BitTorrent Tries To Appease Users By Making Torrent Ads Optional

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BitTorrent Tries To Appease Users By Making Torrent Ads Optional

Posted by timothy on Thursday August 16, 2012 @09:12AM from the readers-have-long-memories dept.

hypnosec writes "BitTorrent has backtracked on their stance that uTorrent ads cannot be 'turned off,' following a user revolt. They announced that users can opt-out of sponsored torrents if they don't wish to see them. Last weekend BitTorrent announced it would make uTorrent ad-enabled and that it would have a 'sponsored torrents' feature which couldn't be disabled. As one would have imagined, this didn't go over well with many users, and they let out their anger on the uTorrent forums. 'You seriously think that uTorrent is going to survive now? The Admin/Devs are seriously deluded. Pure greed has turned your once loved app into a bloated and buggy cash cow,' said one user."

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Torrents users are spoiled and ungrateful by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:14 · Score: 1, Insightful

Torrents users are spoiled and ungrateful. News at eleven.
1. Re:Torrents users are spoiled and ungrateful by Luckyo · 2012-08-16 18:08 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Torrent users are emotionally invested in one product in a very competitive field. Product makers figured they could screw torrent users over as if they had a monopoly. Torrent users reminded product makers that there are many competing products that are on par or better then their product, and that the only reason they're staying with their product is because of sentimental value. Product makers chickened out.
  Not entirely sure how you went from "vigilant customers" to "spoiled and ungrateful customers". Unless you're a type to whom these two are synonyms.
2. Re:Torrents users are spoiled and ungrateful by bluefoxlucid · 2012-08-17 00:32 · Score: 2
  
  Well, torrent users are obviously perceptive. Adding about 50 lines of code to add a display spot for an image, catch a click and call a URL launcher, and do a periodic network call to download ad packages (an image and an ad ID) sure bloats the hell out of software. I mean uTorrent only took what, 15 lines of bash to implement in the first place?
  
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3. Re:Torrents users are spoiled and ungrateful by bkcallahan · 2012-08-17 04:34 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, but which 15 lines from bash.org? I'm gonna toss in my vote in for "That's its default setting, you have to edit the registry" or "A common typo"
4. Re:Torrents users are spoiled and ungrateful by mcgrew · 2012-08-17 05:59 · Score: 2
  
  Product makers figured they could screw torrent users over as if they had a monopoly.
  Too many companies think this way, alas. Look at Sony, the Apple of the seventies and eighties. Now they think they're Microsoft and can root and vandalize paying customers' computers with XCP, remove features from a product the customer has already paid for, be sloppy with customer info, and wonder why they've been losing money lateley. Well DUH, idiots, you're not Microsoft. You're not even Apple any more.
  
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Kickstarter by Ginger+Unicorn · 2012-08-16 09:19 · Score: 5, Insightful

A better approach would be to set up a Kickstarter campaign outlining all the work that needs to be done and who needs to be paid for their efforts, and how much money it will take to support this for 6 months or 12 months or something. They would sail past their reqested amount long before the deadline. Vaguely similar to the humble bundle approach in a way.
They could make a big deal out of how this approach means they avoid needing advertising sponsors.

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1. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:32 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  The typical torrent user gets their content there because it's a more convenient, higher quality product, as well as free. IE, to avoid unskippable ads, DRM virus-infested always-on games, and the ability to use on any device they want with a minimum of bullshit. Torrent users also spend more on legal content than non-torrent users; not sure where you're getting your FUD.
  Not saying the price isn't part of the selling point, but when the only legal alternatives are ten years behind on quality and convenience how can you honestly expect people to pay more for it?
2. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:37 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Torrent users also spend more on legal content than non-torrent users;
  Legal fees and settlements don't count.
3. Re:Kickstarter by somersault · 2012-08-16 09:50 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know what you're using, but I find Spotify, Netflix, LoveFilm, and Steam way more convenient than torrenting. Their libraries aren't 100%, but they're pretty good. For the rest, I torrent or buy/rent stupid plastic discs..
  
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4. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:52 · Score: 0
  
  They need to free the code first... I really have to wonder though what is the value of this program? We have a million torrent apps. The FREE (as in freedom) one that comes bundled with my OS would seem more deserving of a contribution than uTorrent. On the other hand the BitTorrent developers (which appear might be the same) do deserve compensation for releasing the code under a free software license. If they don't get it or those in charge don't get it... someone needs to explain to them this mistake.
5. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:54 · Score: 0
  
  In other words, "I'm not willing to pay for my convenient higher quality product".
6. Re:Kickstarter by Ginger+Unicorn · 2012-08-16 10:28 · Score: 1
  
  This is true - I don't use uTorrent and had forgotten that it was proprietary. Perhaps Bram Cohen abandoning the Bittorrent reference implentation in order to work on uTorrent was the first step in him trying to figure out a way to monetize his work.
  A shame really, since now kickstater, indiegogo and humble have shown that the donation solicitation method seems to work out better for everyone involved.
  Especially for something as ubiquitous as bittorrent, which would have a vast number of donations. From a group of people who, despite popular presumptions, do actually carry a large contingent of people eager to demonstrate their gratitude for other people's work, but aren't prepared to be ripped off, spied on, lied to, controlled, manipulated and generally fucked over as part of the deal.
  
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7. Re:Kickstarter by SinGunner · 2012-08-16 10:30 · Score: 1
  
  You do know Penny Arcade just did this, and that the results were very mixed.
8. Re:Kickstarter by pegasustonans · 2012-08-16 10:33 · Score: 1
  
  A better approach would be to set up a Kickstarter campaign outlining all the work that needs to be done and who needs to be paid for their efforts, and how much money it will take to support this for 6 months or 12 months or something. They would sail past their reqested amount long before the deadline. Vaguely similar to the humble bundle approach in a way.
  They could make a big deal out of how this approach means they avoid needing advertising sponsors.
  The best bet for this kind of thing would probably be to rope in some reputable names to start a foundation and create a Kickstarter fund. Rules for a foundation can be laid on the table up-front, and potential corporate or individual investors can have a little more assurance that it's just not one guy who would take the money and run.
  The barriers you would cross don't have to do with Kickstarter not being a great resource to start a new open torrent client, but, rather, convincing people your project won't just disappear into smoke in a year or two.
  
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9. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 10:51 · Score: 0
  
  You mean kind of like how 8 balls and hookers don't count as loses due to piracy?
10. Re:Kickstarter by cpu6502 · 2012-08-16 11:16 · Score: 1
  
  Link please. Penny Arcade didn't reach their funding goal?
  
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11. Re:Kickstarter by cpu6502 · 2012-08-16 11:22 · Score: 2
  
  Unfortunately none of these places let me playback at 2x or 1.5x speed. Only a torrent download which I can play in MS-media player or VLC lets me do that. Plus finding torrents isn't hard. I've got a site that has every current movie and tv show, and what few items they don't have, you can request. (For example: Megaupload went down when I was watching One Tree Hill S1... so I requested the torrent and it was filled in a week).
  
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12. Re:Kickstarter by cpu6502 · 2012-08-16 11:28 · Score: 1
  
  If I am spending money I will "donate" it to the DVD Store and support the artists, writers, cameramen, actors, engineers, and so forth that created the movie or show directly.
  Not utorrent or websites. (Yes I know I'll get modded down for that opinion... oh well. I don't change my mind just because of karma-threats.)
  
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13. Re:Kickstarter by SinGunner · 2012-08-16 11:37 · Score: 1
  
  They reached several funding goals, but they were not able to eliminate all advertising (their stated goal). The ultimate impact of their KS campaign remains to be seen.
14. Re:Kickstarter by icebraining · 2012-08-16 11:41 · Score: 1
  
  Unfortunately, at least the first two don't work for 90% of the world population, including my (European) country. So yeah, it'd be more convenient, if it existed at all.
  
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15. Re:Kickstarter by Jafafa+Hots · 2012-08-16 13:45 · Score: 1
  
  Why do you play back at those speeds?
  Not questioning your use, I use VLC too. Just wondering what your application is, etc.
  What I like about VLC is the number of ways you can easily correct for fucked-up and badly transferred video. Resynch audio, brighten videos, change subtitle position and font, etc. That and the fact that it will play anything you throw at it without installing buggy or virus-laden "codec packs."
  
