > this one > the next one
Edonkey and the network have U.S. origins - http://www.edonkey2000.com/contact.html
Although Emule, which I think is now the most popular client, has German origins.
That's because the PS2 linux dev kit is warez.
Wow! You mean the eDonkey software is able to detect whether a given file infringes copyright, and automatically makes sure that those, and only those, files are incredibly slow downloads? That's better than anything the MPAA has!
I am Sartre of the Borg. Existence is futile.
The main reason I use eDonkey2000? ed2k links. You can click on a link that has a MD5 hash of the file you want from an HTML file and it immediately places the download in your eDonkey queue without having you to search for the file yourself. It's great for finding file releases that have a lot of sources, thereby quickening your download.
Honestly, nothing compares to an intelligent blend of binary newsgroups, IRC, and torrents (when I am getting desperate only!) And I officially predict this post as flamebait
--- "End Of Line" - MCP
There's some non-copyright stuff out there.
I don't use any of the P2P filesharing apps, the combination of ftp and knowing the right people worked before, it works still, and it'll work 10 years from now after congress has laid down 90000 laws specific to "P2P networks".
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Is that someone pays attention to both.
Currently FastTrack and eDonkey are the two top peer to peer networks. In almost every conceivable way, eDonkey is better than FastTrack. The reason FastTrack is popular at all is because it was the first decentralized network to pick up steam after the demise of Napster. They quickly rose to 4 million users, far above every other network.
But after decentralization, no new features were added. Instead, lots and lots and lots of spyware was bundled into the Kazaa Client by Sharman Networks inc. Kazaa Lite, the popular non-spyware altnerative, was shut down by this same company. Several DMCA notices were issued to sites hosting Kazaa Lite.
In the long run, a better client will supercede a poorer client once word of mouth gets around. And eDonkey far exceeds Kazaa with these features:
Hashing (fingerprinting, prevents fake files)
Swarming downloads
ed2k link sites (fingerprint information on specific files in the form of html code)
No spyware (for eMule)
Lots of different clients to choose from
In short, Sharman killed off their network by spending way too much time generating ad revenue, and not using that revenue to improve their client. There have been no important feature additions in years. This day has been long time coming.
Corporations: your universal scapegoat for all society's ills.
No, it's dead. Face it, you've got 1 billion people connected and a grand total of 10MB shared.
I don't care to use it, whether I can connect or not.
I have always been of the opinion that BitTorrent and the ed2k network have been designed around very large files such as isos, dvds, and other things larger than bitty mp3 music files. These large files are where the applications really accel. I have often said it easier to get a whole album of songs than just one specific one on such networks. One thing that people often complain about is dialup speed transfers. I have read that this is because of a "low-id" given to most clients who don't have two ports forwarded to the machine. I believe eMule's suggested ports are 4662 and 4672. With a bit of testing I've deteremined that both BT and eMule work better with their respective ports forwarded. I've also always wondered what the Democrats thing of eDonkey.
I think donkey is ass.
I don't know why anyone would bother with eMule anymore. The Horde is probably the best implementation of an anti leech system I've ever seen, and more importantly, it works well. You partner with other clients, and you both exchange parts you both need. Takes care of the leeching problem nicely, and gets you your download in a timely manner. Highly recommended.
I tried eDarl, but couldn't get it to work. Kept asking for a license fee for stolen code, but I didn't know what it was talking about, so I deleted it.
Edonkey is crap. Soulseek is crap. Why pay $5 a month for "download privileges" when you can pay $10 for an Easynews account with a 10 to 14GB limit, unlimited speed, and everything you could ever want right now with no waiting? You get all the Movies, pc and console games, OS's, applications, and mp3's you could ever want without any liabilty for sharing. 99% of the stuff seen on P2P networks like Edonkey and Soulseek starts in the newsgroups and IRC anyway. Finally, people who share other's IP out in public in this day and age are fucking morons. The ONLY even semi-respectable ilk of this type of downloading is extremely small DC hubs where you know and trust everyone.
Again, P2P is for idiots and is beaten by a good news server anytime.
Even though EMule may now be the most popular client, the EDonkey network was started by US company MetaMachine, which began in San Francisco in 2000 but then moved in 2002 with its founder Jed McCaleb to New York.
Someone mentioned ED2K hashes being MD5; in fact last I checked they were a composite hash based on MD4 (!). Don't tell any of the bad guys that.
WASTE
One of the handy features of eMule is IP filter. You can see you're being watched and you can see who's watching you.
Any specific reason why anyone isn't using LimeWIre?
..........FULL STOP.
That would be because it's not a leaching network. You get back what you put in, if you want to leech your not welcome here.
The clients have been designed for fairness and _sharing_ rather than grab as much as you can and then go offline.
DC on the other hand is this mentality, you can keep your leaching corrupt network.
GPLv2: I want my rights, I want my phone call! DRM: What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak?
for the really cheap. You don't "have" to pay for a commercial news server account. Many ISP's include Free news server access. Verizon one of the biggest ISP's just upgraded their news server's retention rate and offers pretty much unlimited downloads. Feel free to stick with kazaa etc though I'm sure the RIAA would rather you did since it makes their life that much easier.
That is a good idea (the profane name part).
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Regardless of "who's on top" or "who's bigger than whom," the fact that there are multiple, competing and viable peer-to-peer sharing platforms, should give most open-minded people a good, winning feeling. Fair use is a great thing, and some folks resent paying for four or five different forms (records, eight-track, cassette tapes, CDs, Music DVDs, digital MP3s) of the same exact song, piece of software or movie; simply because the old medium type was retired, or because the old media reached the end of its short useful lifespan. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a song, and have the right to listen to that song...forever?
Yet, I digress. The media companies have, for too long now, held the consumers and the actual artists responsible for the art-form in question, hostage. The artists aren't losing the vast majority of their profits on P2P...it's the large corporations that take the lion's share of the end product that ends up with losses. I say turn all media digital, and have us pay for only the individual songs, videos, or whatever piece of work you actually like, and get rid of the rest of the album filler...and associated over-head cost. I'll bet people would like that a lot...and I think that P2P integrated with a useable, small cash payment system, is going to really hurt the greedy media companies, while helping bring more of the end profit directly to the artists responsible.
LeeWare Development has the largest collection of non-infringing content links for ed2k and the speed is good because the servers are connected @ 100Mbps. I know that the network can be slow for some content but not for all.
http://www.leeware.com
eDonkey was Created by Jed McCaleb, an American, who continues to run eDonkey in New York.
Note, you can run donkey on windows, mac, and linux
eDonkey was started by Jed McCaleb in California, not Germany. A couple years ago he moved to NYC which is where MetaMachine is now located. Not germany.
Why Shareaza?
- Gnutella support
- Gnutella2 support
- Edonkey2000 support
- BitTorrent support
- Free!
- No Spyware.
- Open Source. Really!
Where do I get it? Download (via Sourceforge:UMN)The old kazaalite let you set your participation level to 1000, and then you could turn off sharing. It still works fine (or at least that is what a friend told me....).
