4. The people who do know about DRM or any new formats have sworn to never use them.
How surprising. Almost as surprising as the fact that the industry is doing everything they can to keep the DRM-issue out of the public. People like owning things, owning them for real, just admit it. It's not that hard?
Subversion is the keyword here. Not to be a zealous troll, but the only way this thing can be put to work, is trough subversion.
What does that tell you about the basics of this technology?
Sorry, but you missed the point. It's not the transfer that they want to secure, it's the sharing they want to eliminate.
I think the main point here is to repeal this defintion of "secure". If every tech-writer reading slashdot started referring to these files as "restricted" files and the methods used as "restricting" (as opposed to securing), I think we can come a long way.
"Securing" the files and transfers almost sound good you know. However enforcing "restrictions" sounds quite borderlining to criminal, if you ask me. But IANAL and I don't know trade-laws and trade-treaties.
Oh. And it only takes one guy to break the encryption and it's all useless. Anyone have the odds on that not happening?
They will hardcode future motherboard BIOS-es to load only Certified Operating System
This is utter nonsense and I guess this has been repealed quite a few times, but I'll take the time to debunk this myself as well.
Future BIOSes might deny uncertified OSes to access the TCPA trusted mode, and thus disable the ability to run TCPA enabled software. It will not make the x86-platform a Windows-only platform. Claiming such sheer stupidity is, well quite frankly, stupid.
Between the facts and your ignorant claim, there are lightyears of difference. And that you actually got moded "interesting" for this... The moderators are still clueless, I guess.
Yes, TCPA is evil, but we don't have to resort to lies to defeat it, do we?
and i'm pretty sure that other OSes won't be outlawed anytime soon.
Erm... Are you that sure?:)
Really. In the DVD-Jon (argh, I hate that handle!) DeCSS-case in norwegian criminal court, Linux was referred to as a "hacker os". No big news here, and any hacker will claim the same, but I guess governments and hackers define the word "hacker" rather differently.
Ask any government official, and he will firmly claim that a "hacker" is a criminal. Outlawing tools which may assists criminals, is catching on like nothing else these days, so I'll just say "beware".
If we allow big buisness to define the language (as we more or less are doing now), don't be suprprised when even current laws start outlawing things in a totally unreasonable manner.
/No tinfoil hat, but it's allways best to take precautions.
If you do have longhorn, the file conversion tools are unsighned code. So you can't run them.
As far as I know the TCPA specs, Longhorn won't stop you from running unisgned code.
TCPA will stop you from allowing unsigned code to access trusted mode and trusted keys.
There is no way TCPA can prevent you from bruteforcing the key, or even aquirering them by using a Un-TCPAed bootfloppy (w/some possibly necassery bruteforcers as well....)
This might not be as easy as DeCSS, but saying Longhorn won't run unsigned code at all is just plain stupid.
You think Microsoft will dear to break backward compatebility that bad? Nobody will upgrade, regardless of pressure, if it means that all other software will have to go, and Microsoft knows this.
So stop misinterpeting things, and repeating stupid, groundless claims. Get a tinfoil hat, and get rid of your fullcover tinfoil body-suit.
Whatever swapping scheme is used in Windows, I do not know, and I don't care what it's called either.
What I can't despice, is the fact that I got >300MB free physical memory, and 20MB of the kernel is still swapped. Result? Do this, do that (any minor thing) and you have to wait for it to swap in.
In the end, I have never ever seen a Windows-system without a partially swapped kernel, even with tons of free RAM available.
This is just plain stupid, or is there some sort of "smart" explanation for this?
I, for once, would hate having to turn off virtual memory, just to have the system kernel loaded at all times.... And GOD BE DAMNED if Linux takes the stame stupid design-decision.
Lawyer: Thats not the question I asked, has your service ever been hacked?
ISP: yes, but...
Lawyer: then it's entirely possible that the logs were changed
This argument goes all ways.
If anything like this should ever be "accepted" evidence, it can "prove" more or less anything. With a so convincing argument, why don't we slam just about any evil criminal with a netconnection for pedophily, murder, terrorism and treason while we're at it?
