I have a question. I've noticed that this argument has spawned a really amazing explosion of stupidity, well represented by your debate opponent there.
I know more about the technology behind this than usual for/. arguments, and I'm wondering - does this much stupidity fly around every day and I just don't know enough about the topic to notice, or has this thread just attracted more than the normal distribution of idiots?
I'm claiming that Opera 6 (and originally, Opera 7) get served the version of the site designed for Netscape 4.7.
And you're just as wrong now as you were when you said that the first time. I really do not understand this. The only possible explanation is that you didn't read The Fucking Article, or you didn't know what I meant by TFA.
The satellite TV industry and the Motion Picture Association of America lose millions of dollars from piracy, he noted.
Thank God they stopped these scoundrels. Who can say how many children went hungry because these miscreants gathered radio waves instead of letting them hit the ground.
I have fucking had it with all this "voice of moderation" karma whoring.
IIRC the source of the problem was a single incorrect figure in the style sheet. NO possiblity whatsoever of a typo there then.
Okay, let me get this straight. You develop a completely seperate css file to work against the user agent string sent by Opera browsers, despite the fact that Opera can easily handle the default stylesheet. So your characterization of a single incorrect figure is incorrect:
diff site.css site-win-ie6.css |wc -m
2627
My research indicates that you are off by two thousand six hundred twenty six characters.
In this completely fucking seperate stylesheet, you copy shared values by hand rather than copy/paste and place -30px (a value which, in the css universe, is insane) rather than 23px for the standard production stylesheet. This is a typo in your universe?
Can any opera users confirm if the style sheets are still messed up ?
From TFA:
MSN now allows access to users of Opera 7, but is still targeting and sending users of earlier versions a broken page.
Moderators, please, stop mistaking skepticism for insight.
Krill have announced that they will dissolve their species effective some time in Q2 of 2003, citing a hostile intellectual property environment which makes their business plan no longer tenable. Their remaining assets are expected to be acquired by Blue Whales.
Beats me, but how do you know these people were terrorists?
Well, I feel a lot better about being so hard on you now that I know you have no pretense of intellectual honesty.
While Americans seem to want the rest of the world to worship them for being the 'protectors of good' that we all know and love the good ol' USofA for, eh?
No, we Americans want the rest of the world to not fly airplanes into our buildings and/or aid and abet those who do.
And I suppose, actually, that Australians have had nothing to do with this country's well-being, growth, or relative peacefulness.
Considering that Idaho farm boys fighting an almost hopeless battle on the island of Guadalcanal kept the phrase "The rape of Sydney" out of the history books, I feel some credit is due. I can put you in touch with some Nanking survivors if you disagree.
I think I will patent a system for the production of specific enzymes through the use of transportable and duplicable molecular combinations through polymerase enzymes.
I will then demand license fees for the operation of DNA in every lifeform on Earth.
The closest I could come up with is a lawsuit filed against yahoo late last year about online ordering.
It doesn't go into details, but it appears the NCR's claims, at least in this case (and according to the yahoo attorneys) are as crazy as the slashdot headline suggests. No mention is made of anyone paying them license fees, however.
Hey now, I'm sorry but I'm afraid I'm going to have to say that anyone ignorant enough to believe what they've been told about this situation...
Just for fun, who do you think did it if not the people photographed getting on the plane in Boston and whose voices screaming "allah akbar" were recorded on cockpit voice recorders?
That you let GWB2 run amok without having *any* public oversight of it all is just too much to bear.
Actually, it's not so much GW as the law enforcement/military community that has run amok, but I completely agree that a large portion of the U.S. government has responded to 9/11 by declaring war on the privacy of U.S. citizens. No one's letting them do this, however.
I agree that it is ridiculous to start taking away American freedoms in the name of defending freedom, which is why I wanted the US to respond immediately and brutally after the 9/11 attacks. We should have taken Saddam out long before now, if for no other reason than:
to take away the one advantage a terrorist has - initiative. The more violent our response, the shorter their timeframe for activating sleeper cells. Our only hope of dealing with them is to compress the amount of time we spend under their threat
to take advantage of the fact that Islamic fanatics lose all sense of timing and strategy if we make them mad enough. This was proven in Afghanistan, and used against them with good effect. So good, in fact, that I believe that the public perception of GW rushing into war is being fostered on purpose to enrage the terrorists and cause them to make mistakes.
Good luck with your New World Order...
