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Ok here is where I have an argument. The conceptual difference between "copyright infringement" and "stealing" is null. So why the obfuscation and insistence that what you are doing is not stealing. Illegal enrichment is illegal enrichment.
Now I'm bypassing the legal bullshit that fair use is involved because I will stipulate to fair use. But every other form of copying without permission is still stealing or it's semantic equivalent.
Perhaps the scarcity equals value has been taken too far with copyrights but that is what the music industry and the artists count on to get paid.
Oddly enough, the fact that you can't get the CD any more increases the value of those that do exist. At least to you. There is always trying to get a current owner to give up their copy. But nice try at a rationalization, it almost works.
Actually you have diminished the value of my work by copying it and not paying the fee to be entertained by my efforts at playing those instruments and my efforts at writing that song. Perhaps you have merely removed an intangible but quibbling over how you removed the value does not diminish the fact that you have removed value. Copying my work and taking that copy for yourself is stealing pure and simple. I don't care what you think it is, it is a simple fact obvious to any intelligent person. Incidentally my other post says this also but it bears repeating.
If you were to sit down and listen to my work, then play it yourself and sing it yourself for your own amusement it would not be stealing. Any more than painting a copy of a painting. You could even sell that copy as long as you called it a copy and you didn't use any of my trademarks to enhance it's value.
you can argue semantics all you want simply because the dictionary hasn't caught up to reality doesn't alter reality.
Actually that's the lamest excuse/rationalization yet.
If you sit down and listen to my music and then play the exact same tune yourself for your own amusement, no you have done nothing wrong.
What a lame attempt.
I don't believe that either. They are merely a tool in the chain. They serve a purpose besides the illegal one. Same as the telephone company does. The mere fact that thieves use their service does not negate the value of their service. The same as the mere fact that thieves use guns does not negate the fact that I could use one for a different legal purpose. As far as I can tell the only thing these guys are guilty of is poor judgment in their response to authority. Thumbing your nose at the cops doesn't exactly dispose them kindly to your cause.
The problem is that you are not stealing his ideas your are stealing the person's work. His expression of his idea. If you were merely using his idea that would be a different argument. But tell me how do you use someones idea when it is expressed as music. here's how: Obviously his idea was to either entertain himself or others. Feel free to use that idea as much as you wish. Feel free to be entertained as long as you are willing to pay the fee required to obtain that entertainment. There aint no such thing as a free lunch. Get over it and start growing up!
This argument is lame at best. enriching yourself without earning that privilege. Earning means purchasing, working for etc. Stealing is stealing I don't care how you couch your stupid grammar in English, German or Greek. The fact that the original remains is also irrelevant. Stop the stupid nit picking grammarian bullshit and call a spade a spade!
Wrong, I have 30 years of experience and they still wanted code samples. Most of them wanted it in a specific format that I couldn't just pull out of open source stuff. I wrote it custom for each employer based on what market and what development cycle they used.
Yup I spent quite a lot of time writing code samples for the prospective employers. Rather than wasting time on something that might not be in the line of work I'm looking for.
Being utterly depressed and really not wanting to do anything else. I didn't even want to look at my computer after I spent most of a day trolling the net for work.
It actually requires more energy than a full time job. And as much as you want to believe that that stuff looks good on a resume, there really isn't a good correlation there. The open source software I wrote actually did get me noticed by a future employer but I wrote it while working on a job for another company and got permission to release it as open source. Don't fool yourself, unless you can say you have done it professionally it doesn't count. I've been on both sides of that resume' too.
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Then stop paying to educate them and start paying to educate US! Stupid justification man.
I really wonder how many of you still know what the word "Free" means or how to apply it.
And neither would the production of music by the artists be worth the effort.
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The parent should be modded off topic as is this post
Ok here is where I have an argument. The conceptual difference between "copyright infringement" and "stealing" is null. So why the obfuscation and insistence that what you are doing is not stealing. Illegal enrichment is illegal enrichment.
