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Beer Found to be as Healthy as Wine
Matt Clare writes "Researchers at the University of Western Ontario (Canada) recently found that beer has the same positive qualities that wine has previously been found to have. The media release quotes professor John Trevithick, 'We were very surprised one drink of beer or stout contributed an equal amount of antioxidant benefit as wine, especially since red wine contains about 20 times the amount of polyphenols as beer.' For more info on how beer helps police harmful free radicals in blood, The London Free Press also has an article."
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And yet, you never hear about a "wine belly."
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To quote from article, ...
But the key is moderation. The researchers found three beers would have the opposite effect.
The study was funded by beermakers Guinness and Labatt. But the university says the financial support had no influence on the outcome.
After the Great Britain Beer Festival, in London, all the brewery presidents decided to go out for a beer.
The guy from Corona sits down and says, "Hey Senor, I would like the world's best beer, a Corona." The bartender dusts off a bottle from the shelf and gives it to him.
The guy from Budweiser says, "I'd like the best beer in the world, give me 'The King Of Beers', a Budweiser." The bartender gives him one.
The guy from Coors says, "I'd like the only beer made with Rocky Mountain spring water, give me a Coors." He gets it.
The guy from Guinness sits down and says, "Give me a Coke." The bartender is a little taken aback, but gives him what he ordered.
The other brewery presidents look over at him and ask "Why aren't you drinking a Guinness?" and the Guinness president replies, "Well, I figured if you guys aren't drinking beer, neither would I."
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Yes, beer is very much better than running windows under linux? /obligatory
This is the last thing those college boys need to hear.
Smashing your head into a wall while taking steroids is as healthy as professional football!
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if the Nation of Ireland will be sober enough to celebrate when they hear the news..
"My heart is in the work." - Andrew Carnegie
It's good for you, We like to drink 'till we spew! OOOH! Who cares if we get fat? I'll drink to that. Oh, what is the malten liquor? What gets you drunker quicker? What comes in bottles or in cans? BEER!
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"how beer helps police..."
Of course if you walk for 30 minutes every day, you'll get at least the same benefits if not more.
Beer makers say, buy more beer!
...this WAS sponsored by the beer companies.
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We can now rest assured that Homer Simpson will be cancer-free.
free? as in radicals policed by beer?
There are no karma whores, only moderation johns
Pfft. Mostt of uzsd hav knonnnw bou)t this fofr yeawrs!!@
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Happy hour here I come!
Seriously though, I've always wanted to start drinking a glass of wine or beer with lunch at work. Think about it long term; it would be a health benefit. One beer isn't going to make anyone loopy, and you'd be at your desk or in the kitchen, so you wouldn't be going outside like smokers, plus you'd only do it once a day unlike smokers.
Hmmm...perhaps I should send this article to our HR department...
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1 drink of wine = 1 glass 1 drink of beer = 1 pony keg. I personally prefer the weight of the glass, but some may prefer the durability of the keg. But really a pint of beer vs. a glass of wine is hardly comparable at least from a calorie standpoint.
I think the reason wine drinkers are healthier than beer drinkers remains consistent. Wine has fewer calories, so you don't get as fat. As a general rule, wine drinkers have healthier weights than beer drinkers.
Cheers
Red Grape Juice. I lack propper sources, but apparently red grape juice is just as good with the free radicals as wine was found to be.
At the RNC they used pepper spray and riot gear to police the free radicals. and then they put them in jail, which made them imprisoned radicals...aka the opposite of free.
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When I see these studies, I also pause and wonder whether these scientist are trying to rationalize their beer/wine intake. If their wives or husbands get after them for wanting their "one" drink-a-day, they can point to their studies and say that science proves that this is good for me!
Of course, drinking is moderation is good, too much of anything may be harmful. At least that has been my experience. All this article does in reinforce little but of knowledge.
Jonathan
Cue the insults about beer from countries you don't like.
'We were very surprised one drink of beer or stout contributed an equal amount of antioxidant benefit as wine"
Further, after about 4 or 5 more beers, who cares!
You can have my cynical agnosticism when you pry it from my cold, dead logic.
Do you trust Labatts with this "science"?
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Mon - Beer
Tues - wine
Wed - Beer
Thurs - WIne
Fri - Wine with diner - beer with a movie
Sat -Beer all day
Sun - Beer w/football
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With beer being healthy for you, and recent studies showed that mice who became under the influence of pot had less cancer growth...I'm glad to say I live a healthy life style.
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I guess that means I'll live to be 100!!! Excuse me while I crack open another cold one!! WooHoo!
I think the article meant to say: how beer helps police harm radicals for free
Anyway, the point is when he was recovering, the doctor asked him about his life-style. My grandfather, a wine-drinker, answered a solid "NO" when asked if he drank beer. The doctor recommended that he change that and start drinking a beer per day.
The doctor was under belief a beer per day would keep the prostate cancer from returning, and it (among other things) seems to have worked. My grandfather celebrated his 80th a few years ago and is still going strong.
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
studies have shown can help prevent the oxidation of blood plasma by toxic-free radicals that trigger many aging diseases, including cancer, diabetes, heart disease and cataracts Its amazing how scientists claim that beer can help prevent cancer, diabetes, and heart disease, but they fail to mention the harmful side effects, such as sclerosis of the liver, beer goggles, and sometimes even the dreaded "whiskey-dick".
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I'll drink to that!!
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I'm not trying to get drunk! I'm looking after my health damn it!
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So Ben Franklin was right; beer is the drink of the gods.
"We can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind. Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance.