BTW, given the current fascisto-legal environment here in America, I would not recommend that any American citizen share any copyrighted files on any p2p network, but especially not on bittorrent, as that network works with software that can tell any client on the network the IP of every uploader AND every downloader, and you cannot ONLY download on bittorrent.
Seems to me that the best alternative is to use the old version of kazaalite, turn off sharing, and set your participation level to 1000. I see no way for anyone using that configuration to be in any danger. Just my opinion. Anyone else have an opinion on that?
eat shiat and bark at the moon
I'm suprised no one has mentioned it already, but mldonkey is a nice cross-platform edonkey client. It runs pretty nicely on Linux (and somewhat decently on Windows) and comes with a web and telnet interface (it also supports third-party GUI clients).
As an added benefit, mldonkey supports FastTrack, Gnutella 1 and 2, DirectConnect, SoulSeek, Bittorrent, OpenNap...you get the idea. I've been using it for a couple of years, and it's replaced every P2P client for me.
Oh, edonkey is a great network to find PDFs of textbooks - a godsend for students.
I'm Trappped at Berkeley.
I have eMule files that i've started downloading months ago and are not finished yet.
The biggest advantage Kazaa has over eMule is that if i want an MP3 i get it in around 5-10 minutes.
It may be full of crap, but at these speeds i can afford to set up five or six downloads and pick the good one when they're done.
I also have soulseek which is good for downloading full albums and such with the download containing dir thing.
But soulseek is pretty small and has that whole getting one file from one source thing.
Are you drunk, or just trolling?
huh???
eat shiat and bark at the moon
Hee-haw!
-- "Makes Little Debbie look like a pile of puke!" - Moe Szyslak
... Kazaa is dying.
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eDonkey is definitely not about speed. Bittorrent usually end up with much faster downloads. I consider it as my "archive" ressource. It's way easier to find old and obscure files on that than on bittorrent sites.
One feature I particularly like about eMule is that it supports both server-based operation and decentralized Kademlia (a kind of distributed hash table) searching. The two systems work together nicely and usually end up with more sources than one one of them.
I'm not an instant gratification type of person. I easily delt with the long queues in WinMX, but eDonkey's are obscene.
But the morons cry: "DUR THIS ISNT A LEECHER NETWORK"
Well, fuck you for wanting me to upload 50 gigs of shit with my 15Kb upstream before I can pull down a 200MB episode of Penn&Teller's Bullshit, when I can just go find a torrent on Suprnova, or pull it off of Fasttrack, or pull it off WinMX, or Gnutella2 (which is flooded with fake files being hosted by a hojillion simarily named dummy accounts).
So yeah, eDonkey sucks. Use something else.
I used to run a personal mirror of sn but now they block torrents based on referer, those bastards.
The only idea i had was what if we took an unknown p2p network and used it to store the torrents. Searchabe, distributed...
What do you think? Any other ideas?
but you haven't LIVED 'til you've heard the theme song to "Spongebob Schwamkopff."
Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
it really depends on if you are using something like shareconnector or something. i've found that (especially allowing 4662/et al through) that i get phenominal speeds. upwards of 150k on cable. i feel like it's good at least.
not messed with dc though.
you can't have everything, where would you put it?
>eD2k rewards people for uploading, but seems to >reward people for sitting in queue better.
it rewards for not capping your upload in the software, but if you use an outgoing traffic limiting thing at the router the software knowns no different. i get the same dl speed if i'm giving my full 40k up (ack) or limiting it to 5k~10k
you can't have everything, where would you put it?
Bittorrent is no better than vanilla FTP for "file sharing"! You can't hide your illegal activity behind it because it only works best if you PUBLISH [it better be legal!]what you're offering for download...exactly opposite of Kazzaa & such. Bittorrent isn't designed with "privacy" features...nor is it designed to catalog what you want to share. It's purly a distribution mechanism to ease the bandwidth issues... i.e. it's designed so the legal publishers can distribute files w/o paying enourmous bandwidth fees...think of it as "paying" for the download by sharing with the next person...
Bittorrent is to allow sites with large files to BENIFIT from the /. effect!!!
Fare thee well eDonkey. It was good while it lasted.
You sir are a model citizen of the p2p revolution.
A lot of people don't realize you have to punch one or two holes in your firewall in order for Edonkey to work at good speeds. It's true that Edonkey is generally slow, but I think the impression that it is "ass-slow" comes from having to configure Edonkey to work through firewalls or suffer grave consequences.
Once Edonkey has you recognized as "Available", then speeds will start to pick up. Yea, you won't get 200kb/sec. downloads, but you'll get 30k/sec or so, and will be able to find stuff you can't normally find on Kazaa and other networks.
I use Edonkey in a set-it-and-forget-it way.
Now that Edonkey has a bittorrent plug-in, things are even better. Bittorrent is still (IMO) the fastest way to get files (if you can find a good torrent), but Edonkey does something very nice by allowing you to download a file from Bittorrent peers AND Edonkey peers simultaneously... that's pretty neat! I'd like it if they develop that plug-in even further.
well, I do not think it wise for any American to be a good citizen of the p2p networks. One must face reality. Americans who want to use the networks would bave to leech off of citizens in other --more citizen-oriented, as opposed to corporation-oriented -- countries. And those citizens of those citizen-oriented countries should let them leech.
"To each according to his needs, and from each according to his abilities." To be a good citizen of ANY community--p2p community or otherwise--one should abide by that maxim, IMHO.
eat shiat and bark at the moon
Soulseek? I thought that was for music only? At least, that's what their web site seems to suggest. If by P2P you mean music, then I guess you're right.
Well let us leech off your enormous wealth... which I might add is generated in large part by workers in other countries...
I am having a little trouble following you....can you elaborate?
eat shiat and bark at the moon
A couple of things you need to understand about the technology before you immediately jump out and declare it to be "slow".
Firstly, you need to open several ports on your firewall to ensure you have a "highid", which is, for our purposes here, a measure of your connectivity to the network and therefore your usefulness as an uploader.
Secondly, you must understand that eMule uses a "credit" system. Your place on other people's queue is not simply determined on a first come first served basis. You continually jostle with other people in queues for the upload/download position. Some of the key helpers for getting a good spot in the queue: Good credit rating. If you upload a lot of stuff to the network, you will have good credit and you will quickly reach the front of the queue. Your connection speed, especially uploads, will help you. Whether you are uploading to the person you are downloading from will help. Whether you have a high-id or not (high-id's are very important!).
eDonkey/mule is a long term download program, and should not be confused with bittorrent or DCC. Once you've been online for a while with eDonkey, you will find that you achieve downloads more quickly, and you will have a better experience.
I am government man, come from the government. The government has sent me. -- G.I.R.
To take and not give back is a crime.
:(
Saying that because we have freedom's you lack you can take without giving is pretty painful when there are so many aspects of life in which you ignore the needs of others (true of all people unfortunatly)...
I don't mind if it's unconscious but when someone makes a conscious decision to take without returning anything to society it kind of makes one sad
why do cable/dsl connections have shit for upstream bandwidth? it's like 300-500kb download and 30-50kb upload.. it pretty much makes everybody on a cable/dsl connection a leach.
