Plus drives that burn the media in such a way as to take advantage of the properties of the CDs... or, just plain well designed and well built CD burners.
Over the 8 years that I've been burning CD data media, I've marked every CD with a short code that indicates what it was burned with. Out of the 8 burners I've had in that time, the one that has consistently (over 60% of my archives) burned the longest lasting disks is my old (and still functional!) HP 4x. From what I remember last spring when I went thru my entire CD archive, the media mattered about the same as the burner. Roughly three quarters of the disks burned with HP, irrespective of media, survived more than a year or two, while less than half of everything else burned with all the other burners did.
When I got my first 16x burner I started keeping more multiple copies, and that's likely why I was able to recover better than 90% of over a thousand backup CDs (yeah, they were redundant to some extent, but that's the point...)
So we have this archival quality CD media I've read about in many posts in this story. Are there burners that can take advantage of the greater quality of the media?
Well, I get by with only six backup rolls, because I only use 3M brand. It's much more cost effective if you don't have to retape everything every week or so.
Some newer otherboards don't deal with with older drives, even if you manage to get a BIOS screen and manually configure the drive. Not sure why this is, just that I've seen it quite a bit. Anyone know why that is?
OTOH I have two new (1 yr old) mobos here that deal with everything I have that still works.
On the Gripping Hand, that's the reason why I keep a couple of older working machines in the closet. Don't pull them out much, but there are (few but profitable) times I need them. Back about six months ago, a local businessperson came to me with a 486 running WfW that had been sitting in his storage unit for years, and asked me if I could get the info off the hardrive. Nothing here would recognize the drive properly - ie no boot sector data or partition table recognition - so I put in in the old pentium I had in the closet, booted win95, hooked up the network and copied the drive to the lan samba share (after cleaning a LOT of dust and cat hair out of it, anyway...:) but just having that ol' piece of crap lying around netted me $75. Not a bad haul for 15 minutes of work and a half an hour surfing slashdot while the data copied over to two different machines... I don't remember the size of the HD now, but it was under 100MB.
The pentium box was a freebie from some years back, and it's made me about $500 in the last year and a half. Not a bad return for blowing the dust out of it once in a while. It's an Micron box, so it'll likely run forever if I give it a little TLC once in a while.
Long story short is that I don't think it's the drives as much as it is some modern motherboards.
The best "internet backup" is all the stuff that we rat-packers save and someday recall again...:)
I recently reconstructed a vanquished web page thru TIA, local saved pages, and various googled caches. It was rather an enlightening experience. One application I can see for the future of the internet is distributed user archive programs such as the TIA is, but with many, many more machines. Google is really kind of a baby step towards the infrastructure needed to have a collective database of human info.
But there's a dupe already! It's in another reality along the spreading multiverse wavefront of the article, which in turn branch off their own dupes, which in turn... and of course this applies to particles which share two opposite spin states, just look at the huge internet particle called slashdot:)
While I would tend to agree with you based on the people I've met, I suspect there really isn't any relevant data regarding the opinions of Christians *worldwide* on that point. Whether or not it's a vast majority, or a majority, or maybe a shaky whatever, I don't think that anyone really knows.
I also seriously doubt there's any way to determine that empirically.;-)
Yeah, Microsoft's fight against malware is clearly being prosecuted on the highest level;)
The use of the "Genuine Windows Validation Tool" is a *clear* indication of their concern over the vulnerabilities in their operating system. I mean, if it gets zombied, it's *clearly* not a "genuine windows install", is it? /sarcasm
If they really were experts, I'd hope they'd be able to tell the difference even just from plaintext. If nothing else, just the less condensed nature of nearly all wikipedia articles, and the often somewhat non-grammatical nature of the link names, should tell them that it's not a mainstream printed encyclopedia.
The huge differences in writing styles (with)in a Wikipedia vs. the more formalized nature of nearly all encyclopedias would also be a huge hint, I'd think.
I mean, any "expert" who could evaluate them fairly would have to be familiar with both, right?
Besides which, and this is something I've been thinking about since Wikipedia started showing up more in the news criticisms lately - just HOW can the two be compared? There's such a huge difference between the evolutional processes of the two that they are apples and oranges. Comparing them is like trying to compare an attempt at a complete human genome printed in a dead-tree format, vs. the gestalt of the knowledge of genetic researchers. It just can't be done in any really meaningful manner. Ok, that was probably a poor analogy, but it's true that no paper-printed media can match the information potentially available over the internet. Bits are cheap, paper and ink ain't. Times, a'changing.
Sometimes I suspect that a lot of inexplicable card failures over the last, oh, 5 to 10 years have been due to shitty power supplies. DEER in particular and some others seemed to have power supplies with failure modes that would take out random cards on the bus (as well as other components). Likely not the only explanation but has probably contributed.
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Plus drives that burn the media in such a way as to take advantage of the properties of the CDs... or, just plain well designed and well built CD burners.
Over the 8 years that I've been burning CD data media, I've marked every CD with a short code that indicates what it was burned with. Out of the 8 burners I've had in that time, the one that has consistently (over 60% of my archives) burned the longest lasting disks is my old (and still functional!) HP 4x. From what I remember last spring when I went thru my entire CD archive, the media mattered about the same as the burner. Roughly three quarters of the disks burned with HP, irrespective of media, survived more than a year or two, while less than half of everything else burned with all the other burners did.
When I got my first 16x burner I started keeping more multiple copies, and that's likely why I was able to recover better than 90% of over a thousand backup CDs (yeah, they were redundant to some extent, but that's the point...)
So we have this archival quality CD media I've read about in many posts in this story. Are there burners that can take advantage of the greater quality of the media?