So does this mean that free as in beer can now be almost as good as free as in speech?
It's good to use your head, but not as a battering ram.
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It may have as many antioxidants, but it also has a hell of a lot more carbs. If you REALLY want to get a lot of antioxidants, try blueberries instead. All the good stuff, little of the bad.
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For more info on how beer helps police harmful free radicals in blood...
It's time to write your representatives, folks!
1, 2, 3, 4 I declare a beer war.
Seeing as how Guiness Draught has the lowest alcohol content of the beers in the cliche joke, and therefore would be the least likely to make me drunk, why would I want to drink it? To avoid jokes from poser beer elitests?
As Benjamin Franklin said, "Beer is proof that there is a God and that He loves us."
I couldn't agree more.
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Nice! Now I can drink a bottle of wine and a 6pack of beer, and get drunk the healty way!
Take that! Doc!
"To alcohol! The cause of -- and solution to -- all of life's problems."
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If you're stressed out, and a beer helps you relax at the end of a day, that stress-removal is a positive health effect in itself.
Do we really want beer helping the police to free harmful radicals?
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
Beer has a lot more to offer than just antioxidants, especially when you drink unfiltered homebrew/craft beers. For one, there's a ton of fiber (I've heard 5g/12oz quoted (too lazy to confirm)) which is good considering that most of us dont get near the recommended amount (~25g/day I think). Also, unfiltered beer contains a considerable amount of yeast (no, not just on the bottom, suspended too) which has tons of vitamin B12 (ever seen 'brewers yeast' at the health food store). I've heard also that lack of B12 is one of the main causes of hangovers - to this day, I've never had a (bad) hangover drinking my own beer.
"Moltar, I have a giant brain that is capable of reducing any complex machine into a simple yes or no answer."
so, what do people out there drink?
for my part, I drink beer for the taste, and I am a lightweight (have trouble doing 2 beers in a night) so I tend to go for the upscale stuff: Hitachino White, Unibroue Terrible, and Delirium Tremens
Officer: Sir, I can sense a strong odor of alcohol from you. Are you drunk?
Me: No ossifer, I'm just antioxidizing and dieting, fanks.
vodka, straight up, thank you!
Scientists, after all, have given us heart transplants, hip replacements, penicillin and super balls.
Superballs maybe, but super balls are still in the pipeline, so to speak.
The University of Western Ontario has a notorious reputation among Ontario students as being one of the craziest party universities around.
The residences are nearly unregulated, and that combined with the flood of seventeen year olds coming in from the elimination of gr. 13 in Ontario makes for some pretty nasty drinking binges.
Perhaps this had some part in at least the type of 'research' they were doing at Western. I have a feeling that a lot of students volunteered as 'test subjects'.
So if I've already spent four years averaging six beers/day, I need to stay sober for the next twenty years to benefit?
Man, am I glad I didn't go for that post-graduate degree!
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It's also been linked to gout, stick to the wine.
Actually, the whole title of beer or wine being "healthy" is rediculous. Alcohol is the most damaging food product you can put in your body. It's far worse than trans-fatty acids, artificial ingredients (e.g., pesticides, food coloring), or sugar. I defy you to find any reputable medical researcher who would encourage people to take up drinking for health benefits. You want the health benefits of wine or beer? Eat some grapes instead. You'll get the benefits of the flavonoids without the damaging effects of the alcohol.
Look, I have nothing against alcohol. I love wine and I'm fortunate to live in an area known for exceptional wine growing. But let's not kid ourselves about alcohol being some kind of health food. So put away your low-carb beer and your red wine and drink what you want -- in moderation.
GMD
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"Beer Found to be as Healthy as Wine" ...
...
"Yaaaaay!"
"But the key is moderation. The researchers found three beers would have the opposite effect."
"Aaaaaaw."
I thought I had a good thing there, for a minute. Dang. Oh, well, if the beer doesn't kill me, the cigarettes will. And if the cigarettes don't kill me, then dammit, I'm just not trying hard enough then.
"Beer is proof that God exists and wants us to be happy."
- Benjamin Franklin
score one for us drunks!
Just the other day I heard a cardiologist arguing that, at least in terms of positive cardiac health, the level where wine becomes more harmful than good was at least two-thirds of a bottle. That's my kind of moderation!!
This article should be taken with a grain of salt. First of all, it's about as minor a medical discovery as you could find, in terms of potential impact of the study, where it was published, etc. (makes me wonder if the submitter was an author). There was a massive article on a similar topic in the New England Journal of Medicine last year, which actually studied actual humans and their actual outcomes (link here) that didn't make it onto slashdot, and proved essentially the same thing. This is just talking about a lab proof about antioxidants, which are currently only one theory as to why alcohol is good for you. In other words, this is nice to know, but doesn't prove anything we didn't already know.
So we can all become braindead morons with 20 year old bodies 70 years from now.
Sorry, but there are better ways to consume your antioxidants.
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i usually drink one mixed drink of 7UP with a splash of bourbon in th4e evening to keep the bacon grease washed out of my bloodstream...
Not that YOU personally would do this, but I have seen discussions arguing over "Beer X is better than Beer Y" where both sides clearly need to widen their beer horizons.
So let's get edjumucated. (and seriously, what could be more fun?) Here are two lists of (mostly) great beers that have very wide distribtuions--go out and find something on these lists that you haven't had, and try it tonight!
RateBeer's top 'accessible' beer list.
BeerAdvocate's 'Best Most Available Beers' list.
There are other lists, too, these are just to get you started. You can go to both site's "Top beers" to find a list of even better beers, although many of those could be hard to find.