I just installed DC++ I have 200kb upload and a single dsl connection is sucking it dry.. meanwhile I'm downloading an initial d episode at 10kb. why??
I searched thru the settings in dc++ and can't find any way to throttle the upstream.
bite my glorious golden ass.
They kicked ass against the better equiped and organized Roman legions
(yes I know...other mitigating circumstances...let me have my fun)
Blar.
This is very true. I can't download a single iso off of edonkey but one night I decided I needed every episiode of futurama and family guy. I was able to queue the content in less than 5 min. Several weeks later I had finished downloading and every file was verified by a sha1 checksum. Downloading a single file isnt practical because the users upload to you at a very small fraction of their total bandwidth. Thats probably like less than 1KB. If I queue up 40+ files I can keep my 3mbit connection busy for a long while.
No X = less drag and better security.
The speeds are asymmetric because the ISPs have found that people just don't care. They advertise downstream all over the place, but the common person (i.e., one who does not get the service with the specific intent to share) wouldn't even notice the upload cap - for things like browsing, it's just not a problem.
This means, of course, that they get to charge much more for high uploads... They win either way. Ever notice how the DSL/Cable TOS always specify that you're not supposed to be hosting a server?
Once you've been online for a while with eDonkey, you will find that you achieve downloads more quickly, and you will have a better experience.
Most of us, while we do not mind sharing, do not have several weeks to do so. We have jobs and school and other things outside of waiting for our 'credit' to go up on some rogue filesharing network.
They're designed for the "average" user, who will tend to download far more than they upload. As P2P sharing becomes more widespread I expect ISPs will respond with different deals more suitable for this.
For the moment I just leave BitTorrent running in the background but capped to 5kbs, over a week or two it's surprising how it adds up - "screen" is a great program for this purpose it completely hides the interface while you're not interested in what's happening.
Well, i'm not an expert or anything, but i imagine it's because there is only so much bandwidth in the line. Since most people want 'high-speed' Internet service because of the increased downloading speed, rather than the increased uploading speed, more priority goes to the former.
Like, for example, with DSL, i know the bandwidth used to be divided up into sections. Like it would be t|uuuuuu|ddddddddddddd. 't' being the voice line, 'u' being the upload, and 'd' being the download. If you increase the upload, you decrease the download.
I'm not sure that it works like that anymore, though. With DSL i know that they no longer divide it up into fixed sections like that, but i don't know about cable (or how the new DSL technology works). :/
I was obtaining some movies my girlfriend likes (go google "Andrew Blake") - there's 3x more on edonkey and while I still don't see anywhere near my 50kb a second maxed out, I prefer trickling stuff in at 5kb a second vs .05 (no, that's absoloutely not an exaggeration)
Kazaa is dead, long live the king,... or something.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
What is he doing here on?
Is it that we all here have some secret admiration for this Hasselhoff guy?
Edonkey used to be my place of choice when i had a 45kb upload cap. But then i moved and had to switch to DSL which gave me 15kb.. sometimes it takes me months now to get anything on edonkey, I only go there to find anything i can not find on bittorrent.
"That's why nobody uses it!"
Um... nobody uses it... um... let's see... from suprnova
Known trackers: 161,699 seeded torrents (268,475 total), 2,446,717 seeds & 3,695,090 downloaders (6,141,807 peers), on 1,265 active trackers.
Yeah, because over 6Million uses active at the momeent is nobody. That's why you can download DVD size files in very short periods of time...
The rest of your points are correct, and it's useless for anything that's not currently 'popular' (which can include old stuff like the SW LD rips), that's what real P2P networks are for... but it's GREAT for getting down files FAST.
Make sure your firewall is setup properly (if you don't have the right ports forwarded it's sloooow).
eMule is not the fastest thing out there but because of the unique file ID's and the comments function I am always downloading exactly what I al looking for. Also, I never get file errors on big ISO's etc.
Overall though I prefer Torrent but the variety of stuff isn't there.
One more thing.. any time you run the free version of Edonkey it constantly tries to give you popups and insteall spy/adware on your computer. I've got it all blocked but it is still annoying. One nice thing about bittorrent is you do not have to worry about that.
Kazaa Lite Digital Life has the following "Lite" P2P apps available:
K-Lite K++ 2.4.3 (the original)
Kazaa Lite Resurrection
Kazaa LiteTools K++
K-Lite 2.6
iMesh Lite
Grokster Lite
Overnet Lite
eDonkey2000 Lite
LimeWire Lite
Blubster Lite
"Most edonkey users connect with emule, a gpl client for Windows"
I don't know about you, but I use the standard eDonkey client, why bother going with something not made from the people that made the servers for something as simple as a P2P client.
So I guess we're all into german porn nowadays?
I was referring to the RIAA/MPAA et al who might want to shut it down. more users are always welcome :) I'm not "elitist" at all, i set as many people up with eMule as i can, i've found everyone regardless of age/gender/geekiness quickly falls in love with it :)
This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.
Meant to reply to mistersooreams' comments. My mistake.
Let me guess, you own an ipod..
I've never had any problrms with it. Check you equipment and settings.
It is a bit slow, when I download some anime I used to see when I was a bit younger. Those files could be considered very rare in the eDonkey community. But they are completely non-existent on torrents and kazaa!
But I recently downloaded a file of about 3 GB in one week, and this was not an old file. But it is completely non-existent on torrents and kazaa too!
Azureus and suprnova.org.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
and the award for the stupidest comment on /. today goes to (ba-dada-da-daaaaaaaaaaaa):
KaiLoi (User 711695)
(roar of approval from the audience)
CONGRATULATIONS! and may we see your stupidity here again soon.
No no - dont thank us - THANK YOU.
For starters, I think the article meant eMule
All my sources seem to be using eMule, nobody uses EDonkey anymore. Embrace the power of free software!
Secondly... Jeez! Oh nuts! Now the RIAA is gonna come after us eDonkey users!
Online backup with Mozy, sounds like Ozzie, but more!
My guess:
70+% is illegal trading of warez, music, and movies.
20% is child porn. It's sickening how easy it is to find. You long-time eMule users know what I'm talking about, how they use certain well-known keywords to sneak them into search results.
2% is legal stuff like Linux trading and public domain files.
Not saying eMule itself is illegal, just saying it's really sad how this amazing technology we call P2P mostly gets used to fulfill base desires of entitlement, and few people seem to care about implementing any sort of enforcement (because no matter what, content rights management is evil, right? Slashdot told me so).
I was with you right up until the end when you used "paradigm".
Get lost, you marketing dept. fuckwad.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
I actually have a T1 connection, my max upload is 200kb/sec.. I'm bitching because a single dsl connection is sucking it all away.
I guess nobody had the foresight when deciding to trade gobs of upstream for downstream with these damn'd home connections that they'd be creating an army of leaches. Actually I guess thats exactly what wanted to do.
Imagine the possibilities in P2P if all the leaches had 50/50 bandwidth
bite my glorious golden ass.
You get higher priority to download from users that you're uploading to. The system is set up so that people trade file chunks with each other that each person is missing. Uploading more gives you overall higher priority to download.