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16. Re:Kickstarter by Shining+Celebi · 2012-08-16 14:23 · Score: 1
  
  I play back at 1.5x simply because you barely notice the difference when you get used to it, and you save that much time. 2x is stretching it, but depending on the show, and what's happening, it's doable.
17. Re:Kickstarter by brit74 · 2012-08-16 15:46 · Score: 1
  
  A better approach would be to set up a Kickstarter campaign outlining all the work that needs to be done and who needs to be paid for their efforts
  I assume you mean all the creators who should be getting paid for their work, rather than get ripped off by torrents? Ohhhhhh - you mean the middle-man torrent app creator who has done jack-shit compared to all the works they're helping people steal? Yeahhhhh, those people need to be supported.
18. Re:Kickstarter by brit74 · 2012-08-16 15:49 · Score: 1
  
  Torrent users also spend more on legal content than non-torrent users; not sure where you're getting your FUD.
  I never believe those claims. When I look at the biggest pirates I know, and they say things like "why are you paying for stuff you can get for free on the internet?" it's just a little hard to believe that they pay for anything.
19. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 16:12 · Score: 0
  
  They achieved the $525,000 "remove all ads from the comic" goal(which was double their minimum to remove just the annoying ads).
  They did not reach the $999,999 goal of "no ads on the forums or anywhere else" goal, but that is hardly "failing". Nobody is going to pay utorrent over half a mill to remove those ads for 12 months, let alone cosplay up some dude as an anime princess.
  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pennyarcade/penny-arcade-sells-out
20. Re:Kickstarter by brit74 · 2012-08-16 16:15 · Score: 1
  
  The typical torrent user gets their content there because it's a more convenient, higher quality product, as well as free. IE, to avoid unskippable ads, DRM virus-infested always-on games, and the ability to use on any device they want with a minimum of bullshit.
  All the software that's DRM free gets pirated like crazy. There's literally no benefit to having the pirated version over the official version except not having to pay for it, yet it still gets pirated. Why do you think the Humble Indie Bundle gets pirated? I wish pirates would just straight-up admit that "having to pay" is the number one issue and if creators did all these things you suggest (stuff that pirates use as excuses for their behavior) they still wouldn't slow down their pirating-ways.
21. Re:Kickstarter by 0111+1110 · 2012-08-16 16:21 · Score: 1
  
  But is it really mutually exclusive? Assuming you have sufficient funds you can reward the movie industry by buying a bluray that you like and reward the writer of a clever program that you like.
  I don't happen to think utorrent is all that special. I just used it out of habit and convenience. I started out using Azureus and still think it is a superior program despite its bloated and slow reliance on Java instead of c.
  Of course some will make the argument that if you buy a DVD or Bluray you should buy it used so as not to directly support the evil that is the MPAA buying laws left and right and attempting various assaults on personal liberty in order to accomplish their goal of making as much money as possible in any way possible or world domination or whatever is in their evil brains. I am sympathetic with this argument, but haven't had the greatest luck in buying used media.
  
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22. Re:Kickstarter by jimbo · 2012-08-16 17:22 · Score: 1
  
  Unfortunately Netflix in Canada has got buggerall. It didn't have any of the movies I've searched for so far. As a matter of fact many were missing from US Netflix as well.
  But yeah, I'm probably a bit unusual.
23. Re:Kickstarter by LingNoi · 2012-08-16 17:52 · Score: 1
  
  Both NetFlix and LoveFilm aren't available in my country I'd pay for either maybe both if they were.
24. Re:Kickstarter by 0111+1110 · 2012-08-16 18:09 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Do all people in the world have to have the same motivation in your world view? Some pirates download stuff because it's free. Some download stuff because it's convenient and would be willing to buy content with an equally convenient system. This is why iTunes and other similar systems are profitable despite the availability of the same content for free elsewhere, often in higher quality forms. The same person can have different motives depending on the content.
  I typically buy blurays that I like when they go on sale and cost somewhere in the $10 - $15 range. I only do this however after I have watched the movie and like it enough to watch again. I don't actually own a television or bluray player. So in order to watch my purchased content I have to run AnyDVD HD and rip the disc to an MKV file with the help of Eac3to and other programs. Of course if/when the DRM gets sufficiently good to prevent ripping I will not buy content at all. This is what happened with software a decade ago. If you prevent me from making backup copies you also permanently lose me as a customer. For every movie that I purchase there is always a corresponding download that prompted the purchase. I can't speak for everyone, but if the industry manages to somehow stop all illegal downloads they will lose at least this customer. I don't watch films in the cinema at all anymore because most theatres are using video projectors now anyway. So the quality difference between video and projection is no longer significant and I avoid all the rude people that prompted the killing in Bobcat Goldthwait's excellent God Bless America. I've always wanted to do something like that, but instead I just wait for the bluray torrent releases and stay away from the cinema.
  As far as software goes I also use torrents for try-before-you-buy, but I refuse to encourage DRM, especially the insanely intrusive stuff around nowadays with limited installs and internet connection requirements. I refuse to give 1 cent to a publisher that does that. So I almost never buy anymore. My last software purchase was around the turn of the century when most "copy protection" consisted of CD keys or whatever. When the DRM became sufficiently advanced to thwart me in making a backup copy sometime around the new millenium that was the last straw. Now I only buy software if it is 100% DRM free and I like it and can afford it. Which means I almost never buy software anymore. I will nearly always contribute to promising kickstarter/indiegogo software projects however.
  As far as music goes, I do tend to buy CDs from artists that I like. The RIAA is even more evil than the MPAA and I don't like to reward the record companies. So I try to buy used whenever possible. My taste in music is sufficiently narrow that this is a rare occurrence.
  For books I support my favorite authors by buying the paper version in hardcover as soon as it is released. I don't buy ebooks however. I believe they are overpriced and I won't support price gouging. Although this is also something of a middleman issue. If all of my money or even most of it went directly to the author I might be willing to buy both the paper and electronic version. I'd like to see authors experiment with kickstarter to cut out the fat middleman. Although direct sales through Amazon also seem viable for ebooks.
  So there you have it. The actual thought process for one individual pirate. There are no doubt millions of variations.
  
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25. Re:Kickstarter by lister+king+of+smeg · 2012-08-16 18:40 · Score: 1
  
  or the higher quality product is not available legally.
  
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26. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 18:44 · Score: 0
  
  Jesus you are full of bullshit. 10 years behind in quality? Virus-infested?
  People like you just want to ride the train for free and justify it with every means possible.
27. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 18:53 · Score: 0
  
  Torrent users also spend more on legal content than non-torrent users; not sure where you're getting your FUD.
  I never believe those claims. When I look at the biggest pirates I know...
  
  I never believe those claims. When I look at a specific subset of pirates...
  FTFY
  Of course the biggest pirates don't pay for anything - they're the biggest pirates BECAUSE they don't pay for anything. They're by no means a majority.
28. Re:Kickstarter by Ginger+Unicorn · 2012-08-16 20:28 · Score: 2
  
  In return for the money you give the dvd store, you receive a physically vulnerable DRM encumbered copy of the movie, complete with non-skippable insulting threat that for some reason the person that has gone to the trouble of paying for the movie in the manner the MPAA desires has to sit through.
  Also the vast proportion of the money you've given to support the creative people actually gets wasted on a totally superfluous supply chain from the unneccesary dvd store (although if people want to pay extra for a local outlet that is obviously a personal preference) right up to the handful of visionless, greedy moneymen that dictate on a whim which ideas get to flourish, and not least their parasitic lawyers which they use to intimidate and persecute random people to use as examples to try and keep everyone else in line.
  Personally, I'd prefer to donate to a kickstarter to bankroll a project, or contribute to a humble style "pay what you think we're worth" system or some other inventive way of rewarding the creative people and the minimal infrastructure needed to actually deliver the media.
  That having been said, I do pay £15 per month for an unlimited cinema ticket, and it really pisses me off that my local cinema receives nothing from it's ticket sales. So I feel I need to make a point of buying their necessarily overpriced sweets and drinks everytime I go in there. I'm more than happy to reward the people that are genuinely necessary to the process of entertaining us. I strongly resent the inefficent gravy train that it's mandatory to fund and the parasitic, dictatorial oligarchs that bully and litigate to prop up their anachronistic business model.
  
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29. Re:Kickstarter by RaceProUK · 2012-08-16 23:50 · Score: 1
  
  Torrent users also spend more on legal content than non-torrent users;
  Legal fees and settlements don't count.
  If it wasn't for torrenting, my (100% legit purchased) DVD collection would be half its current size.
  