The study showed that there is a nonlinear curve relating the amount of beer consumed and overall health. So there must be some factor other than the antioxidant effect at work.
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I'm not a physiologist, or even very smart, so the rest of this is pure guesswork:
Probably small amounts of alcohol don't do bad things to you, and may even clean crud from the blood and arteries. Larger amounts make the kidneys work harder, and the excess is eventually converted to fat.
Since most people (in the population that eats enough to read Slashdot) have enough fat already, these negative health effects of alcohol take over with increased consumption.
The formula for health may be formed like:
health = q +
where q is the daily consumption.
It's obviously more complex than that, but as I said, I'm not a medic. The point to my guess is that the effect is not linear, but it's also not exponentially bad for you to drink more. 10 beers/day is not much worse for you than, say, 5. The curve levels off.
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"And the bad news is that drinking three bottles of beer a day actually causes the blood to become pro-oxidant and increases the risk of such diseases 30 to 40 per cent."
1 seems to be the sweet spot, even 2 reduces the benefits.
Oh well.
A study funded by British Nuclear Fuels today found that men who live near the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing plant in Cumbria have bigger dicks.
Unfortunately they found out that the "women" have bigger dicks as well.
Geeks aren't healthy. I'm reading ./ while drinking an McEwans's Scotch Ale.....Ummmmm!
Well, yes, it is about the water. Water is amazingly important to different beer styles--it's why you get pale ale in London and brown in Newcastle. Mineral content difference. And no, darker doesn't necessarily mean better, and lighter colored is not equal to watered down. There's more grain in our amber ale than our porter, for example.
Yes, I brew for a living.
It is doubtful that the antioxidants contained in beer and wine are what's giving them their life preserving properties. Oddly enough, it's more probable that there's a beneficial effect from ethanol's toxic metabolite: acetaldehyde.
Acetaldehyde does a nice job preventing non-enzymatic protein cross-linking. Read for yourself: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/96/5/2385
Homebrew, of course. :)
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True, but you never hear about a "beero."
...or would that be a "beercoholic?" Just can't get enough of that beercohol.
Beer still has to battle against the more extreme low-carb advocates out there. One book, the popular South Beach Diet, goes to such an effort to discredit beer that it fallaciously compares consuming beer to consuming 100% pure maltose, simply because beer contains some maltose. The claims in the book made me think the author has some sort of agenda against beer or alcohol that go far beyond low-carb eating.
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I think jumping to any conclusions is a little premature at this point. While I've only been picking up tidbits of information in this area, I was under the impression that we're only just now getting to the point of understanding the actual mechanism of action behind the health benefits provided by red wine. This article seemed to imply that the study is working under the assumption that all or most of the benefit is being provided by it acting as an antioxident. While I'm certainly not going to dismiss any benefit from antioxidents, I do think they get a little more positive press than deserved based on most studies.
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As always the much obliged Simpson reference.
Its sad. I glanced at the title out of the corner of my eye and saw "CowboyNeal Found to be as Healthy as Wine"
Still, I'm glad. Now to go have a Guinness and begrudge my lost towel...
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What's with the propaganda crap going around in media today? "Oooh, alcohol is good for you" ... "Oh but marijuana has such a medicinal effect".
I mean, hell - in the 50s, cigarettes were promoted for good health.
It's all harmful to your body - and to those who have to put up with the shit from people who use it.
If you want to screw yourselves up, that's fine - but at least stop trying to steer the rest of society into falsely thinking that these things 'help'.
Avoiding the cliche 'think of the children', there are plenty of people of every age who are heavily influenced by society and media.
This type of spin is just as harmful as the substances in question.
[DISCLAIMER: This post is a work of satire and should not be misconstrued as a holy text upon which to base a religion.]
...for a long time.
:)
Its why we ween our children on beer
Who's beer did they use to study this? If it was US beer, I'm laughing, I drink British beer. US beer is like having sex in a canoe, it's fucking close to water. So I'm even better protected!
Being a professional brewer this is not new news many studies are done every year if beer or wine are bad or good for you depends on the research project and who is funding it at the time .
Oh, no thank you. I don't drink.
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hmmm "University" and "Canada" in the same sentence. I think we should ask for a second opinion. eh?
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;) .. Even so I wish I'd had an idea like this for my final year!
I imagine the research was a real bind
Im thinking of doing some research into proving that an end of night curry or chilli kebab helps prevent a killer hangover. Anyone care to sponsor me ?
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In the process of trying to lose weight, I've done a lot of reading lately on why low-carb diets work, and most of thee details seem pretty logical and convincing to me. Here in a nutshell, is why I think high-carb beers cannot be healthier than (usually) low-carb wines for people trying to lose weight:
High carb and sugar diets cause the release of Insulin in the body, which is a signal to the body that more than adequate nutrition is available as a result of which, the survival mechanism kicks in and stores any fat consumed thereafter as body fat, with the carbs being used for energy. When carb consumption is lowered, however, Insulin is absent from the bloodstream, and fat is burnt instead for energy.
Hence, from this standpoint, the food pyramid (which suggests low fat instead of low carbs) as well as high carb beers are unhealthier, since they encourage storage of more fat in the body, leading to obesity.
In any case, I'm not a biologist, and I've found this way of eating quite health and effective. Thought I'd chip in with my $0.02.
For those interested in more details, look up Slashdot's earlier coverage of the subject:Hackera on Atkins".
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That's specious reasoning.
Good news for your grandad, but you ought to repeat to yourself 100 times:
Correlation does not imply Causality.
