Counterstrike is the only reasonable answer to it. But cold blooded counterstrike, after you figure out who is at fault, making sure that as little innocent people as possible are hurt. I am not a US citizen either, but I want them safely dead. Otherwise those guys will regard any kindness as sign of weakness and will keep pressing on.
>Let me think about this...
>We have a turboprop plane at least 5 times the >size of a fighter with waaay less power.
>And then we have a fighter plane... light, built >for manueverability and control for dogfights.
Not at speed of turboprop. Fighters have are more manueverable at high speeds. Russians had trouble
controlling similar turboprops at Russian Far East before appearence of Su-27 with much better low-speed handling then MiG-21. Chineese fighter was a modern development of MiG-21.
BTW, US fighters also pretty often flew dangerously close to Russian bombers or spy planes in international waters very close to *SOVIET SHORES*.
Yeah, sure. You guys built the stuff we could not (find out how much FGB replacement would cost and why US still can not build crew return vehicle) and now please step aside and let serious folks stay in control. And we will tell you which crew to send to ISS, who should run Russian Space Agency and which president you should elect.
If this is US attitude, I'd say --- screw it. I hope russians will have guts just undock russian modules (propulsion and life support) and watch remainder of ISS slowly drift into Pacific. And if US wants to send some astronaut to the Russian half make them pay $20 millions/person.
A joke, of course. You can not really undock it easily.
But even if Russia is not a superpower anymore (what a relief actually --- no need to care about rights of Mumba-Yumba religious minorities in South Pacific, for example), it does not mean it should not be treated as a partner.
Please remember --- there would not be ISS without Russia --- it almost got killed on Capitol Hill in 1993 and Russian contribution was the only reason to save it. Which can not be said about Canada, Japan, Italy or any other country (with all due respect to Canadian robot arm designers, unsurpassed by anyone and other fine folks from other countries). While without USA, ESA and Japan Russia could build Mir-2 (after all, Russian modules for ISS were designed for Mir-2) and have its own space station not so capable as ISS but where they would be able to send anyone without NASA being able to say anything.
Sure monetary contribution from Russia is lower then US, but things look very different if you consider amount of hardware. So whose fault it is if Russian aerospace workers are more productive? And no, lower salaries do not explain everything. They indeed spend much less hours for the same job. Compare time needed to prepare Zenit (Sea Launch) and Titan-IV, for example. Would you count Titan launch equivalent to launch of 8 Protons because it costs that much or equivalent to launch of 1 Proton because payload to LEO is pretty close?
About delays. Russia is going through crisis much worse then US in thirties. Still delays for Russian hardware were just couple of months longer then for US hardware while US was going through one of the highest economical booms in its history. At some point Boeing started to
worry that if Russian modules are not delayed any longer the software delays for Node 1 will become evident for public, because US would have to ask Russia to postpone its launch.
Looks like the least reliable partner at this point is US who was recently planning to significantly cut its contribution.
Tito, BTW, had more training then John Glenn unless you count 40 years old experience.
Tell me why I have to defend american in front of other americans who call him incompetent moron?
Strangely enough, similar was tried recently (unmanned) --- search info for Fregat upper stage recovery experiment this year. It was partially successful. The technology needs debugging, but it works.
http://www.spaceviews.com/2000/02/15a.html
It was even featured on Slashdot:-)
Skydiving from 100000 feets is peanuts in comparison --- the speed is only 1.5M rather then 30M.
Interestibgly enough, two ISS modules are already built and launched by Russia. One of them (FGB), however, was paid by U.S. To date this is the only piece of equipment delivered on schedule (yes, US modules are late too, but fortunately for them Russians are late even more).
Why Russia in its current situation is doing this and still taking all this crap for not contributing to ISS is beyond me.
This database is created by private company (MOST), not KGB/FSB. However, many of this company employees are former KGB officers. The head of the company, Mr. Gusinsky, is now taking heat for this and some other activities he was involved in. Unfortunately, any attempt to curb him is interpreted as an "attack on free speech" in US media.
So I guess, goverment is not the only organization that is after your privacy. Of course, it could never happen in US. Yeah, right.....
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It is *NOT* *OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY*.
And if you do not like Chechen war, please remind me what happened last time when slave owning states decided to succeed from US.
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>In many ways, it appears that the problem with >"rogue nations" around the world - countries like >Iraq who "peacefully" >invade others, or countries like Serbia or Russia >who are hunting down "terrorists" in other >countries,...
Last time I checked news, it was USA who are hunting "terrorists" in other countries.
The idea was not that dumb, actually. It was a way to demonstrate that the space probe indeed reached the moon which was not easy in those day. Until now some people are unconvinced that Apollo reached the moon --- Moon rocks, videos, radio signals received from the Moon by everyone and his uncle apparently not enough.
