well done... i was just about ready to say something similar to what you said, but figured you did a fine job... though i think it is something of a shame that people will throw that stuff in their lip but not gut it, i mean, it'll probably hurt your lips more than your stomach, so just gut it and go for the bigger buzz. and there's absolutely no reason to use a shutgun on a squirrel. so grandparent post is freakin nutz.
back to topic... i do think the implications of microsoft outsourcing code would be huge, mainly helping companies like Sun and IBM. I am a fan of FSF and all, but I'm not sure it's in our nation's best interests to use something that as untrustable as GNU/Linux. But who is to say that Solaris or AIX is?
perhaps mcnealy is right and he just doesn't see how yet. mcnealy believes that the internet is waiting to buy more hardware and it just has yet to happen. i would be willing to bet he is right, but it won't happen with his high cost sparc boxes, it'll be with opteron servers running solaris... but only if he can make it at a decent price, because nothing is stopping people from running great opteron servers with linux.
I really do prefer to write client apps for linux in java. I find it a good environment to write programs in and have them be very portable. Maybe eventually mono could be used, but i'm not sure it's time.
Though let me tell you, for the time being it can make life fairly complicated. I had been programming with FreeBSD/BeOS/Linux (all GNU/Posix stuff) since in high school, but my third year in college I landed an internship doing Windows client programming. I could've easily worked with the engineers doing C/firmware stuff, but instead they had the need for client coders, so there I sat learning MFC. It will take a while for the lead developers at most locations to be willing to code in UNIX, not to mention, you have to provide your product for the platform that your customer wants.
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this/. article does come on the heels of userfriendly's current discussion userfriendly.org
i think that it is stupid to just download an app to the desktop and install some rpm (or similar), that is not the linux 'way' at all. has all the fs/oss ranting tought you all nothing? you should be wanting to do this: $ tar -xzf appname.tar.gz $ cd appname $./configure $ make $ sudo make install (zipping format issues aside for moment)
if you trully care about the app in question that is what you will want to do. all of the other various apps will likely be installed as part of the base system, but to go out and download an app that should be the recommended procedure.
having the source is what drove me to linux in the first place, and this was redhat 5.2 days. my video card didn't work with X11, but that didn't matter, i had access to source which was way better than with Windows.
do you mean to think that a person just introduced to the idea of something driving programs is gonna see a need to know the difference between int and Integer... come on. And to think that java is such an OOP language and you are going to teach that to learners? Granted some people may realise that the same frame can be placed on different car "models" doesn't mean that they will understand the true usefullness of java.
Personally, I learned with QBASIC and enjoyed it, then moved on to C. I would start anyone on QBASIC.
here is what i would add to most reviews
the installation from source of a window manager, then try to setup X to use it... this can be a pain sometimes, or it can be as simple as a.xinitrc script
also a way to do this would be to install a newer version of a package (from source prefereably) ontop of the system
[cough]SFU[/cough], just comment out the error in tty.c (989?) and it'll compile and run... may have issues with the missing setpgrp() call but that gets joe going... also with Services For Unix you need to mkdir/usr/local/etc/joe and copy the joerc file into there to just test the app without 'make install'
There is one other thing about the production of ethanol from corn that many people do not know. The waste products that result from this procedure are not trully waste. It is called glutton (if I remember correctly) and it is a highly efficient addition to the diet of cattle. I doubt that wood chips and straw will do that well with their waste. [sarcasm]"Here you go Bob, take this syrupy wood mash and burn it in your stove, mmk."[/sarcasm] Also, the glutton does not have to be trucked very far usually, so it puts a lot of truckers to work around the Dakotas. This seems like a very efficient use of corn.