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30. Re:Kickstarter by RaceProUK · 2012-08-16 23:53 · Score: 1
  
  Torrent users also spend more on legal content than non-torrent users; not sure where you're getting your FUD.
  I never believe those claims.
  Posted this above already, but I legally own twice the DVDs I would otherwise because of torrenting.
  
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31. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 00:17 · Score: 0
  
  > Torrent users also spend more on legal content
  Citation please. Interestingly I did a google search for this assertion and your post was the first hit.
  I do remember reading an article that people that pirated music paid, on average, more than those that don't... but this doesn't extend to "torrent users".
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/illegal-downloaders-spend-the-most-on-music-says-poll-1812776.html
  Also, that was a poll with responders self reporting their behaviour, which I'm skeptical of as it could report skewed statistics. Especially if the "how much do you spend?" question immediately follows "do you pirate music?".
32. Re:Kickstarter by allo · 2012-08-17 00:39 · Score: 1
  
  > The typical torrent
  no, the typical torrent user would not have a problem with DRM, if the content itself would be free of cost. The typical torrent user just wants to get content for free.
  Of course, nerds like us have other motivations, but the majority of torrent users is not nerds anymore.
33. Re:Kickstarter by allo · 2012-08-17 00:40 · Score: 1
  
  and why should a webcomic be worth 1 million? Other people work hard all day and do not get a fraction of this.
34. Re:Kickstarter by SwedishPenguin · 2012-08-17 01:02 · Score: 1
  
  I pay for Spotify, but I have yet to find anything that can even remotely compete with torrents for TV-shows and movies in terms of breadth of selection, quick delivery, zero ads and native Linux support without resorting to Flash or some such crap.
35. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 02:12 · Score: 0
  
  You should torrent an explanation of anecdote.
36. Re:Kickstarter by RaceProUK · 2012-08-17 02:19 · Score: 1
  
  Did I say I was representative of the general public? Or did I offer a single counter-example to show it's not all FUD? I'll give you a hint: the answers follow the same pattern as 'do you want a bullet to the groin' and 'do you want free money'.
  
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37. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 02:41 · Score: 0
  
  You don't read easily, do you?
  
  Torrent users also spend more on legal content than non-torrent users
  Is a claim about the aggregate. It doesn't mean you specifically and your behavior as an individual cannot invalidate the claim. Because the claim is about the aggregate.
  My new suggestion is you torrent a book about hypothesis testing as a prerequisite for the anecdote content.
38. Re:Kickstarter by RaceProUK · 2012-08-17 02:47 · Score: 1
  
  *calls to /. crowd*
  Hey you guys! I've just found a douchebag! Let's all laugh at the fact he thinks a single counter-example is an attempt at proof!
  
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39. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 02:48 · Score: 0
  
  Because that's how much they make in ad money now?
40. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 02:58 · Score: 0
  
  The typical torrent user gets their content there because it's a more more free, free, free, free, free, a higher quality product, as well as free.
  FTFY.
  You are way underselling the motivations of the Entitled Generation.
41. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 03:48 · Score: 0
  
  You aren't supporting them because, with the exception of royalties and a cut of BO revenue for the leading actors, they were already paid before the movie premiered. Do you honestly buy the MPAA line that stuntmen and lighting techs don't get paid until you buy a ticket at the theatre?
42. Re:Kickstarter by mcgrew · 2012-08-17 04:00 · Score: 2
  
  I assume you mean all the creators who should be getting paid for their work, rather than get ripped off by torrents?
  Right now I'm torrenting four different Linux distros, the movie A New Pirkinning (the free Finnish Star Trek/Babylon V parody), and the book I wrote. Your fisrt mistake is assuming BT is only for piracy.
  The fact is, piracy doesn't cost the artist at all, it actually earns him money unless he's already famous. Nobody ever went broke from piracy, but many artists have starved from obscurity. Study after study shows that piracy increases sales, and music pirates spend more buying music than non-pirates. You're arguing against peer-reviewed research, son.
  Cory Doctorow credits his status as a NYT best seller to the fact that he gives his books away for free at boingboing. Roger McGuinn of the old '60s band "The Byrds" credits the old outlawed Napster for his career's ressurection, because it brought his music to a new generation of music lovers.
  Sorry, kid, but you're deluded. The only artists that are hurt by paracy are the ones that suck; the ones that may have one good song out of twenty. If piracy hurt artists, then all the free movies, books, and CDs at the library would have been harming publishers for hundreds of years. If not fo rthe public library I would not now have two dozen Asimov titles on my bookshelf.
  Bittorrent and the internet itself is the public library for the 21st century. Only fools fear it.
  
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43. Re:Kickstarter by pixelpusher220 · 2012-08-17 04:45 · Score: 1
  
  Do note that if you're only subscribed to Netflix streaming they purposely don't show you results that exist for DVD subscribers and ditto for the reverse. If you have both then you'll get everything returned.
  
  Personally I think this was because streaming only customers were being shown just how little is available on streaming compared to DVDs and they didn't want people to know that.
  
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44. Re:Kickstarter by cpu6502 · 2012-08-17 04:46 · Score: 1
  
  >>>haven't had the greatest luck in buying used media.
  By the items that say "Like New" and if it arrives in new condition all is good, but if it arrives damaged/scratched then you can get a refund (or 50% off refund) and keep the disc. Paypal and Amazon Buyer protection are excellent & they have zero tolerance for sellers advertising "like new" goods and then selling damaged stuff.
  
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45. Re:Kickstarter by pixelpusher220 · 2012-08-17 04:46 · Score: 1
  
  now now, Crap would like to protest. Sure it isn't fun at parties, but it's not like it's Flash now...
  
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46. Re:Kickstarter by pixelpusher220 · 2012-08-17 04:48 · Score: 1
  
  Ask Louie C. K. how his DRM Free special did...hint he made millions off of it. He specifically said, it's DRM free, but please buy it from me...and you know what? People did. Because it was worth it.
  
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47. Re:Kickstarter by cpu6502 · 2012-08-17 04:52 · Score: 1
  
  >>>Why do you play back at those speeds?
  Movies are boring. Many times it's a plot I've seen before (done in the 1930s, then again in the 60s, and 90s, and now today) so I don't lose anything by watching at 2x speed.
  Same with Sci-Fi shows which more and more rehash the same plots. The only shows I watch at 1x speed are comedies (timing matters) and foreign language (it's hard to understand the accent sometimes).
  
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48. Re:Kickstarter by cpu6502 · 2012-08-17 04:57 · Score: 1
  
  >>>You aren't supporting them because, with the exception of royalties and a cut of BO revenue for the leading actors, they were already paid before the movie premiered.
  The actors, producers (think JMS of Babylon5), and writers (Neil Geiman, Harlan Ellison, etc) are not entitled to get paid royalties (several thousand dollars) for the DVDs sold, rebroadcasts on television, et cetera??? You think you should just take their creation & deprive them of their pay? Interesting.
  
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49. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 05:13 · Score: 0
  
  I think you responded to the wrong post. I never said any such thing.
  I said they don't get royalties. I made no claim as to whether or not I think they should get royalties. I also said nothing about feeling entitled to simply take the content, merely that your "donation" will not make it back to those people who were already paid a lump sum and do not receive royalties.
  Do try to pay better attention to the post you are responding to in the future.
50. Re:Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 06:28 · Score: 0
  
  I hate this argument. Who the hell still owns physical media? I have never bought a DVD in my entire life. I've recieved a few as gifts. I torrent all media, never pay for anything, and have no moral issues with it.
  What I do spend money on is the hardware that connects to my TV and plays the files. First a popcorn hour, now a google TV.
51. Re:Kickstarter by mcgrew · 2012-08-17 07:23 · Score: 1
  
  Torrent users also spend more on legal content than non-torrent users; not sure where you're getting your FUD.
  I never believe those claims. When I look at the biggest pirates I know, and they say things like "why are you paying for stuff you can get for free on the internet?" it's just a little hard to believe that they pay for anything.
  You do realize that the few pirates you know are only a tiny subset of pirates, right? There have been a lot of studies done, and they all say pirates spend more than non-pirates. Your friends are outliers.
  