SB
Well, I get by with only six backup rolls, because I only use 3M brand. It's much more cost effective if you don't have to retape everything every week or so.
:)
So there.
*bows to a great comeback*
SB
Some newer otherboards don't deal with with older drives, even if you manage to get a BIOS screen and manually configure the drive. Not sure why this is, just that I've seen it quite a bit. Anyone know why that is?
:) but just having that ol' piece of crap lying around netted me $75. Not a bad haul for 15 minutes of work and a half an hour surfing slashdot while the data copied over to two different machines... I don't remember the size of the HD now, but it was under 100MB.
OTOH I have two new (1 yr old) mobos here that deal with everything I have that still works.
On the Gripping Hand, that's the reason why I keep a couple of older working machines in the closet. Don't pull them out much, but there are (few but profitable) times I need them. Back about six months ago, a local businessperson came to me with a 486 running WfW that had been sitting in his storage unit for years, and asked me if I could get the info off the hardrive. Nothing here would recognize the drive properly - ie no boot sector data or partition table recognition - so I put in in the old pentium I had in the closet, booted win95, hooked up the network and copied the drive to the lan samba share (after cleaning a LOT of dust and cat hair out of it, anyway...
The pentium box was a freebie from some years back, and it's made me about $500 in the last year and a half. Not a bad return for blowing the dust out of it once in a while. It's an Micron box, so it'll likely run forever if I give it a little TLC once in a while.
Long story short is that I don't think it's the drives as much as it is some modern motherboards.
SB
No, but a thesis project relating to shielding against EMP may be
SB
What, no backup roll of tape in case the original roll fails for some weird reason?
:)
Shame on you
SB
You know, I think that's the clearest post on this subject I've ever seen on slashdot... thanks for the ammo :)
SB
Then they just may have to do it themselves. That *is* the real strength of open source, isn't it? That they CAN?
SB
That'd be the "Think of the Flamingos" section.
I for one would welcome our fuzzy pink slipper overlasses...
SB
Exactly.
:)
The best "internet backup" is all the stuff that we rat-packers save and someday recall again...
I recently reconstructed a vanquished web page thru TIA, local saved pages, and various googled caches. It was rather an enlightening experience. One application I can see for the future of the internet is distributed user archive programs such as the TIA is, but with many, many more machines. Google is really kind of a baby step towards the infrastructure needed to have a collective database of human info.
SB
But there's a dupe already! It's in another reality along the spreading multiverse wavefront of the article, which in turn branch off their own dupes, which in turn... and of course this applies to particles which share two opposite spin states, just look at the huge internet particle called slashdot :)
Ow.
SB
What a novel concept! No, really...
SB
Well said!
Shoot me an email, the address I have for you seems to have disappeared.
Happy Holidays
SB
Because it's too obvious? *grin*
SB
While I would tend to agree with you based on the people I've met, I suspect there really isn't any relevant data regarding the opinions of Christians *worldwide* on that point. Whether or not it's a vast majority, or a majority, or maybe a shaky whatever, I don't think that anyone really knows.
;-)
I also seriously doubt there's any way to determine that empirically.
SB
Yeah. Oh, and watch out for those hidden entries at the higher levels. There Be Zombies :)
SB
Yeah, Microsoft's fight against malware is clearly being prosecuted on the highest level ;)
/sarcasm
The use of the "Genuine Windows Validation Tool" is a *clear* indication of their concern over the vulnerabilities in their operating system. I mean, if it gets zombied, it's *clearly* not a "genuine windows install", is it?
SB
Ah.
There are certain turns of phrases/events out there that can alter your spin on things.
Yeah, I grok that.
SB
(thinking of conservation of angular opinions)
But that's sort of ridiculous.
If they really were experts, I'd hope they'd be able to tell the difference even just from plaintext. If nothing else, just the less condensed nature of nearly all wikipedia articles, and the often somewhat non-grammatical nature of the link names, should tell them that it's not a mainstream printed encyclopedia.
The huge differences in writing styles (with)in a Wikipedia vs. the more formalized nature of nearly all encyclopedias would also be a huge hint, I'd think.
I mean, any "expert" who could evaluate them fairly would have to be familiar with both, right?
Besides which, and this is something I've been thinking about since Wikipedia started showing up more in the news criticisms lately - just HOW can the two be compared? There's such a huge difference between the evolutional processes of the two that they are apples and oranges. Comparing them is like trying to compare an attempt at a complete human genome printed in a dead-tree format, vs. the gestalt of the knowledge of genetic researchers. It just can't be done in any really meaningful manner. Ok, that was probably a poor analogy, but it's true that no paper-printed media can match the information potentially available over the internet. Bits are cheap, paper and ink ain't. Times, a'changing.
SB
Publish under an anonymous pen name and drink large amounts of alcohol during the research? Well, the booze would help you forget... ;-)
:)
(Just reading the wiki entry about goatse is nore than I really wanted to know
SB
If it wasn't, well, we wouldn't be here to contemplate it. ;-)
SB
Is this where we're supposed to cue the "You must be new here" joke? Sorry... please don't fire me....
SB
The more we ignore it, the quicker it will go away.
Dream on.
SB
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of philosophers were suddenly loop-locked. I feel something wonderful has happened.
SB
Pshaw. A 200KV cattle prod beats a sword. No blood, and makes it a lot easier to explain away the 'accident' ;-)
"Hey, ain't my fault he tried to prove to me that the database server power cable was dead."
SB
Sometimes I suspect that a lot of inexplicable card failures over the last, oh, 5 to 10 years have been due to shitty power supplies. DEER in particular and some others seemed to have power supplies with failure modes that would take out random cards on the bus (as well as other components). Likely not the only explanation but has probably contributed.
SB