"You can throw more money each year at telling people to turn down the heating, but each year the human population increases closer to (or perhaps beyond) the carrying capacity of the planet. This is the real problem"
No, the real problem is the economic/real wars that will start over the remaining resources...which would make the deaths from the actual problem look like an exercise in trivial math.
Anyone think that such wars would not happen? Read your history.
That doesn't mean that we aren't contributing to the problem.
The whole debate over global warming has polarized so much that few people seem to realize that whether or not these changes happen naturally, we could still be tipping the balance enough to cause major changes, ON TOP OF the natural changes.
Have you - and a lot of the other idiots perpetuating this myth - ever considered that the entire ecological system of the planet depends on both of these factors (and more)?
Sheeeeezusss......obviously they're not teaching much in schools nowadays about closed environmental systems....
"There's a lot of agricultural failure that could happen that would actually better the food production system of the world and lower taxes"
Sorry, but on this subject you are clueless.
So....who starves? During the period where ag is being shifted geographically, who starves? Who pays for the shift (southward - as the article implies - or northward - as in the "standard" global warming model)? Taxpayers? Shoppers? What are *you* willing to pay for groceries? Have you ever really studied this? (dumb question)
Who starves during the period in which production is stifled and the resources (men, machinery, techniques, etc) is being shifted?
Sorry for the rant, but your kind of thinking is the same as the idiot politicos who are basically clueless as to what to do in the case of the scenario proposed.
Thanks weaselgrrl, you put it better than I could. You are just too right....I grew up in farm country, and it takes very, very little to create major problems for farmers on a local basis. If we saw temp variations all over the US like the ones being discussed the results would be devastating.
All too few people in the US know just how delicate their food supply is. If they did know, they'd be growing their own food as much as possible in backyard/rooftop/deck/porch/window gardens.
For anyone who wants to read more about this, I recommend Countryside magazine, or even Backwoods Home. There are more mags devoted to this, but these are the best I've seen.
A 5-10 degree F drop in average yearly temps in the US would destroy a very large number of crops - it's obvious you know little about farming
(sorry, but I grew up working on farms - it would be devastating - especially to crops such as feed/sweet corn that rely on high temps during the later summers to mature)
Which is why we should be developing technology that enables us to live with the coming changes rather than trying methods that we're not sure will solve problems which we have little understanding of....
Your post, while a little (!) speculative, does touch upon one subject I've been preaching for a long time.
A better use of our efforts than trying to figure out how to change global climate would be developing technologies to live with it. More efficient heating/cooling systems, cheaper greenhouses, etc...I could go on and on, but I have to go prepare for winter:)
I feel vindicated. In '88 I wrote a paper for an advanced meteorology class at UND where I used some snippets of previous research to suggest that this very thing could occur.
The prof I had at the time graded the paper C- because, as his notes in the margin indicated, it was "speculative". I argued with him about it, stressing the point that the Earth's climate is a chaotically balanced system that could change extremely quickly, and brought up many of the points in the article, particularly the freshwater balance.
Finally. Thank you Dr.Gagosian. I wish I could go back and shove this in my prof's face, but unfortunately he retired and moved to California......
Just goes to show how entrenched in "traditional" science many of our universities are, and how resistant to new data/ideas way too many scientists are.
Dude, try turning up the gamespeed - it's in the options.
Of course you better have a decent box:)
SB
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I have a whole stack of Deer brand power supplies that fried the same way - one of the larger electrolytics on the board explodes. They generally take a lot of system components with them when they do....
But the funny part is getting calls from customers saying "My computer just exploded!" after they hear the BANG! One just doesn't have the heart to tell them that they probably just lost most of the system because they bought it from a el-cheapo integrator....
Installed a second drive in a K6-2 500mhz machine. Unknowningly I knocked the CPU fan connector loose.
Hit the power switch and went into the kitchen to get coffee.
*sniff* *sniff*
Is that coffee burning?
No. S***!
Dashed into the computer room and yanked the power cord. The part of the *CASE* directly "under" the processor was too hot to touch. I was ready to weep...
Amazing thing is, that processor still worked! (it's in my fileserver/cdburner machine right now, 2 years later.)
A good solution? As to 9/11? How about Americans STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES AND OTHERS.
What happened to dying to defend your countrymen? What kind of wimps are we becoming? If even a handful of passengers on those flights would have acted to prevent what was happening, we'd be celebrating their sacrifice for freedom rather than mourning the many dead.
Last week I acted as did several others to stop a homicidal lunatic in a bar from killing someone else. I did it because I AM WILLING TO STAND UP FOR MY FELLOW CITIZENS.
You, sir, are a pathetic piece of shit who has NO IDEA WHATSOEVER what freedom is about, and posting what you did displays an incredible amount of ignorance about the concepts our country was founded on.