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52. Re:Kickstarter by Ginger+Unicorn · 2012-08-17 22:08 · Score: 1
  
  Should doesn't apply in a free market. In terms of money, things/people are worth whatever people are prepared to pay for them. I agree that people who work hard all day often deserve much more rewards than they receive. The only way people are going to be paid more to do shitty jobs is if the general population are vastly better educated, so that they need a financial incentive to do the crappy jobs. This would also create a cost motivation to put more r&d into automation of shitty jobs, so that no one has to do them. As long as there are people who have no choice but to do the shitty jobs, they will never be paid more than they need to subsist.
  
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53. Re:Kickstarter by allo · 2012-08-17 22:13 · Score: 1
  
  yeah, but when they say "we do it only for one million", the answer can be "okay, then do not do it".
54. Re:Kickstarter by Ginger+Unicorn · 2012-08-17 22:44 · Score: 1
  
  Bittorrent wasn't designed for the purpose of helping people to avoid paying for media. It is an incredibly powerful distribution channel, and used for a lot of valued and important purposes apart from subverting copyright controls.
  
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55. Re:Kickstarter by Ginger+Unicorn · 2012-08-17 23:11 · Score: 1
  
  Your wish is unlikely to be fulfilled, because the only people who are going to respond to this accusation are the people who feel slighted by it, i.e., the people whose reason for pirating isn't just "having to pay".
  The humble bundle is a poor example for your argument, since "having to pay" doesn't really apply to something that nominally costs one penny. There is an interesting analysis of that phenomenon and possible motivations for the people who obtained the games without paying.. Of particular interest is how little it seems to matter to creators that it's happening, and the recognition of the possibility of reaping recommendations from those that didn't pay that can induce further sales.
  
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56. Re:Kickstarter by Ginger+Unicorn · 2012-08-17 23:18 · Score: 1
  
  And then you don't have anyone to do it, so you have to come to a figure that everyone is happy with. As it stands at the moment, you can always find someone desperate enough to be taken advantage of, because there is a large pool of people who are incapable of doing anything better.
  
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Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:19 · Score: 5, Insightful

Or use any of the multitude of other clients.
I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by Revotron · 2012-08-16 09:20 · Score: 5, Insightful

It's not like BitTorrent is a widely-known standardized protocol with a handful of existing open-source clients...

...Oh. Wait.
1. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by rabtech · 2012-08-16 09:56 · Score: 0
  
  It's not like BitTorrent is a widely-known standardized protocol with a handful of existing open-source clients...
  
  So how exactly is BitTorrent supposed to survive (as a company) and continue improving the software?
  There has to be some path to monetization. If you aren't paying for a product then you are the product, (being sold to marketers).
  I've gotten to the point where I won't rely on anything offered for free because then you're just one corporate re-org, acquisition, etc away from being booted out in the cold. And who could blame people for wanting to eat or earn a living? They don't owe you anything.
  I think their big mistake is not offering an ad-free experience for a small fee... then people can support further development whichever way they want.
  
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2. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · 2012-08-16 10:01 · Score: 2
  
  Its not up to me to figure out their buisness plan. If they die, they die.
  
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3. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 10:04 · Score: 1
  
  There has to be a path to monetization for a COMPANY to survive, but not for the BitTorrent protocol to keep going. Users are unlikely to care if the company that provides uTorrent goes under, because there are, as has been said already, numerous alternatives that were never intended as business ventures in the first place - Transmission, for example. BT itself is not dependent on money, only usage. "Survival," in its case, is not tied to profitability, but rather relevance.
4. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by ceoyoyo · 2012-08-16 10:44 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  How is TCP supposed to survive, as a company and... Oh, wait.
5. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 10:45 · Score: 0
  
  Other torrent clients manage just fine without this (rtorrent, transmission etc). Also they already make millions a year from it. This is just greed.
6. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by TubeSteak · 2012-08-16 11:01 · Score: 1
  
  Remember when AOL bought Nullsoft and released Winamp 3.0?
  This is almost exactly the same story, but BitTorrent Inc. also thought including advertising would be a good idea.
  People are passionate about the tools they interact with every day.
  
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7. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 11:15 · Score: 0
  
  Or you could, you know, contribute time and effort to make some open source software better. Money is not the only way to give back. In fact, a good many of us who contribute to open source software have day jobs to support ourselves. Hacking is a labor of love. It is about giving back to the community that has helped you. It is about growing your tech chops and having pride in your work. A few get paid but many of us don't. And we still do it anyway. So if you can't find a way to get paid for your work, you can get a day job like the rest of us and hack for fun. But I guarantee you that it pisses us off when you spit in our faces with mandatory advertising. (N.B.: rtorrent for the win!)
8. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by cpu6502 · 2012-08-16 11:36 · Score: 1
  
  >>>I've gotten to the point where I won't rely on anything offered for free because then you're just one corporate re-org, acquisition, etc away from being booted out in the cold.
  (shrug). Not the first time I had to abandon ship for a different offering. Just looking at my online connection: First I had RUNterm (I had to type it from the magazine but it still cost $0.00). Then I had changed computers, and had to learn the commands for JRterm. Then AmigaMosaic in 93. Then Netscape in 95. Then Firefox in 2006 or so. And most recently Opera (because FF stopped looking/acting like FF).
  Despite the headache I'd still rather have free then suck thousands of dollars from my wallet buying software (money that could be used for more-useful things like Christmas presents for the kids) (or more frequent flights home).
  
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9. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by cdrnet · 2012-08-16 12:09 · Score: 2
  
  "Current annual revenue is estimated at somewhere between $15 and $20 million and the company is backed by millions in venture capital."
  http://torrentfreak.com/utorrent-becomes-ad-supported-to-rake-in-millions-120810/
  So unless TF got their numbers wrong, this is not at all about surviving - they do very well already.
10. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by thegarbz · 2012-08-16 12:19 · Score: 1
  
  YOU BASTARD...
  I.... I.... I....
  *curls up in the fetal position in the corner of the room sobbing*.
11. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by dhaines · 2012-08-16 15:54 · Score: 1
  
  >>>I've gotten to the point where I won't rely on anything offered for free because then you're just one corporate re-org, acquisition, etc away from being booted out in the cold.
  Reminds me... Anyone have some AOL discs they could send? I only have 9,000 hours left.
12. Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! by VortexCortex · 2012-08-16 19:14 · Score: 1
  
  All things end, but Protocols live forever.
Grovel before us by RHoltslander · 2012-08-16 09:21 · Score: 2

We refuse to be appeased under any circumstances. We will stand aloof and BitTorrent must grovel.
Or pay for... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:22 · Score: 0, Flamebait

your porn/movies/music instead of leeching off of society.
1. Re:Or pay for... by bbecker23 · 2012-08-16 09:32 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  *continues seeding the ArchLinux iso*
  
  Pay for your what now?
  
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2. Re:Or pay for... by serviscope_minor · 2012-08-16 09:41 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  *continues seeding the ArchLinux iso*
  You goddam thief. You've not just stolen a stolen a sale from an honest hard working corporation, but you've probably enabled the theft of thoudands of sales. I don't know how you can sleep at night when you steal so much from honest corportations working hard to make quality proprietary operating systems. I know your type. Next you'll be killing babies.
  
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3. Re:Or pay for... by TheGratefulNet · 2012-08-16 09:46 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Next you'll be killing babies
  or puppies:
  # rm -f puppylinux.iso
  
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4. Re:Or pay for... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 10:00 · Score: 1
  
  Let's see, what have I used bittorent for lately?
  Archlinux ISO
  Ubuntu ISO
  Overgrowth Alpha
  Oh yea, ALL OF THE HUMBLE INDIE BUNDLE GAMES
5. Re:Or pay for... by Nadaka · 2012-08-16 10:12 · Score: 1
  
  I've also torrented libreoffice,
  and my ratio for the last few releases of eclipse is over 200/1
6. Re:Or pay for... by geekoid · 2012-08-16 12:30 · Score: 1
  
  The bit torrent software.
  
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7. Re:Or pay for... by LingNoi · 2012-08-16 17:58 · Score: 1
  
  Loads of stuff uses bit torrent, sure it's mainly used for piracy but that just speaks to how great the protocol is. You could say the very same thing about TCP.
Misread the line.. by Jharish · 2012-08-16 09:34 · Score: 1

..."bloated and buggy cash cow"
as
bloated and buggy CRASH cow.
A crash cow is a great new name for a buggy piece of software.
free = you are the product being sold by hierophanta · 2012-08-16 09:39 · Score: 5, Insightful

nowadays "free" all too often means you are the product being sold.
1. Re:free = you are the product being sold by TheGratefulNet · 2012-08-16 09:44 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  "its free, stop complaining".
  no. because I am not paying cash money for something does NOT mean its free.
  "hey, I just have to give my email and fill out this survey and I get $10!"
  its also not free.
  people, please learn what you give up for so-called 'free things'.
  
