So what you're saying is, if you want an exploitable server, use Gentoo Linux and you'll never have to compile anything? But if you don't, you will have to compile all updates, right? Or has this situation changed?
No, not **all** updates.
On my machine, emerge sync && emerge -up world | grep ebuild | wc -l show 22 packages available for upgrade, including some hefty ones that would take maybe a day on this machine.
However - do I need to go from sys-devel/gcc-3.2.3-r1 to 3.2.3-r2 ? Course not. Do I need kernel r8, and not r7? No. vim-core-6.2-r4 instead of 6.2-r3. No.
So I look down the list for security related packages, and keep up with Buqtraq, and the Gentoo security mailing list, and I only have to upgrade a new package maybe once, twice a month?
And on servers, where you don't install XF86, KDE/Gnome, Openoffice, or Mozilla (which are the largest packages, each taking about a day (for me anyway)) you can be up and running after a Stage 3 install in about 20 minutes.
Don't believe the FUD about Gentoo. Why do you think so many people say it's good? Because they're all stupid and misguided? No. Because they tried it, and liked it.
Regarding your sig: "Fifty million Americans can't be wrong."Except if they are using p2p filesharing
Didn't one of your presidents once say that the American way of life is non-negotiable? Well, if you can make P2P a "way of life", you've got it sorted.
If you believe what you have just written above, then you have obviously never actually tried Gentoo.
It's very good, very stable, fast, lightweight, has good defaults, is nice and secure, and get this - you don't have to compile anything ever if you don't want.
Course, I would advise compiling the latest SSH/Apache/FTPd whatever daemons you run, and whatever apps have local root exploits, but of course you are so l33t with your Gentoo bashing that you must know this already.
Hmmm. This is interesting. Old timers use Slack or Debian. Those that want something more modern or without crazy licencing nonsense use Gentoo. But what to give to someone when people ask if they should try Linux?
I used to just hand out the 3 Redhat CDs. But now? 6 Debian floppies? 1 Gentoo Live CD?
Many people simply think that Redhat is Linux. I think Redhat are doing themselves out of large amounts of new users. And what users are using at home, can be found in the work place a while later. (Classic example is me. Mail, DNS, and FW all on Gentoo now. Nice, stable and fast).
Funny eh. They're moving away from the registry back to services that run with conf files. And they're doing CLI only versions of their OSs for ease of remote configuration. Why not just port all their stuff to some free unix-like OS?
Well, I was quite surprised with that link. I live in Bristol, and it might be worth making the trip up one weekend. However, that's nothing to do with the cuisine of the UK, rather the cooking of the UK.
Why must we find new and more efficient ways to kill the whole world? Information, once known, is like a genie out of a bottle. It's only going to end up with more and more people knowing about it. Unless you kill everyone that knows about it, and destroy all papers, it's a one-way slope.
This is like having an argument with Russians when they say, "Aaaah, but we've got more nukes than you have." Seriously, what's the point?
Erm, sometimes a good idea could be lost in the noise. I just wanted to bring attention to it, and who knows - maybe someone that is looking for some extensions to a filesystem to write might be reading Slashdot, and think, "hmm, that's a good idea, and someone else thinks so too".
You just never know.
Listen, Sonny Jim. You'll not be getting any mod points from us by bringing up the last contender to Windows, which failed miserably. We're feeling good about ourselves right now, and we don't need bringing down.
When I was running Redhat, the only binary things I installed were Redhat RPMs. Everything else was from a tar-ball. And yes, I am aware that because I didn't read every single line of said tarballs that it could have had a backdoor or some code changed in it. But it's a damn sight better than connecting to some random server, downloading some dodgy rpm, or exe, and installing it.
However, I wish Gentoo would use GPG sigs for their ebuilds rather than MD5sums. You listening, drobbins?:)
Slashdot Mirror
One big NetBEUI broadcast domain - now that would be fun.
You **can** use your MAC address within the IPv6 address if you so choose.
But how is this different to having a static IPv4 address currently?
So what you're saying is, if you want an exploitable server, use Gentoo Linux and you'll never have to compile anything?
But if you don't, you will have to compile all updates, right? Or has this situation changed?
No, not **all** updates.
On my machine, emerge sync && emerge -up world | grep ebuild | wc -l show 22 packages available for upgrade, including some hefty ones that would take maybe a day on this machine.
However - do I need to go from sys-devel/gcc-3.2.3-r1 to 3.2.3-r2 ? Course not. Do I need kernel r8, and not r7? No. vim-core-6.2-r4 instead of 6.2-r3. No.
So I look down the list for security related packages, and keep up with Buqtraq, and the Gentoo security mailing list, and I only have to upgrade a new package maybe once, twice a month?