The "5-10 times" is highly exaggerated. Usually, I'm uploading about 1/3 to 1/2 of what I'm downloading, which is right for this network.
eDonkey has always been the premiere place to download large binaries. You just don't find good 800+MB files on Kazaa or anything else. Often, you can determine the validity of a file on eMule just by doing a search and sorting by availability. The highest availability is always (in every case I've tried) exactly what I'm looking for. eMule even highlights high availability hashes with blue.
Flip burgers much?
Cross species lovin' doesn't pay.
Sure it does.
Companies are getting rich by selling selectively bred crops that don't naturally produce seeds.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Mostly, the reason for that is because of how the network is designed. For anyone to find anything, people simply have to keep content shared for long periods of time, until enough file chunks are flying around that it has a high availability value. On eMule, you're usually grabbing chunks sporadically from multiple users all over the place. On Kazaa and other places, you would usually download almost the entire file from one or two people.
IMHO, the reason port forwarding is important, is that a big percentage of P2P users do not have ports forwarded. eMule and BT, like most other programs can NOT establish connections between two users who are behind NAT's without port forwards. There are tricks like sending coordinated UDP packets to each others router, but that's a bad hack that is increasingly unusable as routers get more secure in their default modes. Also, there is Universal Plug and Play, but I don't have much experience with that.
Anyway, take control of your half of the connection, and you will gain the ability to share files with everyone and generally get stuff faster.
FWIW, I think eMule and BT are both excellent. BT for really quick releases; eMule for older, libraries of files.
http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/082504.asp
look at the headline "RIAA Steps Up Efforts Against Illegal File Sharers, eDonkey Users Among Those Sued"
I wonder why they included that.
Shareaza clients (rather their users, but I have heard Shareaza is set not to share by default) usually don't follow accepted P2P sharing standards so many bit torrent sites I know of will snub/ban you for using that client. FYI, get a real BT client and share. Also, other P2P clients like iMesh that also used the FastTrack network were sued by the RIAA and settled even though the law has come out in favor of decentralized networks. However the caving in (plus the virus filled, mislabeled and low amount of seeded files on FastTrack) has driven most old users of those apps to the newer BT clients. I am quite happy with my BT so I won't be rushing off to emule or edonkey anytime soon ;D
Dude, that's nothing. Try looking for William Shatner's rendition of "Rocketman" or "Lucy in the sky with diamonds". You will split your sides laughing. The album takes the cake for worst record ever made.
How good did you feel when you discovered that the Linux kit is basically useless? I have to ask though, after buying/supplying a Ps2 network adaptor, hard drive, keyboard, mouse, memory card and monitor cable, wouldn't it have just been cheaper to buy the whole kit from Sony? Granted, they don't sell it anymore, but it was only $150.
Bork Bork Bork!!
While such a system might make sense for a small group or dedicated club, for a large scale p2p app more than just a tiny amount of that sort of elitism/favoritism is not good for useability and could limit the network. How do you get much new stuff on a network if everyone who tries it gets nothing for the first few days and gives up? Now before anyone starts in on how much is on edonky/mule I would like to point out it still gets stuff from people who got stuff from other p2p networks, ftp, or thier own efforts. Plus I suspect these 'features' matured over time and weren't so new-user unfriendly in the beggining. I just think the way edonky works to limit it's own utility tends to chase off potential contributers.
And how does the credit system work? if it's p2p is credit 'shared' somehow by distributing a persons credit rating? kept by the hubs? looks like there is potential to 'fake' a good credit rating there.
Anyway I've found it useless to use the edonky network with shareaza as you sit in line for hours then get a slow trickle from some guy who vanishes without closing the connection so it just sits there taking up a d/l slot untill I notice it. It's rarely failed to use more bandwith in the connection than in the actuall file transfer.
Mycroft
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I never used Kazza, so perhaps these problems exist with it as well, but here are some things that really suck about Edonkey/Overnet:
1) Hardly any music. The other night I was looking for a Bjork album (that I own, of course!) and I got no results from a search. For being the biggest network, you'd think someone would have it.
2) Fakes - lots of fakes. If you're downloading, say, Starwars Battlefront (why you'd be doing this unless you own it, I couldn't say!), you'd better get an AVI preview tool to make sure you're not actually downloading any German-midget public-facial porn. Because the odds are high that you are. I suppose renaming obscure stuff to "Windows Longhorn Beta" will spread the obscure files faster, but it's annoying.
3) The search blows. Share Reactor was the solution - verified links (which fixed problem #2), but it got taken down. There needs to be some Freenet-like system that allows people to discuss the files in an anonymous way that the MPAA/RIAA can't take down. Also, a way to "vote" on files would be a nice feature.
4) Slow. Really slow. I don't mind, but if you can find the file on Supernova/etc, the difference is night and day.
Assuming youre talking about the North American PS2 Linux: yeah, it may be warez, but they're not selling it anymore, so its not like they're losing money to people that are downloading it. I'm sorry, but even though something may be illegal, it doesn't make it wrong. This is one such case.
Laws != Morals
Get off your moral high-horse. Your post didn't even respond to his - he was *on-topic*, you weren't.
Ah crap. Neither am I.
I think that you are thinking about this http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/technicalDetails.s html
I try it from time to time, but it lacks content. That will change when it becomes more popular. There was a story about mute on shashdot before.
the credit system has now been secured, you can see the docs for details. hash stealing (credit theft) was a problem for a while, no longer.
eMule is not an elitist network at all, it's the opposite. unlike DC++ etc. it requires very little user knowledge or share material. it does however take some time in some cases. it is fine for people who only want one album every other week. start it up, get your album, quit the app. in the time between the download finishing and you noticiing, on average you've done your bit for the network.
this is all based on real experience using eMule. you should try it, it's got so popular for a reason.
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I think the client wars was what turned me off ed2k.
You're right in that emule has had it's problems of client warfare. But there are many sides at fault, including Emule.
I had used the default ED2k client for linux at first, and then suddenly it sucked. Why? Client wars. Emule stopped working with the default ED2K client. I left a conection on all week long and couldn't get anything from it. Emule instituted a protocol change on a new revision causing it to favor other emule clients at first.
Then after reading some forums, I found out about a nice little client called mldonkey. Mldonkey was nice and fast, at least for the linux side, and apparently some people in the emule world were a little more than jealous. Or maybe mldonkey really sucked. Who really cares?
The final straw was when the Emule coders put in a long queue with a default queue size of something like 4096, meaning that you would only get slices after such time passed that you got yourself at the top of a queue, typically this was a day. But it also meant you couldn't get small files for a while. Apparently people were pissed with mldonkey because it could deliver sources more effectively and they wanted to slow it down. Apparently it was too good. At the low point, someone in the emule crowd got his minions to mail-bomb the author of mldonkey (and then he went for Yoga).
And it got to the point that if you wanted to ensure a decent speed you had to go get the latest
mldonkey from cvs every other week and then compile it. "Fuck this shit!" I said, "FUCK IT!"