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2. Re:free = you are the product being sold by cpu6502 · 2012-08-16 11:54 · Score: 2
  
  30 seconds per ad. About 3-4 minutes per TV episode (on hulu). Not a big deal since I usually don't watch the ad anyway but instead flip to another tab, or glance at the magazine in my lap, or glance over at TV #2.
  
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3. Re:free = you are the product being sold by geekoid · 2012-08-16 12:36 · Score: 1
  
  no. It means a piece of information about you is. Stop being melodramatic.
  And what's wrong with exchange an email address in exchange for something?
  You also imply, possible unintentionally, that paying for something mean you aren't the product.
  
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4. Re:free = you are the product being sold by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 12:57 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  If every human on earth already understood it, the practice wouldn't be effective.
5. Re:free = you are the product being sold by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 12:58 · Score: 1
  
  I'm going with: "The use of your bandwidth for something else" and "Staying healthy and not getting a ton of weird diseases from dumpster food."
6. Re:free = you are the product being sold by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 13:14 · Score: 0
  
  Caring and understanding are two different things.
7. Re:free = you are the product being sold by Beardo+the+Bearded · 2012-08-16 13:57 · Score: 1
  
  So, what did I give up when I downloaded linux for free? what did I give up when I got a free sandwich?
  You've spent hours configuring and tweaking and getting drivers to work properly, when in all reality your dumb-ass Windows shovelware computer would have been enough to post on /.
  Sent from my Ubuntu netbook on "free" public wifi.
  
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8. Re:free = you are the product being sold by Altrag · 2012-08-16 14:59 · Score: 1
  
  And what's wrong with exchange an email address in exchange for something?
  Nothing. Except that's rarely what you're exchanging.
  Usually you're exchanging years of having to filter spam from your inbox for that something.
  And its even nastier when the offering entity doesn't directly link the two. "Enter your email address to claim your free something!" They make it sound as if its a gift, when its actually an exchange. Shady. Commonplace by now and most people expect it, but still shady.
9. Re:free = you are the product being sold by CodeBuster · 2012-08-16 15:17 · Score: 1
  
  people, please learn what you give up for so-called 'free things'.
  People are free to be as stupid as they want to be. The way I see it, such people are the rightful prey of the shysters running these schemes.
10. Re:free = you are the product being sold by lister+king+of+smeg · 2012-08-16 18:34 · Score: 1
  
  not if you are talking RMS Free.
  
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11. Re:free = you are the product being sold by lister+king+of+smeg · 2012-08-16 18:37 · Score: 1
  
  thats why you use a disposable email account let them spam a dead address
  
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12. Re:free = you are the product being sold by hierophanta · 2012-08-17 07:03 · Score: 1
  
  you gave up your unbiased opinion - companies do want to bias your opinion towards them: it is to their great advantage. there is a term 'loss leader' that applies here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader from wikipedia - A loss leader, or simply a leader,[1] is a product sold at a low price, at or below its market cost[2] to stimulate other sales of more profitable goods or services.
Making money with stolen goods? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:40 · Score: 0

That is how the Studios will see it.
You use links to copyrighted material theft to benefit financially by ad revenue.
They will BURN bad.
uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by Freddybear · 2012-08-16 09:41 · Score: 4, Insightful

Besides the increasingly intrusive ads, uTorrent 3.x.x just sucks. It randomly consumes 100% of one cpu core and is highly unpredictable on bandwidth usage when downloading. I'm sticking with 2.2.1 until hell freezes over.
1. Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:54 · Score: 0
  
  For those that need it. http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7001277/uTorrent_v2.2.1.25302_-_DHT_Patched_CUE
2. Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 10:34 · Score: 0
  
  Still using 1.5.11 on Mac OS X.
3. Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by cpu6502 · 2012-08-16 11:42 · Score: 1
  
  3.x seems to work fine on my laptop, and all it has is ~354 meg of RAM and a P3 processor. So does 2.2.1 support PirateBay's magnet links?
  Oh and can someone link me to the PirateBay file that holds all their magnet links?
  
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4. Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by blahplusplus · 2012-08-16 11:58 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Just for those who don't know you can find old versions of programs at...
  http://www.oldversion.com/
5. Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 12:32 · Score: 0
  
  Yup. It supports magnet links. You can get it at the website listed on the brother to your post or try filehippo.
6. Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 14:56 · Score: 0
  
  Agreed- at one time uTorrent was the best. I used to use it on the Mac. But I let it keep updating, and it updated itself into a worse application. So I looked at the list of torrent clients used in the peers list and found a better one. That was the ad that affected me.
7. Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by sqrt(2) · 2012-08-16 16:25 · Score: 1
  
  Use Transmission on the Mac, or Deluge on Windows. Both are open source. A torrent client, more than other types of programs, needs to be open source for security reasons. I won't risk an entertainment industry backdoor.
  
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8. Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by jimbo · 2012-08-16 17:32 · Score: 1
  
  Actually I've recently discovered Transmission-qt for windows. Turned out to be pretty nice.
9. Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by Vegan+Cyclist · 2012-08-16 19:49 · Score: 1
  
  Question when oldversioning - i have a bunch of torrents that i'm saving for a rainy day in the queue, if i go back to 2.2.1, will it still retain that database? Or will they all go missing...? Can i have two versions of uTorrent? TIA!
10. Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW by blahplusplus · 2012-08-16 21:21 · Score: 1
  
  Can't say I've never switched, what you can do is install the new version into a new directory and/or backup the old database go check their forums/go ask around.
Switch to Deluge by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:42 · Score: 1

It's pretty nice. You setup a master somewhere in your house and then you slave your other computers to it. Then you can access the files via Windows shares on the master box.
There must be a way to pirate this, right? by cornicefire · 2012-08-16 09:46 · Score: 1

I feel bad about pirating some software and music, but it seems much less bad to pirate some BitTorrent code, right? And by pirate, I mean installing some ad-blocking software so I don't need to watch their crazy ads and waste some bandwidth on the ads when that bandwidth could be torrenting even more content.
sure I'll pay creative works by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 09:46 · Score: 2, Insightful

I'll happily pay the original creators and people who worked on something for their efforts
But I won't pay any IP "owners" who aren't the original creators
And I won't pay for marketing since I can find out about stuff myself
And I won't pay the compensation of executives or board members or investors or dividends for stockholders since they had nothing to do with the creation process
And I won't pay for packaging, distribution, or retail markup since duplicating and transporting the data is effectively a cost-free process
And I won't pay for anything older than ~10 years since if the original creator hasn't made their money in 10 years they never will (the exception being games older than 10 years which are updated to run on newer hardware without emulation, but not for the original 10 year old game)
And I won't pay for anything that I already purchased
1. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by neminem · 2012-08-16 10:05 · Score: 1
  
  I disagree with your penultimate statement. I am quite happy to pay the original creators for work I enjoyed regardless of how old it, or they, happen to be. I see no reason to make that distinction. (Though I would be less likely to feel the need to pay for something a hundred years old so the creator's grandkid could live a life of leisure off his brilliant dad granddad's work.)
  Games are different, in my view, only because they're quite frequently true abandonware - I feel even less guilty pirating things than normal, if the thing only gives me the choice between pirating and nothing, the original legal content not even being available for purchase.
  I agree completely with the rest of your statements. I pirate most of my tv, but almost none of my books or music. Why? Cause authors and musicians (at least most of the musicians -I- listen to) get at least a decent bit of the money I'm trying to send them.
2. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by Feanorian · 2012-08-16 11:30 · Score: 1
  
  Sounds reasonable to me *checks ktorrent*
3. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 11:54 · Score: 0
  
  I disagree with your penultimate statement. I am quite happy to pay the original creators for work I enjoyed regardless of how old it, or they, happen to be. I see no reason to make that distinction.
  Some people believe that copyright shouldn't exist as long as it does now. Some have suggested 10 years.
  But then again, you could still give money to the authors even after their copyright expired...
4. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by neminem · 2012-08-16 11:58 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, I totally agree copyright shouldn't last as long as it does. I'd be fine with 10 years, I'd be fine with a bit longer, but definitely nowhere near as it is now (also with slightly more explicit fair use exemptions, and ones people, including lawyers, knew about and respected. But that's another story.)
  I'm also often happy to pay money to authors of works even after they've copylefted/public domain'd it. Sometimes moreso!
5. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 13:10 · Score: 0
  
  And I won't pay for marketing since I can find out about stuff myself
  Bullshit. Word of mouth does not work so well -- you can't learn about everything from slashdot.
  There is a place for advertising. Yes, it has gone too far now, but that does not mean it needs to be completely abolished.
6. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by dnaumov · 2012-08-16 13:41 · Score: 1
  
  Good lucking having $100 million budget movies and games made in that universe of yours.
7. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by Beardo+the+Bearded · 2012-08-16 14:00 · Score: 1
  
  Hire some fucking writers and a scientist / engineer. Less sparkle, more substance.
  
