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Intel Launches DRM-Enabled CPUs for Phones and Handhelds
squidfrog writes "AP reports, 'The next generation of Intel Corp. microprocessors for cell phones and handheld computers will, for the first time, include hard-wired security features that can enforce copy protection and help prevent hackers from wreaking havoc on wireless networks.' Or more ominously, 'The same technology also can be used to ensure that content such as music or movies is used in a way dictated by the copyright holder. A purchased song, for instance, would not play unless it's sure that it's authorized and running on secure hardware.'" Intel has a press release.
Intel NGSCB for phones is here.
Quantum hacker.
Is that it will sell just as well as non-DRM'd hardware because the masses are clueless as to what it does.
We as geeks need to inform people about this thing.
Etiquette is etiquette. He kills his mother but he can't wear grey trousers.
Argh.
So will I now have to get a mod chip for my mobile phone?
it can be hacked.
Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
'The same technology also can be used to ensure that content such as music or movies is used in a way dictated by the copyright holder. A purchased song, for instance, would not play unless it's sure that it's authorized and running on secure hardware.'"
Right, unless you hold down the Shift key when you put the CD in... honestly people, as long as its digital, people will discover loopholes around the system and break it. I don't want to say the effort is pointless, but it definitely is a losing battle.
Generally, bash is superior to python in those environments where python is not installed.
How long before someone finds a workaround for these security features? Until now, no DRM has been left standing.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Now I can be subjected to the COMPLETE lyrics of "hit me baby one more time" once ringtone makers find this out.
Did you know that ringtone sales make up 10% of music relates sales now? That's a big number.
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Is there a psychological term related to getting your stories rejected on slashdot?
I always figured that no matter what the makers try, if the machine is programmable then a layer can be built on top of the hardware, a virtual machine, that can in effect incapacitate any DRM.
If there is some sort of foolproof hardware that can't be circumvented, no one has ever explained to me how such a thing could work without being non-programmable.
Maybe software could be written that needs to hook into the DRM to run. But software is crackable, or seems to have been so far.
By never buying a cell phone. Take that, you jerks.
The key here, to not get bent all out of shape, is to understand that copyright holders have the right to dictate how their IP is used. If you buy a song, and use it in accordence to the agrement that you purchased it's use under, you should have no problems. On the other hand, if you buy it for your own use, then use some flawed logic to give it away to all your friends, well, that ain't going to fly. This is as it should be.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Person: I think that I would like to buy some stock.
Broker: Well chip maker ***STATIC*** is doing well, you should buy them.
Person: What company? I could not hear you.
Broker: ***STATIC*** you know they compete with Intel?
Person: Oh AMD, are they doing well?
Broker: What did you say? I could not hear. Did you say ***STATIC***?
I'm certain we'd be seeing DRM built into our computer CPU's already as well if it weren't for the competition from AMD. I dread the day that both companies get together and say "ok, let's do this thing." Then we'll be fucked.
This is why there will always be a need for PCs and Macs, so that music/media files can be cleaned of nuisance DRM, enabling you to do what you want with your own files on your own players.
Where you replace the cpu chip and the display chip and the case and all the other chips.
Of course we can always `vote with our feet' and just not buy their product, but as always with the slashdot BOYCOTT $insert_company, it is doomed to fail because the non tech crowd just dont get it.
Indeed instead of talking about it on slashdot (or other geek media) as I am now, we really need to talk to the MASS media about these things. When the EU version of the DMCA came out (EUCD) I put up stickers around my home town entitled `NO EUCD'. Perhaps people to whom this REALLY is worrying, ought to consider a similarly proactive course:
Write to your MP/Govenor, Write to the Times/Herald_Tribune, Tell your friends. And remember, `If there is hope, it lies with the proles'.
D.
use Blunt::Instrument;
if the wintel cartel is still in business, then Intel's DRM may also be a way to prevent linux on PDA's. Luckily, if that were the case, I'm hoping that Sharp would complain (enuf to force intel not to implement the anti-linux portion of their conquest) as their PDA's use an OS based on Linux.
By what? One person in 100,000?