Of all the arguments that could be leveled against Bush these days, this one makes the least sense. The rest of the world seems directed toward the purpose of ensuring that the American people experience maximum possible threat against their lives.
Speaking of American lives, enjoy Australia. Like so many free lands, it is brought to you by the blood of Americans, specifically that of the 1st Division, USMC.
Bill Gates has done more to threaten the free exchange of information than the medieval Catholic church. I'm not sure that he can buy his way out of that on any moral level, but he's not even really trying. The Gates foundation is about PR, not real help. Most of the bazillions we've heard about are not cash, but actually Microsoft stock. If he cashes it out, he'll devalue the company, so he can't really touch this until he retires anyway. This provides a very good way for him to manipulate M$'s tax exposure while investing in biotech and drug companies.
I'm Australian. I lived in the US for 15 years before 9/11. I moved here after 9/11 because I did not like what was happening in America as a result of this 'incident', which I do not believe has been thoroughly investigated, nor properly treated according to American Law.
I have to give you some credit for getting the hell out of the country. Anyone ignorant enough to dispute Al Qaeda's responsibility for 9/11 shouldn't be voting.
If irritation over globalization(wtf?), McDonalds, Britney and all the other wonderful machinations of The American Way prevents you from understanding that we've got terrorists flying airplanes into our buildings, then the German capacity for the creative interpretation of justice is just as it was in the '30s.
Unless my history books deceive me about some heretofore unknown Jewish/Polish terrorist conspiracy resulting in the deaths of thousands of German citizens, your hopeless analogy of the examples of the evils of your own country holds little bearing on the modern reality of most Americans, or upon the actions of the American government.
You may not know this, but we've got mobile AA missile platforms patrolling our cities. We've been told to store three days of water and food and be prepared to tape up our windows and doors in case of a NBC attack.
I realize that you Germans find it economically inconvenient that our attempts to redress this situation might threaten your supply of oil and your investments in Iraq's infrastructure, but I simply believe that the safety and well being of 300 million Americans is worth your economic discomfort, regardless of how many of them are Britney Spears fans.
As regards numerical fact, I would not debate you. Clearly most people modded down as trolls are making stupid comments. Having seen and heard of forum sites being wrecked by trolls, I understand the hostility.
I am a/. member in good standing. karma excellent, moderator queue, etc. I have noticed, however, that if one single AC accuses me of trolling, that post will be summarily and mindlessly modded down into oblivion (any semblence of quality discussion must be a ruse on my part), and if I continue to try to make my point (on the topic, not the moderation), I will be punished by moderators hunting down posts I made in other topics and modding them "overrated". This is the way/. tells me that I am saying something that is forbidden. Subsequent AC posts indicate that if I were to continue, I would become personally identified as a troll, and have subsequent legitimate comments modded down just on reputation. Usually, though, I shut up, go back to being a good boy, and in a few days, I am forgiven.
Having come back from the "troll event horizon" as I have, I can't say what happens when you stick to your guns. Are you outcast forever, being moderated because of who you are rather than what you say? How could you tell anyone about what happened? What sort of comments would you post if that happened to you? Judging from some of the comments I've read, it appears that/. turns legitimate contributors into trolls by agreeing upon ideas which are inherently good or evil, acting consistently and punitively based on that standard, and silencing anyone found guilty of violating that standard or talking about the process.
Making a value judgement on such excommunication is something I will not do (mostly because I don't feel like going to mod hell for a few days), but I do wonder - if singling out posters for death is perfectly within the acceptable scope of what we want/. to be, why isn't it in the FAQ or moderator guidelines? Why are there instead statements such as "Mod up, not down?"
Yeah, there's extensive licensing/home inspection provisions (read: rich people can do it), but I don't know of any UK licensing provision that provides for a blue collar citizen to keep a loaded weapon at the ready, on their person or in their homes, for use in self defense.
I suppose your spelling of offense indicates that you are talking about the U.K. Because with the exception of certain municipalities, we have the right to bear arms in the United States.
States are having budget crises for the same reason we are - there's a RECESSION. I therefore don't subscribe to the idea that the people, suffering under the same fucking recession, should somehow be expected to foot the bill to maintain the pre-recession budget levels of state governments.
If tightening our belts is good enough for us, why is it not good enough for them?
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I have a question. I've noticed that this argument has spawned a really amazing explosion of stupidity, well represented by your debate opponent there.
I know more about the technology behind this than usual for /. arguments, and I'm wondering - does this much stupidity fly around every day and I just don't know enough about the topic to notice, or has this thread just attracted more than the normal distribution of idiots?
