Yeah not all projects are still maintained. So what? How does the existance of other projects on SourceForge interfere with YOUR project? Are you scared other projects become zombies and magically kill off your project in the middle of the night or something?
And you don't even know the number of Windows closed source freeware apps that go under every year.
Re:looks promissing but what is it really against?
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I don't know about OpenOffice and Mozilla but your claims are definitely not true for Gimp.
First of all, Gimp is not C++, it's written in C. And Gimp contains very little to no platform-specific code. Gimp uses Gtk and Glib as portability layers. The Gimp maintainer strives to have as little platform-specific code as possible. He even wants to eventually get rid of all of the remaining little #ifdefs.
Gtk and Glib are also not littered with #ifdefs. Gtk uses Gdk as portability layer. Gdk has several implementations: X, Win32 GDI, DirectFB, etc. An implementation is automatically chosen by the configure script (or something like that, not really sure about this one), but there are very little #ifdefs. I don't know about Glib.
"The theory is that with.NET you won't need ANY platform specfic code. If that turns out true, I will be completely amazed."
My theory is that it will end up with something like Java or all the other portability frameworks for C/C++. The simple things are portable but when you want to do some more complex things, you suddenly face the limitations. And you also have limited ways to really integrate with the platform's desktop.
"So "slashdotters" are a collective that all have to share the same opinions?"
Well you people also treat "open source community", "open source" or "Linux" as a single collective being. "All open source software have unusable interfaces", "all programmers must be banned from UI design", etc. etc.
"Differing opinions and all."
Opinions are one thing. Passionately and zealously flaming and insulting everything related to open source is another.
Now that's a funny statement. In all the other Slashdot articles, people massively praise corporations for having UI designers, and claim that all open source user interfaces are unusable. So corporate == good. And now suddenly corporate == bad? No wonder nobody ever listen to Slashdotters, it's because Slashdotters make a fool out of themselves by continuously giving contradicting statements!
What the... just take a look at a previous Slashdot story form not so long ago! People massively flamed down OpenOffice (and open source in general) for creating unusable user interfaces. Many Slashdotters have also said OpenOffice is nowhere near on par with MS Office. And here you are, saying that OpenOffice is a success?
First of all, you meant "when its development model has changed to open source" (not "it's"!).
The fact that you nitpick against small details like that proofs that you're a troll. Your posts are not worth reading. Your post is just yet another proof that nobody should EVER listen to Slashdot comments in any way! Farewall!
That is not a deficient of open source. That is a deficient of voluntarily made software! Just take a look at: * Closed source Windows freeware. It has the same "works for me!" model! * Commercial open source software. The company has a QA team!
1. Doubleclick on graph. 2. Rightclick on graph -> AutoFormat. 3. Select "Rows" or "Columns" in "Data series in:"
Frankly I don't understand why you blame this problem on Free Software. OpenOffice was once StarOffice, a *commercial product*. This same problem existed in StarOffice, the *commercial product*. I don't understand why people automatically throw mud at Free Software/Open Source in general, and pretend that commercial software is always perfect but that it magically turns unusable when it's development model has changed to open source.
"Personally, I'd rather have intelligent discussion about the strong and weak points of various OS/software/languages/etc. here than stupid name calling."
Yeah but that doesn't mean the rest of Slashdot wants it too. MOST Slashdotters are only interested in flaming everything that's not Apple. If you're looking for intelligent discussions then you must not go to Slashdot.
I think he means that you will have to pay developers to do the porting for you.
Or do you really think Mozilla will compile & run on cell phone machines out-of-the-box?
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You can disable XFT antialiasing! From GNOME: Applications->Desktop Preferences->Fonts.
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Ok/Cancel or Cancel/OK buttons are fundamentally flawed, and outdated. Both GNOME and KDE use action verbs, just like MacOS X. So instead ok Cancel/OK you can Discard/Save or something.
"And yet, somehow it happens in the commercial software world: Windows and OS X, Microsoft Office"
Uhm no. Only Microsoft and Apple themselves are involved in the development of their own OS. Third parties make third party apps, that's all. And there *are* duplicated effords in the Windows world. How many Win32 text editors do you think exist? How many Win32 HTML editors? How many Win32 firewalls? How many Win32 virus scanners? How many Win32 image editors? Etc. etc. etc.