Have you ever tried to solder the wiring of a cell phone... and still have it work?
If all Intel, ATT, etc., etc., have to worry about is people soldering their cell phones, they've won. And gotten a good laugh in the bargain.
Only Women Bleed (Sex, Sharia remix)
I know this comment will be modded down, but really why is DRM frowned upon by Slashdotters? Suppose DRM were required to prevent abuses of the GPL -- would it be OK then?
If DRM enabled devices will make content creators feel comfortable making more content available, then I'm all for it. Also, since theft won't be an issue (unauthorized copying) they won't have to try to recover their losses by charging more for the content.
Amazing magic tricks
From the article:
To provide system and application engineers the ability to fully utilize the features of the Intel PXA27x processor family, Intel is providing the Intel® Compiler and Intel® Integrated Performance Primitives, as well as optimized board support packages with drivers and power management software. Key OS vendors and ISVs like Sony Music Entertainment* have utilized these tools to create a comprehensive library of applications optimized for the new processors.
The way I read that, is that this processor has a few commands built into it that help make or validate keys. Notice how the DRM is built into the application and not the OS. The article also says this:
The Intel 2700G multimedia accelerator delivers DVD-quality video playback on VGA displays and supports a wide range of video formats such as MPEG-2, MPEG-4 and Microsoft* Windows Media Video9.
I take that to mean that it can do some key-type checking, but again - it's not part of the OS. In fact, the article also says this:
The phone platform supports full-featured operating systems from companies like Microsoft*, PalmSource*, Symbian* as well as MontaVista* Linux and Java* environments.
It runs Linux, so...DRM is already optional.
So, unless there's other documentation somewhere stating otherwise, I don't believe this is true "trusted computing" big-brother-knows-best DRM. I'd guess that the CPU has a few custom instructions that help doing RSA or something like that.
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rediculous.
So, now they gonna try to sell their sh*t under the excuse of "security" issues?
Oh, this is just too cute...!
that this whole drm thing is about as successful as SCO linux licensing...
In my office I'm the guerilla marketer. I buy the latest and greatest and most useless tech and hype it up while I swagger around the cubes all day.
...A week later...
It's done like this:
"hey Fred, nice laptop!"
"You betcha Bob!!! This is the latest thing, it has DRM"
"ohhhh really!?!?" -- looks confused.
"Really Bob."
"Gee nice laptop Bob, looks like one of those new DRM models"
"Yeah, but none of my MP3's work!"
"But you got more features Bob... and besides, MP3's are illegal."
"Really???"
"Really Bob."
Not sure why the parent is modded "troll", it's true. Very soon, your phones and pdas' and quite posibbly most availuble CPUs will have DRM. The secret is, if you are not a thief, you have nothing to worry about. It's all "fun and games" untill YOUR ip is stollen, then you get bent, forgetting about all those mp3s you downloaded. What's the issue here? That you want the right to steal other peoples IP?
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
they should call the phone version the "Crippler Chip"
DRM on a cell phone? Was there a lot of ring tone pirating going on? Were people downloading MP3s and playing them when they received phone calls? Jogging along listening to the tinny phone speaker? Who's market did that effect and what's the point of having DRM on a cell phone?
I don't even see the point of DRM on a computer besides to kill the market. With music, it's always been easily obtainable. To make it the hardest to get and use on a computer is stupid. People will pick what is easiest for them, and that just happens to Kazaa. Remove the DRM on that crap. Most people won't pay for a crippled song when they can get the same thing for free. Another person will already make the copy, so crippling someone who has no intention of distributing it is DUMB!
That's scary.
Say what you will, just don't come crying back here when they start charging you $0.99 for "ring tone reproduction" every time you recieve a call on your cell phone.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
8-tracks were so cool from a sales standpoint because as soon as the players were no longer made, you had to buy a new media player and new media.
Now that we won't fall for that again... if you buy a spiffy new media player what assurance do you have that it will play your old media, not because it's not compatable but because you only bought the rights to play on your old one.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
Even if this could detect all copyrighted movies and songs (which I don't think is possible because how can an intel chip know the difference between a dvd movie I ripped and turned into divx and my home movies) I still am not scared. Just think of all the encryption out there that gets broken. The more companies try to restrict something the greater the challenge of breaking it.
