"His" attitude may be morally right, but it's simply not realistic. If you seriously think it's that easy, I have some ocean front property in Wyoming to sell you:)
Thank you! I'd read the specifics on the Sasser worm a couple days ago, but my knowledge of more modern Win systems is becoming more obsolete by the day.
Does the built-in XP firewall deny port 445 by default?
I think I speak for most everyone here when I say that Darl should be made Ambassador to Bubba. A two or four year appointment will not be enough of a reward, either. A Lifetime appointment sounds just about right to me.
Let's not forget his partners, either. Sontag et al having been his advisors, they can just continue to advise him...
Possibly offtopic, but Novell buying Suse was what really convinced me of their intentions. Kudos to Novell! That was the best move they could have made. May their child processes grow to fruition.
Great post, mcc. I have a little more ammo to add to my anti-SCO folder...
This will greatly lower the odds of Windows ever being hit with worms of this size again...
Until another Sasser style vulnerability is exploited, yes. Sasser is relatively mild, and unless I'm mistaken about what I'm reading about it (possible, I don't run win systems anymore) it exploits something that you can't turn off without losing a lot of functionality (and security, apparently). With the variants running around it's just a matter of time unitl a worse one comes out.
I've been there also, and it's a fascinating place. It was a lot of fun to be able to talk to a couple of the scientists there - briefly:(
This page has some more info and a contact number. It's well worth a visit if you are in the area.
If you have time, don't forget the fishing pole, either - there is some fantastic fishing, canoeing and hiking in the area. Just go before the bug season starts, or you'll come back short a few pounds of flesh:)
I think it would probably be more accurate to say that GR will eventually be incorporated into a more complete theory, not superseded. GR has been tested to nine nines - Newtons theories were tested and found wanting, and GR has not been, indeed every more sophisticated test we can device confirms it to a deeper level.
IMO whatever is going is probably independent of GR and possibly related more to our poor understanding of how the universe is shaped and how that affects observations over large distances and deep time.
The should be concentrating on where that missing sock always goes when you do laundry at a laundromat. Find that, they'll probably find the missing matter. At least the research should be cheaper:)
Yeah, but are you sure they aren't acting at polar extremes? Perhaps they both have a relationship with Ray Tube....sounds like a prescription for a potential battery charge, to me.
I am also a retired rescue captain so I can state with some authority that Prius fundamental design is such that it would take a deliberate act of stupidity for a rescue technician to manage to make contact with both the positive AND negative high voltage leads at the same time since both are ground-isolated and separately encased in conduit.
As a retired rescue captain, I'm sure you also know what the Murphy Factor means...and how unpredictable the damage that could be done to one of these cars in, say, a 80ton TT meeting one of them side on could produce.
I'm not (and haven't in my previous posts) arguing against the safety records of these cars. However, I think that not educating rescue workers about the potential dangers is stupid. I'm sure you will understand that. Seems like a lot of the later posters are poohpoohing it.
My biggest fear in an accident is that the E-personnel are scared into paralysis by rumors, and don't rescue me.
Not likely. These people already take great risks. Ever dealt with an accident where someone is trapped in a vehicle that is mangled, on fire, in a ditch upside down, and could roll on you when you're trying to free the occupants?
Risk mitigation is part of their job. No matter how well done the engineering is, there is always the risk that they may encounter unexpected problems with it while trying to extricate a victim. For example, what if part of the HV wiring harness was severed during the impact and the relay didn't function properly?
It's the unexpected that usually kills.
It shouldn't be media paralysis corporate mongering FUD news, that I'll agree with. But rescue personnel should be well aware of the problems that they *could* face with the newer vehicles. Are you going to deny them that education? If so, then don't come to me asking how to rewire your home electrical system - I just might neglect to educate you about a safety point that, although I consider unlikely to happen, I still think is important.
Damn kids.