In other words: no, it doesn't happen in the commercial world.
"when that time would be better spent concentrating on making the "superior" piece of software even better."
That's only assuming all those people will actually work on the same single project. If you kill off GNOME there's no guarantee all GNOME developers will work on KDE. I wouldn't be surprised if lots of them just quit programming entirely.
"instead of aimlessly pouring effort into "100 different, equally crappy solutions""
So where's your proof to back up your point? Those 100 different solutions are not "equally crappy": they're designed for their own niche market.
"You just want to shake your head and pretend like it can't happen, simply because it doesn't happen in the world of Linux and OSS."
As opposed to you nodding your head, pretending like it will happen every second?
"Since Linux crunchies are absolutely dead-set on never replacing the interface failures that are taskbars and start menus,"
*cough* Window Maker? XFCE? ROX? Enlightenment? There are tons of window managers and desktops that don't use a taskbar+start menu interface.
"You want a litmus test? The day someone can buy a printer that comes with a CD, stick the CD into the drive, a menu comes up to install the binary driver, and afterward the printer works."
I bought an Epson printer. I stick in the driver CD, and the install program pops up. I click Next, Next, Next, and after a while I get an error. The printer didn't work.
No dude, Windows is highly overrated. Things don't always work smoothly. Things go wrong more often than you zealots want to admit.
"At the current pace, that is definitely not going to ever happen with either KDE or GNOME. They both are horrible desktops"
Yeah let's make grand statements without any evidence to back up. What makes GNOME and KDE so horrible? Do you have any usability tests that say GNOME and KDE are totally unusable?
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You can say the same thing about the Windows community. Or the Slashdot community. Or the OSnews community.
Yeah not all projects are still maintained. So what? How does the existance of other projects on SourceForge interfere with YOUR project? Are you scared other projects become zombies and magically kill off your project in the middle of the night or something?
And you don't even know the number of Windows closed source freeware apps that go under every year.
And my soundcard worked out-of-the-box after installation.
Because Ctrl+C/X/V may interfere with the console app inside the terminal. Come on, is it that hard to understand?
I didn't say you, I said Slashdotters.
I don't know about OpenOffice and Mozilla but your claims are definitely not true for Gimp.
.NET you won't need ANY platform specfic code. If that turns out true, I will be completely amazed."
First of all, Gimp is not C++, it's written in C. And Gimp contains very little to no platform-specific code. Gimp uses Gtk and Glib as portability layers. The Gimp maintainer strives to have as little platform-specific code as possible. He even wants to eventually get rid of all of the remaining little #ifdefs.
Gtk and Glib are also not littered with #ifdefs. Gtk uses Gdk as portability layer. Gdk has several implementations: X, Win32 GDI, DirectFB, etc. An implementation is automatically chosen by the configure script (or something like that, not really sure about this one), but there are very little #ifdefs.
I don't know about Glib.
"The theory is that with
My theory is that it will end up with something like Java or all the other portability frameworks for C/C++. The simple things are portable but when you want to do some more complex things, you suddenly face the limitations. And you also have limited ways to really integrate with the platform's desktop.
"So "slashdotters" are a collective that all have to share the same opinions?"
Well you people also treat "open source community", "open source" or "Linux" as a single collective being. "All open source software have unusable interfaces", "all programmers must be banned from UI design", etc. etc.
"Differing opinions and all."
Opinions are one thing. Passionately and zealously flaming and insulting everything related to open source is another.
"and too much corporate influence."
Now that's a funny statement. In all the other Slashdot articles, people massively praise corporations for having UI designers, and claim that all open source user interfaces are unusable. So corporate == good.
And now suddenly corporate == bad? No wonder nobody ever listen to Slashdotters, it's because Slashdotters make a fool out of themselves by continuously giving contradicting statements!