Now I'm bypassing the legal bullshit that fair use is involved because I will stipulate to fair use. But every other form of copying without permission is still stealing or it's semantic equivalent.
Perhaps the scarcity equals value has been taken too far with copyrights but that is what the music industry and the artists count on to get paid.
Wow, flamebait huh, more like "I didn't want to hear that".
Nice fog, er I mean fud.
whooosh!
Oddly enough, the fact that you can't get the CD any more increases the value of those that do exist. At least to you. There is always trying to get a current owner to give up their copy. But nice try at a rationalization, it almost works.
Actually you have diminished the value of my work by copying it and not paying the fee to be entertained by my efforts at playing those instruments and my efforts at writing that song. Perhaps you have merely removed an intangible but quibbling over how you removed the value does not diminish the fact that you have removed value. Copying my work and taking that copy for yourself is stealing pure and simple. I don't care what you think it is, it is a simple fact obvious to any intelligent person. Incidentally my other post says this also but it bears repeating.
If you were to sit down and listen to my work, then play it yourself and sing it yourself for your own amusement it would not be stealing. Any more than painting a copy of a painting. You could even sell that copy as long as you called it a copy and you didn't use any of my trademarks to enhance it's value.
you can argue semantics all you want simply because the dictionary hasn't caught up to reality doesn't alter reality.
Actually that's the lamest excuse/rationalization yet.
If you sit down and listen to my music and then play the exact same tune yourself for your own amusement, no you have done nothing wrong. What a lame attempt.
I don't believe that either. They are merely a tool in the chain. They serve a purpose besides the illegal one. Same as the telephone company does. The mere fact that thieves use their service does not negate the value of their service. The same as the mere fact that thieves use guns does not negate the fact that I could use one for a different legal purpose. As far as I can tell the only thing these guys are guilty of is poor judgment in their response to authority. Thumbing your nose at the cops doesn't exactly dispose them kindly to your cause.
The problem is that you are not stealing his ideas your are stealing the person's work. His expression of his idea. If you were merely using his idea that would be a different argument. But tell me how do you use someones idea when it is expressed as music. here's how: Obviously his idea was to either entertain himself or others. Feel free to use that idea as much as you wish. Feel free to be entertained as long as you are willing to pay the fee required to obtain that entertainment. There aint no such thing as a free lunch. Get over it and start growing up!
Like you can't base your buying decision on the reviews of people you trust?
You still have no right to view/enjoy/consume with out paying the price.
Missed the point. And yes it's still stealing as you didn't have my permission to make that value trade.
You still don't get it. That's another rationalization. You are owed nothing!
This argument is lame at best. enriching yourself without earning that privilege. Earning means purchasing, working for etc. Stealing is stealing I don't care how you couch your stupid grammar in English, German or Greek. The fact that the original remains is also irrelevant. Stop the stupid nit picking grammarian bullshit and call a spade a spade!
Nice rationalization, thanks for playing!
How wonderful for you.
Wrong, I have 30 years of experience and they still wanted code samples. Most of them wanted it in a specific format that I couldn't just pull out of open source stuff. I wrote it custom for each employer based on what market and what development cycle they used.
Yup I spent quite a lot of time writing code samples for the prospective employers. Rather than wasting time on something that might not be in the line of work I'm looking for.
The word is THAN!
Being utterly depressed and really not wanting to do anything else. I didn't even want to look at my computer after I spent most of a day trolling the net for work.
Glad to know that next time you are out of work, if I'm out of work too I won't have to worry about you as competition!
It actually requires more energy than a full time job. And as much as you want to believe that that stuff looks good on a resume, there really isn't a good correlation there. The open source software I wrote actually did get me noticed by a future employer but I wrote it while working on a job for another company and got permission to release it as open source.
Don't fool yourself, unless you can say you have done it professionally it doesn't count. I've been on both sides of that resume' too.