I'm claiming that Opera 6 (and originally, Opera 7) get served the version of the site designed for Netscape 4.7.
And you're just as wrong now as you were when you said that the first time. I really do not understand this. The only possible explanation is that you didn't read The Fucking Article, or you didn't know what I meant by TFA.
The satellite TV industry and the Motion Picture Association of America lose millions of dollars from piracy, he noted.
Thank God they stopped these scoundrels. Who can say how many children went hungry because these miscreants gathered radio waves instead of letting them hit the ground.
While one should be cautious about drawing conclusions...
It's a little late to be cautious.
They get delivered the stylesheet written for Netscape 4.7 - a much more popular browser than either Mozilla or Opera.
TFA seems to dipute that point.
I have fucking had it with all this "voice of moderation" karma whoring.
IIRC the source of the problem was a single incorrect figure in the style sheet. NO possiblity whatsoever of a typo there then.
Okay, let me get this straight. You develop a completely seperate css file to work against the user agent string sent by Opera browsers, despite the fact that Opera can easily handle the default stylesheet. So your characterization of a single incorrect figure is incorrect:
My research indicates that you are off by two thousand six hundred twenty six characters. In this completely fucking seperate stylesheet, you copy shared values by hand rather than copy/paste and place -30px (a value which, in the css universe, is insane) rather than 23px for the standard production stylesheet. This is a typo in your universe?Can any opera users confirm if the style sheets are still messed up ?
From TFA:
Moderators, please, stop mistaking skepticism for insight.
If I didn't already own licenses for Opera on Windows and Linux, I'd buy it today just to reward this sort of behavior.
Better grab a copy of the bork edition before it gets (cease && desist)ed.
Please don't mod me up. ;)
Haha, you fool! You and your webserver will soon regret your gif formatting!
Krill have announced that they will dissolve their species effective some time in Q2 of 2003, citing a hostile intellectual property environment which makes their business plan no longer tenable. Their remaining assets are expected to be acquired by Blue Whales.
Beats me, but how do you know these people were terrorists?
Well, I feel a lot better about being so hard on you now that I know you have no pretense of intellectual honesty.
While Americans seem to want the rest of the world to worship them for being the 'protectors of good' that we all know and love the good ol' USofA for, eh?
No, we Americans want the rest of the world to not fly airplanes into our buildings and/or aid and abet those who do.
You enjoy your drinking water there, buddy ...
That's not very damn funny.
And I suppose, actually, that Australians have had nothing to do with this country's well-being, growth, or relative peacefulness.
Considering that Idaho farm boys fighting an almost hopeless battle on the island of Guadalcanal kept the phrase "The rape of Sydney" out of the history books, I feel some credit is due. I can put you in touch with some Nanking survivors if you disagree.
I think I will patent a system for the production of specific enzymes through the use of transportable and duplicable molecular combinations through polymerase enzymes.
I will then demand license fees for the operation of DNA in every lifeform on Earth.
The closest I could come up with is a lawsuit filed against yahoo late last year about online ordering.
It doesn't go into details, but it appears the NCR's claims, at least in this case (and according to the yahoo attorneys) are as crazy as the slashdot headline suggests. No mention is made of anyone paying them license fees, however.
(eBay, Amazon and MSFT have already licensed from NCR)
Is there proof of this?
Hey now, I'm sorry but I'm afraid I'm going to have to say that anyone ignorant enough to believe what they've been told about this situation...
Just for fun, who do you think did it if not the people photographed getting on the plane in Boston and whose voices screaming "allah akbar" were recorded on cockpit voice recorders?
That you let GWB2 run amok without having *any* public oversight of it all is just too much to bear.
Actually, it's not so much GW as the law enforcement/military community that has run amok, but I completely agree that a large portion of the U.S. government has responded to 9/11 by declaring war on the privacy of U.S. citizens. No one's letting them do this, however.
I agree that it is ridiculous to start taking away American freedoms in the name of defending freedom, which is why I wanted the US to respond immediately and brutally after the 9/11 attacks. We should have taken Saddam out long before now, if for no other reason than:
Good luck with your New World Order...
Of all the arguments that could be leveled against Bush these days, this one makes the least sense. The rest of the world seems directed toward the purpose of ensuring that the American people experience maximum possible threat against their lives.
Speaking of American lives, enjoy Australia. Like so many free lands, it is brought to you by the blood of Americans, specifically that of the 1st Division, USMC.