Am I missing something, can someone tell me what to fear (I RTFA)
Time to buy stock in AMD, Via, or any other chip-maker that *doesn't* jump on the bandwagon.
As long as there's an alternative, people will flock to it... especially when it comes to "locking down choice."
I'm not making a moral judgement against Intel, just following a pattern seen in recent tech history.
Diplomacy is the art of saying, "Nice doggie!" until you can find a rock.
Because _I_ decide what i do with the hardware i buy, nobody else.
Thats why i wont buy a DRM product, because i want control of what i own.
If someone else wants to retain control over the device, they can keep it
Im sure those hardware features will end up being emulated by some smart coder.
... not some kind of HDTV standard for industry gorillas to fight endless dominion wars (and kill the platform in the process). Oh, you say it could have become a platform for a new product market like mp3? Nah, don't be childish... it's just a playground for corporate exec super egos.
Does it mean that 3g and all that umts is and will remain a dead cow? yes. Does it mean that consumers will carry useless silicon in their pocket like they did with wap cellphones only to use them for what they were designed originally? yes... like, phones you know?
Mi domando chi à il mandante di tutte le cazzate che faccio - Altan
One may also entertain serious doubts about the airtightness of the CPU lockout. Other DRM platforms, such as Xbox, haven't exactly stood the test of time.
Vote with your money.
:)
Dont buy DRM prducts and they will stop selling them.
If you have some cash, print up some nice stickers that say "WARNING: DRM Enabled Product. This device is a half-assed product" or something, and go stick em all over the products at the store
I've seen this sort of thing done to RIAA CDs somewhere, but i dont remember the URL
It comes to the cybernetics from the computational theory of math. "Anything which can be done in hardware can be also done in software and vice versa". There is nothing which can prevent emulation of DRM hardware in software. Of course, a legal law coud be enforced to suppress a nature law, but it looks rather silly to me. Human social paradigm is shifting, shame on those who cannot see it.
There you are, staring at me again.
Most posts rabbit on about how any DRM scheme can be cracked. For sure, but the majority of users won't know about this and will use the DRM. Even if geeks go around it, I think the majority of the content provider's market share will not be affected.
Intellect is not property. As far as I'm concerned, your claim to MY COPY of some information is invalid, no matter if it's similar to YOUR COPY.
Not sure why the parent is modded "troll", it's true.
Most likely the moderator was one of the "idiots" that had been running around saying how DRM would never catch on.
Honestly, how long will it take to hack all this new DRM stuff? a month? maybe two? As many others have said, DRM systems dont last long.
And besides, this is only for cell phones, right? God forbid someone should be unable to listen to a specific ring tone.
Looking over this, I see little reason for concern. While this technology could be implimented on next to everything, there are millions of ways to circumvent it. The fact is, if you can use it, you can crack it.
I see DRM as basically a short-term fix for a problem, but one that wont make much of an impact in the long run. The fact is, as long as there are one or two people out there with the skills to crack these things, the rest of us can access this info and pass it on to others. I predict DRM will fizzle out in 5-10 years, tops.
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The DRM schemes trod all over fair use. The media companies seem perfectly content to completely prohibit copying of media in any format whatsoever. They ignore the fact that not everyone plays their CDs in a CD player (remember the flap about CDs that didn't work in computer CD-ROM drives?) They ignore the fact that people may want to have the files in digital format for transfer to an MP3 player.
For me, it's not about having the "right to steal other peoples IP", it's about being able to make full use of the media that I've paid for the right to use. And DRM is attempting to take away all choice concerning how media are used.
Apparently the "Choose your own Adventure" series of books will also be implementing a form of DRM in their E-book series so that readers cannot just read all the way through. They will be forced to go to page 118 if they want to fight the DMCA in court or flip to page 62 if they want to download PlayFair. This, the authors say, was the "intended" use of the works and not to just be carelessly reading in a way that would violate the authors "rights" ..