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8. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by d18c7db · 2012-08-16 14:31 · Score: 1
  
  And stop paying top actors $50M per movie, find some good fresh blood who will work for a reasonable fee.
9. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by Altrag · 2012-08-16 15:03 · Score: 1
  
  Indie and B movies are good for that.
  Of course, taking Sturgeon's law into account, there's a whole lot of "less sparkle, less substance" out there as well. You can find some devastatingly terribly movies if you try!
10. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by sqrt(2) · 2012-08-16 16:22 · Score: 2
  
  Good riddance, I say.
  
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11. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 01:20 · Score: 0
  
  I don't think many production would deserve such a budget in the first place. So, instead of burning the hundreds of millions on shit production, you can wait a while to pool enough money and make a film or game that worth that much of money. It's not the money that makes a good movie or a good game.
12. Re:sure I'll pay creative works by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 02:31 · Score: 0
  
  Why does everyone have to do it your way?
  Why can't a person have a choice: spend $100 million making a glitzy movie and offer to show it to people for money; OR: hire writers and a scientist/engineer and make a cheap less sparkle more substance film for your crowd
  The fact the either one of them exists impinges on the other in no way at all.
  The reality is that for every site that has ever ranked torrents by seeders & leechers, mainstream high dollar production music and movies always come out on top. Always. There are piles of free music and movies and books and software with creators who want you to torrent their product for free. But that stuff can't come even close to the PHOTOSHOP_FULL_CRACK_WORKING torrents. Not even close.
So what are the best alternatives? by vux984 · 2012-08-16 09:57 · Score: 1

Now looks like a good time to reflect on the options. What are the good torrent options on windows?
Even better what are the best OSS ones?
1. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 10:11 · Score: 0
  
  I switched to Tixati. It's OK, in a few weeks i will try qbittorrent, and after that i will try OneSwarm I found these all through MajorGeeks.com
2. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by Blue+Stone · 2012-08-16 11:36 · Score: 1
  
  Deluge, for Windows, looks to be what uTorrent used to be, but abandoned when it got bought out: lightweight and functional and nothing more.
  Seriously, the people running uTorrent are lost. The u is really = micro which is what uTorrent stood for in the face of the bloated beast of Azureus and its kin. I think the tag line was something like "a lightweight little torrent client" or something - the emphasis was low resources, and fast. Before you know it, it'll just be another Vuze.
  
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3. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 11:39 · Score: 0
  
  qBittorrent is serviceable, and seems to have the most green boxes on Wikipedia's feature comparison page:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_clients
4. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by mirix · 2012-08-16 12:24 · Score: 1
  
  Deluge is quite nice on linux. There is a windows port, but I haven't run it... So I can't say if the experience is the same there.
  
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5. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by mirix · 2012-08-16 12:25 · Score: 1
  
  Sorry, forgot to mention that is GPL.
  
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6. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by EdZ · 2012-08-16 12:52 · Score: 1
  
  Tixati seems pretty nice and lightweight, but has the various back-end gubbins (scheduling, TCP/UDP options, etc) that uTorrent has without the bloat.
7. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by Smauler · 2012-08-16 13:53 · Score: 1
  
  I've been a utorrent user since it started almost. Switched to Vuze recently, for many reasons.
8. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 14:09 · Score: 0
  
  From my experience, qBittorrent also the most painless and idiot-proof FOSS bittorrent client I've tried. No need to be a programmer or IT admin to use it. Installation is straight-forward, no compiling needed. (Unless you want to, and download the source.) Low-overhead while running is a bonus, so it can do its thing in the background while you're doing other stuff. Even though it's well featured, it still might not be as feature-rich as some clients. The good news is that you're not dicking around trying to figure out some CLI, dealing with server and client issues, figuring out how to deal with Java or Python and scripting, or guessing about how the interface is supposed to work.
  I know some people loove those other clients with advanced queueing and various fancy remote access features; but if you just want to download, install, and get straight to torrenting with no B.S., it's hard to go wrong with qBittorrent. (Which surprises me that it's not more popular yet. I'm guessing it's the few rough edges and occasional bugs, but they haven't been too terrible in my experience.)
9. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by 0111+1110 · 2012-08-16 18:18 · Score: 1
  
  I also think Qbittorrent is a nice utorrent replacement. And it's multiplatform. Particularly important for me as Microsoft migrates to tablet-centric OSes which I will never use more than is absolutely necessary. I also find rTorrent very difficult to install and use
  
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10. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by DMUTPeregrine · 2012-08-17 01:58 · Score: 1
  
  Thirding qBittorrent here. As a note, both qBittorrent and rTorrent use libTorrent as the underlying library. rTorrent is just a command-line client, while qBittorrent is a GUI client.
  
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11. Re:So what are the best alternatives? by Drgnkght · 2012-08-17 14:41 · Score: 1
  
  I use Deluge on both Windows and Linux. It seems to work exactly the same on both.
PeerBlock by dark_requiem · 2012-08-16 09:58 · Score: 1

Seriously, who torrents without using a blacklisting program like PeerBlock, anyway? Yes, I know it's not perfect, but it helps, and guess what? It can block ad servers, too! If I hadn't read about this here, they probably could have implemented the ads, and I wouldn't have known about it at all!
1. Re:PeerBlock by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 00:58 · Score: 0
  
  Hate to burst your bubble but, as a simple PC hobbyist and a blue collar worker bee type with no IT credentials whatsoever, it would be simple for even me to grab your IP for possible legal action if I was so inclined. If you think the blacklister offers any protection you need to rethink your plan.
  You're better served by not uploading... cutting your seed time to 1 minute and your upload speed to something really low. Yes, the others would hate you, as much as you can hate some abstract IP address out there on the 'net.
  "The less you've uploaded, the less likely you are to be sued" is my motto.
qTorrent looks like a good alternative by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 10:00 · Score: 1

qTorrent was suggested on other tech community web sites as an alternative to uTorrent when this story broke. It's open-source, multi-platform and looks polished and is ad-free. Like uTorrent, it claims a small footprint. Is anyone already using it?

http://www.qbittorrent.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBittorrent

Remember Azereus? That was a popular platform until its owners bloated it with crap that no one wanted. They could now serve as that demotivational poster of a wrecked ship with the byline: "It may be your purpose in life is to act as a warning to others." uTorrent were going down that path, so it's encouraging to see them realise playing chicken with a lighthouse is not a wise surivival strategy. I never understood the point of 'apps' in uTorrent. What's next: 'apps' for Microsoft Word? 'apps' for 'apps'?
1. Re:qTorrent looks like a good alternative by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 15:35 · Score: 0
  
  I use it to get Tv Shows all the time. Works well and is resource light. Only resource hog is the RSS feed downloader on client startup. But after that delay, it very snappy. My biggest pet peeve is the shows made available on p2p have been strips of the ads. If they just upload the shows without any editing, then they would be legal under the time shift rule of the one court case, can't remember the details of that case now.
This whole 'outrage' and reporting is confusing... by macraig · 2012-08-16 10:04 · Score: 1

... because I've checked repeatedly for the latest version and there are no updates (v3.1.3 build 27220), yet there are simply no 'sponsored torrents' nor any advertising of any sort to see. As far as I can tell this is vaporware and much ado about something that hasn't actually happened. Did they somehow selectively roll it out to a certain demographic group, like maybe people whose default browser is Internet Explorer or whose browser isn't configured to request do-not-track?
Or maybe... my cranial powers and dislike of hard-sell advertising are both so staggering that I'm simply subconsciously willing these sponsored torrents not to appear? Yeah, that must be it....
Heh. by Goaway · 2012-08-16 10:16 · Score: 0

Trying to make money off pirates.
Great plan.
Re: cranial powers by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 10:17 · Score: 0

Anthony Fremont, is that you? I'm outta here.
I tolerate ads by INowRegretThesePosts · 2012-08-16 10:23 · Score: 1

As long as ads are discreet (no "punch the monkey" stunts, no attention-killing animations) and don't waste too much bandwidth, I'm fine with them.
I don't use AdBlock. I want the sites I love to be economically viable.
1. Re:I tolerate ads by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 10:26 · Score: 1
  
  you FREAK!
  What are you doing on /.?
won't be upgrading by DigitalisAkujin · 2012-08-16 10:25 · Score: 1

Saw this coming a mile away. I haven't upgraded my utorrent in a while and now have a real reason to not upgrade.
1. Re:won't be upgrading by geekoid · 2012-08-16 12:26 · Score: 0
  
  They just provide software and a service you use. The nerve of them wanting to make some money.
  They should do all there work for free, like you.
  dumb ass.
  