Bill Gates has done more to threaten the free exchange of information than the medieval Catholic church. I'm not sure that he can buy his way out of that on any moral level, but he's not even really trying. The Gates foundation is about PR, not real help. Most of the bazillions we've heard about are not cash, but actually Microsoft stock. If he cashes it out, he'll devalue the company, so he can't really touch this until he retires anyway. This provides a very good way for him to manipulate M$'s tax exposure while investing in biotech and drug companies.
Where's the forensic evidence?
Do they have news down there?
I'm Australian. I lived in the US for 15 years before 9/11. I moved here after 9/11 because I did not like what was happening in America as a result of this 'incident', which I do not believe has been thoroughly investigated, nor properly treated according to American Law.
I have to give you some credit for getting the hell out of the country. Anyone ignorant enough to dispute Al Qaeda's responsibility for 9/11 shouldn't be voting.
If irritation over globalization(wtf?), McDonalds, Britney and all the other wonderful machinations of The American Way prevents you from understanding that we've got terrorists flying airplanes into our buildings, then the German capacity for the creative interpretation of justice is just as it was in the '30s.
Unless my history books deceive me about some heretofore unknown Jewish/Polish terrorist conspiracy resulting in the deaths of thousands of German citizens, your hopeless analogy of the examples of the evils of your own country holds little bearing on the modern reality of most Americans, or upon the actions of the American government.
You may not know this, but we've got mobile AA missile platforms patrolling our cities. We've been told to store three days of water and food and be prepared to tape up our windows and doors in case of a NBC attack.
I realize that you Germans find it economically inconvenient that our attempts to redress this situation might threaten your supply of oil and your investments in Iraq's infrastructure, but I simply believe that the safety and well being of 300 million Americans is worth your economic discomfort, regardless of how many of them are Britney Spears fans.
Sorry, but the trolls created their own mess.
As regards numerical fact, I would not debate you. Clearly most people modded down as trolls are making stupid comments. Having seen and heard of forum sites being wrecked by trolls, I understand the hostility.
I am a /. member in good standing. karma excellent, moderator queue, etc. I have noticed, however, that if one single AC accuses me of trolling, that post will be summarily and mindlessly modded down into oblivion (any semblence of quality discussion must be a ruse on my part), and if I continue to try to make my point (on the topic, not the moderation), I will be punished by moderators hunting down posts I made in other topics and modding them "overrated". This is the way /. tells me that I am saying something that is forbidden. Subsequent AC posts indicate that if I were to continue, I would become personally identified as a troll, and have subsequent legitimate comments modded down just on reputation. Usually, though, I shut up, go back to being a good boy, and in a few days, I am forgiven.
Having come back from the "troll event horizon" as I have, I can't say what happens when you stick to your guns. Are you outcast forever, being moderated because of who you are rather than what you say? How could you tell anyone about what happened? What sort of comments would you post if that happened to you? Judging from some of the comments I've read, it appears that /. turns legitimate contributors into trolls by agreeing upon ideas which are inherently good or evil, acting consistently and punitively based on that standard, and silencing anyone found guilty of violating that standard or talking about the process.
Making a value judgement on such excommunication is something I will not do (mostly because I don't feel like going to mod hell for a few days), but I do wonder - if singling out posters for death is perfectly within the acceptable scope of what we want /. to be, why isn't it in the FAQ or moderator guidelines? Why are there instead statements such as "Mod up, not down?"
I notice you have the last good version of all the games you mentioned. Yet more reason not to upgrade.
Ow. I hope you are running Linux with !(knome || gde)
This makes me feel a lot less like a cantankerous, cheap old fart for not replacing my Athlon 650.
Buy game, copy, microwave for 3 seconds, return "defective" CD, buy different game, repeat.
It came this way, honest. I guess Homeland Defense is getting pretty serious about scanning the contents of imported cargo, huh?
Yeah, there's extensive licensing/home inspection provisions (read: rich people can do it), but I don't know of any UK licensing provision that provides for a blue collar citizen to keep a loaded weapon at the ready, on their person or in their homes, for use in self defense.
I suppose your spelling of offense indicates that you are talking about the U.K. Because with the exception of certain municipalities, we have the right to bear arms in the United States.
States are having budget crises for the same reason we are - there's a RECESSION. I therefore don't subscribe to the idea that the people, suffering under the same fucking recession, should somehow be expected to foot the bill to maintain the pre-recession budget levels of state governments.
If tightening our belts is good enough for us, why is it not good enough for them?