BTW, USSR had similar project which, thankfully, also died.
From data on nucleosynthesis (thermonuclear reaction hydrogen-> deuterium, tritium, helium, lithium and a little bit of other stuff) and from recent Boomerang data we know that most of the mass in Universe is not in hydrogen or other baryonic matter. It is a simple argument, actually. If density of gas is high, thermonuclear reactions would go much faster and isotopes that are fast to be consumed (deutherium, Helium3) would not survive to our time. But there exist deuterium and other fast burning isotopes in interstellar gas. Therefore, there were not enough gas to account for all mass in the Universe. See this link for details. There is other evidence as well for dark matter that is not hydrogen or other baryonic gas. Hey, I wrote it right this time --- baryons;-)
Actually it is not thousand time more expensive then coal --- only slightly more. The reason nuclear energy is more expensive is because nuclear power station have to meet much more strict restrictions on emission of radioactive elements then coal ones. If coal power stations were required to emit as little radioactive elements as nuclear ones, coal power would be more expensive. Coal power stations in US emit about 2000 tons of torium and 800 tons of uranium yearly.
Let me chime in as a member of competing team (http://topweb.gsfc.nasa.gov) that did not make it on time to get all the credit.
This is the great result, comparable only to discovery of microwave background radiation in 1965 and first detection of CMBR anisotropy by COBE in 1992. It tells us much more then flatness of the Universe. From the results of this and followup experiments (ours will be somewhat more precise when we finally do it) it will be possible to find how much of the matter in the universe is barionic (composed of protons, neutrons and electrons) as opposed to stuff we have no idea about, which is probably contains up to 90-95% of the mass of the Universe. It will be possible to measure often mentioned energy of vacuum (do not count on using it --- not only it is low, it is also unextractable). Boomerang already a strong evidence in favor of inflation --- a strange theory, describing how most of matter in the universe was created from nothing, just because its positive rest energy was compensated by negative gravitational energy, so that total energy of the flat universe was and remains zero (this is how you create the whole Universe from nothing without violating the law of energy conservation). Future experiments will tell us more about how inflation happened and what kinds of fields and particles are responcible for it. We definetly will learn new things about fields and particles at energies far above what can be achieved in accelerators.
We live in interesting times.
BTW, read http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm --- it is a good introduction to cosmology.
0g industries unfortunately did not live up to the hype. Not because something is wrong with a concept, but because it takes such an enormous time to wait for your turn to do an experiment. There is no evidence that ISS with its enormous cost will make such an experiment easier compared to current Shuttle. Can you imagine through how many layers of red tape you will have to cut before your experiment is approved for such expensive laboratory as ISS? Can you imagine how much time will it take? Meanwhile, test-correct-test again cycle on the Earth is much shorter and costs are much lower. This is why you can do thing on Earth now that were considered possible only in 0g.
And, BTW, ISS 0g enviroment is not likely to be that hot compared to free flying unmanned platforms.
Mars: there has been a huge progress in designing Mars missions. Check Zubrin Mars Direct or new Nasa reference plan (loosely based on Zubrin plan). It is much easier then seemed 10 years ago.
Finally, ISS is completely useless as staging area for Moon or Mars flights. Not only it will be in wrong orbit, it does not have any facilities (docking, fueling, etc...) for such a misssion.
You do not understand. If he is Russian, he, of course, works with blessing of the Goverment. If he were American, he, certainly, would be an individual.
Incidentally, how exectly they figured out this guy is Russian? His own claim or what?
You are right, the plane of orbit is indeed rotates at the same rate as the earth's period around the sun. Sorry for not writing it in a way that is easier to understand. Not sure about Ikonos, but it is *POSSIBLE* to choose an orbit when a satellite will pass each point at let's say 9am and 9pm.
Think security through obscurity. It does not work.
In Soviet Union it was impossible to get a decent map of *ANY* area. The intention was to keep good maps from spies. Only high ranking officials would be able to get detailed maps. The nasty side effect of this was that invading German army had much better maps then Russian low ranking commanders. With predictable consequences.
I bet Ikonos will not sell you pictures of "sensitive" areas in US. But I also bet that it would be better if they did.
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Counterstrike is the only reasonable answer to it. But cold blooded counterstrike, after you figure out who is at fault, making sure that as little innocent people as possible are hurt. I am not a US citizen either, but I want them safely dead. Otherwise those guys will regard any kindness as sign of weakness and will keep pressing on.
This experiment is done by Russians on Planetary Society money.
NASA is not anywere in a picture.
> Good for them. I'm glad to know that when our
:-)
>guys are acting like jackasses they at least are
>careful enough not to hit someone else.