Just to make sure they do proper time I mean. We got the legeal means....
But it is dangerous to engender a disrespect for the law.
Says who? Disrespect for unjust laws or unjust lawenforcement is a necessity for a working democracy.
If you allow unjust laws to go by without any fight, you open democracy for abuse. Disrespecting "the right" laws is healthy for a society as whole in the long term.
And, no, I am not a commie-hippie. I'm a so called rational anarchist. That may sound like a self-contradiction, but as long as we got a democracy, I want it working.
Not to be cynical, but they allready has it both ways. Somehow I don't think they'll try to amend any sense in order to rebalance this, just to benefit their customers. But that's just me.
It was mainly an awesome failure for the stupid kids.
The so called "War on drugs" is the biggest failure ever. Trying to control how people use their own fscking bodies is simply the most obscure idea ever concieved. And trying to enforce it "zero tolerance"-style is true madness.
However, people are brainwashed that drugs are "evil", thus fighting drug-users is a good thing(tm). You know what? Assuming people who use "drugs" is stupid, is just plain stupidity in itself.
What do you know about drugs? Have you read it somewhere or do you truly know it? (I.e. have you used any yourself?). Not only stupid people use drugs. It just happens that some stupid people fuck up on drugs. People are more than their drugs, believe it or not.
But there's more. Some people are alchoholics.
Just because stupid people drink beer, doesn't make beerdrinking is stupid.
Drugs or beer, there's this subtle difference between a user and abuser. People just tend to take notice of abusers somehow. I for once, would rather share company with a pothead than an alchoholic, but that's just me.
Hey! Lighten up, watch some Bill Hicks DVDs!:)
Some things are clearly more than black and white if you look into them. If you truly got this black'n'white view of drugs, you too have been brainwashed.
Just like this amazing RIAA-endorsed "education" is brainwashing, and brainwashking is bad regardsless.
Why bother with encryption? Just set up some phony malformed files (and keep your mp3s rared whatever) and share all your bandwidths worth.
The system is supposed to work on audio-finger printing. I can imagine how easy a system like this could be DOSed. Now imagine all P2P users worldwide doing this (P2P-app prepares this stuff). It'd be the biggest DDOS of all time.
This censorship mayhem is so ambitious it's bound to fail.
Those anti-piracy clips before movies annoy me so much! I hate being subjected to that despite the fact that I just paid for my ticket. -- I am your customer, not your enemy--treat me as such.
Don't forget DVDs. Buy a DVD and you are forced to watch 15 seconds of "FBI says copying DVDs is illegal"-crap. Didn't I just buy your product?!? Wankers.
That list was probably as wonderfully pollictically corrent in every RIAA way possible. And crappy as hell.
Just one important fact: Just because you believe that people aren't paying up, doesn't make it so.
0-day exists, so what? I download mostly old stuff, things the shops won't order in, unless asked for and bought. Jazz and funk from anything between the 1940s and the 1970s.
Stuff that should have been in the public domain a long fscking time ago, mind you.
Oh, and if I like it I buy it. Ooohh, imagine that. Your "I'm paying up, everybody else is a freeloading P.O.S."-theory doesn't add up. Now imagine that your theory is just figments of your very own imagination, relax, and realize you are not the only person on the planet paying for music. Most people actually do. Wow.
Someone buys more when exposed to more music, someone buys less when exposed to free music and someone else really couldn't have spent a dime on music in the first place (it's called poverty). What losses do this add up to? I would guess nill.
And if you take a look beyond the whining of the recording industry, you will see that they are fudging the numbers. Their business have never been better. They are releasing fever records than ever, yet selling more per release. Believe me, they are making a living allright.
The only product in decline is the cd-single. Which never really offered any value for money anyway. That's the free market for you.
So shut your self-indulgent mouth, please. Asshat.
Or to cite South park: "If you download music of the internet, these artists will be forced to live lifes of only semi-luxary". Gotta love that one, even if I proably didn't cite it correctly at all.
Yes. RIAA er lying, filthy thieves. They steal from all of us every single day that goes by.