The road between democracy and tyranny is paved with secrecy in the name of security.
fuck intel
DRM shit like this is going to make people flock to less restrictive alternatives like linux/transmeta/amd in droves.
Sorry, but the alarm sound is (c) Britney Spears and only your father had the rights to this sound. Your watch is now disabled untill you pay Britney Spears 50c.
Hopefully you'll be able to turn it off in the BIOS, like the processor serial number feature that never seemed to catch on. If not, another equally trivial workaround will be developed soon enough.
Fine. Please work for me, and I'll take copies of your work and call it mine. You don't have a problem with that, do you?
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
I purchase all software I use, because I believe the money I spend on it actually goes towards the artists that create it.
.00001% of the music that's out there is the crap that's pushed on MTV. Those guys usually can form their own labels and become the pimp.
The case is not the same with record companies. 90% of the money you spend on a CD goes to marketing. Marketing of britney spears.
I am a musician, and most any musician who has tried to make it knows that you will basicially be screwed on your first 3 albums (ie take huge losses on them) just to be on the shelf (and most often not). Anyone but the top 1% or less of signed artists lose money on the deal, and usually don't even get their CD's in stores. That last 1%, probably
So, when you take the moral high ground about enforcing record companies rights, you should also enforce the right of a pimp on the street to push his ho's, because that's all the record companies are. Pimps. Living off other's talents and taking their proceeds. Destroying hope for those who just want to make a living.
The sooner they die a slow horrible death, the better. We will all have access to better music cheaper, and won't be subjected to freaking britney spears and boy bands everywhere we go.
DIE RECORD COMPANIES DIE!
STEAL MUSIC!
BOYCOTT INTEL!
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
"help prevent hackers from wreaking havoc on wireless networks." "making it next to impossible for hackers to tweak the device and cause trouble." Call me naive, but what kinds of "havoc" and "trouble" are we talking about here? I have heard very little on slashdot or elsewhere concerning trouble caused by people who crack cellphone networks. The article provided no specific examples of such malice. Intel is solving a problem that does not exist (yet?) and at the same time further deteriorating the rights of the end user.
10 Bits= $.25
100 Bits= $.50
110 Bits= $.75
1000 Bits= 1 byte
Ok, so what happens when I want to move my purchased music from one computer to another, because I'm retiring the old computer, or want to listen to it at work? I need to buy a new copy? Sorry, no.
If Hollywood continues to influence hardware in its
country, perhaps this can make 'off-shore' hardware
even more popular. Along with 'off-shore' everything
else. Its very ironic that Joe Sixpack might need
a Chinese DVD player to actually do what he wants with his machine.
Yes, but that's an independent issue, you doofus. Whether I have any right to stop you spreading information I produced (COPYright) is different to you having the right to claim you produced that information (plagiarism).
COPYright is stalinist control over the dissemination of information dressed up in pretty pseudocapitalist rhetoric.
most people don't know what DRM is. As more folks buy this junk, they will realize the restrictions being put on them, and believe me, they WILL react negatively.(At least, that's the way it is in my fantasy). One of the reasons the laser disc never sold well is because it couldn't record.(Plus 12inch discs aren't too portable, which probably explains why DVD's do sell so well). Anyway, Let's spread the word, and hope for the best.
What?
holy crip, that cell phone's a crapple!
How the fuck did we get to the point where music needs to be "secure content"?
What happened to kids having jam sessions in their parents' garages?
What happened to aboriginies hitting sticks against each other?
Or bands playing gigs in pubs?
Yes, these are careers and corporations, but just think about then and now. Music for the love of it then, music for the money in it now.
RIAA/MPAA & friends need to step back and take a look at what they're doing and requesting from hardware, software, and people.
'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
I still use my old analog phone. It does exactly what I want it to do-- make calls.
Karma: Negative (Mostly affected by dorm trolling)
And most likely, you are the parent posting as an AC so as to make it appear that you have support for the stance that you suffered an injustice at the hands of a cavalier moderator.
Please come up with better tactics or go back to Fark.
And your wireless service provider will auto-bill you the RIAA's fee each time a call rings on your phone.
This is a clever ploy. First you will buy a DRM mobile phone, so you can access the content you want.