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2. Re:won't be upgrading by 0111+1110 · 2012-08-16 18:40 · Score: 1
  
  I don't expect them to do all their work for free. Just this work. I would never pay for the bloated piece of shit that microtorrent has become. It should be called MaxiTorrent now. Lots of free replacements that are just as good. If you want to develop a paid software product it's best to focus on types of software that don't have lots of free versions with equivalent or better functionality. How about actually meeting a need in the marketplace that isn't currently being met? Is that really so difficult?
  
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Re:This whole 'outrage' and reporting is confusing by ThatsMyNick · 2012-08-16 11:09 · Score: 1

They already have a tab called Featured Content (I think since version 3.x.x) . I always though they were planning to make it more prominent and sort of must view thing.
Who gives a damn? by cpu6502 · 2012-08-16 11:11 · Score: 4, Insightful

I don't understand why people get all PMSey over advertising. It's easy enough to ignore (go get a drink, go pee, go update your facebook status, glance at your magazine, et cetera). I'd sooner ignore an ad then have to pay ~$250 a year per network (example: BBC) or per program (~$70 for LimeWire). Advertising gives me 40+ channels of freetoair TV, plus thousands of free websites and dozens of programs.

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1. Re:Who gives a damn? by VortexCortex · 2012-08-16 19:11 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  Or simply learn how to use a computer and download or create a program that doesn't have the ads, or totally bypasses them...
2. Re:Who gives a damn? by 1s44c · 2012-08-16 22:07 · Score: 1
  
  I don't understand why people get all PMSey over advertising.
  Personally I don't like people wasting my time telling me I should give them money for something I don't even want.
  Avoiding adverts if like trying to not look at a bright light. You can train yourself to do it, you might not even know you are doing it, but it's still mental effort.
3. Re:Who gives a damn? by RaceProUK · 2012-08-16 23:49 · Score: 2
  
  ~$250 a year per network (example: BBC)
  Use iPlayer, don't watch the live broadcast, et voila! BBC content for free, and 100% legit.
  
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4. Re:Who gives a damn? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 00:44 · Score: 0
  
  I'd sooner ignore an ad then have to pay ~$250 a year per network (example: BBC)
  I see you've adjusted your previous $300 downwards to $250 after being called on it. Try using $230 in future if you want to be correct (to the relevant number of significant digits, i.e. 2).
  The '~' does not excuse this.
5. Re:Who gives a damn? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 06:03 · Score: 0
  
  >"I don't understand why people get all PMSey over advertising.
  >It's easy enough to ignore (go get a drink, go pee, go update your facebook status, glance at your magazine, et cetera)."
  It's the loss of control that matters!
  It's *my* computer, *my* electricity, *my* time.
  If I can just press Esc to skip, then that's fine.
  Don't try and force me to watch by disabling keys or some shit like that, though...
  You'll find the same anger in other areas, like games with un-skippable in-game video sequences.
6. Re:Who gives a damn? by hierophanta · 2012-08-17 06:59 · Score: 1
  
  you are right, you can get all those thing for free. the problem is that the quality of the product that you are getting is complete and utter crap - network TV is the best example of this, especially when you compare it to BBC.
Re:LOL by cheekyjohnson · 2012-08-16 11:29 · Score: 4, Insightful

Yes. Things that are free are magically exempt from criticism. People's negative feelings about free things simply don't exist, and so they're unable to express them.

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Re:This whole 'outrage' and reporting is confusing by macraig · 2012-08-16 11:36 · Score: 1

So is that all it is, then? I've had that tab/feature disabled in Options for so long that I'd forgotten about it. I also disabled the Apps section and even the sidebar, since it's not relevant to the way I use it.
No matter. If they do decide to take a hard sell approach I'll find a way to mitigate it or find another app to do the job. I'm willing to pay/donate a bit for what the software does for me, but I'm not willing to tolerate blatant advertising. (Reminds me of some episodes of the past season of the reimagined Hawaii Five-O series, wherein some of the "product placement" was so excessive it made me throw up in my mouth a little every time.)
Learn to BLOCK ads. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 12:24 · Score: 0

http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
We want free stuff by geekoid · 2012-08-16 12:25 · Score: 0

and we will leave if you put a picture of a product so you can make money.
whaa. whaa. We have the right to free stuff and free services.. whaa!

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Re:This whole 'outrage' and reporting is confusing by kamapuaa · 2012-08-16 12:29 · Score: 1

You have utorrent for a Mac (as do I).
I understand utorrent for Windows has the "download from beginning" which is a pretty killer feature. On my Windows machine with BitComet (don't laught) it means I can start watching after 15 seconds instead of having to wait a whole 5-15 minutes.
Windows version probably works for WINE, maybe I should use that instead.

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ktorrent by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 12:55 · Score: 0

ktorrent FTW.
Free and no adds.
Yeah they are by ArchieBunker · 2012-08-16 12:56 · Score: 1, Insightful

uTorrent is given away although you have the option of paying. If you are given something for free (as in a gift from someone else) you have zero room for bitching. Now had you paid $10 that's a different story.

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1. Re:Yeah they are by cheekyjohnson · 2012-08-16 14:01 · Score: 2
  
  That's silly. Anything and everything is open to criticism. If someone doesn't like something, they can criticize it and explain why.
  None of this means that you have to make changes when someone criticizes you, but they have every right to criticize you. They also have a right to criticize you and then find another alternative.
  
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2. Re:Yeah they are by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 20:11 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  uTorrent is given away although you have the option of paying. If you are given something for free (as in a gift from someone else) you have zero room for bitching. Now had you paid $10 that's a different story.
  I'll offer to paint your walls with faeces for free. Since it's free, you have no reason to refuse or complain.
3. Re:Yeah they are by pixelpusher220 · 2012-08-17 04:41 · Score: 1
  
  Well more correctly, you're already painting his walls for free and he's happy with that.
  
  You're just changing the paint to feces....for 'free' ;-)
  
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What's this about Macs? by macraig · 2012-08-16 13:13 · Score: 1

No, I don't have uTorrent for OSX. I have it installed natively in Windows 7 x64, no VMs or bootcamps anywhere in sight. I don't know what I said that provoked that conclusion, but you concluded incorrectly. I've never even bothered trying any of the streaming features and don't know much of anything about them, other than the barest knowledge that they exist. For me they're not a killer feature; I do a real good impression of a person demonstrating infinite patience.
1. Re:What's this about Macs? by kamapuaa · 2012-08-16 13:34 · Score: 1
  
  Just google "utorrent download" instead of making posts stating that you wonder about it, and you'll see that the latest version for Windows is 3.2 http://www.utorrent.com/downloads/
  And BTW fucking Macs, how I hate them so. Windows version of utorrent won't work with WINE. I upgraded to the newest version of WINE, and find out that my 1.5 year old Mac needs to have a not-free OS upgrade to be able to run the newer versions of WINE, an upgrade that makes my desktop more iPad like.
  