What I am talking about? The public domain. They have effectively stolen the public domain, and now they are stealing our rights.
I think "killing in self defense" should be a reasonable aproach to any **AA executive from now on. A reasonable judge should find that fully justified.
You missed the point. What I think he was trying to say was that the information in the scrambled signal and the unscrambled signal is exactly the same.
The compression of the information has nothing to do with the scrambling of the information.
And, since you are kind enough to bring it about, according to general information-theory, the information in the compressed signal and the decompressed signal is exactly the same. (I.e. no actual information is added in the decompression process.)
But that is besides the point, and if you know your theory, you should know so. I'll call your theoretical bluff, and calls for double miss with decoys attached.
I can't believe this isn't moded up. If they, the content industry, want (and they do) total and bulletproof security, any handling of the encryption keys will be pretty restrictive as well.
And I can't remember anyone I know (none business-wise) ever backing up their system. Guess if DRM hits on, there will be a consumer backlash against it when these problems starts to arise.
Unless tech support geeks, as some of us, just go along with the old "Jeez. You haven't done that?!? No wonder you lost your data/media, your fault. Go away." and by those means make it a user-problem instead of a technology problem.
Which in the end is what it really is. It is probihitive-technology. It is in it's very nature and purpose a disabling technology.
But yeah. I can see that tech-support bummer legitimising DRM. It can happen just easily...
Oh, what georgious pessismism. I, like many others, have totally lost faith in politics. However, I allways get the to hear that "If I don't vote, I'm not entitled to complain". Bullshit.
I like to call myself a free person. I respect just laws, and I break those laws which I can't find any reasonable justification for. As I don't cause any harm to others by this (I am after all, quite a nice guy), this haven't lead to any problems so far.
Ignore the law as much as you want. Then you are truly free. Just be discrete and don't make hell for others. And your freedom will go unnoticed.
Here in Norway everyone expects the price presented to be including all taxes. It is the cost for you as a consumer which interests you, so why would you want to know any other price at all?
Try not including taxes in your advertised prices, and you probably will be accused of fraud or misinformation. Unless it is specificly noted that the prices are untaxed, which still is an unusual practice here anyway.
I have seen this practice (w/taxes) in every single country I have visited in Europe (Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France and Holland). I admit freely I haven't been traveling alot, but I have yet to see a country where the norm is to announce prices wo/taxes. Too me, that's just plain stupid and misleading.
Well, this might come as a shock to you, but I'll cite some examples:
Some people will get an iPod, rather than any competitor, simply because it is the smoothest looker.
Some people will buy a TV with fancy looking menus rather than a TV with simple, functional menus.
Some people care what colour their car, house or room is painted.
Some people like a sense of estethics when it comes to the full package, and that looks blend seamlessly.
Some might even also prefer WMP7+ before WMP6.4 because (suprise, suprise) they think it "looks better". Never mind the bloat and reduced funtionality when it comes to tweaking.
Simply because you like your speakers in black, doesn't mean everyone does. I, for once, prefer mahogny.
And as computers become a common thing, you might expect people to want to alter their looks and maybe even behaviour to suit whatever needs they may have.
</obvious>
If you really needed this answer, I think you spend way too much time alone in your room, boy. (Perhaps <obvious> as well...)
Ok. I could go on, but I'm feeling lazy. And yes, these lawsuits does not at all fully represent your country, we know.
But in a country where lawsuits like this even can be legaly filed (and not rejected as barratry, as they should), must at least consist of some exceptionally stupid people.
There. You got your exceptionlism. Be satisfied.
I've once been told, trying to understand this madness, that one reason for these amazingly stupid (and brave and creative, nevertheless. Takes guts and fantasy to come up with shitlike this), is that you don't have a public health system.
That is. If you gets hurt, you will either
Make sure you're still able to speak, inform personell of your insurance, get treatment.
Being able to speak, inform of none-existant insurance, get treatment. Debt for life thrown in as a bonus.
Being able to speak, inform of none-existant insurance, get no treatment. Death or permanent injuries may ensue.
