Yes, because once the war was over and we occupied the country, we engaged in mass rape and murder, installed an authoritarian puppet government, and instituted an economy based on slave labor? Oh, we didn't? But that doesn't align nicely with my anti-US worldview.
I don't have an anti-US worldview but you have to admit that after seeing the damage nukes do the last thing you would want to do in any situation is use more nukes. The poster I first replied to wanted to nuke both South and North Korea, an act of ultimate insanity!
Killing vast numbers of a certain nationality or race is the very definition of genocide. Now I'm not saying it wasn't justified or that the US was the only side doing it but it was still genocide.
My original reply was against someone who advocated genocide against both South and North Korea, utter insanity! Because it was seen as anti-US it got hijacked.
I was replying to someone suggesting nuking both South and North Korea, likely because he didn't know the difference between them.
Apparently he believed it would be a more sensible course of action to wipe out two entire countries than look up the CIA world factbook and find out which one is hostile and which one is friendly. I believe the US is the only country to have ever used atomic bombs in wartime and after seeing the damage they did it would be best to never use them again, certainly not for some nonsense reason like Bill Gates funding research in one of the Korea's. Say what you like about Bill Gates but he is not going to be helping the North Koreans with atomic technology!
Why don't you tell that to the poster who suggested nuking South Korea for no reason whatsoever?
He literally wanted to genocide two entire countries just because he is too dumb to tell the difference between a friendly and a mildly hostile nation.
(mock rage mode on) Why is it that the punks in the Non-USA countries always get to work the "normal" hours and those in the USA have to be the ones getting up in the middle of the night to call the "foreigners" during their day? huh? HUH?
Strange, I noticed the exact opposite.
I've seen people working in the US calling at all hours like they don't actually understand there is a time difference.
While I may depise what the US/UK/Sweden are doing here, it's a stretch to say Ecuador is doing the right thing. If they're doing the right thing, but it's for the wrong reason, is it really the right thing?
Yes. Simple as that. The right thing done for the wrong reason is still the right thing.
I don't understand why people get all PMSey over advertising.
Personally I don't like people wasting my time telling me I should give them money for something I don't even want.
Avoiding adverts if like trying to not look at a bright light. You can train yourself to do it, you might not even know you are doing it, but it's still mental effort.
The UK is grossly unfair in its extradition process but it has one rule that it does stick to; It won't extradite where there is a chance of the person being extradited getting a death sentence. The UK is strongly against the death penalty.
It's not a logical fail to think the US would go to great lengths to get hold of this man just to send a clear message to the next person who might think of doing the same.
He won't get a death sentence. Most European countries will not extradite persons facing the death penalty. I'd be fairly confident that would include Sweden. If the USA extradited Assange and then executed him anyway, that would be the end of extraditions from almost everywhere in Europe to the USA.
The US does have a history of abducting people from Europe and torturing them. There were a few high profile incidents in the news a while back along with some outrage that various governments allowed this to happen. I'm not sure the US has killed any deportees, quite possibly not because once you kill a person you can't extract any information from them.
I don't know where you get off pretending this is some kind of ringing endorsement of Ecuador as a country - It's ironic, nothing more, nothing less. If I had the US government after me (A country which is acknowledged to have created secret CIA-run prisons and tortured people) I'd take help anywhere I could find it too.
Ecuador offered help to a likely future victim of the US torture machine. It may be ironic but it is an example of Ecuador doing the right thing. If countries would do the right thing more often the world would be a better place.
The foreign office sent a letter pointing out they have a legal route to arresting Julian in the embassy. It's not quite the same as threatening to sent the paratroopers in.
It's legal under UK law but not international law. The embassy isn't under UK law in the first place.
Marching into an embassy to abduct someone is an invasion in exactly the same way marching into a small town in any other country to abduct someone is also an invasion.
If I were wanted for extradition to go on trial for rape and I was confident that I would not receive a fair trial, you can bet your ass I wouldn't go.
He won't receive a rape trail at all, nevermind a fair one.
The rape charges will be dismissed and he will be sent on to the US for a mock trial, torture, and a death sentence.
No it isn't. No country should make deals with a criminal to get him to face justice.
If his suspected crime is rape he should expect to only be tried for rape.
What Sweden is attempting here isn't bringing a suspected criminal to justice, it's bringing a suspected criminal to a place where he will be abducted, tortured, and likely killed by a third party country that has no stake in the crime he is accused of.
He's saving his own arse and the fact that he's willing to give live in a fleepit 3rd world country to get away from justice tells me all I need to know about how he sees his guilt.
The UK isn't trying to send Assange to Sweden to be tried for rape, the UK is trying to send Assange to Sweden so he can be sent on to the US for torture and/or a death sentence. The UK will not send this man to his death directly but they will send him via Sweden so they can pretend they didn't know what was going to happen.
He may or may not have commited rape and if he did he deserves to be locked up for it, but that's not what's going to happen in any case. If he ends up in Sweden he will be deported to the US and face some kind of milatory trial, tourture, and death.
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Yes, because once the war was over and we occupied the country, we engaged in mass rape and murder, installed an authoritarian puppet government, and instituted an economy based on slave labor? Oh, we didn't? But that doesn't align nicely with my anti-US worldview.
I don't have an anti-US worldview but you have to admit that after seeing the damage nukes do the last thing you would want to do in any situation is use more nukes. The poster I first replied to wanted to nuke both South and North Korea, an act of ultimate insanity!
Killing vast numbers of a certain nationality or race is the very definition of genocide. Now I'm not saying it wasn't justified or that the US was the only side doing it but it was still genocide.
My original reply was against someone who advocated genocide against both South and North Korea, utter insanity! Because it was seen as anti-US it got hijacked.