I'm sure I read that beer causes cancer some time ago, and I read the same thing about coffee, wine, sea air and practically everything else that one can do, eat or breathe. This is why I have everything in moderation, because these experts with whom we have entrusted our lives seem totally unable to make their minds up.
Time for someone to start some research of the great benefits of Tequila!!!
When red wine was declared (in moderation) to be healthy, the price went up. A bottle of merlot that used to cost 5 dollars a bottle (when it wasn't good for you) now costs 8 dollars. When it was widely publicized that Oats helped lower cholesterol, the price of everything containing oats went up. Check the cereal isle. Now beer is healthy!!? ARRRRGHHHH!!!
Honestly judge, I wasn't drunk, I was taking a nutritional supplement.
LK
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So free as in beer is good because it's not free as in radicals?
how beer helps police harmful free radicals in blood, The London Free Press also has an article."
beer, Police, free radicals, blood, London Free Press?
All the standard ingredients for another protest day in London.
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Of course, this may simply indicate how miniscule the effect is, positive or otherwise.
Try something from x/russsian states called "baltica" , .
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8% alcohol in a 17 fl OZ for a $1.50 a bottle.
And the last thing you neeed to worry about
is weight gain when you are drinking alcohol,
think about your health first man!!!!
Can you do the same amount of physical activity
after a good nights drinking the next day ???
Thats the alcohol fucking up your whole system
that should be your main concern
Get the facts straight first , alcohol is far
worse for you that tobaco or pot/weed or even
some other harder drugs i wont mention.
And i have done quite a fiew of those drugs to
have a good judgemet(not good spelling since
english isn't my first language) about the effects
of each of them on my health and well being
I consider alcohol to be one of the worsed ones
out there. By the way ever think that most of
the hair loss is atributed to drinking ???????
try downing a six pack and see how fast your
hair brush fills up the next fiew days !!!!!!!
peace
dan
Since alcohol isn't the cause of most of these effects, wouldn't this reccomend non-alcoholic beers and wines?
Ideally, you'd use yeast to make a vitamin drink, removing excess sugars/calories. You'd remove the alcohol. Then you'd drink.
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"As healthy as wine" is another way of saying that both are unhealthy but bear is not much worse than wine.
Jumping from 9 story building could is as healthy as jumping from a bridge.
Beer, in this great land of Canada eh, is kinda expensive (over a buck a bottle). I'd hate to have to treat my beer as a regular expense (1 bottle a day per month equals $30+ each month).
So is there a cheaper alternative to getting this health benefit?
Also, say you do drink occasionally (say once a month having 6-9drinks) does that negate the benefits of this?
USA pharmacies which are supposed to be 'medical drug-stores' has been selling such kind of antioxydants for quite a long time, which was really surprising for visitors which usually see just boring pills in the pharmacies of their home countries. But now I see the reason ;-)
Free Beer! That's beer that's free as pretzels and open as speech. I'm talking about the Free and Open Source QBrew Homebrew Recipe Calculator.
[Hey, it's shameless self-promotion, but beer related stories don't appear on Slashdot that often]
You don't even need to know how to brew, because it comes with a brewing primer. To be honest, while the software is free as in pretzels, brewing ingredients might set you back twenty bucks for a two case batch, but that twenty buck is worth it. Now go and make some "Beer Found to be as Healthy as Wine".
[Now I'm starting to feel ashamed about this shameless self-promotion, better wrap up quick]
It's even free for Windows and Mac (but is much cooler under a Free and Open system like Linux or BSD). A new release is due within the month, but why wait? Build now and avoid the rush...
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
The key ingredient in wine, red wine in particular, is Resveratrol Above all, resveratrol is able to neutralize free radicals, which can damage DNA and may lead to cancer onset. Resveratrol inducesautophagocytosis : causing the cell to eat itself.
Beer doesn't have resveratrol
S'pose that means our Southern Cousins will just have to come to the Great White North for our healthier beer, eh? :-)
I always knew we drank better beer for a reason... :-}
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What's the FSF's official position on this, if free beer inhibits free radicals?
Dring with moderation.. even if it's in industrial quantity
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I'm ahead of the curve...
I always knew beer was health food....
Mmmm, beer....
(No, really, lots of Vitamin B!)
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Well, I think i had a premonition of this article 5 years ago.... when i started having a beer everyday ;)
White wines generally has fewer calories than red wines, but also has less antioxidant content than reds as well. The exception to the calorie count will be dessert wines, which have so much sugar in them it's pointless compare them to reds anyway. Also, not to put a damper toward white wine drinkers, but almost all 'light' whites are on the bottom of the list. These include Sauvignon Blanc and Rieslings (from almost any region, but veering towards colder regions like Alsace and Germany). Of the whites, the only wines that seem to rank well in antioxidant count(among other whites - none rank well against reds) are alcoholic, tannic chardonnays(from wood barrels) from very sunny regions, like Chile and Australia. I guess the sugar content helps there in the fermentation process.
Red wines with more tannins were generally ranked higher on the antioxidant list. I haven't really checked whether the tannin count is from the barrels they aged in, or the grape skin itself, but the highest ranking 'healthy' red wines listed were from chile and some parts of australia. But there were plenty from france and California as well.
Of the reds, small sized grape varietals seems to have more 'good stuff' in them; Most of the wines up on the list were Cabernet Sauvignon, some Cabernet Franc, and the occasional Shiraz/Syrah. Absent from the list (or I just don't remember seeing any) was primitivo/zinfandel, along with pinot noir. Most of the merlots were on the bottom of the list.