I know many people who use Yahoo! as a home page and they like the many services that are offered by Yahoo! besides just the search facilities. If all they wanted was search I doubt they would use yahoo.com for their homepage.
yes i love these kinds of discussions, and this comes from someone who is high up in microsoft. sometimes people fail to see how cost really works. like the cost of the os matters too much. Spending ~$300 on a particular machine pales compared to the cost of the hardware and the cost of the support personnel (all of which will be cheaper with a solid os like gnu/linux).
eminem should go back to being poor so that he can be his happy old self... that way can find the inspiration to write good stuff again ( or at least think he is)
for one thing, it would certainly knock a lot of people out of the profession if the first language that they tried to learn was assembly... though this might mean that eventually the only people writing code at least know what they're doing, therefore producing better products for the users
i don't think sco knows what it wants.
on the one hand they work on a linux personality kit for their 'unix' and they use many tools under the gnu license with their products, then they go after the free software community and say that the gpl is evil and bad for the world... huh?
someone should (ibm, etc) put sco in their place
I am in a similar situation with sound support. I am currently running Red Hat 8 Pro, since FreeBSD 7 wouldn't load on my machine (an ide driver problem), and the onboard AC97 isn't supported until FreeBSD 7 or -Current. Though RedHat is a decent OS once you throw out the compute-intensive (and unnecessary) stuff and switch to the Motif Window Manager. *BSD has always been my OS of choice, the simplicity of the file system tree and the kernel config file are quite nice.
i agree... fortran has the goods to get a math job done quite nicely it's also supposed to be a fairly fast language, especially for math (maybe the g77 people could comment) for those that have never used the language, it's worth a shot to learn the problem is that there aren't really any good books around for beginners in the language. i enjoyed one called "fortran for programmers" (or something like that), but it's quite old.
correct me if i'm wrong, but cost is not as big of a deal to a corporation. corporations use ms products because there are massive amounts of employees to maintain their servers. the cost is not the factor here. if the company has the employees to secure a certain server environment than they do it. this will save them time (and therefore money). the price of the hardware is not near the cost of the employee's time.
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well done ... i was just about ready to say something similar to what you said, but figured you did a fine job ... though i think it is something of a shame that people will throw that stuff in their lip but not gut it, i mean, it'll probably hurt your lips more than your stomach, so just gut it and go for the bigger buzz. and there's absolutely no reason to use a shutgun on a squirrel. so grandparent post is freakin nutz.
... i do think the implications of microsoft outsourcing code would be huge, mainly helping companies like Sun and IBM. I am a fan of FSF and all, but I'm not sure it's in our nation's best interests to use something that as untrustable as GNU/Linux. But who is to say that Solaris or AIX is?
back to topic
So maybe everyone could help out and mirror the site so that Salvatore can writhe in pain in the corner while Spence pays off his debt.
perhaps mcnealy is right and he just doesn't see how yet. mcnealy believes that the internet is waiting to buy more hardware and it just has yet to happen. i would be willing to bet he is right, but it won't happen with his high cost sparc boxes, it'll be with opteron servers running solaris ... but only if he can make it at a decent price, because nothing is stopping people from running great opteron servers with linux.
what i don't get is how people on slashdot can argue about a hello world example ... or why i'm even posting this
I really do prefer to write client apps for linux in java. I find it a good environment to write programs in and have them be very portable. Maybe eventually mono could be used, but i'm not sure it's time.
being in a large room full of developers sitting unhappily at cubicles is bad enough, but no we are all armed with weapons, ahhhh!!!
Though let me tell you, for the time being it can make life fairly complicated. I had been programming with FreeBSD/BeOS/Linux (all GNU/Posix stuff) since in high school, but my third year in college I landed an internship doing Windows client programming. I could've easily worked with the engineers doing C/firmware stuff, but instead they had the need for client coders, so there I sat learning MFC. It will take a while for the lead developers at most locations to be willing to code in UNIX, not to mention, you have to provide your product for the platform that your customer wants.
this /. article does come on the heels of userfriendly's current discussion userfriendly.org
wow, absolutely 100% wrong ... or something
./configure
i think that it is stupid to just download an app to the desktop and install some rpm (or similar), that is not the linux 'way' at all. has all the fs/oss ranting tought you all nothing? you should be wanting to do this:
$ tar -xzf appname.tar.gz
$ cd appname
$
$ make
$ sudo make install
(zipping format issues aside for moment)
if you trully care about the app in question that is what you will want to do. all of the other various apps will likely be installed as part of the base system, but to go out and download an app that should be the recommended procedure.
having the source is what drove me to linux in the first place, and this was redhat 5.2 days. my video card didn't work with X11, but that didn't matter, i had access to source which was way better than with Windows.
wtf?