Yes. This was very much flamish, but jeez guys. Have some modesty. You are by far the youngest country in the western world. Now show some respect for your elders, who might actually have some history on running a country properly.
BTW: Imposing armageddon on the entire world, because of one small attack, could be considered immature.
Kinda like scriptkiddies on irc with their nuking-tools, but actually dangerous.
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How surprising. Almost as surprising as the fact that the industry is doing everything they can to keep the DRM-issue out of the public. People like owning things, owning them for real, just admit it. It's not that hard?
Subversion is the keyword here. Not to be a zealous troll, but the only way this thing can be put to work, is trough subversion.
What does that tell you about the basics of this technology?
I think the main point here is to repeal this defintion of "secure". If every tech-writer reading slashdot started referring to these files as "restricted" files and the methods used as "restricting" (as opposed to securing), I think we can come a long way.
"Securing" the files and transfers almost sound good you know. However enforcing "restrictions" sounds quite borderlining to criminal, if you ask me. But IANAL and I don't know trade-laws and trade-treaties.
Oh. And it only takes one guy to break the encryption and it's all useless. Anyone have the odds on that not happening?
This is utter nonsense and I guess this has been repealed quite a few times, but I'll take the time to debunk this myself as well.
Future BIOSes might deny uncertified OSes to access the TCPA trusted mode, and thus disable the ability to run TCPA enabled software. It will not make the x86-platform a Windows-only platform. Claiming such sheer stupidity is, well quite frankly, stupid.
Between the facts and your ignorant claim, there are lightyears of difference. And that you actually got moded "interesting" for this... The moderators are still clueless, I guess.
Yes, TCPA is evil, but we don't have to resort to lies to defeat it, do we?
Erm... Are you that sure? :)
Really. In the DVD-Jon (argh, I hate that handle!) DeCSS-case in norwegian criminal court, Linux was referred to as a "hacker os". No big news here, and any hacker will claim the same, but I guess governments and hackers define the word "hacker" rather differently.
Ask any government official, and he will firmly claim that a "hacker" is a criminal. Outlawing tools which may assists criminals, is catching on like nothing else these days, so I'll just say "beware".
If we allow big buisness to define the language (as we more or less are doing now), don't be suprprised when even current laws start outlawing things in a totally unreasonable manner.
As far as I know the TCPA specs, Longhorn won't stop you from running unisgned code.
TCPA will stop you from allowing unsigned code to access trusted mode and trusted keys.
There is no way TCPA can prevent you from bruteforcing the key, or even aquirering them by using a Un-TCPAed bootfloppy (w/some possibly necassery bruteforcers as well....)
This might not be as easy as DeCSS, but saying Longhorn won't run unsigned code at all is just plain stupid.
You think Microsoft will dear to break backward compatebility that bad? Nobody will upgrade, regardless of pressure, if it means that all other software will have to go, and Microsoft knows this.
So stop misinterpeting things, and repeating stupid, groundless claims. Get a tinfoil hat, and get rid of your fullcover tinfoil body-suit.
Whatever swapping scheme is used in Windows, I do not know, and I don't care what it's called either.
What I can't despice, is the fact that I got >300MB free physical memory, and 20MB of the kernel is still swapped. Result? Do this, do that (any minor thing) and you have to wait for it to swap in.
In the end, I have never ever seen a Windows-system without a partially swapped kernel, even with tons of free RAM available.
This is just plain stupid, or is there some sort of "smart" explanation for this?
I, for once, would hate having to turn off virtual memory, just to have the system kernel loaded at all times.... And GOD BE DAMNED if Linux takes the stame stupid design-decision.
I'm curious. Is this because of ad-blocking, or simply a result of broken MS-HTML?
This explains a lot.
Likes marketing? Evil, definetly. Biology? Then it must be evil biology!
ISP: yes, but...
Lawyer: then it's entirely possible that the logs were changed
This argument goes all ways.
If anything like this should ever be "accepted" evidence, it can "prove" more or less anything. With a so convincing argument, why don't we slam just about any evil criminal with a netconnection for pedophily, murder, terrorism and treason while we're at it?