In terms of alcohol content, the 'healthiest' wines had the highest amount of alcohol in them, generally all above 14-15 percent. I'm guessing this is due to the length of time the wines are allowed to stay in the barrels(forgive my lack of winespeak, it's been a while). Also, very very few steel barrel wines ranked high in terms of antioxidant content and 'other stuff.'
I guess that's about it atm. If you want to drink healthy, make sure to aim for heavy, tannic wines made from the small grape varietals that have been aged in wood, which happens to have lots of calories, and lots of alcohol(disclaimer:there is no scientific basis on anything I've just said, this is all based off of my experience). :-) I haven't RTFA as of yet, but I'm curious of the types of beer high up on the list of 'goodness' reflect the wine criteria for 'goodness.' In particular the 'aged, high calorie, alcoholic' portion of it.
One thing about heavy tannic wines: in my experience I've gotten the worst hangovers from them. I'm guessing it's from the tannins themselves, as light reds and whites don't affect me nearly as much.
and not to be a downer on your post, but if I was looking to get a quick hit, my suggestion would be to aim straight for the vodka (not that I'm advocating that or anything). Vodka has some of the highest alcohol/dollar ratio making it super cheap, plus (if you buy good vodka) is has very little impurities so you don't have to worry too much about hangovers. And, it's pretty low on the calorie count compared to wine and beer. The problem with vodka is that because it's so clean, people have a hard time judging whether or not they have had enough.
I used to drink wine very heavily, so I've built quite a tolerance to alchohol. I don't drink as often as I used to, but every once in a while I enjoy having a beer or a glass of wine, and I notice that I get a nice little buzz, even with my heavy tolerance. Man, work must be more stressful than I thought. :-P
Aspirin taken daily with bottle of bourbon reduces awareness of heart attacks
Off all the Universities in Canada who would do a study and determind beer is good for you, it had to be Western. That in itself makes this story awesome.
(For the non-Canucks out there, Wetsren is considered to be a massive party school in Canadian university circles)
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Don't be such a party-pooper.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
Since we are on the subject of beer, and I happen to be a beer geek, I thought I would give you a few recommendations
:)
If you are used to drinking beers like American Budweiser, Miller, Coors, etc you would likely find Pilsner Urquell, Czechvar (the original Budweiser from the Czech Republic) etc.
If you dig Guiness, I recommend Young's Oatmeal and Chocolate Stout.
If your thing is Heineiken(sp?), then you are beyond hope...
Next time you are at the store this winter, try Sierra Nevada Celebration, which is possibly my favorite beer of all time, and it is fairly available.
If you find yourself becoming interested in brewing, or the pursuit of interesting ales, try beeradvocate.com as they are the slashdot of beers.
--Joey
PS Paulaner's, Spaten's, and Sam Adam's Oktoberfest beers are great and are available for a limited time right now
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This is great news! I am immediately going to go out and drink as much beer as possible before they change their minds and decide beer is bad for you again.
Time makes more converts than reason
anyway for anyone at UWO already I believe this gives us yet another reason to celebrate the $2.50 pint on fridays at The Wave. Heh, makes this could be a way to show all those cute Health-Sci chicks that we are interested in our health. ;)
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Where do I apply for a researcher position to test the effects of alcoholic beverages and pretty women on my health?
Some nice fresh Muenchen brew? Excellent! Guiness on tap? Spectacular! But I'm in the middle of a divorce because of my spouse's alcoholism, and beer is her drink of choice. I miss my beer, but I just can't manage to drink it anymore. There have been too many nights I've had to tell my kids "leave Mommy alone, she's having a bad night"...enjoy, mates, but be careful. You don't want your kids answering the phone and saying, "Daddy's too shitfaced to talk to you right now."
And he was probably wearing leather shoes at the time as well : )
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Interestingly, the researchers have found that only Canadian beer has this healthy benefit.
*wink
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Grains and grapes are both good for you even if you let them rot... er, I mean ferment. Of course alchohol in ANY quantity is not good for you.
Gee, I wonder who funded this one...
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Firgure this is having a beer (or two or..) drops your stress level then you are less likely to up-and rm -f /dev/moron or /dev/coworker
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nothing kills free radicals like a good shot of ice-cold Stoly. A join russian-british team plans to test chasing Stoly with Guinness. I've already tried it, and I can tell you - it kicks the shit ouf of all free radicals I ever had. Give it a shot (yeah, pun is intended).
A Texan, a Californian, and a Michiganer are all out camping together. One night, sitting around a fire, the Texan pulls out his bottle of Jack Daniels and takes a long swig, finishing it off. He then tosses the bottle in the air, draws his .45 revolver, and shoots the bottle, shattering it. "That's the way we do it in Texas," he says.
The Californian, not to be out-done, pulls out a liter of Merlot and chugs it. He then tosses the bottle in the air, pulls out his glock, and shoots the bottle before it falls. "That's how it's done in California," he says.
When the two of them are finished, the Michiganer pulls out a bottle of Molson XXX and pounds it. He then throws the bottle over his shoulder, pulls out his 35 special, and shoots the Califonian.
"Why the HELL did you do that?!?!" yells the Texan.
"Well, that bottle's worth 10 cents, and we don't need more Californians moving back."
Causation can cause correlation
'We were very surprised one drink of beer or stout'
Beer OR stout? Stout is a subclass of beer! A drink of stout is a drink of beer!
Beer and other fermented drinks have no simple carbohydrates in them, this is simply because the fermentation process is literally the digestion of these by the yeast, whose biproduct is alcohol.