200v from a battery can kill you just as fast as 500v can if it's shorted directly from you something it's grounded to (and don't think that just because they are on their own closed circuit that it couldn't happen, either - First Rule of Dealing with High Voltage - NEVER ASSUME THAT WHAT YOU ARE TOUCHING ISN'T LIVE)
So... that makes it wrong that rescue personnel should be aware of ANY potential risks in dealing with the new hybrid cars?
It's not really that improbable that in a severe accident, the high voltage lines could be breached in such a way that could deliver current thru the frame or the body of the car - assuming sufficient metal - or thru the other electrical harnesses, although that's more improbable.
Just because it's unlikely is no reason to call it FUD. Improbable shit happens - people get killed that way every day.
I can't seem to find the comments you speak of; but I do think that the title of that article is extremely slanted:
Hybrid Cars May Send God's Electrical Wrath to Punish Oil-Hating Pinkos
Um, yeah. If the author of this was serious he could have chosen something a little less slanted, neh? That kind of journalistic license typically gets flamed into the bit-bucket here.
If I've missed something in that link, I apologize. But I'm seeing more FUD in what you were saying/linking to than in the original/. article.
What exactly were they trying to point out? I fail to understand it.
I know someone who pissed on an electric fence once at a barn party - it's not the radius of the flow, it's the continuity of the stream. He *did* get tingled (not badly) - and I don't care what Myth Busters (who?) say.
Test it! Go drink 3 beers in an hour and piss on a live fence.:) I guarantee you that you'll feel it. Briefly, but you will. The guy I was referring to said it felt like 9v on the tongue but somewhat more painful.
If getting shocked from pissing on an EF is being regarded as an urban legend, than there are some people who need enlightenment.
For fun sometime, though, take a fully charged battery (one you don't care about) and drop a short piece of angle iron across the terminals with the corner up. It's quite impressive - from a distance!*:)
SB
* This *can* cause the battery to explode...which is also impressive, as long as you are at least 30-40 feet away....
Yeah. I learned that later on after that experience (this was back in college 20yo when health insurance was just a wish list item)
I'm not sure about the irregular heartbeat, but I know I felt like shit for about a day afterwards - every nerve ending in my upper body was sensitive as hell, and I was beat-ass tired - it was sort of like having a severe upper-body sunburn. Can't sleep, can't stay awake.
The second or so during the actual shock felt like someone had lit my arms, shoulders and chest on fire. Couldn't breath, jerked spasmodically. Ow. Weird how that memory is so damned clear, the rest of that evening isn't quite so. They say the body doesn't remember pain, but mine sure as hell remembers that pain.
During college - couldn't afford health insurance, didn't bother to go to the hospital. My GF at the time was rather pissed at me for that, as I recall. Fortunately I was a very healthy horse, as the doctor put it at my next physical when I described the incident to him.
Lucky...though I'll admit the experience altered my brain patterns considerably (along the lines of 'Doh! You idiot!' *grin* ) It sure gave me a healthy respect for live lines...
Well, yes - but electric fences are designed that way. Can't be electrocuting the cattle or random farm kid now, can we?
It's not that you don't have the watts to bolster the V-A, it's that the supply is designed for only a short current pulse, not a continuous one. On a ground in the fence itself most of the current is shunted to the earth ground of the fence energizer.
Absolutely right. Body path is the real key - the values given there were mostly (I suspect) wrt to direct application to the heart. At least I hope so, I've received a lot of shocks at 12-24v+ & 200ma+ and gotten little other than a tingle. I've also been 110'ed a few times and a couple higher, but not cross body thank Bog!:) although one 220 across my hand left me with a couple nice burn scars, and hurt worse later on than at the time.
Actually the worst one I ever received was cross-body ?v at ?mA - from the spark plug wires on an older truck when I brushed my forearm against a couple wires - I was soaked to the skin, playing with the carburetor settings on an old Dodge truck. The plug wires were also soaked. Didn't knock me down but it hurt like hell for a second or so until my arm lost contact with the wires. The only place I was "grounded" was my other forearm resting on the edge of the engine compartment. Slight burns in both places where my bare arms were touching.