Next, you will need A DRM PC so you can use that content on your computer!
people don't care about drm on their mobile phones, and people will just want to access their data on their computer - not caring they need DRM to do it. it is THEIR data!
people buy things that make their data accessible.
...Apple launches iRingTones, allowing downloading of ring tones for 99 cents each, with 5 second previews. Linux users immediately complain about lack of OGG ring tones.
Rightsholders not only want to exercise their rights, but also forbid you from exercising yours.
That is the true heart of the problem, and the protest. Personally I've got far more paid-for content than not, and I'm very willing to pay for content as long as I can make full use of it.
However, I am not going to shell out my cash for content I can only use at home, on a Tuesday, if it's sunny, and I can get my DRM-enabled software to work. Furthermore I'm unwilling to repeatedly pay for content every time the distribution method changes - ie: from tape to CD, from VHS to DVD, etc. I want to be able to make the choice to "upgrade" my media based on the benefits of the media or the media delivery system. There are real benefits to be had by buying my movie collection as DVDs, but I want to be able to make that choice not have that choice forced on me.
If DRM becomes ubiquitous then you can guarantee that content will be "leased" and not sold. The sale model will be deprecated and all your content will be rented on a schedule dictated purely by the rightsholders.
DRM means you say goodbye to the general purpose computing machine. It means you say goodbye to home-brew software, homebew hardware, homebrew content creation - all that creative endeavour becomes illegal, or impossible. No more listening to CDs of your friends garage band - they can't afford a key to "sign" their content, and your CD player won't play unsigned content, and the DMCA says you can't hack it so you can.
Fuck that.
Pierre
Its worth noting that these companies became some of the biggest without DRM at all.
My message that was modded as troll was posted as AC. The guy that noted it was badly moderated was logged in. I can see how that might have been a little confusing for you.
No prob dude. If you can find other companies that have use for the exact same software I'm currently writing, I'd be hiring you instead:)
The response to that one made it optional.
Are we too worn out to to do it again, or is everyone trying so hard to be honest (not steal) that they're helping *AA to pretty much lock out new technologies in the service of those who know more about tech than they do (MS).
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
The DRM + security features are those of the Group formerly known as the TCPA. TCPA has frequently been discussed on Slashdot.
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From http://www.intel.com/design/pca/prodbref/253820.h
"The Intel PXA27x processor family incorporates the Intel® Wireless Trusted Platform that is designed to provide platform trust and robust security services required for today's wireless devices. Built around the concepts developed by the Trusted Computing Group* (TCG) industry forum..."
This would open things up to content control.
If you have 'unapproved information' on your pc, ( that just happened to be approved the day before ) *poof* it goes up in digital smoke... possibly even notifing the authorities of the transgression of knowledge.
And in this case, you cant do anything abut it since its at the chip level.
Sure, *we* may find a way, but the general public will have its core knowledge controlled and restricted.
Don't count on buying others chips.. they will all follow suit to 'keep up' with markets.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Real digital rights management would be a useful tool to track the nuances of many rights of all parties and not get into the always-flawed provider-biased enforcement at all. As such, there are many good applications of it.
But in the industry, it is a euphemism for copy protection, which has never, that I am aware of, been used to accurately manage digital rights, other than the DMCA's argument that whatever right the copy protection condescends to give you is all the right you should ever have.
MOD UP FUNNY!
I already have a workaround, it's called a microphone. As long as there are input devices and storage media, no copyright protection can possibly be effective.
There should be a law requiring/prohibiting that (Please circle one)
Spelling mistake.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
Geek boycotts tend to fail because you're right, geeks tend to their own flock, and geek boycotts too often stay confined to geek media. Is this because geeks have no ties to the press and no ability to be heard? No. I continue to contend it is because the average geek makes a piss-poor public advocate. Maybe it's a lack of innate ability, and maybe it's just a lack of ability to really get off that Aeron and do something, but time and time again geek advocacy gets all fired up just to run off and bite the big one and slump back down. It is sad that DRM is such a huge public consumer rights issue that only geeks seem to really grasp, as it seems more than likely that geeks will drop the ball on this one as has been done with so many advocacy issues ...