Actually, often they were not.
Sometimes US fighters came back badly damaged after collision. OTOH, no Russian bomber ever landed at US aircraft carrier
>Let me think about this...
>We have a turboprop plane at least 5 times the >size of a fighter with waaay less power.
>And then we have a fighter plane... light, built >for manueverability and control for dogfights.
Not at speed of turboprop. Fighters have are more manueverable at high speeds. Russians had trouble
controlling similar turboprops at Russian Far East before appearence of Su-27 with much better low-speed handling then MiG-21. Chineese fighter was a modern development of MiG-21.
BTW, US fighters also pretty often flew dangerously close to Russian bombers or spy planes in international waters very close to *SOVIET SHORES*.
Yeah, sure. You guys built the stuff we could not (find out how much FGB replacement would cost and why US still can not build crew return vehicle) and now please step aside and let serious folks stay in control. And we will tell you which crew to send to ISS, who should run Russian Space Agency and which president you should elect.
If this is US attitude, I'd say --- screw it. I hope russians will have guts just undock russian modules (propulsion and life support) and watch remainder of ISS slowly drift into Pacific. And if US wants to send some astronaut to the Russian half make them pay $20 millions/person.
A joke, of course. You can not really undock it easily.
But even if Russia is not a superpower anymore (what a relief actually --- no need to care about rights of Mumba-Yumba religious minorities in South Pacific, for example), it does not mean it should not be treated as a partner.
Please remember --- there would not be ISS without Russia --- it almost got killed on Capitol Hill in 1993 and Russian contribution was the only reason to save it. Which can not be said about Canada, Japan, Italy or any other country (with all due respect to Canadian robot arm designers, unsurpassed by anyone and other fine folks from other countries). While without USA, ESA and Japan Russia could build Mir-2 (after all, Russian modules for ISS were designed for Mir-2) and have its own space station not so capable as ISS but where they would be able to send anyone without NASA being able to say anything.
Sure monetary contribution from Russia is lower then US, but things look very different if you consider amount of hardware. So whose fault it is if Russian aerospace workers are more productive? And no, lower salaries do not explain everything. They indeed spend much less hours for the same job. Compare time needed to prepare Zenit (Sea Launch) and Titan-IV, for example. Would you count Titan launch equivalent to launch of 8 Protons because it costs that much or equivalent to launch of 1 Proton because payload to LEO is pretty close?
About delays. Russia is going through crisis much worse then US in thirties. Still delays for Russian hardware were just couple of months longer then for US hardware while US was going through one of the highest economical booms in its history. At some point Boeing started to
worry that if Russian modules are not delayed any longer the software delays for Node 1 will become evident for public, because US would have to ask Russia to postpone its launch.
Looks like the least reliable partner at this point is US who was recently planning to significantly cut its contribution.
Tito, BTW, had more training then John Glenn unless you count 40 years old experience.
Tell me why I have to defend american in front of other americans who call him incompetent moron?
>BTW, would that be the same imperialistic military that is currently preventing cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo?
You mean someone is preventing ethnic cleansing of Serbs by Albanians? This is news to me...
Strangely enough, similar was tried recently (unmanned) --- search info for Fregat upper stage recovery experiment this year. It was partially successful. The technology needs debugging, but it works.
:-)
http://www.spaceviews.com/2000/02/15a.html
It was even featured on Slashdot
Skydiving from 100000 feets is peanuts in comparison --- the speed is only 1.5M rather then 30M.
Interestibgly enough, two ISS modules are already built and launched by Russia. One of them (FGB), however, was paid by U.S. To date this is the only piece of equipment delivered on schedule (yes, US modules are late too, but fortunately for them Russians are late even more). Why Russia in its current situation is doing this and still taking all this crap for not contributing to ISS is beyond me.
This is what I am using:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pybliographer
This database is created by private company (MOST), not KGB/FSB. However, many of this company employees are former KGB officers. The head of the company, Mr. Gusinsky, is now taking heat for this and some other activities he was involved in. Unfortunately, any attempt to curb him is interpreted as an "attack on free speech" in US media.
So I guess, goverment is not the only organization that is after your privacy. Of course, it could never happen in US. Yeah, right.....
It is *NOT* *OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY*.
And if you do not like Chechen war, please remind me what happened last time when slave owning states decided to succeed from US.
>In many ways, it appears that the problem with >"rogue nations" around the world - countries like >Iraq who "peacefully" ...
>invade others, or countries like Serbia or Russia >who are hunting down "terrorists" in other >countries,
Last time I checked news, it was USA who are hunting "terrorists" in other countries.
The idea was not that dumb, actually. It was a way to demonstrate that the space probe indeed reached the moon which was not easy in those day. Until now some people are unconvinced that Apollo reached the moon --- Moon rocks, videos, radio signals received from the Moon by everyone and his uncle apparently not enough.