That one sucked a lot more than the couple of 110v I got. I went inside and quite literally had the twitches for a while. There is no sensation that is even slightly like it. In hindsight later that night I realized I should have known that the slight glow around the wiring was arcing along the wires due to the rain coating them. Those buggers have a lot of voltage running thru them. Learned a good lesson there, I did.
Long time ago, but I can still remember how much that one hurt...moral of the story is, don't fuck around a open engine compartment with the motor running when you and it are both soaked by rain:) Good thing I was pretty young, probably would kill me nowadays...
Don't tell me I'm a lucky bastard, I know it already...
It's the original prototype of Rama. There were a few small errors made during manufacturing, when it was decided they switch their base measuring units over.
It was sent off to our solar system anyway, as a warning to primitive space faring civilizations to triple check their numbers.
Wow. So am I - surprised that at least the refrigerator seals didn't catch on fire or melt. Or for that matter that the compressor didn't get hot enough to start spewing oil and catch.
Amazing.... was it an Amana?;)
I have a somewhat expensive small safe here that I use to store copies of stuff I want to access - but my primary safekeeping is in distribution (which reminds me...time to visit the bank again soon!). I think the only really safe way is offsite redundancy.
Not that I have that much - my truly important stuff is maybe 10 or 15 CDs worth. But I have LOADS of old backups, and I don't even know what's on half of them anymore...
but at a guess, and using reasonable compression, say avg 250mb/movie (few are truly full length) that's roughly 20/DVD, or 2000 movies - just a couple months.
Now if we were talking about *good* porn movies *grin*
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"His" attitude may be morally right, but it's simply not realistic. If you seriously think it's that easy, I have some ocean front property in Wyoming to sell you
SB
Um, no. Viagra enables a impotent man to have sex - not necessarily to reproduce. Viagra has no effect on sperm production.
SB
Yes.
Damn tho, that would hurt. Rhinos? He must be pretty horny...
SB
Thank you! I'd read the specifics on the Sasser worm a couple days ago, but my knowledge of more modern Win systems is becoming more obsolete by the day.
Does the built-in XP firewall deny port 445 by default?
SB
he should at least be made Ambassador to Iraq.
I think I speak for most everyone here when I say that Darl should be made Ambassador to Bubba. A two or four year appointment will not be enough of a reward, either. A Lifetime appointment sounds just about right to me.
Let's not forget his partners, either. Sontag et al having been his advisors, they can just continue to advise him...
SB
Those are Canadian geese flying north, you fool. Turn your monitor 90 degrees counterclockwise.
*grin*
SB
Possibly offtopic, but Novell buying Suse was what really convinced me of their intentions. Kudos to Novell! That was the best move they could have made. May their child processes grow to fruition.
Great post, mcc. I have a little more ammo to add to my anti-SCO folder...
Cheers!
SB
This will greatly lower the odds of Windows ever being hit with worms of this size again...
Until another Sasser style vulnerability is exploited, yes. Sasser is relatively mild, and unless I'm mistaken about what I'm reading about it (possible, I don't run win systems anymore) it exploits something that you can't turn off without losing a lot of functionality (and security, apparently). With the variants running around it's just a matter of time unitl a worse one comes out.
If I'm wrong about this, please tell me...
SB
Should have been in the Sunscreen song:
"Live in Northern Minnesota once, but leave before you are cold enough that you will your body to research physicists to make liquid hydrogen."
Been there, done that. More than a year later I'm still trying to get the cold out of my bones...
SB
I've been there also, and it's a fascinating place. It was a lot of fun to be able to talk to a couple of the scientists there - briefly :(
:)
This page has some more info and a contact number. It's well worth a visit if you are in the area.
If you have time, don't forget the fishing pole, either - there is some fantastic fishing, canoeing and hiking in the area. Just go before the bug season starts, or you'll come back short a few pounds of flesh
SB
I think it would probably be more accurate to say that GR will eventually be incorporated into a more complete theory, not superseded. GR has been tested to nine nines - Newtons theories were tested and found wanting, and GR has not been, indeed every more sophisticated test we can device confirms it to a deeper level.