The reason other carbs are still present is they are too complex for the yeasts involved to break down. Although not directly analagous to our bodies ability to break down said carbohydrates, it is a similar situation, where simple carbs, like sucrose/glucose/maltose are easily absorbed.
It's worth noting that my father is an Atkins nut, and he works closes with a cell biologist who has authored over a dozen books on human cellular biology, and most of my information is from one of them.
Also, there have been many other studies about the benefits of alcohol that have been recently published, and I think doctors should be recommending that everyone should be downing the equivelent of 2 beers a day for their health.
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...only a healthy diet.
s /9 2_adar_0102.cfm
That goes for everything, be it beer, crisps, hamburgers, apples, lettuce, hell - even water [0]. Get it out of balance, and it's a problem.
Accordingly, some bad qualities != Unhealthy. For example, my natural [1] diet is too low in salt [2]. So, the odd bag of crisps is not a bad thing [3] for me. On the other hand, I know someone whose got high blood pressure - a single bad of can push him towards the danger area - it's a very bad thing for him. Most people, are in the middle.
With that in mind, what does this research actually mean, for the average person? Bugger all. The odd beer won't hurt, and hey, has some good points too. Too much is still bad.
May I reccomend, "Total diet approach to communicating food and nutrition information", J Am Diet Assoc 2002;102:100, available from
http://www.eatright.org/Public/GovernmentAffair
for some further reading.
And, if your looking for antioxidents, eat more raw fruit and veg. Particular foods may have more than others, but, frankly, if you are worried about antioxident intake, then either any will help, or your micromanaging your food intake excessivly. The human body is not a brittle thing - we've lasted this long by being able to live on a range of inputs, so just eat a broad range, and let the body do it's thing.
[0] Although, granted, drinking too much water is damn hard to do without some other contributry factor.
[1] By natural, I mean the diet I would eat if I didn't really think about it - just eat what I want, when I want.
[2] By too low, I mean averages 500mg of salt daily. Reccomended is 1-3g, recommended limit 6g.
[3] Better would be to have it more evenly distributed, prehaps.
I don't know the current conversion from American DOLLARS to Canadian PESOS, so Canadian it's probably $17/bottle..
(joke above people, I was in Canada a month ago)
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Labatt Breweries and Guinness really funded this research. Here goes objectiveness. /Junk Science
Don't drink six beers at one time? Brilliant!
It is obviously bad for your brain. Anyone knows it. So that means if you drink alcohol you gain the healthy body and you lose the brain cells. I don't think I will lose my brain cell over the stupid body...
The Atkins diet, as descibed by the various books and articles from Atkins, is not that bad, in principle. Let me distil down the logic behind it:
1) People eat too much.
2) Eating less just makes you hungry. Ergo, it's difficult.
3) If you look at the rates of ``fullness'' to calories, carbohydrates are way down the list.
4) Thus, if you skip the carbs for a while, it lets the body get used to lower total volume of food, without feeling hungry.
5) After the body is used to lower volumes of food, replace the highly energy dense foods with low energy density foods.
6) Loose weight.
Thus, the whole diet is just a hack, to get people to eat less without going through the tough phase of being hungry at the start.
Note that step 4 is to ``skip'' the carbs. That is, eat the steak, and the veg, skip the fries. Not, eat a bigger steak in place of the fries. That defeats the point.
When viewed in this manner, the Atkins approach has some merit.
Of course, as we all know, when you take a hack, and run with it for a long period, it creates it's own problems. Hack's work for a short period, to get a job done, and then should get refactored into something more wholistic.
What really gets my hackles up is when people order a meal, skip the starchy part, but order a double 'non starchy' part. Way to miss the point!
Ah, yes, Baltica brings back memories. I especially like Baltica 6, the porter.
If you want cheap alchohol, buy vodka in Russia. They sell it by the liter with twist-off caps that are clearly not designed to be put back on.
We're so instant gratification few of us Americans with a weight problem can stand it taking time and effort to resolve.
I once lost 90 pounds over 18 months, gradually, with patience, and exercise.
Of course, since moving to WI, I've put 30 back on, but hey, I'm moving back east and decided it's a change point to put exercise back into my daily existence.
this is the best news i heard all day. of course beer is better than wine. So this means we can drink a lot more right?
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LandLine reports that an Australian winery has developed wine that packs in twice the antioxidants that normal wines do. The winemaker's actually a biochemist, and he has added antioxidant-enriched coffee and other stuff to the range.
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One important difference is that even after the relaxation of the beer purity laws (Reinheitsgebote), most people prefer the original style with no additives. Without the additives (or with whatever comes naturally), beer is a lot less likely to give you a hangover,
However, as with any alcohol consumption, rehydration is advisable before sleeping.
... then I go out for the night and miss watching the discussion unfold.
I thought slashdoters might like this one. My favourtie comment was:
"Smashing your head into a wall while taking steroids is as healthy as professional football!"
I think that sums it up. My problem was that "Beer has the same limited benifits found in wine as long as......" didn't quite fit in the submision box.
Clearly, we all know alcohal has risks. I hope my next submission is a comparison of Pepsi, Coke, Coffee, Tea, Beer and Wine (maybe a merlot) in a 'which is worst for you' shoot-out. My hope is the black stuff is the healthiest of the bunch.
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"For more info on how beer helps police " .....
I knew it ...
Eat, Drink and Be Healthy is a book from Harvard Med. that talks about all kinds of things relating to food and health. Aside from debunking the USDA food pyramid, the authors also go on to show that though red wine is good for you, it's actually the alcohol in it that provides the largest health benefit. So, wine, beer or whiskey, men should have 1-2 drinks daily, and women 0-1. Just remember that alcohol (especially beer) is high in carbs, so if you're on one of those misguided low-carb diets, you need to watch out.