Thankfully there's bittorrent, I'm going to do my yoga.
read this: credit is also a short term thing and not even very important. it's only a modifier. some clients turn it off or don't have it. you could even block your uploads and probably download fine.
I have tried it, that's why I don't use it. It always used the most bandwith for connections followed by uploads, occasionaly some downloading leaked through. This is with two differend e-mule clients and shareaza. The one client was somewhat better than the other two, I would eventualy get a small trickle incomming with it, and uploading actually got as much bandwith, or slightly more, than the connection overhead.
The only times I ever try anymore is for things I can't find on other p2p systems, which is getting rarer and rarer as multi p2p sytem apps like shareaza become more common.
Personally I just figured it was because emule was eurocentric and I'm in the US, I figured the system was giving higher priority to the closer links, that and that broadband is more available in europe meant that dialup was also being downchecked.
Mycroft
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BTW, how can the credit system be secure? the only shure way I can think of requires a centralized server system. Elswise why couldn't someone set up one or two systems with rigged clients that simply claim, or give each other, a much higher rating?
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What's going on? Someone posts a link to the RIAA on Slashdot and their server isn't /.ed yet???
Is everyone asleep or what?
Tsk tsk tsk, how disappointed I am in the average Slashdotter - a little less conversation, a little more action, lads!
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. -- G.B. Shaw
Except for the detail that the current version of mldonkey leaks memory like a sieve -- it will eat hundreds of megs of RAM after running for a while. And of course, ocaml has jack shit by way of memory profiling tools, so despite the fact that it's a garbage collected language and *theoretically* avoids memory problems there's masses of crap accumulating somewhere. Probably a hash table somewhere. In a C program, a memory profiler would have turned up the problems almost immediately. In an ocaml program, people just bite their lip and suffer and restart the program periodically.
May we never see th
The only reasonable solution to use Kazaa is to have a second, sacrificed PC, only for that purpose. Not everybody can afford to do this.
Spyware and browser highjacking, No Thanks...
Set up your broadband router to prioritize regular or ToS MINIMIZE_DELAY packets above MAXIMIZE_THROUGHPUT packets, run mldonkey EGID mldonkey, and set your box to reclassify stuff from EGID mldonkey programs as MAXIMIZE_THROUGHPUT.
You can use your full outbound connection, keep it constantly saturated, and it won't affect web browsing or gaming performance at all.
May we never see th
Users also operate the servers on Edonkey2000 and KaZaA, although there appears to be less community-organisation and restriction surrounding their networks. With Edonkey2000, the program remains connect whenever you are online, so you may be vulnerable to hackers, as the program will not operate from behind a firewall, but there is no spyware. KaZaA on the other hand has built in spyware, which will deter many potential users.
Edonkey2000 is a unique peer-to-peer sharer in its transfer system. Files are hash identified and transferred in "chunks". This means the donkey can identify identical files even if they have been renamed, increasing the potential of downloading the entire file. Because of the hash identification files can be uploaded before they have completed downloading - the "chunks" that have been received are immediately shared. Files propagate quickly over the donkey network, and the automatic resume feature has high success even after a reboot. One thing to remember though - check there is room on your incoming folder drive for the entire file - you can only change it by completing or cancelling all your downloads, and you don't want to miss the last few chunks of your file. Although this ingenious file sharing system means the donkey is reliable for getting entire files the downloads are very slow - you have to have a lot of patience.
Direct Connect is a slow downloader as well. Users with a lot of files to share can get access to servers restricted to broadband users, which speeds transfers up a little, but one again you don't wouldn't want to be on a hurry. Direct Connect users a direct file transfer system and also has an auto-resume feature which completes file downloading from any user with the file. Direct Connect doesn't uniquely identify files and will not recognise variations in file names like Edonkey2000. On-the-ball users can rename their file and continue downloading from a new source if they identify it by the file size with a name variation.
KaZaA downloads files from various sources at the same time, to speed up the transfer rate. The software downloads a file from several sources and the pieces are reassembled into a single file on the receiver's drive. Like Direct Connect and the donkey, KaZaA has a reliable resume feature if a transfer is interrupted, however like Direct Connect resumes will only recognise sources with identical file names. Users report KaZaA is one of the speedier peer-to-peer sharers, but once again, patience is in order, and broadband users will get the most from this program.
All three programs have search features. Edonkey2000 has quick searches, and also offers an availability search, although the value of this is questionable. Direct Connect users can search particular hubs for material and although some users report it is time consuming going from hub to hub, the program does have an option to search the entire network. Direct Connect's sloppy interface has made this feature hard to find for some users. KaZaA has various search options and users report it is quick and reliable. Download times are shown with search results. KaZaA will also allow you to search for files not only by name, but by any keyword found in the stored description of the file. When files
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FastTrack -- 2,379,344
eDonkey2K -- 2,202,766
Warez-- 1,009,821
Overnet-- 893,068
Gnutella -- 437,229
DirectConnect-- 264,283
MP2P -- 262,499
Filetopia -- 4,439
Considering the nature of this discussion, I think this comment deserves a +50 Hilarious Irony.
I ru n win98 and got myself a copy of bittorrent.Never really understood how to use it. Although i fumbled with it.
Is there a simplified step by step process to learn how to use it?
BTW,for those of you cribbling about 'slow' uploads of 50kbps,my stats are:
dload -40kbps
Upload-15kbps
but connecetd speed is 10 MBPS
What the heck!
Some times it does... this mule must have forgot that Mules can't have babies...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2399773.stm
it rewards for not capping your upload in the software, but if you use an outgoing traffic limiting thing at the router the software knowns no different. i get the same dl speed if i'm giving my full 40k up (ack) or limiting it to 5k~10k
I think this is supposed how it should work in theory, but even with hundreds of sources and having my upload limit at 1,000 KB / sec (yes, I have a 10 Mbps connection), I can still just download at maybe ~50 KB / sec max. Things looks different with BitTorrent, where the download is much more in line with the upload. I think this is due to the huge number of ADSL users on eMule/eDonkey, or people with artificially capped uploads.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
I've heard lots saying what you say, about "having patience" and having the ports open (of course -- I never have them closed on BT). But so far, eMule has, regardless how long I've waited, never even been close to the speeds with BT. It seems like it's a perfect sharing app for DSL users, it only goes above 512 kbps once in a blue moon for me, but certainly not for broadband users with unlimited uploads.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
crashes at least once every 1-2 days. Which is completely unacceptable when you're queuing up on the ed2k network, preferably at bedtime so you miss 8 hr sleep + 8 hr work = 16 hrs of uptime. Jack of all trades, master of none if you ask me. eMule can run rock stable for a week+.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
I just finished downloading an obscure cartoon "The fantastic adventures of unico.avi". It took almost three weeks, but it was not available ANYWHERE else (torrent links were busted as well). eDonkey reported only 3 sources, but over time, new sources popped on to give me critical bits of the file.
Now, I see that it is widley available and I think the eDonkey method of distributing files is to be credited for this. I personally leave my client running overnight just to repay those that helped me get that file.
I'm probably not making sense... overtired and sick. My point is: eDonkey is very good - patience can be very rewarding with this client.