BTW, USSR had similar project which, thankfully, also died.
Right.
From data on nucleosynthesis (thermonuclear reaction hydrogen-> deuterium, tritium, helium, lithium and a little bit of other stuff) and from recent Boomerang data we know that most of the mass in Universe is not in hydrogen or other baryonic matter. It is a simple argument, actually. If density of gas is high, thermonuclear reactions would go much faster and isotopes that are fast to be consumed (deutherium, Helium3) would not survive to our time. But there exist deuterium and other fast burning isotopes in interstellar gas. Therefore, there were not enough gas to account for all mass in the Universe. See this link for details. There is other evidence as well for dark matter that is not hydrogen or other baryonic gas. Hey, I wrote it right this time --- baryons ;-)
Actually it is not thousand time more expensive then coal --- only slightly more. The reason nuclear energy is more expensive is because nuclear power station have to meet much more strict restrictions on emission of radioactive elements then coal ones. If coal power stations were required to emit as little radioactive elements as nuclear ones, coal power would be more expensive. Coal power stations in US emit about 2000 tons of torium and 800 tons of uranium yearly.
Sorry, you are right. I'll type it 1000 times to remember --- baryons, baryons, .... :-)
Let me chime in as a member of competing team (http://topweb.gsfc.nasa.gov) that did not make it on time to get all the credit.
This is the great result, comparable only to discovery of microwave background radiation in 1965 and first detection of CMBR anisotropy by COBE in 1992. It tells us much more then flatness of the Universe. From the results of this and followup experiments (ours will be somewhat more precise when we finally do it) it will be possible to find how much of the matter in the universe is barionic (composed of protons, neutrons and electrons) as opposed to stuff we have no idea about, which is probably contains up to 90-95% of the mass of the Universe. It will be possible to measure often mentioned energy of vacuum (do not count on using it --- not only it is low, it is also unextractable). Boomerang already a strong evidence in favor of inflation --- a strange theory, describing how most of matter in the universe was created from nothing, just because its positive rest energy was compensated by negative gravitational energy, so that total energy of the flat universe was and remains zero (this is how you create the whole Universe from nothing without violating the law of energy conservation). Future experiments will tell us more about how inflation happened and what kinds of fields and particles are responcible for it. We definetly will learn new things about fields and particles at energies far above what can be achieved in accelerators.
We live in interesting times.
BTW, read http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm --- it is a good introduction to cosmology.
If you think it is funny, Pepsi filmed ads on Mir. The next Proton launching ISS module will have big Pizza Hut ad. :-)
Let me respectfully disagree with you.
0g industries unfortunately did not live up to the hype. Not because something is wrong with a concept, but because it takes such an enormous time to wait for your turn to do an experiment. There is no evidence that ISS with its enormous cost will make such an experiment easier compared to current Shuttle. Can you imagine through how many layers of red tape you will have to cut before your experiment is approved for such expensive laboratory as ISS? Can you imagine how much time will it take? Meanwhile, test-correct-test again cycle on the Earth is much shorter and costs are much lower. This is why you can do thing on Earth now that were considered possible only in 0g.
And, BTW, ISS 0g enviroment is not likely to be that hot compared to free flying unmanned platforms.
Mars: there has been a huge progress in designing Mars missions. Check Zubrin Mars Direct or new Nasa reference plan (loosely based on Zubrin plan). It is much easier then seemed 10 years ago.
Finally, ISS is completely useless as staging area for Moon or Mars flights. Not only it will be in wrong orbit, it does not have any facilities (docking, fueling, etc...) for such a misssion.
There are two serious reasons to respect deadlines in this business:
1) celestial mechanics
2) money. Paying all the staff for two more years (waiting for the next launch opportunity) is hideously expensive.
You do not understand. If he is Russian, he, of course, works with blessing of the Goverment. If he were American, he, certainly, would be an individual.
Incidentally, how exectly they figured out this guy is Russian? His own claim or what?
You are right, the plane of orbit is indeed rotates at the same rate as the earth's period around the sun. Sorry for not writing it in a way that is easier to understand. Not sure about Ikonos, but it is *POSSIBLE* to choose an orbit when a satellite will pass each point at let's say 9am and 9pm.
Think security through obscurity. It does not work.
In Soviet Union it was impossible to get a decent map of *ANY* area. The intention was to keep good maps from spies. Only high ranking officials would be able to get detailed maps. The nasty side effect of this was that invading German army had much better maps then Russian low ranking commanders. With predictable consequences.
I bet Ikonos will not sell you pictures of "sensitive" areas in US. But I also bet that it would be better if they did.