""Virtual reality? Eh, I don't know about that. But I'd sure be interested to know what that thing would have to say if someone who was wearing one of those gave you the finger.:)""
mod parent up Funny please:) - and you just gave the trolls more ammo:)
Actually I was thinking about such scenarios as drawing against Billy the Kid. Or lots of other good game/simulation interfaces. There seems to be a quiet ongoing revolution in VR, now that the public dollar/hype has died down.
Another good killer app I can think of is training computer programs to display 3D sign language. It's a lot easier to mimic natural movements (like the ones deaf people will have to deal with) if you have a large database of the possible movements, recorded in 3d, that can be displayed in 3d with the learner being able to look at it from all angles and at their own leisure. VRML might be good for this, or some hybrid that has lots of web exposure, I'd welcome comment on that. Think of the possibilities for teaching deaf people sign language, using a computer program. The movements would be much more natural.
There's lots more uses. VR seems to have faded from the news, and I think it's time for a revival (we have the processing power to do this stuff in realtime now, in PDAs, yet:)
As someone with older relatives who suffer hearing and seeing problems, the applications of things like this are never far from my mind....
That's what I don't understand. I would imagine that for $250M they could launch probably 4 microsatellites devoted to Antartica commo into polar orbits - four because that way there's always one well over the horizon and there's always a spare....
Anyone with more knowledge care to comment on the feasibility of that and why they want to go cable?
Satellites would be a heck of a lot less risky to lives too (care to take bets how many lives could be lost laying cable this way? or fixing it?)
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"You can throw more money each year at telling people to turn down the heating, but each year the human population increases closer to (or perhaps beyond) the carrying capacity of the planet. This is the real problem"
No, the real problem is the economic/real wars that will start over
the remaining resources...which would make the deaths from the actual
problem look like an exercise in trivial math.
Anyone think that such wars would not happen? Read your history.
SB
Yes, natural climate changes are common.
That doesn't mean that we aren't contributing to the problem.
The whole debate over global warming has polarized so much that few
people seem to realize that whether or not these changes happen naturally,
we could still be tipping the balance enough to cause major changes, ON
TOP OF the natural changes.
The world is not black and white, people.
Freakin' political idiots.
SB
Have you - and a lot of the other idiots perpetuating this myth -
ever considered that the entire ecological system of the planet depends
on both of these factors (and more)?
Sheeeeezusss......obviously they're not teaching much in schools
nowadays about closed environmental systems....
pissed off SB
"There's a lot of agricultural failure that could happen that would actually better the food production system of the world and lower taxes"
Sorry, but on this subject you are clueless.
So....who starves? During the period where ag is being shifted
geographically, who starves? Who pays for the shift (southward -
as the article implies - or northward - as in the "standard" global
warming model)? Taxpayers? Shoppers? What are *you* willing to pay
for groceries? Have you ever really studied this? (dumb question)
Who starves during the period in which production is stifled and
the resources (men, machinery, techniques, etc) is being shifted?
Sorry for the rant, but your kind of thinking is the same as the
idiot politicos who are basically clueless as to what to do in the
case of the scenario proposed.
SB
Thanks weaselgrrl, you put it better than I could. You are just
too right....I grew up in farm country, and it takes very, very
little to create major problems for farmers on a local basis. If
we saw temp variations all over the US like the ones being discussed
the results would be devastating.
All too few people in the US know just how delicate their food
supply is. If they did know, they'd be growing their own food as
much as possible in backyard/rooftop/deck/porch/window gardens.
For anyone who wants to read more about this, I recommend
Countryside magazine, or even Backwoods Home. There are more
mags devoted to this, but these are the best I've seen.
SB
A 5-10 degree F drop in average yearly temps in the US would destroy
a very large number of crops - it's obvious you know little about farming
(sorry, but I grew up working on farms - it would be devastating -
especially to crops such as feed/sweet corn that rely on high temps
during the later summers to mature)
Sb
Which is why we should be developing technology that enables us to live with the coming changes rather than trying methods that we're not sure will solve problems which we have little understanding of....
SB
Your post, while a little (!) speculative, does touch upon one subject
I've been preaching for a long time.
A better use of our efforts than trying to figure out how to change
global climate would be developing technologies to live with it. More
efficient heating/cooling systems, cheaper greenhouses, etc...I could go
on and on, but I have to go prepare for winter
SB
Dude! :) [ Dakotaspeak ]
:)
Lived there for 3 years and attended UND back in the early
'90s.
Did they have to completely gut the downtown after '97?
(now residing in NE Minnesota)
Mid-April? Bah humbug....we have worse weather here near
Ely....occasionally have had ice storms in June
Wheee!