IMO whatever is going is probably independent of GR and possibly related more to our poor understanding of how the universe is shaped and how that affects observations over large distances and deep time.
Ob: IANAPP
SB
The should be concentrating on where that missing sock always goes when you do laundry at a laundromat. Find that, they'll probably find the missing matter. At least the research should be cheaper
SB
Yeah, but are you sure they aren't acting at polar extremes? Perhaps they both have a relationship with Ray Tube....sounds like a prescription for a potential battery charge, to me.
SB
I am also a retired rescue captain so I can state with some authority that Prius fundamental design is such that it would take a deliberate act of stupidity for a rescue technician to manage to make contact with both the positive AND negative high voltage leads at the same time since both are ground-isolated and separately encased in conduit.
As a retired rescue captain, I'm sure you also know what the Murphy Factor means...and how unpredictable the damage that could be done to one of these cars in, say, a 80ton TT meeting one of them side on could produce.
I'm not (and haven't in my previous posts) arguing against the safety records of these cars. However, I think that not educating rescue workers about the potential dangers is stupid. I'm sure you will understand that. Seems like a lot of the later posters are poohpoohing it.
Bah
SB
My biggest fear in an accident is that the E-personnel are scared into paralysis by rumors, and don't rescue me.
Not likely. These people already take great risks. Ever dealt with an accident where someone is trapped in a vehicle that is mangled, on fire, in a ditch upside down, and could roll on you when you're trying to free the occupants?
Risk mitigation is part of their job. No matter how well done the engineering is, there is always the risk that they may encounter unexpected problems with it while trying to extricate a victim. For example, what if part of the HV wiring harness was severed during the impact and the relay didn't function properly?
It's the unexpected that usually kills.
It shouldn't be media paralysis corporate mongering FUD news, that I'll agree with. But rescue personnel should be well aware of the problems that they *could* face with the newer vehicles. Are you going to deny them that education? If so, then don't come to me asking how to rewire your home electrical system - I just might neglect to educate you about a safety point that, although I consider unlikely to happen, I still think is important.
Damn kids.
200v from a battery can kill you just as fast as 500v can if it's shorted directly from you something it's grounded to (and don't think that just because they are on their own closed circuit that it couldn't happen, either - First Rule of Dealing with High Voltage - NEVER ASSUME THAT WHAT YOU ARE TOUCHING ISN'T LIVE)
Damn, man!
SB
So... that makes it wrong that rescue personnel should be aware of ANY potential risks in dealing with the new hybrid cars?
/. article.
It's not really that improbable that in a severe accident, the high voltage lines could be breached in such a way that could deliver current thru the frame or the body of the car - assuming sufficient metal - or thru the other electrical harnesses, although that's more improbable.
Just because it's unlikely is no reason to call it FUD. Improbable shit happens - people get killed that way every day.
I can't seem to find the comments you speak of; but I do think that the title of that article is extremely slanted:
Hybrid Cars May Send God's Electrical Wrath to Punish Oil-Hating Pinkos
Um, yeah. If the author of this was serious he could have chosen something a little less slanted, neh? That kind of journalistic license typically gets flamed into the bit-bucket here.
If I've missed something in that link, I apologize. But I'm seeing more FUD in what you were saying/linking to than in the original
SB
What exactly were they trying to point out? I fail to understand it.
I know someone who pissed on an electric fence once at a barn party - it's not the radius of the flow, it's the continuity of the stream. He *did* get tingled (not badly) - and I don't care what Myth Busters (who?) say.
Test it! Go drink 3 beers in an hour and piss on a live fence.
If getting shocked from pissing on an EF is being regarded as an urban legend, than there are some people who need enlightenment.
SB
Hee! Done that a few times myself :) 12v can bite!
:)
For fun sometime, though, take a fully charged battery (one you don't care about) and drop a short piece of angle iron across the terminals with the corner up. It's quite impressive - from a distance!*
SB
* This *can* cause the battery to explode...which is also impressive, as long as you are at least 30-40 feet away....