Or can things change? For the love of all that is holy, please prove my misgivings wrong, but I won't hold my breath for now.
That's right, lets just fill up valuable CPU die space with DRM crap. I would rather have more cache in it's place instead. No...fuck it. I know, lets just have a dedicated DRM co-processor paritioned into the CPU die. Ya...fuck consumers. We need all that CPU speed to make cracking DRM in real-time virtually impossible! Now all we need is some funding from the RIAA....
Ya, I'm being cynical. But can you really blame me?
Life is not for the lazy.
This is the future no matter what the platform be it pda's, phones, pc's, etc. and there's a really simple fix. Buy, if you don't already have, the previous generation's hardware and milk it for all it's worth. I'm sure that'd work for some years until there's a clear winner on the "hacked" side of things.
You aren't free to do anything, until you've lost everything.
We all know any DRM technique can be circumvented given enough time and knowledge.
As long as the DRM doesn't intrude on the perceived functionality most people wont notice or care. If as there is a sufficient library of ringtones, most people won't worry that they can't use non-DRM ringtones they find online Additional features are more a question of timesink vs reward. If average joe can just spend 5 minutes to download a crack program, click a button and DRM is gone he will, but many less will spend time to buy a mod chip on line, disassemble his phone, decipher the diagrams, and hope he doesn't break his $200 phone/CPU/etc.
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PXA-27x is the model number^Wname. The product name is XScale, ie it is an intel XScale CPU, PXA-27x model family, compared to previous models (families) of the XScale CPU such as the PXA-25x and PXA-21x. All of which essentially are revisions of the DEC SA-1100 StrongARM which intel acquired design rights to as part of DEC's sell-out to^W^Wsettlement from intel.
I use Friend/Foe + mod-point modifiers as a karma/reputation system.
Now what it means is that whenever your phone rings, $699 is charged in your phone bill for royalty for public preformance.
Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
Songs (and all data) don't make decisions about how to allow themselves to be used. All that would have to happen to get around crap like this would be that someone makes a DRM-ignoring player for the data. This might mean cracking some crypto to make the data open, or it could mean cracking an existing player to always allow playing, or it might mean cloning decryption code out of an existing player and embedding it within a DRM-ignoring player framework. (Any of these things could be carried out at software or hardware levels.) At any rate, the people who go along with the DRM program will find themselves penalized for doing so. That's the point where it's all over for the DRM in question. Then someone invents a new brand of DRM and the cycle repeats.
With any luck, after enough cycles, the DRM pushers will learn.
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
Well, it's hard to respond to Anonymous Coward's. I have lots of work for Open SOurce developers. jjb@botteronet.net
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
I am of the opinion that humans are inherently good. This is a pretty important descision when you involve youself with technology. Every technological impprovement improves the capability of people and therefore their ability to do good or evil.
When you limit what people can do you limit both of these aspects.
If they implement this choice they remove the right of people to choose. They assume that people have been doing bad things because they are evil not because they have good reasons which we might not understand and you take away any posibility of providing information to "wrongdoers" to correct their ways.
The entire thought process behind this is very american it is unfortunate that CPU's are almost exclusivly their domain. Let's hope they go about this in a stupid way allowing me to buy several of the last real generation of free processors.
if you ask me i would be more worried about the crime of humanity commited by people singing these songs over the phone then the copyright violation. but who knows maybe little jenny singing britney spears over the phone will cause them to lose millions.
"This also allows them to keep the vast majority of talented artists out of the distribution channels artificially keeping supply out of balance with demand and inflating their profits"
I don't think you understand the point of supply-demand optimization. Supply always (for whatever reason) matches demand. If it doesn't, there's a shortage or a surplus (which is bad). Of course, it isn't really possible to have a shortage or a surplus of music for a number of reasons.
As the price companies charge for music increses, the demand for music decreases. This means that there is an optimum price which will maximize profits. Companies employ doves of employees whose job it is to find the price that maximizes profits.