... come on. And to think that java is such an OOP language and you are going to teach that to learners? Granted some people may realise that the same frame can be placed on different car "models" doesn't mean that they will understand the true usefullness of java.
do you mean to think that a person just introduced to the idea of something driving programs is gonna see a need to know the difference between int and Integer
Personally, I learned with QBASIC and enjoyed it, then moved on to C. I would start anyone on QBASIC.
here is what i would add to most reviews the installation from source of a window manager, then try to setup X to use it ... this can be a pain sometimes, or it can be as simple as a .xinitrc script
also a way to do this would be to install a newer version of a package (from source prefereably) ontop of the system
[cough]SFU[/cough], just comment out the error in tty.c (989?) and it'll compile and run ... may have issues with the missing setpgrp() call but that gets joe going ... also with Services For Unix you need to mkdir /usr/local/etc/joe and copy the joerc file into there to just test the app without 'make install'
There is one other thing about the production of ethanol from corn that many people do not know. The waste products that result from this procedure are not trully waste. It is called glutton (if I remember correctly) and it is a highly efficient addition to the diet of cattle. I doubt that wood chips and straw will do that well with their waste.
[sarcasm]"Here you go Bob, take this syrupy wood mash and burn it in your stove, mmk."[/sarcasm]
Also, the glutton does not have to be trucked very far usually, so it puts a lot of truckers to work around the Dakotas. This seems like a very efficient use of corn.
I know many people who use Yahoo! as a home page and they like the many services that are offered by Yahoo! besides just the search facilities. If all they wanted was search I doubt they would use yahoo.com for their homepage.
yes
i love these kinds of discussions, and this comes from someone who is high up in microsoft. sometimes people fail to see how cost really works. like the cost of the os matters too much. Spending ~$300 on a particular machine pales compared to the cost of the hardware and the cost of the support personnel (all of which will be cheaper with a solid os like gnu/linux).
eminem should go back to being poor so that he can be his happy old self ... that way can find the inspiration to write good stuff again ( or at least think he is)
for one thing, it would certainly knock a lot of people out of the profession if the first language that they tried to learn was assembly ... though this might mean that eventually the only people writing code at least know what they're doing, therefore producing better products for the users
notice the 'news' part of the osnews name ... since when has the news been fair and truthworthy
I think the best news in the whole interview is that they will change sockets to be more like file descriptors.
i don't think sco knows what it wants. on the one hand they work on a linux personality kit for their 'unix' and they use many tools under the gnu license with their products, then they go after the free software community and say that the gpl is evil and bad for the world ... huh?
someone should (ibm, etc) put sco in their place
I am in a similar situation with sound support. I am currently running Red Hat 8 Pro, since FreeBSD 7 wouldn't load on my machine (an ide driver problem), and the onboard AC97 isn't supported until FreeBSD 7 or -Current. Though RedHat is a decent OS once you throw out the compute-intensive (and unnecessary) stuff and switch to the Motif Window Manager. *BSD has always been my OS of choice, the simplicity of the file system tree and the kernel config file are quite nice.
i agree ... fortran has the goods to get a math job done quite nicely
it's also supposed to be a fairly fast language, especially for math (maybe the g77 people could comment)
for those that have never used the language, it's worth a shot to learn
the problem is that there aren't really any good books around for beginners in the language.
i enjoyed one called "fortran for programmers" (or something like that), but it's quite old.
correct me if i'm wrong, but cost is not as big of a deal to a corporation. corporations use ms products because there are massive amounts of employees to maintain their servers. the cost is not the factor here. if the company has the employees to secure a certain server environment than they do it. this will save them time (and therefore money). the price of the hardware is not near the cost of the employee's time.
sorry about that ... "these chess programs ... a little typo on my part ... please accept my sincerest apologies
they"
how come they don't award the programmers of these chess programmers they take into account such brilliant ideas that they deserve something?!?