And on servers, where you don't install XF86, KDE/Gnome, Openoffice, or Mozilla (which are the largest packages, each taking about a day (for me anyway)) you can be up and running after a Stage 3 install in about 20 minutes.
Don't believe the FUD about Gentoo. Why do you think so many people say it's good? Because they're all stupid and misguided? No. Because they tried it, and liked it.
It's not worth the paper it's written on
Didn't one of your presidents once say that the American way of life is non-negotiable? Well, if you can make P2P a "way of life", you've got it sorted.
However, a coin is double-sided. Wonder what a one-sided dice is? A sphere? Ooooh, deeep.
If you believe what you have just written above, then you have obviously never actually tried Gentoo.
It's very good, very stable, fast, lightweight, has good defaults, is nice and secure, and get this - you don't have to compile anything ever if you don't want.
Course, I would advise compiling the latest SSH/Apache/FTPd whatever daemons you run, and whatever apps have local root exploits, but of course you are so l33t with your Gentoo bashing that you must know this already.
I don't like Debian because:
When you type a command, and realise you've typed ci instead of vi at the beginning, pressing "Home" doesn't take you to the beginning of the line.
Yep, it's small and trivial, and probably easily fixable. But I don't want to have to change it on every machine.
Hmmm. This is interesting. Old timers use Slack or Debian. Those that want something more modern or without crazy licencing nonsense use Gentoo. But what to give to someone when people ask if they should try Linux?
I used to just hand out the 3 Redhat CDs. But now? 6 Debian floppies? 1 Gentoo Live CD?
Many people simply think that Redhat is Linux. I think Redhat are doing themselves out of large amounts of new users. And what users are using at home, can be found in the work place a while later. (Classic example is me. Mail, DNS, and FW all on Gentoo now. Nice, stable and fast).
Funny eh. They're moving away from the registry back to services that run with conf files. And they're doing CLI only versions of their OSs for ease of remote configuration. Why not just port all their stuff to some free unix-like OS?
Well, I was quite surprised with that link. I live in Bristol, and it might be worth making the trip up one weekend. However, that's nothing to do with the cuisine of the UK, rather the cooking of the UK.
Do you notice the .co.uk at the end of my email address?
It's not my government.
Why must we find new and more efficient ways to kill the whole world? Information, once known, is like a genie out of a bottle. It's only going to end up with more and more people knowing about it. Unless you kill everyone that knows about it, and destroy all papers, it's a one-way slope.
This is like having an argument with Russians when they say, "Aaaah, but we've got more nukes than you have." Seriously, what's the point?
Erm, sometimes a good idea could be lost in the noise. I just wanted to bring attention to it, and who knows - maybe someone that is looking for some extensions to a filesystem to write might be reading Slashdot, and think, "hmm, that's a good idea, and someone else thinks so too".
You just never know.
Aah yes, that well known hacker-fleet that drives around :o) Could cover war-drivers I suppose.
Listen, Sonny Jim. You'll not be getting any mod points from us by bringing up the last contender to Windows, which failed miserably. We're feeling good about ourselves right now, and we don't need bringing down.
Not a bad idea. Ext4, or Reiser v5?
It's been 15 seconds since you hit 'reply'!
Goddamn it. It only took me 15 seconds to type it.
Hmm. How stable is it? From /usr/src/linux/Documentation/nbd.txt:
Note: Network Block Device is now experimental, which approximately
means, that it works on my computer, and it worked on one of school
computers.
That doesn't sound very promising to me. Usually stuff that's been in the kernel since 2.1 days is rock solid.
Isn't AFS/Coda more like the guy wants (excluding Windows-ability, although I seem to remember there being something for Andrews for Windows)?
Insightful, and yet scary. What happened to "the best tools for the job"?
It might cause the sky to fall down on our heads, or the atmosphere to evaporate, killing us all with solar radiation.
And who has done this, and when did they time it?
Awww. You feel like all the nasty Penguinistas are being nasty to you and your preciousssss?
Or you could never leave the command prompt:
i ces\Messenger" >> foo.reg /s foo.reg
echo "Windows Registry Blah" > foo.reg
echo >> foo.reg
echo "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Serv
echo "DWORD:Start = 4" >> foo.reg
regedit
(I know I didn't get the right syntax, but you people running Windows can always export one and change it)
When I was running Redhat, the only binary things I installed were Redhat RPMs. Everything else was from a tar-ball. And yes, I am aware that because I didn't read every single line of said tarballs that it could have had a backdoor or some code changed in it. But it's a damn sight better than connecting to some random server, downloading some dodgy rpm, or exe, and installing it.
:)
However, I wish Gentoo would use GPG sigs for their ebuilds rather than MD5sums. You listening, drobbins?
Wow. Surely the best explanation why **not** to run closed source software. You just can't tell what it's doing.