SB
Only 4 months? WTH do you live, Florida?
SB
I feel vindicated. In '88 I wrote a paper for an advanced meteorology
class at UND where I used some snippets of previous research to suggest
that this very thing could occur.
The prof I had at the time graded the paper C- because, as his notes
in the margin indicated, it was "speculative". I argued with him about
it, stressing the point that the Earth's climate is a chaotically balanced
system that could change extremely quickly, and brought up many of the
points in the article, particularly the freshwater balance.
Finally. Thank you Dr.Gagosian. I wish I could go back and shove
this in my prof's face, but unfortunately he retired and moved to
California......
Just goes to show how entrenched in "traditional" science many of
our universities are, and how resistant to new data/ideas way too many
scientists are.
SB
Hey now, I resemble that remark.
SB
Humor impaired?
Isn't having him on the screen bad enough, now it'll sound
like he's hovering *right behind you*
(shades of Salmon Days )
SB
With an ActiveX control that turns the volume ALL THE WAY UP...
If you even have to ask....
you're obviously not a Geek.
SB
how could someone play so "slowly".
:)
Dude, try turning up the gamespeed - it's in the options.
Of course you better have a decent box
SB
I have a whole stack of Deer brand power supplies that fried
the same way - one of the larger electrolytics on the board
explodes. They generally take a lot of system components with
them when they do....
But the funny part is getting calls from customers saying
"My computer just exploded!" after they hear the BANG! One just
doesn't have the heart to tell them that they probably just lost
most of the system because they bought it from a el-cheapo
integrator....
SB
Heh. I did something similar once.
Installed a second drive in a K6-2 500mhz machine. Unknowningly
I knocked the CPU fan connector loose.
Hit the power switch and went into the kitchen to get coffee.
*sniff* *sniff*
Is that coffee burning?
No. S***!
Dashed into the computer room and yanked the power cord. The
part of the *CASE* directly "under" the processor was too
hot to touch. I was ready to weep...
Amazing thing is, that processor still worked! (it's in my
fileserver/cdburner machine right now, 2 years later.)
Tough little buggers.....
SB
Sorry, but I have to call you an idiot.
A good solution? As to 9/11? How about Americans STANDING UP
FOR THEMSELVES AND OTHERS.
What happened to dying to defend your countrymen? What kind of
wimps are we becoming? If even a handful of passengers on those flights
would have acted to prevent what was happening, we'd be celebrating
their sacrifice for freedom rather than mourning the many dead.
Last week I acted as did several others to stop a homicidal lunatic
in a bar from killing someone else. I did it because I AM WILLING TO
STAND UP FOR MY FELLOW CITIZENS.
You, sir, are a pathetic piece of shit who has NO IDEA WHATSOEVER
what freedom is about, and posting what you did displays an incredible
amount of ignorance about the concepts our country was founded on.
Sorry for the rant, but sheesh......
SB
This is the most insightful set of comments I've seen on
yet concerning 9/11, and it DIDN'T GET MODDED UP.
Sigh.
SB
""Virtual reality? Eh, I don't know about that. But I'd sure be interested to know what that thing would have to say if someone who was wearing one of those gave you the finger. :)""
:) - and you just gave the trolls more ammo :)
:)
mod parent up Funny please
Actually I was thinking about such scenarios as drawing against Billy the Kid. Or lots of other good game/simulation interfaces. There seems to be a quiet ongoing revolution in VR, now that the public dollar/hype has died down.
Another good killer app I can think of is training computer programs to display 3D sign language. It's a lot easier to mimic natural movements (like the ones deaf people will have to deal with) if you have a large database of the possible movements, recorded in 3d, that can be displayed in 3d with the learner being able to look at it from all angles and at their own leisure. VRML might be good for this, or some hybrid that has lots of web exposure, I'd welcome comment on that. Think of the possibilities for teaching deaf people sign language, using a computer program. The movements would be much more natural.
There's lots more uses. VR seems to have faded from the news, and I think it's time for a revival (we have the processing power to do this stuff in realtime now, in PDAs, yet
As someone with older relatives who suffer hearing and seeing problems, the applications of things like this are never far from my mind....
SB
utterly amazed nobody has posted yet...
Another step closer to virtual reality booths....
SB
That's what I don't understand. I would imagine that for $250M they could launch probably 4 microsatellites devoted to Antartica commo into polar orbits - four because that way there's always one well over the horizon and there's always a spare....
Anyone with more knowledge care to comment on the feasibility of that and why they want to go cable?
Satellites would be a heck of a lot less risky to lives too (care to take bets how many lives could be lost laying cable this way? or fixing it?)
SB
two flying saucers mating, of course :)
SB