What the... just take a look at a previous Slashdot story form not so long ago! People massively flamed down OpenOffice (and open source in general) for creating unusable user interfaces. Many Slashdotters have also said OpenOffice is nowhere near on par with MS Office. And here you are, saying that OpenOffice is a success?
The fact that you nitpick against small details like that proofs that you're a troll. Your posts are not worth reading. Your post is just yet another proof that nobody should EVER listen to Slashdot comments in any way! Farewall!
That is not a deficient of open source. That is a deficient of voluntarily made software! Just take a look at:
* Closed source Windows freeware. It has the same "works for me!" model!
* Commercial open source software. The company has a QA team!
1. Doubleclick on graph.
2. Rightclick on graph -> AutoFormat.
3. Select "Rows" or "Columns" in "Data series in:"
Frankly I don't understand why you blame this problem on Free Software. OpenOffice was once StarOffice, a *commercial product*. This same problem existed in StarOffice, the *commercial product*.
I don't understand why people automatically throw mud at Free Software/Open Source in general, and pretend that commercial software is always perfect but that it magically turns unusable when it's development model has changed to open source.
In other words: never listen to Slashdotters because they will kill developers with contradicting demands and insults?
Urgh... take a look at GNOME! It's simple! In fact, their whole philosophy *is* about simplicity.
Yet everybody at Slashdot flames them down for creating simple user interfaces! How are you going to explain that?
"Personally, I'd rather have intelligent discussion about the strong and weak points of various OS/software/languages/etc. here than stupid name calling."
Yeah but that doesn't mean the rest of Slashdot wants it too. MOST Slashdotters are only interested in flaming everything that's not Apple. If you're looking for intelligent discussions then you must not go to Slashdot.
As opposed to people massively using names like "Lunix" or "open sores"? As long as those MS zealots don't disappear, expect names like "M$".
"For those who really want a Windows-type installer, autopackage.org is coming along quite nicely."
Autpackage attempts to be a lot less annoying and broken than InstallShield.
It's available in Epiphany.
I think he means that you will have to pay developers to do the porting for you.
Or do you really think Mozilla will compile & run on cell phone machines out-of-the-box?
You can disable XFT antialiasing! From GNOME: Applications->Desktop Preferences->Fonts.
Ok/Cancel or Cancel/OK buttons are fundamentally flawed, and outdated. Both GNOME and KDE use action verbs, just like MacOS X. So instead ok Cancel/OK you can Discard/Save or something.
Uhm no. Only Microsoft and Apple themselves are involved in the development of their own OS. Third parties make third party apps, that's all.
And there *are* duplicated effords in the Windows world. How many Win32 text editors do you think exist? How many Win32 HTML editors? How many Win32 firewalls? How many Win32 virus scanners? How many Win32 image editors? Etc. etc. etc.
In other words: no, it doesn't happen in the commercial world.
That's only assuming all those people will actually work on the same single project. If you kill off GNOME there's no guarantee all GNOME developers will work on KDE. I wouldn't be surprised if lots of them just quit programming entirely.
And why is the taskbar+start menu interface broken? Almost everybody uses it, and I've yet to hear any average user complain about it.
"Since Linux crunchies are absolutely dead-set on never replacing the interface failures that are taskbars and start menus,"
*cough* Window Maker? XFCE? ROX? Enlightenment? There are tons of window managers and desktops that don't use a taskbar+start menu interface.
"You want a litmus test? The day someone can buy a printer that comes with a CD, stick the CD into the drive, a menu comes up to install the binary driver, and afterward the printer works."
I bought an Epson printer. I stick in the driver CD, and the install program pops up. I click Next, Next, Next, and after a while I get an error. The printer didn't work.
No dude, Windows is highly overrated. Things don't always work smoothly. Things go wrong more often than you zealots want to admit.
On Fedora Core 1: Applications->System->Printers. Click Add Printer, Next, Next, Next, done.
"At the current pace, that is definitely not going to ever happen with either KDE or GNOME. They both are horrible desktops"
Yeah let's make grand statements without any evidence to back up. What makes GNOME and KDE so horrible? Do you have any usability tests that say GNOME and KDE are totally unusable?
Azureus is not written in GTK, but in SWT. SWT has a GTK binding.