Just to make sure they do proper time I mean. We got the legeal means....
Says who? Disrespect for unjust laws or unjust lawenforcement is a necessity for a working democracy.
If you allow unjust laws to go by without any fight, you open democracy for abuse. Disrespecting "the right" laws is healthy for a society as whole in the long term.
And, no, I am not a commie-hippie. I'm a so called rational anarchist. That may sound like a self-contradiction, but as long as we got a democracy, I want it working.
Hrm... Unless they buy off some senators that is.
Not to be cynical, but they allready has it both ways. Somehow I don't think they'll try to amend any sense in order to rebalance this, just to benefit their customers. But that's just me.
The so called "War on drugs" is the biggest failure ever. Trying to control how people use their own fscking bodies is simply the most obscure idea ever concieved. And trying to enforce it "zero tolerance"-style is true madness.
However, people are brainwashed that drugs are "evil", thus fighting drug-users is a good thing(tm). You know what? Assuming people who use "drugs" is stupid, is just plain stupidity in itself.
What do you know about drugs? Have you read it somewhere or do you truly know it? (I.e. have you used any yourself?). Not only stupid people use drugs. It just happens that some stupid people fuck up on drugs. People are more than their drugs, believe it or not.
But there's more. Some people are alchoholics. Just because stupid people drink beer, doesn't make beerdrinking is stupid.
Drugs or beer, there's this subtle difference between a user and abuser. People just tend to take notice of abusers somehow. I for once, would rather share company with a pothead than an alchoholic, but that's just me.
Hey! Lighten up, watch some Bill Hicks DVDs! :)
Some things are clearly more than black and white if you look into them. If you truly got this black'n'white view of drugs, you too have been brainwashed.
Just like this amazing RIAA-endorsed "education" is brainwashing, and brainwashking is bad regardsless.
Fight brainwashing. (Slightly on-topic for once).
Why bother with encryption? Just set up some phony malformed files (and keep your mp3s rared whatever) and share all your bandwidths worth.
The system is supposed to work on audio-finger printing. I can imagine how easy a system like this could be DOSed. Now imagine all P2P users worldwide doing this (P2P-app prepares this stuff). It'd be the biggest DDOS of all time.
This censorship mayhem is so ambitious it's bound to fail.
Dude. You just got a friend!
Karma be damned. If you can't make a living without having police-state authority, chances are you should be doing something else.
And let true artists who does art for the love of art (not money) do a decent job.
Ever heard about PASSIVE-mode? You should try it. Usually works even trougnh the most firewalled connections.
Don't forget DVDs. Buy a DVD and you are forced to watch 15 seconds of "FBI says copying DVDs is illegal"-crap. Didn't I just buy your product?!? Wankers.
That list was probably as wonderfully pollictically corrent in every RIAA way possible. And crappy as hell.
Just one important fact: Just because you believe that people aren't paying up, doesn't make it so.
0-day exists, so what? I download mostly old stuff, things the shops won't order in, unless asked for and bought. Jazz and funk from anything between the 1940s and the 1970s.
Stuff that should have been in the public domain a long fscking time ago, mind you.
Oh, and if I like it I buy it. Ooohh, imagine that. Your "I'm paying up, everybody else is a freeloading P.O.S."-theory doesn't add up. Now imagine that your theory is just figments of your very own imagination, relax, and realize you are not the only person on the planet paying for music. Most people actually do. Wow.
Someone buys more when exposed to more music, someone buys less when exposed to free music and someone else really couldn't have spent a dime on music in the first place (it's called poverty). What losses do this add up to? I would guess nill.
And if you take a look beyond the whining of the recording industry, you will see that they are fudging the numbers. Their business have never been better. They are releasing fever records than ever, yet selling more per release. Believe me, they are making a living allright.
The only product in decline is the cd-single. Which never really offered any value for money anyway. That's the free market for you.
So shut your self-indulgent mouth, please. Asshat.
Or to cite South park: "If you download music of the internet, these artists will be forced to live lifes of only semi-luxary". Gotta love that one, even if I proably didn't cite it correctly at all.