I was replying to someone suggesting nuking both South and North Korea, likely because he didn't know the difference between them.
Apparently he believed it would be a more sensible course of action to wipe out two entire countries than look up the CIA world factbook and find out which one is hostile and which one is friendly. I believe the US is the only country to have ever used atomic bombs in wartime and after seeing the damage they did it would be best to never use them again, certainly not for some nonsense reason like Bill Gates funding research in one of the Korea's. Say what you like about Bill Gates but he is not going to be helping the North Koreans with atomic technology!
Why don't you tell that to the poster who suggested nuking South Korea for no reason whatsoever?
He literally wanted to genocide two entire countries just because he is too dumb to tell the difference between a friendly and a mildly hostile nation.
The time difference is always the vendor's problem - never the customer's.
Fair point but in my case both the caller and the called worked for the same multinational.
Of work, or attendance? The two are completely unrelated, work never exceeds 3 to 6 hours per day, and work is always less than attendance.
Well there you've gone and contradicted yourself. work and attendance aren't completely unrelated. Attendance is the upper bound of work.
He said 'work is always less than attendance'.
(mock rage mode on) Why is it that the punks in the Non-USA countries always get to work the "normal" hours and those in the USA have to be the ones getting up in the middle of the night to call the "foreigners" during their day? huh? HUH?
Strange, I noticed the exact opposite.
I've seen people working in the US calling at all hours like they don't actually understand there is a time difference.
You want to nuke everything all the time. What's wrong with you?
The US commited genocide twice with nukes, isn't that enough?
Honestly, when was the last time you got a blue screen of death? Honestly?
Years. They seem to have stopped right when I switched to Linux.
The question is moot. It's a fusion reactor. There will be unification when it's running!
The US does not recognize fusion, only blowing things apart.
Microsoft is working together with the North Koreans to kill us all! Give all my moneys to DHS and TSA!
South Korea.
South - good.
North - US says they I bad, I really don't know for sure though.
..How can THIS still be going on?
Newsflash - Countries break their own laws. Governments consider themselves above their own laws. Sweden is not the lone exception to this.
While I may depise what the US/UK/Sweden are doing here, it's a stretch to say Ecuador is doing the right thing. If they're doing the right thing, but it's for the wrong reason, is it really the right thing?
Yes. Simple as that. The right thing done for the wrong reason is still the right thing.
And Sweden is not?
Not so much they will disobey their paymasters, no.
I don't understand why people get all PMSey over advertising.
Personally I don't like people wasting my time telling me I should give them money for something I don't even want.
Avoiding adverts if like trying to not look at a bright light. You can train yourself to do it, you might not even know you are doing it, but it's still mental effort.
Where are the investigative journalists? Where are the mainstream influential investigative journalists?
Under the jack-boot of their government masters, as usual.
Press gag orders are not uncommon in the UK.
The UK is grossly unfair in its extradition process but it has one rule that it does stick to; It won't extradite where there is a chance of the person being extradited getting a death sentence. The UK is strongly against the death penalty.
That is why Sweden is involved in this.
He embarrassed the US by exposing various wrongs.
It's not a logical fail to think the US would go to great lengths to get hold of this man just to send a clear message to the next person who might think of doing the same.
He won't get a death sentence. Most European countries will not extradite persons facing the death penalty. I'd be fairly confident that would include Sweden. If the USA extradited Assange and then executed him anyway, that would be the end of extraditions from almost everywhere in Europe to the USA.
The US does have a history of abducting people from Europe and torturing them. There were a few high profile incidents in the news a while back along with some outrage that various governments allowed this to happen. I'm not sure the US has killed any deportees, quite possibly not because once you kill a person you can't extract any information from them.
I don't know where you get off pretending this is some kind of ringing endorsement of Ecuador as a country - It's ironic, nothing more, nothing less. If I had the US government after me (A country which is acknowledged to have created secret CIA-run prisons and tortured people) I'd take help anywhere I could find it too.
Ecuador offered help to a likely future victim of the US torture machine. It may be ironic but it is an example of Ecuador doing the right thing. If countries would do the right thing more often the world would be a better place.
Well done Ecuador!
The foreign office sent a letter pointing out they have a legal route to arresting Julian in the embassy. It's not quite the same as threatening to sent the paratroopers in.
It's legal under UK law but not international law. The embassy isn't under UK law in the first place.
Marching into an embassy to abduct someone is an invasion in exactly the same way marching into a small town in any other country to abduct someone is also an invasion.
If I were wanted for extradition to go on trial for rape and I was confident that I would not receive a fair trial, you can bet your ass I wouldn't go.
He won't receive a rape trail at all, nevermind a fair one.
The rape charges will be dismissed and he will be sent on to the US for a mock trial, torture, and a death sentence.
"That is the human rights violation"
No it isn't. No country should make deals with a criminal to get him to face justice.
If his suspected crime is rape he should expect to only be tried for rape.
What Sweden is attempting here isn't bringing a suspected criminal to justice, it's bringing a suspected criminal to a place where he will be abducted, tortured, and likely killed by a third party country that has no stake in the crime he is accused of.
He's saving his own arse and the fact that he's willing to give live in a fleepit 3rd world country to get away from justice tells me all I need to know about how he sees his guilt.
The UK isn't trying to send Assange to Sweden to be tried for rape, the UK is trying to send Assange to Sweden so he can be sent on to the US for torture and/or a death sentence. The UK will not send this man to his death directly but they will send him via Sweden so they can pretend they didn't know what was going to happen.
He may or may not have commited rape and if he did he deserves to be locked up for it, but that's not what's going to happen in any case. If he ends up in Sweden he will be deported to the US and face some kind of milatory trial, tourture, and death.