I use/support both Gnome and KDE. I have, until recently, primarily supported/installed Red Hat. Red Hat defaulted to and better supported Gnome so we generally went with that.
Over the last two years I have installed many systems which migrated both business and home users from Windows to Linux. Half stuck with the default Gnome on Red Hat; the other half got RH 7.3 with KDE or SuSE 9 with KDE. Some businesses had both classes or users. Most were running, pretty much, the same set of client sw (OpenOffice, Mozilla, file mgr, Gimp,...) to perform similar tasks.
Those that received KDE desktops are very happy campers. They have migrated from using Windows to using Linux with very little problems and very little training. They are tickled (for the most part) with their Linux systems.
Those that received Gnome desktops are very UN-happy campers. Several find it so difficult and confusing they want their Windows systems back.
I understand the licensing argument (I think). I was more in favor of Gnome licensing but have been somewhat swayed by argument that KDE's GPL (give back) or QT license (support further development) may be better, in the long run, for the Linux community than Gnome's LGPL (free without having to give back).
I understand the desire to standardize on one desktop BUT feel a Gnome system, with no KDE support, does not really compete with the competition (Windows, OS-X, KDE, etc.). I appreciate the foundation may be better in some way, the app faster, etc. but if it does half of what I need a little faster or more elagantly it is still inadequate.
BUT, for me, the bottom line is my KDE users have been migrated easily and relatively painlessly and my Gnome users want their Windows back.
I've downloaded and tried using most new Amaya versions since 2.x. I *really* like the idea of browse/edit. But Amaya has consistently been schizophrenic; it is ahead of the curve on several aspects (standards like CSS, XHTML, SVG) and way, way behind the curve/competition on many other aspects. For a given page here and there it works very nicely but I have never been able to use it to browse to many modern sites that contain JavaScript, Java, etc.
I think Amaya is a wonderful idea but...
R.Parr
Temporal Arts
Where do you get $230? The entitlement may be $120 but the OS is, I think* $1500 (and is currently based on RH 7.x). It's more like you can get a two year old operating system for $1500 + 5*120 which Re d Had will support for 5 years (but which most other development has moved well beyone).
There have been quite a few project management apps which have been rolled over by MS Project and a few others.
Maybe one of them?
We sure need one. I haven't been able to find anything I could use to remove our dependency on MS Project. All I can find for Linux or Java are projects that are alpha, beta at best, and do not have enough features to even think of replacing MS Project.
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I use/support both Gnome and KDE. I have, until recently, primarily supported/installed Red Hat. Red Hat defaulted to and better supported Gnome so we generally went with that.
...) to perform similar tasks.
Over the last two years I have installed many systems which migrated both business and home users from Windows to Linux. Half stuck with the default Gnome on Red Hat; the other half got RH 7.3 with KDE or SuSE 9 with KDE. Some businesses had both classes or users. Most were running, pretty much, the same set of client sw (OpenOffice, Mozilla, file mgr, Gimp,
Those that received KDE desktops are very happy campers. They have migrated from using Windows to using Linux with very little problems and very little training. They are tickled (for the most part) with their Linux systems.
Those that received Gnome desktops are very UN-happy campers. Several find it so difficult and confusing they want their Windows systems back.
I understand the licensing argument (I think). I was more in favor of Gnome licensing but have been somewhat swayed by argument that KDE's GPL (give back) or QT license (support further development) may be better, in the long run, for the Linux community than Gnome's LGPL (free without having to give back).
I understand the desire to standardize on one desktop BUT feel a Gnome system, with no KDE support, does not really compete with the competition (Windows, OS-X, KDE, etc.). I appreciate the foundation may be better in some way, the app faster, etc. but if it does half of what I need a little faster or more elagantly it is still inadequate.
BUT, for me, the bottom line is my KDE users have been migrated easily and relatively painlessly and my Gnome users want their Windows back.
I've downloaded and tried using most new Amaya versions since 2.x. I *really* like the idea of browse/edit. But Amaya has consistently been schizophrenic; it is ahead of the curve on several aspects (standards like CSS, XHTML, SVG) and way, way behind the curve/competition on many other aspects. For a given page here and there it works very nicely but I have never been able to use it to browse to many modern sites that contain JavaScript, Java, etc. I think Amaya is a wonderful idea but ...
R.Parr
Temporal Arts
Where do you get $230? The entitlement may be $120 but the OS is, I think* $1500 (and is currently based on RH 7.x). It's more like you can get a two year old operating system for $1500 + 5*120 which Re d Had will support for 5 years (but which most other development has moved well beyone).
There have been quite a few project management apps which have been rolled over by MS Project and a few others. Maybe one of them? We sure need one. I haven't been able to find anything I could use to remove our dependency on MS Project. All I can find for Linux or Java are projects that are alpha, beta at best, and do not have enough features to even think of replacing MS Project.
You might check the boating magazines.
I have seen several system for keeping a boat connected both when moored and when moving.
R.Parr
Temporal Arts