So, no they don't artifically inflate anything. If the price they carge is too high, or the selection is not good enough, people simply don't buy the music. It's differnt with essential services where there are limited choices, but in the music business artifical inflation is not possible.
As for the claim that DRM won't cause prices to rise, maybe yes, maybe no. It's really hard to tell how it will shift the demand curve. It might result in a higher optimum price, or it might result in a lower one. One thing is for certian, it will increase overall demand, and therefore increase their overall profits.
So the story is basically this:
DRM might be good for the honest end user, or it might be bad for them, but it's definately good for the music industry.
Trusted boot means that on bootup, the CPU validates the bootup image before transfering execution to it. That's it!! From that point on it is up to this 'trusted' image developed by the OEM to decide what to do. This image, in turn, could decide to validate other images on the system thus cascading the effect. This would allow the OEM to further validate the kernel, read-only file system images (i.e. CRAMFS), and "secure storage of private information."
The PXA270 processor also provides a cryptographic acceleration engine. This can be used by applications to speed up encription and protocols through a provided library interface.
This unit also can provide a list of device specific derived keys, derived from a secret private key stored in hardware randonly burned during manufacturing. Using such feature is entirely a design choice.
So, I think people should first become familiar with the design before casting these crazy comments.
Hmmm... That sounds like a really good deal. But I think I have a better one. How about, I give you the finger, and you let me play the songs that I BOUGHT AND PAID FOR WITH GOOD MONEY on whichever device I see fit, whether you believe that it's appropriate or not.
Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a song if you're unable to hear?
Secondly, calling this a "DRM" feature is a bit of a stretch. Whilst it could be used for such a function, what is being provided is a security processor with a locked key store. I don't see anything wrong with that per se. It does have useful applications.
A particular phone manufacturer might be able to utilize it for "DRM" applications - but that's up to them. Nothing prevents them from installing non-"DRM"ed software should they choose.
If you are looking at a phone or PDA on which you can load your own software (like a PalmOS phone, say) then this is doubly true. Don't want a DRMed application? No problem. Don't use it, and don't buy the DRMed content. Use some other application.
While I recognize that some people (myself included) hate the idea of DRMed content, my concern is with the market for content getting monopolized as DRMed only. Application providers are going to write DRM applications with or without hardware crypto support, and most of it will get broken irrespective of hardware crypto support. I don't really see that as an issue.
Having hardware crypto support, with locked key stores, is still a good thing, in my view. Ignore the stuff about how it's good for DRM. Recognize that it's good for security too.
just my humble opinion, of course...
Krill
"that content such as music or movies is used in a way dictated by the copyright holder"
The copyright holder has no right to dictate the USE of music or movies. He/she has the right to dictate the COPYING of music or movies.
Copyright is the right to copy. It is not control of use.
It's your property
No, it's the phone company's property until you have fulfilled the 2-year commitment.
You rip your chip open
And the tamper-evident chip erases the master key. Ever heard of "Capcom suicide"?
when all your games/applications/movies/music suddenly require it, you can either deal with it and not use them or budge and use DRM.
Then you've made a wrong decision in the first place to rely only on games, applications, movies and music that require digital restrictions management. There exist Free 2D games (and a few Free 3D games), loads of Free apps (except in those niches that are cluttered with patents, such as color print work), no-cost Flash movies, and quite a bit of no-cost music on irate. As long as PC companies continue to sell PCs and not Xbox consoles, it remains straightforward to stay in the Free World.
The MP3 format is not illegal. I own many CDs which I have ripped to MP3
Which encoder did you use? The MP3 format itself is not illegal, but using LAME binaries is illegal in jurisdictions where Fraunhofer holds patents on audio coding.
Whoa there butt head! No one is a thief just because they want freedom. Telling people what they have to listen to, and restricting them from listening/watching/saying something that isn't "approved" is stupid. My forefathers faught wars against people who tried this kind of crap. Calling someone a thief, implying they are a thief and restricting their rights "IN ADVANCE" because they might be a thief is what they do in prisons and countries where civil liberties are only a distant dream. If you want to live in a prison, find one, call the warden a jerk and hit him with a shovel. I'm sure they will accomodate you and your choice. I prefer freedom. DRM isn't freedom. DRM is someone telling me that I have to pay for one of five ring tones, none of which I like, but which I must have for my phone to ring. It's garbage.