Do you really need reason for beer? Wingman Brewers
The brain cells in the 10% of the brain we use, or the rest of them?
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nuff said !!! cheers
And not of the german paradox (german are big beer drinker as opposed to to French wine drinking habits). AFAIK then French paradox is that the number of cardiac illness being lower in France despite a very fatty food habits, and it is thougth to be partially caused by wine drinking... Or so i remmember. I might be wrong ehre so feel free to correct me.
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Beer is second only to nuclear waste as threat to humanity since Young Einstein split the beer atom.
In the summary.. "how beer helps police... free radicals.."
BEER! The saviour of the free world!
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Unless you've done some really heavy drinking, tolerance to alcohol is usually short-lived (a few days to a week or two after drinking heavily).
That's the sound of thousands of snooty frenchmen spraying wine out through their noses.
You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
There is a lot of hype here.
Consuming a whole beer will give you a slight buzz, but consuming a whole tennis ball will kill you.
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I'm really sorry... I need sleep.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
There are decent American hefes, though. Again, this is a Bay Area-centric list: Bison Brewing in Berkeley used to make a pretty awesome Hefeweizen, though their site doesn't mention it anymore, and I haven't seen it for a few years. Pyramid Hefeweizen isn't quite a superb exemplar of the style, but it is very drinkable.
One non-obvious thing about drinking bottled Hefeweizen: yeast accumulates in the bottom of them bottle. When you serve it, you leave some beer at the bottom of the bottle when you first pour, you swish this remainder around the bottom of the bottle to dislodge the yeast residue, and then you pour the remaining beer along with the yeast. (Well, unless you like to have fewer yeast. Try it both ways, and see what you prefer.)
Are you adequate?
"Wheat beer" is a pretty generic term for beer whose brewing process involves, um, wheat. There's two major traditional styles of wheat beer: Bavarian Hefeweisse, and Belgian wheat beers (called something like Witbier, can't recall).
In addition, in the US you'll find a number of wheat beers that aren't either of these styles. Some of these are (mis)labeled as "Hefeweizen", but don't taste anything like the real thing. I've had bad experiences with most of these, at least in the left coast.
For a nice Belgian-style wheat beer brewed in this side of the world, you may try to find some Blanche de Chambly...
Are you adequate?
The chemical compounds found in red wine are called resveratrol, polyphenols and anthrocyanidins. Resveratrol is described to be "a potent anti-oxidant (about 20-50 times as effectively as vitamin C alone) and act synergistically with vitamin C enhancing the effects of each. Resveratrol has been demonstrated to have an anti-clotting effect that prevents the formation of thrombi or blood clots in the blood vessels."
The article I found goes on to explain why alcohol can cause a hangover and why it is bad for the body: "When alcohol is consumed, the alcohol level in the blood increases and produces the intoxication effect. The body then begins "detoxifying" or metabolizing the alcohol. The first step is the conversion of alcohol to acetaldehyde by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase. This happens fairly quickly in individuals who regularly consume alcohol. The second step is the conversion of acetaldehyde into acetate by the enzyme aldehyde dehydrogenase. This process is a bit slower and leaves a quantity of acetaldehyde in the system for several hours or longer. It is the acetaldehyde that produces most of the undesirable toxic effects..."
"Acetaldehyde, produced primarily in the liver, but also in other organs to a lesser extent, readily binds to the walls of red blood cells and hitches a ride to all parts of the body including the brain. By attaching itself to the red blood cells, it makes them more rigid and prevents them from entering the smaller capillaries. (The smaller capillaries are much smaller than a red blood cell and the cell is forced to stretch, elongate and squeeze its way through.) This reduces the oxygen supply to most of the cells of the body including the brain. ( The Brain consumes 20% of all the oxygen we breathe). Acetaldehyde also combines with the hemoglobin in the red blood cells further reducing its ability to carry oxygen."
"In addition to inducing hypoxia (oxygen starvation at the cellular level), Acetaldehyde reduces the ability of the protein tubulin to assemble into microtubules. Microtubules provide a structural support for the neurons and dendrites in the brain and actually transport neurochemicals manufactured in the nerve cells to the dendrites, including genetic material. Without the microtubules, the dendrites gradually atrophy and die off..."
And the list goes on and on, so it's not the alcohol that is beneficial, but the anti-oxidant resveratrol found in red wine.
In Ireland, Guinness has long thought to be medicinal. In fact, it was suposedly administered to nursing mothers, blood donors, stomach and intestinal post-operative patients and mothers recovering from childbirth because of this.
No wonder Guinness used the slogan "Guinness is good for you" for many years in their advertising.
However, I do think it's a bit cruel that just down wind of St James' Gate (the Guinness Brewery in Dublin) is an old Hospital where they used to treat alcoholics. You would often get a good wiff of Guinness around that area of Dublin, this must have been torture!
Anyway, I will always love a great pint of Guinness, the fact that it's good for me is just a positive side effect.
Actually, Budweiser truly deserves the title 'King Of Beers'. Not the American version, though.
Hmm... yeah. IMHO The American version actually deserves the title 'Lemonade of Beers'.
Perversely, I'd probably class the American Budweiser as my favourite beer, but since I dislike beer in general, this really proves my point...
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Move to Germany. This is standard operating procedure over there: no decent employee cafeteria is lacking beer.
The problem there is that all such cafeterias are full of drunk Germans.