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2. Re:What's this about Macs? by macraig · 2012-08-16 13:48 · Score: 1
  
  ... you'll see that the latest version for Windows is 3.2.
  I clearly stated that I checked for a pushed update, which the software told me didn't exist. This new version isn't being pushed to existing installs (yet). I even spent a few minutes rummaging on the uTorrent site looking for a current version number, but I didn't get to that particular download page and they're not very forthcoming about it anywhere else... so I didn't know. I even downloaded it from a different link - with no description of the version - intending to check the file properties for a clue, but I got distracted by something more shiny. If I'd done that I also would have found the new version.
  No matter... I've disabled the automatic updating today, so I won't be seeing it any time soon, and I certainly won't be executing that download. I'll be terminating it, with prejudice.
3. Re:What's this about Macs? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 03:07 · Score: 0
  
  http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3053749&cid=41023259
Deluge Torrent by humanrev · 2012-08-16 14:25 · Score: 1

I've started using Deluge (http://deluge-torrent.org/) as an alternative. The reason I like it is because it has a very similar GUI to uTorrent and mostly the same functionality (including full .magnet support), plus they've finally got a good Windows installer that isn't too large and doesn't install as much cruft as it used to. Plus since it's open source and cross platform it means that once I give up Windows for good (given the way the platform is headed), I'll have gained enough familiarity with it that the full transition to Linux will hopefully be less painful. I'd transition now except that their desktop situation is still in a bit of a flux and I'm waiting for some stability in what people end up using.
A nice thing about the Windows build of Deluge is that unlike uTorrent, it's a clean, quick and painless install. Tthey don't even try to trick you into installing ads or WinZip I think it was recently, and it doesn't come up with some shit-for-brains neutered interface by default you have to disable to get some control over your torrents.

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qBitTorrent by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 14:36 · Score: 0

qBitTorrent, free, open-source and multi-platform
whatever ffs by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 14:38 · Score: 0

"Pure greed has turned your once loved app into a bloated and buggy cash cow,' said one user."
how ironic that said user is most likely using uTorrent to download copyright material for free and accuses the software developer who has provided a free to use product for many many years with constant updates of being greedy.
and now to wait for all the posts saying that 7 billion people download linux iso's and that only about 12 people on the whole planet download copyright content.
1. Re:whatever ffs by brit74 · 2012-08-16 15:38 · Score: 1
  
  Didn't you get the memo? Greed is a terrible, terrible thing when other people are doing it.
2. Re:whatever ffs by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 16:15 · Score: 0
  
  There is nothing wrong with having more than you need.
  There is something wrong with taking so much that others can't have what they need.
3. Re:whatever ffs by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 02:33 · Score: 0
  
  Not a single person has ever needed anything available by torrent.
  You can't torrent food, water, or a roof over your head. You can't torrent penecillin. You can't torrent a tourniquet.
Wait... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-16 15:00 · Score: 0

You mean people upgraded uTorrent? Why would you? The old version is awesome and has everything.
The new versions are worse.
I'll admit to torrenting a few times by Firethorn · 2012-08-16 15:52 · Score: 2

First, I pay for netflix, and normally watch stuff on there. However, I'd say that netflix still has a ways to go on things like subtitling, alternate languages, and seeking. While I don't play entire episodes at 1.5X like Celebi, I have the opposite problem - I fairly frequently have a 'what was that' reaction and want to go back 10-15 seconds, which means I have to wait 10-15 seconds while netflix tosses it's cache and redownloads the past minute or so. With a downloaded movie, that's a button click away.
While I have to wait for a torrent to finish downloading, that can be done in the background. The final product is typically superior to watching it on netflix, and often better than DVD. Blueray - depends on how annoying they made the disc; I've had a few that takes me 5+ minutes to get to what I paid for. Every time I put the disc in. I've heard of some that are more like 15 minutes.
For the record, I don't mind you putting advertising in the free space on the disc. What I mind is you setting it to play automatically before the menu comes up, as unskippably as you can make it, every time the disc goes in. Put it in the extra features. I'll actually look at that stuff on occasion(and that's all you need when it's a purchased disk). I especially love it(sarc) when it's for an older disc and I already own what they're advertising.

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1. Re:I'll admit to torrenting a few times by WillDraven · 2012-08-17 02:15 · Score: 1
  
  Actually, with utorrent and VLC you can stream most music and videos so you don't even have to wait for it to finish downloading all the way (assuming the torrent is healthy enough of course, anything that came out in the past year or two is usually streamable within 30 seconds or so).
  
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2. Re:I'll admit to torrenting a few times by Firethorn · 2012-08-19 15:26 · Score: 1
  
  I think it depends on your internet connection as well; mine isn't that great. Barely good enough for streaming from a dedicated site like netflix. Might try it later, of course. I don't torrent music. Heck, don't really torrent anymore; netflix usually doesn't have what I'm looking for, when I go for something specific, but it's great at suggesting stuff I'd like to watch. So I watch that. I like being legal.
  
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Lacking IPFilter URL/Updates by RanceJustice · 2012-08-16 17:16 · Score: 1

qBittorrent is certainly not a bad client but I find it lacking in a very critical security function - blocklists/IPFilters. Unlike many other open source clients like Transmission, Deluge, and (I believe, I haven't used it for awhile) KTorrent, qBT does NOT 1) Allow you to enter the URL of a blocklist file and 2) Automatically update from said blocklist at intervals. Instead, you have to have to download a proper file to a local machine and then manually hit the key to reload/update the blocklist filter. This is cumbersome and often defeats the purpose of blocklists, which are updated swiftly to ensure that anti-P2P organization address blocks are rejected. If anyone is up to the task and wishes to contribute to qBT I'd really suggest adding this functionality to bring it in line with the best of open source clients. Until then, I'll have to give qBittorrent a pass.
1. Re:Lacking IPFilter URL/Updates by 0111+1110 · 2012-08-16 18:29 · Score: 1
  
  I've bought into the arguments that block lists are ineffective at best and can even be counterproductive due to false positives. Although blocking non-uploading peers through a temporary IP address block can be amusing. I also like that qbittorrent fills in names for magnet links. utorrent 3.0 required me to enter the names manually. What a PITA. I also regard even a very slight false sense of security as a bad thing. I rely on the protection of the herd and not having mainstream tastes. It's always worked for me.
  
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Re:LOL by ifrag · 2012-08-16 23:49 · Score: 2

Or... just keep using the old uTorrent. It's got the basic and advanced feature set nailed down just fine. There's not a whole lot that needs done to it.

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MOD PARENT UP to offset moderation abuse by INowRegretThesePosts · 2012-08-17 02:06 · Score: 1

How can the above comment be described as against Slashdot comment guidelines?
This is moderation abuse. People who disagree with me should reply, instead of down-modding.
Why do people use closed source anyway? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-17 02:26 · Score: 0

I thought everyone moved to http://qbittorrent.sf.net/ since 3.x came out? The added open vs closed debate is pretty much a no brainer. I mean, if I was 'big media' (intent on suing the crap out of everyone), I'd be paying uT mgmt for a secret list of every user and every download they've ever done. I'm sure this type of thing is trivial, and with multple cases over a long period of time, the ip tracking / identity becomes a much easier thing to prove.
The point is, with closed source, and private company software, you just can't know what is really going on can you?
I'm glad they've decided to shed their user base, honest
Re:This whole 'outrage' and reporting is confusing by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 03:04 · Score: 0

Coming from a jackass that hasn't created anything of worth himself? I can see you saying what you have (loser).
Re:This whole 'outrage' and reporting is confusing by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 03:08 · Score: 0

http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3053749&cid=41023259
Your presence is requested by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 03:09 · Score: 0

http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3053749&cid=41023259
Re:Mark A. Craig/macraig (621737) eats his words by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 15:32 · Score: 0

must be bad since macraig's blowin his mod points to hide it.
Re:Mark A. Craig/macraig (621737) eats his words by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 15:33 · Score: 0

macraig started w/ apk, a dumb move. now macraig's eatin his words.
Re:macraig - "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat", lol by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 15:35 · Score: 0

great tune, pity to waste it on the troll macraig, but it fits him (troll).
Re:Why bother with ads? You don't HAVE to! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 18:03 · Score: 0

Fail is fail n ya failed cuz apk make ya eat yer words for dinner troll http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3053749&cid=41036617
Re:An application of... "ReVeRsE-PsYcHoLoGy" by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 18:08 · Score: 0

macraig you said apk's provocative. Quit hittin on him already hahahahaha.
Re:An application of... "ReVeRsE-PsYcHoLoGy" by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 18:09 · Score: 0

Better than bein macraig eatin his words hahahaha http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3053749&cid=41036617
Re:Why bother with ads? You don't HAVE to! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-08-18 18:15 · Score: 0

Hehehehe that is classic!