Most of us, while we do not mind sharing, do not have several weeks to do so. We have jobs and school and other things outside of waiting for our 'credit' to go up on some rogue filesharing network.
I sounds as though you're standing there gawping at your computer as it downloads/uploads. That's silly. You don't sit there waiting for the computer to finish every task at work do you? "Oh, it's printing 100 pages, I must sit here staring at it"?
Set your computer running, run other stuff too if you want to (even Windows multitasks these days), go off to work or school, edonkey/emule will be quite happy without you.
If you're on dialup or metered access, then a network aimed at large files really isn't for you.
I use eDonkey2K and bittorrent. Now both applications say that if I limit my upload rate that it will adversely affect my download rate. Normally I limit the upload rate to 10 kb/s. I think my cable connection upload is about 20 kb/s and if I don't limit the upload rate, then it seems to affect normal browsing and other users using the internet. Not only that, but when I do unlimit the upload rate it seems to adversely affect the download rate. I've seen this on both eDonkey2k and bittorrent.
Anybody know what's going on here?
Thus, you only get credits from people you've uploaded to; this rewards you most if you're usually downloading the same type of stuff, as you'll probably find your credits put you in a group of people who boost you up.
I appear to have a blog. Odd.
it rewards for not capping your upload in the software, but if you use an outgoing traffic limiting thing at the router the software knowns no different. i get the same dl speed if i'm giving my full 40k up (ack) or limiting it to 5k~10k
The eMule credit system actually gives you credit for what you've uploaded. You may have tricked the local client enforced 'upload ratio' system into letting you download at full speed, but there are other clients out there that will let you start your download earlier if you upload more to them. This is useful when combined with partial sharing.
Don't use the default ports (4661 and 4662) as some ISPs seem to block these ports. Just change them to an arbitrary port in your client and allow these instead.
That's great -- now that the high school hordes have kazaa AND edonkey, I can keep right on using the good networks with even less chance of legal trouble and Britney Spears pr0n.
Again I profit from the folly of my inferiors! Muahahahahah! Ahahah... harrumph. Hm. Right, well, back to my desk then.
Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
The trick in using eDonkey efficiently is normally to start several downloads at once and let them all trickle down bit by bit at the same time. In the long run I get about as much content as I would with any other P2P client, although every individual download takes much longer to complete.
Try to think a bit ahead about what movies you wanna see next weekend and start the download a few days ahead.
Also, downloads are usually dead slow in the beginning and it might take many hours before they even start, but they pick up pace along the way. You see, your place in the upload queue is valued by each other peer by how much you have given them and in the beginning you often find yourself far down the line and just progressing slowly. Once you have say 10% of the file and can start sharing this with other downloaders who have another 10% you will quickly earn points with them and given priority.
I've been running eMule for quite a while now and I normally get about 50-80% back of what I upload on any given day. A good thing is that you don't need to have a "share" lying on your harddrive either since you automatically are sharing parts of what you are downloading and thus always have the most valuable "currency" for those you need favors from. Having a large share seldom helps you, having your client on for tens of hours in a row and maximizing your upload bandwidth usually helps a lot.
I have heard Shareaza is set not to share by default
;D
This is just FUD. Shareaza by default sets up to share on all networks with no limit on the amount of upload bandwidth used.
usually don't follow accepted P2P sharing standards
Can you specify which standards we're talking about here? There are many of them, and I'm sure a lot that Shareaza doesn't implement.
Also, other P2P clients like iMesh that also used the FastTrack network were sued by the RIAA and settled even though the law has come out in favor of decentralized networks.
Shareaza is not a FastTrack client, so this is irrelevant.
I am quite happy with my BT so I won't be rushing off to emule or edonkey anytime soon
That, at least, seems like a sensible POV to me. I'm able to download the stuff that I want over BT in about half the time it takes with ed2k, and a _lot_ less fake files.
It has seldom been pointed out, but there is a good advantage coming with this slowness:
Files can easily live on the net without anyone having the entire file on their harddrive!
Many odd and unusual files can be retrievable for years after anybody stopped keeping a share of them. As long as at least 10-20 people are trying to download it, there is a fair chance that they together have all the needed parts and they will stay on long enough for new people to join in and start downloading so no part of the file disappears completely.
Sure, this is true for any smart P2P network that can start sharing before download completes, but with faster networks such as BitTorrent you much easier get incomplete files since everybody is downloading/sharing it for a much shorter time, decreasing the likelihood that the downloads overlap sufficiently to keep the file alive.
That isn't to say that eMule doesn't have incomplete files, but they are usually the result of the original provider having taken them away too soon, before all the parts of the file had spread enough.
Ahh that makes some sense. I assume there is some way to deal with dynamic i.p.'s? And re-installs of software?
Mycroft
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Soulseek is good, if the only thing you're looking for is music.... but without swarming or hashing, its totally useless. I used it quite a bit for ~3 months until I realized that if I started a download, the only way it would finish is if the ENTIRE FILE came from the EXACT SAME USER. That's just not acceptable in today's p2p world. :P
edonkey and bittorrent own soulseek any day of the week.
Joseph?
ive been using it now for ages in debian-sid and besides a few unstable versions (early 2.0-pre?) its rock solid, with almost every (if not every) feature of emule
(amule is a linux fork of emule, with frequent code merges to keep up with the protocol)
-- Karma: beyond good and evil - mostly affected by posting political
install BT client. visit www.suprnova.org. click on the links.
you're connected to a network device like a switch or router at 10MBit/sec, but your external connectivity from your ISP is 40kbps.
according to random nut.
eDonkey is of Arkansan origins, even though most of its subscriber base is German and Dutch.
Agreed. I find the most effective way of getting large files is to search kazaa/emule/whatever for a torrent, and continue from there. Granted, many torrents you find won't work, but a lot of them do.
You would think it deafened everybody instantly, but no, thy even invited him to German TV-shows.
I'm pretty sure it's terrible at supporting Gnutella standards. IIRC, it cannot be an Ultrapeer
You might be right. It could be back in version 1.6, I know, but when G2 was introduced there was some concern over whether a single node could be both a G2 hub and a Gnutella ultrapeer without having a negative impact on the networks; I think the ultrapeer code might have been disabled at this point.
As to whether this is damaging to the network, as Gnutella support is off by default and (AFAICT) only used by a very small minority of shareaza users, I don't know.
...how edonkey is any better than gnutella. If I want to go searching for a cd's worth of songs to see if the cd itself is worth purchasing then gnutella works just fine and has oodles of files available. Kazaa was never any great shake over gnutella, and my (brief) experience with a Linux install of edonkey tonight left me completely unimpressed.
The only 'advantage' I was able to see was that Kazaa appears to have a slight edge in the porn department over gnutella (which makes Kazaa even more useless if you aren't looking for porn and have to wade through that crap to find what you want).
Max
My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
So *you* are to blame?
.. well probably 100x or 1000x the amount I download. I just leave it running.
I normally upload
It's sad that downloads are so slow though. I fill my pipe on uploads but downloads are generally only a few hundred kB/s. That sucks,
Yeah, it's the same for me. The only times it reaches above 100kB/s is with *really* new and popular files. I normally cap my upload at 500kB/s but I leave it running 24/7.