Even worse, if it's dress down Friday, they'll all be wearing Lederhosen and dancing to David Hasselhoff's latest album (*)
(*) Yeah, I know David Hasselhoff hasn't been *that* popular in Germany recently; but it's a reputation you're not going to shake off. In 500 years time, the first music-related question to ask any German will be "Do you like David Hasselhoff?"
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what about the "French Phenomenon" then?
also mr. k is not the first to "find" this
Prof. Walzl/Austria has reported this years ago, and there are many others
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I just found that it's actually wines from cooler regions that have higher levels of resveratrol:
a study by NYS Agricultural Experiment Station, Cornell University, Geneva, NY
"The New York grape breeding program places a high priority on the development of highly disease resistant grape varieties. Resveratrol, a compound produced by grapes and just a few other plants, is associated with resistance to downy mildew and Botrytis bunch rot in grapes. Moreover, scientific evidence for its role in reducing the risk of coronary disease and cancer is mounting quickly. Our goal was to screen breeding program selections for resveratrol production in order to aid in the development of disease-resistant hybrids which also carry the potential for high resveratrol content. We also sought to identify commercial varieties with high resveratrol production potential. Relative resveratrol levels in leaves and berries of 48 varieties and selections were analyzed. Highest levels of leaf resveratrol were found in Vitis aestivalis, Ill. 547-1 (rupestris x cinerea)..."
"Seventy red wines submitted by New York wineries were analyzed for resveratrol. The range was from 1 to 46 micromolar resveratrol. A 46 micromolar resveratrol wine is extraordinary. We had considered 25 micromolar the highest possible concentration. We do not yet have an explanation for the cause of this high concentration.
"New York Pinot Noir averaged the highest in resveratrol of all wine types analyzed. Sixty-five percent of New York Pinot Noir were above 10 micromolar and the average of the seventeen analyzed was 14 uM. New York Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot and Cabernet Franc wines averaged around 8 uM. Hybrid and American red table wines averaged 4 uM resveratrol."
"Forty wines from regions other than New York were analyzed. The average resveratrol of New York wines of each wine style was higher than from other growing regions."
So if I understand this coorectly, the grapes grown in cooler regions are more susceptible to rot than those grown in sunny regions, so their levels of resveratrol to combat rot are higher.
(on a side note: it seems peanuts also have high levels of resveratrol, so bring on the peanut butter and have a glass of Pinot Noir with that! :P)
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Well, I'm not going to drink alcoholic beverages 3 meals a day.
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Good to know, as the Oktoberfest is starting on saturday.
Boy, do I intend to do something for my health there...
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I hope you didnt miss the real issue here. 1. One beer is good. 2. Three beers is really bad. What the heck can I do with one beer?????? ;-)
yea but is there a difference between drinking a Corona vs a skull crusher or Mckewens at nearly 10% alcohol per bottle.
If I can only drink one beer then I'd rather drink the latter....
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Someone is modding certain replies to this as Trolls, when they quite simply aren't. I modded a couple of them back up, but keep an eye on them.
One thing that I've always wondered about with respect to the 'health benefits' of wine (and now beer)... does the process of cooking it decrease, increase, or have no effect on the benefits? I for one don't particularly like beer or wine as drinks, but do plenty of cooking using them (try replacing the water you normally add when making tacos with red wine some time. Yum!).
The science method requires that results be repeatable. Students, get those kegs rolling!
You go to any government funded Counselling clinic for drugs or alcohol and tell them you drink any amount of alcohol everyday. You will be flagged as an alcoholic or a person with a drinking problem quicker than you can blink. DUI's and offenses that involve drink make up 30 percent or greater of the arrests in this country. The police like nothing more that to here that you had a drink when they come to visit you. That sign, seals and delivers a guilty verdict in front of a judge nearly every time. The official rate of conviction in most alcohol related 'crimes' is above 97%.
The point is that medically it is deemed as a good thing. Socially it is accepted. But the moral minority in this country (USA) wrote the laws and has made it offensive and the ultimate leverage to remove your ability to defend yourself. Try it sometime. Don't like your neighbor? Next time you see him drink a beer, call the police and say that he took a swing at you. They won't belive him no matter how much he tries to deny it. He will go to jail, and the judge will never believe him because the police will say the smelled alcohol. He will be sentence to some sort of counselling and be labeled a problem drinker. Just watch your back when he comes after you with his 9mm.
All these various article neglect to mention that Grape Juice is just about as healthy (in terms of anti-oxidants) as Red Wine.
See this CNN.com story for details.
Considering how (IMHO) revolting beer is, this is a God-send.
from the article...
"Beer, wine, stout, and matured spirits (rum, whisky, sherry and port), which extract tannins from the oak casks they are matured or stored in, all contain significant amounts of polyphenols. "
Am I just misunderstanding that or does the majority of the benefit come from the oak casks?
I don't get you guys; I love Big Macs, and whoppers, just give me such a nice burger with large cold coke and fries, and generous amounts of ketchup, and I'd be so happy. They got carboyhydrates, proteins, salad, sauce, starch, and all the good stuff.
That's wine...
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Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.
Labatt's and Guiness each paid $25,000 to fund the study.
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All your beer are mine.
What exactlly do you mean by "x/russian"? The Baltic States (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia) regained their independence from Soviet Union in 1991. They have their own culture (and it's not even close to Russian culture), languages.
This proves it. The mods are a bunch of drunks.
There are now several hundred, NONconflicting, peer-reviewed studies that show that moderate alcohol consumers live longer than either heavy drinkers or abstainers.
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