Yeah. I learned that later on after that experience (this was back in college 20yo when health insurance was just a wish list item)
I'm not sure about the irregular heartbeat, but I know I felt like shit for about a day afterwards - every nerve ending in my upper body was sensitive as hell, and I was beat-ass tired - it was sort of like having a severe upper-body sunburn. Can't sleep, can't stay awake.
The second or so during the actual shock felt like someone had lit my arms, shoulders and chest on fire. Couldn't breath, jerked spasmodically. Ow. Weird how that memory is so damned clear, the rest of that evening isn't quite so. They say the body doesn't remember pain, but mine sure as hell remembers that pain.
During college - couldn't afford health insurance, didn't bother to go to the hospital. My GF at the time was rather pissed at me for that, as I recall. Fortunately I was a very healthy horse, as the doctor put it at my next physical when I described the incident to him.
Lucky...though I'll admit the experience altered my brain patterns considerably (along the lines of 'Doh! You idiot!' *grin* ) It sure gave me a healthy respect for live lines...
SB
Well, yes - but electric fences are designed that way. Can't be electrocuting the cattle or random farm kid now, can we?
It's not that you don't have the watts to bolster the V-A, it's that the supply is designed for only a short current pulse, not a continuous one. On a ground in the fence itself most of the current is shunted to the earth ground of the fence energizer.
AFAIUI, anyway.
SB
Absolutely right. Body path is the real key - the values given there were mostly (I suspect) wrt to direct application to the heart. At least I hope so, I've received a lot of shocks at 12-24v+ & 200ma+ and gotten little other than a tingle. I've also been 110'ed a few times and a couple higher, but not cross body thank Bog! :) although one 220 across my hand left me with a couple nice burn scars, and hurt worse later on than at the time.
:) Good thing I was pretty young, probably would kill me nowadays...
Actually the worst one I ever received was cross-body ?v at ?mA - from the spark plug wires on an older truck when I brushed my forearm against a couple wires - I was soaked to the skin, playing with the carburetor settings on an old Dodge truck. The plug wires were also soaked. Didn't knock me down but it hurt like hell for a second or so until my arm lost contact with the wires. The only place I was "grounded" was my other forearm resting on the edge of the engine compartment. Slight burns in both places where my bare arms were touching.
That one sucked a lot more than the couple of 110v I got. I went inside and quite literally had the twitches for a while. There is no sensation that is even slightly like it. In hindsight later that night I realized I should have known that the slight glow around the wiring was arcing along the wires due to the rain coating them. Those buggers have a lot of voltage running thru them. Learned a good lesson there, I did.
Long time ago, but I can still remember how much that one hurt...moral of the story is, don't fuck around a open engine compartment with the motor running when you and it are both soaked by rain
Don't tell me I'm a lucky bastard, I know it already...
SB
It's the original prototype of Rama. There were a few small errors made during manufacturing, when it was decided they switch their base measuring units over.
It was sent off to our solar system anyway, as a warning to primitive space faring civilizations to triple check their numbers.
SB
Wow. So am I - surprised that at least the refrigerator seals didn't catch on fire or melt. Or for that matter that the compressor didn't get hot enough to start spewing oil and catch.
Amazing.... was it an Amana?
I have a somewhat expensive small safe here that I use to store copies of stuff I want to access - but my primary safekeeping is in distribution (which reminds me...time to visit the bank again soon!). I think the only really safe way is offsite redundancy.
Not that I have that much - my truly important stuff is maybe 10 or 15 CDs worth. But I have LOADS of old backups, and I don't even know what's on half of them anymore...
Cheers!
SB
Well, it was supposed to be funny
but at a guess, and using reasonable compression, say avg 250mb/movie (few are truly full length) that's roughly 20/DVD, or 2000 movies - just a couple months.
Now if we were talking about *good* porn movies *grin*
SB
Depends on how you define *hot*....
SB