But, yes, it will be cracked sooner or later (my bet's are on 'sooner').
That still doesn't relieve my gripes with the system. The mythical 'Joe Sixpack' isn't going to crack his phone, thus the very same 'Joe Sixpack' will not be able to play my 'untrusted' music.
I think the point is that the player can't read the song in a playable format unless the device its running on is authorised to read it.
I'm willing to give up most of my Linux development activities for organizing a TCPA/DRM information website which will: - inform about current DRM activities - list DRM'd hardware and non-DRM hardware (buyers' recommendation) - properly organize 24/7 demonstrations in larger cities against DRM, e.g. in front of electronics chains selling DRM hardware, ...
(would need a large database sorted by region, city, user registration, time frame, ...)
I simply cannot bear the increasing flood of DRM activated hardware announcements. Preventing wide-spread DRM adoption is MUCH more important than working on a tiny negligible piece of Linux software. If the HW/SW vendors are able to push their stuff through, there probably won't be any Linux or other free "non-certified" software running any more anyway...
If YOU want to truly help me in this effort, then please let me know so that we can coordinate something!
Thanks!
comment on the technical principles behind this copy protection technique.
Whatever DRM is used for media one can always bypass it.
Always.
The use of media is to be seen/heared etc., with this fact in mind let's take music as an example; one can play a 'DRMed' music file, loopback the audio output to the audio input and record. Lo and behold, the resultant recorded music has no DRM protection! A similar setup can be used for video.
Of course the resultant quality depends on the quality of the transducers used. But with most commonly available equipment the quality is very acceptable.
- "They misunderestimated me."
If you don't like the copyright holders of the song deciding how you listen to it, why don't you just not buy the song? Particularly since the next argument tends to be "the kind of music that these people produce is horrible". So why is it a problem if horrible music is DRM'ed?
As I understand it the FILE(music whatever) wont play on a system that is not authorised to play that file. But how does the file know what system is authorised play it? How does the file sepperate one system from the other? As i have understand it its because of your personal code installed in your CPU, right? Does the file know your personal code before you start it, so that if there is a mismatch it doesnt start? If that is true cant you just make the file think you have the right code? I mean since its sofware that regultes the communication between the file and the chip, since the file itself is software, one should be able to alter the way the file percives the system. Am i right, or am i way off here?
I can't believe this isn't moded up. If they, the content industry, want (and they do) total and bulletproof security, any handling of the encryption keys will be pretty restrictive as well.
And I can't remember anyone I know (none business-wise) ever backing up their system. Guess if DRM hits on, there will be a consumer backlash against it when these problems starts to arise.
Unless tech support geeks, as some of us, just go along with the old "Jeez. You haven't done that?!? No wonder you lost your data/media, your fault. Go away." and by those means make it a user-problem instead of a technology problem.
Which in the end is what it really is. It is probihitive-technology. It is in it's very nature and purpose a disabling technology.
But yeah. I can see that tech-support bummer legitimising DRM. It can happen just easily...
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
As far as I can see, if I can get $media to come out of my $output_device, then I can just get a cable to pipe my $output_device into my $recording_device, correct?
I mod down anyone who says "I will be modded down for this", regardless of the rest of their comment
I'm really surprised that Alcohol 120% isn't on the blacklist!
I'd say...just rip out your CD-RW / DVD (re)writer and then copy to ISO w/ A-120, then burn that!
There's always a loophole!
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In the interests of full disclosure, I work for Intel.
And Intel has consistently fought against DRM & related technologies. They aren't in Intels interest, because they stifle the industry & cost Intel money to implement, which cuts margins. Thats the same for every producer, Intel, AMD, whoever !
So if you want to pi$$ & moan, talk to your Congress critter, cause they're the one's who are writing the laws that are forcing manufacturers to implement this in devices !!!!
Look for Congress to mandate that *all* hardware meet minimal standards, i.e. support DRM et. al. The gate is slowly closing and you'll soon be daid.