No. The right place to download 800MB+ Files is BitTorrent.
you just don't get high enough speeds on eDonkey.
Yes, eDonkey is still very nice. It has rare files, and they do come down eventually.
It just takes a helluva long time, theories or not! You can't will eD2k to be faster you know. It sounds like you are trying to explain that "slow is actually fast". People who have tried it know otherwise.
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I have found the eDonkey client better then emule, mlDonkey and shareaza. With the bittorrent, fasttrack, ftp, http and g1 plugin the speeds you get are vastly better. As well I always like overnet better then the edonkey network and I never found kad that good.
Then again, the best fix would be to drop support for Mike's Protocol ("G2") entirely. The original Gnutella network is these days quite different from what it used to be and MP doesn't add there anything significant.
The little I saw, it actually looked pretty decent, only problem was lack of "material".
The real problem with many 3rd gen P2P networks is that they do not scale. Freenet appears to work, but its hill-climbing algorithm breaks down because of the inherent inaccuracy in the routing. To a certain point, it works like a charm - the nodes form a single "hill". Past a certain point though, it just breaks down. You end up with trying to find the right sand dune in Sahara to climb. Yes, I've read the papers. No, it doesn't work in real life.
That combined with application-level tools that simply can not scale is making it impossible. Freenet message boards operate under a simple increment test "Is there a message 13?" "Yes" "Is there a message 14?" "No, then let's insert message 14" and obviously, if there was 100s or 1000s of users in a group, there'd be mass collisions.
Mostly any 3rd gen P2P network works if it is small enough. At the lowest level, a dumbfire system (all talk to all works). Somewhere past that, you have basic routing. Somewhere past that, the hill-climbing algorithm works. But for a network to scale to millions of people, I haven't seen any viable solution.
And that is just for content-routing. If you intend to make it anonymous as well, there are a host of challenges beyond not sending content directly, including but not limited to probing, posioning, traffic analysis, fake referrals and whatnot. These are all non-trivial problems, in particular since you have NO feedback as to whether your contact delivered his message intact or at all and you can not trust anything it claims came from another node (which may all be forged nodes created by your contact).
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Maybe you should try gtk++ on Linux...Rocks and Roll too.. :)
Ever tried aMule? http://www.amule.org/
It's way beyound any other linux client for ed2k, succesor of lmule and xMule projects. Their lastest versions, like 2.0.0-rc5 have so much improvements on stability and speed that it's rock solid and fast. They seem to include lastest network features from eMule too, they are in touch with the eMule developers (and eMule is what sets the standards on the network now).
I tried mldonkey but it was painfully eating all my resources and I got not nice downloads at all... until I found lmule, xMule, and then aMule. Tried mldonkey from time to time to test improvements, but never left the *mule world.
Also, I heard aMule is working on Mac too and they will release to public some usable betas in few days.. so why use a donkey when you can use a mule?
Direct Connect is a slow downloader as well.
In my experience, you get much higher speeds on DC++ if you have the right hubs. To put it bluntly. I put a folder on download that I thought was small, three days later I got "disk full" error. WTF? Oh, over the last three days I had filled something like 38GB. That's about 1.2Mbit sustained average.
To offset that, you have the wonderful people that let you download 90% of the file, then disappear forever. Pure wasted bandwidth. So in my experience, DC is either full speed or full stop, never slow...
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
So let me get this straight, what you're saying is: "You should've done something you can't do."
That's retarded. Here's something to keep in mind: "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." It may help you avoid this in the future.
Clients are identified through user-hashes and a RSA handshake. Nothing to do with your ip being static or not. ;)
Credits are stored on the machine uploaded to, and are stored by clientID, which was generated by the user name you pick when you setup your client. In the last iteration of eMule I saw, you had the choice of securing your ID (using some form of encryption I asssue), thus preventing someone else from spoofing themselves as you, or leaving it unsecure. If you secure your ID and your INI files become corrupt to the point where your stored ID become corrupt, you have no way to recover it and lose any credits assigned to it. If you do not secure your ID, then obviously all you need to do is setup another computer using the same ID. Thus, IP's, dynamic or not, do not enter into the equation. And re-intalls of the software do not cause issues unless you either write over the INI's (default installers do not) or somehow corrupt/lose them.
Realize that, during your slow downloads, you are automatically sharing whatever you download. Makes for some pretty easy targeting.
A, ummm, friend of mine got DMCA'd this way....
This sounds interesting. I don't suppose you have more information on how to do it, do you? A link to a website or something?
Countless times, I've read the same thing about Freenet. But after a couple of weeks of continuous use, my Freenet experience is no better than at the beginning - awful. It's slow. It's impossible to browse around at random to get the feel of the place. It's extremely difficult to find anything. Unless I'm missing something major, it's nigh onto unuseable.
So, folks, if you find eDonkey painful, I suggest you try Freenet for a while. After that experience, virtually any other network dedicated to any other purpose will seem downright speedy.
No, there is no way to deal with dynamic IPs AFAIK. Everytime your IP changes, you lose your credit.
As long as you retain a few important files, reinstalls of software are fine. A completely fresh install on a new machine, you lose your credits.
Here's a new place to try -
http://www.mediachest.com
Post all your media (Books, CD's, Games, DVD's) online, and share it with your friends & neighbors, the old fashioned way. RIAA and MPAA can't touch you this way:
(Link in SIG)
Check out the best P2P sharing website: MEDIACHEST.COM
I know this is /., but even so I'm amazed at the amount of inaccurate information.
;)
The eDonkey 2000 protocol and orginal client and server are the creation of one man Jeb Caleb (whose company is called MetaMachine and is based in the US).
As part of his thesis/research, a French developer at INRIA sniffed and documented the original ed2k protocol, and created the first non-official client (mldonkey), originally for the linux pltform.
Then, fed up with the crappy official windows client, a couple of German users created eMule, which was helped by the work done on mldonkey. In a short while eMule surpassed the official windows client nad became *the* desktop client of choice. It is still the best *desktop* client by far, and is used by over 80% of all ed2k users (regardless of the platform).
If you have alinux box, the best client is still mldonkey. And forget about clients like shareaza or morphesu who (still?) use(d?) mldonkey to connect to the ed2k network.
So hats off to American MetaMachine for the original protocol (but a 'boo' for leaving users with such a crappy client), respect to the French mldonkey for documenting the original protocol, and much kudos to the mostly German eMule team for making the best client ever and implemnting the serverless kademila network. Lastly, a more than honorable mention to Lugdunium (spelling) for patching the original windows server software allowing the network to scale so well.
Oh, and before I forget, the MPIAA (or at least indiviual studios) *have* laready started attacking the network - either by using rogue clients to send bad data and so corrupt the current chunk (= 9 MB) you are downloading - or by sending a nasty letter to your ISP. However peerguardian type lists of dodgy IP addresses do exist.
And very lastly, I agree wholeheartedly with the comments about the ed2k network being about file sharing and not getting as much as you can as quickly a spossible. There are some great documentaries and old classic films out there...