Yes. RIAA er lying, filthy thieves. They steal from all of us every single day that goes by.
What I am talking about? The public domain. They have effectively stolen the public domain, and now they are stealing our rights.
I think "killing in self defense" should be a reasonable aproach to any **AA executive from now on. A reasonable judge should find that fully justified.
You missed the point. What I think he was trying to say was that the information in the scrambled signal and the unscrambled signal is exactly the same.
The compression of the information has nothing to do with the scrambling of the information.
And, since you are kind enough to bring it about, according to general information-theory, the information in the compressed signal and the decompressed signal is exactly the same. (I.e. no actual information is added in the decompression process.)
But that is besides the point, and if you know your theory, you should know so. I'll call your theoretical bluff, and calls for double miss with decoys attached.
I can't believe this isn't moded up. If they, the content industry, want (and they do) total and bulletproof security, any handling of the encryption keys will be pretty restrictive as well.
And I can't remember anyone I know (none business-wise) ever backing up their system. Guess if DRM hits on, there will be a consumer backlash against it when these problems starts to arise.
Unless tech support geeks, as some of us, just go along with the old "Jeez. You haven't done that?!? No wonder you lost your data/media, your fault. Go away." and by those means make it a user-problem instead of a technology problem.
Which in the end is what it really is. It is probihitive-technology. It is in it's very nature and purpose a disabling technology.
But yeah. I can see that tech-support bummer legitimising DRM. It can happen just easily...
Oh, what georgious pessismism. I, like many others, have totally lost faith in politics. However, I allways get the to hear that "If I don't vote, I'm not entitled to complain". Bullshit.
I like to call myself a free person. I respect just laws, and I break those laws which I can't find any reasonable justification for. As I don't cause any harm to others by this (I am after all, quite a nice guy), this haven't lead to any problems so far.
Ignore the law as much as you want. Then you are truly free. Just be discrete and don't make hell for others. And your freedom will go unnoticed.
When the revolution comes... *drool*
Here in Norway everyone expects the price presented to be including all taxes. It is the cost for you as a consumer which interests you, so why would you want to know any other price at all?
Try not including taxes in your advertised prices, and you probably will be accused of fraud or misinformation. Unless it is specificly noted that the prices are untaxed, which still is an unusual practice here anyway.
I have seen this practice (w/taxes) in every single country I have visited in Europe (Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France and Holland). I admit freely I haven't been traveling alot, but I have yet to see a country where the norm is to announce prices wo/taxes. Too me, that's just plain stupid and misleading.
<obvious>
Well, this might come as a shock to you, but I'll cite some examples:
Simply because you like your speakers in black, doesn't mean everyone does. I, for once, prefer mahogny.
And as computers become a common thing, you might expect people to want to alter their looks and maybe even behaviour to suit whatever needs they may have.
</obvious>
If you really needed this answer, I think you spend way too much time alone in your room, boy. (Perhaps <obvious> as well...)
A slight warning: To any properly (patrioticly) configured mind this is flamebait. So is the parent posters anyway, so who cares.
The US is a exceptional country. It is indeed so exceptional that people file lawsuits, because they werent told that:
And ofcourse for any other reason they may find. Like culture. We are all will-less victims of culture.
Ok. I could go on, but I'm feeling lazy. And yes, these lawsuits does not at all fully represent your country, we know.
But in a country where lawsuits like this even can be legaly filed (and not rejected as barratry, as they should), must at least consist of some exceptionally stupid people.
There. You got your exceptionlism. Be satisfied.
I've once been told, trying to understand this madness, that one reason for these amazingly stupid (and brave and creative, nevertheless. Takes guts and fantasy to come up with shitlike this), is that you don't have a public health system.
That is. If you gets hurt, you will either
Yes. This was very much flamish, but jeez guys. Have some modesty. You are by far the youngest country in the western world. Now show some respect for your elders, who might actually have some history on running a country properly.
BTW: Imposing armageddon on the entire world, because of one small attack, could be considered immature.
Kinda like scriptkiddies on irc with their nuking-tools, but actually dangerous.