OK, time for me to check my downloads
Apologies for the atrocious spelling in my previous post - I'm used to using a spellchecker when I send something :)
Ben Folds got Shatner into the studio to record a version of Pulp's Common People, which I've heard twice on BBC radio. [ontopic]I must see about filesharing it, haven't thought about using either emule or kazaa networks, 'cause of spyware.[/ontopic]
Take care.
Ken.
Actually, Kazaa Lite 2.6 is still as great as ever. Even after Sharman blocked 2.43, a couple of hard-working guys rebuilt the project on 2.6 and it has:
- 33,000 TB of files. These are shared amongst thousands of separate supernodes and only KL allows you to jump supernode.
- Bad IP blocking, so RIAA can't spy on you too easily.
- Accelerator, AutoSearchMore, AVIPreview built-in.
A note of warning - it doesn't work on XP SP2 and is unlikely to. Personally, I started using DC++ too - there's a higher degree of pride in sharing quality stuff.
"There's a certain critical mass below which file sharing networks aren't generally useful.
:-)
There's also a certain critical mass above which they become utterly use-less." - Bradshaw's Corollary.
The trick is to keep your favoured network comfortably in the margin. Word of mouth will generally get it up to the the first, useful, mass. Publicity like this will take it beyond the second. Until someone designs the perfect scalable, mutating network we'll have to keep network hopping, staying one step ahead of the crowd who just wanna download Limp Bizkit and Jenna Jameson, in order to keep the peer set down to those people (mostly other geeks) with something genuinely interesting to share.. and members of Deviance, FLT etc..
Well, there's two parts there.
One is setting up a broadband router that prioritizes outbound traffic from each host based on ToS field. Depends on your router how you do this. I hacked up a bunch of scripts myself with a buddy to turn a Linux 2.6 box into a nice broadband router with QoS. I guess you could take a look at the LARTC. I should really post 'em up somewhere. Conceptually, it's not that complicated, but Linux's networking documentation could be better.
The other part is telling the client to use low-priority traffic. That bit's easy.
groupadd mldonkey
chgrp mldonkey mlnet (assuming mlnet is your binary name)
chmod g+s mlnet
iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -m owner -p tcp --gid-owner mldonkey -j TOS --set-tos Maximize-Throughput
This will tell the client to send out all packets from mlnet set to IPTOS_MAXIMIZE_THROUGHPUT.
A few clients, like gtk-gnutella, already have support for ToS and don't need to run EGID anything. ToS support is *huge* -- with an appropriate broadband router, it means users can saturate the outbound line without impacting other usage of the line.
May we never see th
I'll stick to my relatively slow 180kBps Verizon usenet feet. At least it is steady bandwidth. Leave it overnight and you grab 4 gigs, more than enough for any leech.
You might be able to do the same with bittorrent, but only for very popular torrents. Many times I started an ISO and saw 10% completed in the morning, even when I was uploading at 40K, my absolute max.
if that guy you download from is connected to edonkey and sharing his ISOs, it would be blazing fast. so blame him for the slowliness, not edonkey. :D
Why only able bodied males? I can see no reason why woman cannot serve in this regard.
I use a Foreman grill.
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Shut up.
"you must understand that eMule uses a "credit" system"
So I should share out some porn for a few weeks and then everything will be fine? =)
As long as at least 10-20 people are trying to download it, there is a fair chance that they together have all the needed parts
Bull. I know somebody who likes to watch videos of fully-clothed double-above-knee amputees. If you search for such videos (the common keyword is dak) and try to download one, it eventually gets to the point where all users in the swarm have downloaded about half to three-fourths of the parts, and all the sources go to "No needed parts".
From the Edonkey2000 website:
If you want to send us mail:
39 W 14th St #204
New York, NY, 10011
Since when did the krauts take over the big apple?
McDonalds has really gone downhill, then.
There is not a single application that communicates over an internet capable conncetion that does NOT need a "hole" to work through. Everything needs a port or some enabled connection in order to send and receive data, even your browser and email application. Emaule is no different than any other application that was ever built and any application that will ever be built. Needing a 'hole' does not make it any more or less secure than any other applciation. That is simply a fact that can't be changed. The denotation as to whether the applciation is secure or not is what kind of traffic the application will allow to pass through it via that hole. It is the applications responsibility to secure the data stream and a function of what the application does to that data once it recieves it, (i.e. executes a file or runs the script it received).
Opening a port or two doesn't compromise anything if done correctly. (i.e. restricting port access to a specific application as should always be done.)
The original Gnutella network is these days quite different from what it used to be and MP doesn't add there anything significant.
I've run tests of Gnutella (using a recent LimeWire) and G2, and there is a significant difference. Gnutella's better at finding common files fast, but G2 is better at finding unusual files.
G2 is also interesting because it is a _lot_ simpler than Gnutella. I once considered writing a Gnutella client (I had a particular need that wasn't fulfilled by any existing clients, and I hate working with other people's code), but was put off by the arcane complexity of the protocol. OTOH, G2 is nice and clean. Maybe one day I'll find the time to write an implementation... it wouldn't take long.
you need to upload at slightly below your max 75-90% so you dont kill your download speed.
Ooooh Burn!
Did your mommy teach you that witty retort?
we've got to change the pair-uh-digum...
You'll probably want to run it as an entirely different user and chrooted just for security purposes though.
Also, to answer the grandparent post's question some further, have a look at the Linux Advanced Routing and Traffic Control howto.
(this all assumes you're using linux ofcourse, but that should have been clear by now)
Yea, as soon as Kazaa killed Lite and all the other super, dont need to keep clicking "search for more file sharers", apps... I said "Adios".
I recently wanted to see what kazaa was like after a few months and P. U. it stinks.
Searches return 5-15 matches. And thats for popular searches like DivX... wtf kazaa.
And I have noticed that DC++ isn't easy use espicially when concerning files that weren't completely d/l'd all at once !!
Of course, this may have something to do with the fact that:
The largest ed2k server has 265.5 million files. Most bittorrent trackers have only one.
With bittorrent, everyone you see is attempting to get the same file, and sharing only that file. On ed2k, people may be sharing/downloading any number of files.
Lastly, with bittorrent,as soon as the tracker goes down, you're hosed. As long as even one person is sharing the complete file on any ed2k server, you will eventually get the file.
For selection and reliability, use emule. For new releases that are unavailable elsewhere, use bittorrent if you must (although edonkey rivals bittorrent when a file is supported by a dedicated releaser...)
You tell me, I wouldn't know.
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Uh... if you have a T1... why is your upload 20kb? You got robbed man, it's not a real T1!
www.limewire.org's download link sends you to www.limewire.com . On the download page there is a "Guaranteed No Ads or Nagware" checkmark for LimewirePRO and no checkmark for the Free Limewire.
CacheLogic has some stats that also show the popularity by traffic level at http://www.cachelogic.com/research/slide6.php
http://www.emule-project.net/...
go to help -> FAQ -> credits (my browser is broken right now). they explain that the credit system ONLY applies to a user-user relationship - in other words, they are not global, they are local to user pairs. it's kind of strange, i think.
hope this helps!