Mozilla 1.7 Released

kashif-khan writes "Right at the verge of Firefox 0.9 and Thunderbird 0.7 being released comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7. Updates include smaller size, increased speed and faster start up times. Be sure to read the release notes for the complete list of features and download it from mozilla.org."

Comments

How YOU can help Open Source!

[Anonymous Coward]

Simple, fire anyone in your organization that develops open source software as a hobby.

This is quite logical.

They prefer working on their projects instead of the work you give them, and quite often will work on their projects on work time even though they are not meant to. By firing them, you give them more time to work on their open source project which produces a better product. You then use their open source project for free. As it has improved, you do not need to buy commercial software and can save money.

So you have saved in two ways. You fire someone who is not working hard enough and replace them with someone more productive. And if enough people fire their open source developers you can ditch your commercial software and get their products for free!

Oh how I love this free software business model!

Re:How YOU can help Open Source!

[mjh]

By your own logic you should ask your boss to be fired. If people just can't control themselves, can we conclude that you post inflamatory comments to discussion sites during work hours?

Re:How YOU can help Open Source!

[Anonymous Coward]

You are, of course, assuming he's at work. And not. You know. At home.

Re:How YOU can help Open Source!

[Deusy]

I know the OP was trying to be funny about the momentum Mozilla has built up since Netscape fired everybody, but he's really far from the truth.

When out of work, I was massively unproductive. Between looking for a job, being depressed, and day-time TV (which is hypnotically bad), it's difficult to get things going with your open source work.

It wasn't until I was contracted to work on my preferred open source project that we made tangible progress.

If you want to help Free Software (which is different open source) then hire the developers to work on Free Software projects. Then they'll be doubly productive motivated by both the project and the fact they can survive in todays dog-eat-dog money-makes-the-world-go-around pay-the-mortgage-or-live-on-the-street civilization of ours.

I do believe some ex-Netscape guys are paid to work on Mozilla by the Mozilla Foundation, and various others are paid to work on Mozilla by the various Free Software oriented companies. I think it was more Mozilla being unshackled from Netscape than the Netscape employees being unshackled from Netscape that has unleashed the recent wave of Mozilla improvements.

Re:How YOU can help Open Source!

[Anonymous Coward]

It's irrelevant. Because he is claiming that people should not be allowed to develop open source software as a hobby, by his own logic, he should be working for his boss even when he is at home.

Re:How YOU can help Open Source!

[Anonymous Coward]

This is the dumbest thread I have seen on /.. Ever.

PS - That includes all my GNAA friends.

Someone please explain this to me.

[LPrime]

I run a dualboot WinXP / FC1 at work and use IE and Firefox .8 in XP and Firefox .8 in my FC.
Does anyone actually have all 3 or in some cases 4 different browsers installed?

Why would you need all of them? Is Firefox that much different then Thunderbird that you need to have both?

I also can't see the one grand feature that would make me completly switch from IE. I know allot of people will bring up a ton of good reasons, but whats the BIGGEST reason to switch?
For a novice user as myself I can't find that great big thing no matter how hard I look.

Just my humble opinion.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[loyalsonofrutgers]

Wait... I thought thunderbird WAS firefox? I'm so confused.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Hi_2k]

Thunderbird isn't a browser, it's an email client. And a danm good one at that. I regularly switch l users to Thunderbird from Outlook, and they never want to go back.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Steveftoth]

The biggest reason to switch for me is that the web development tools for IE suck compared to mozilla/firefox. DOM inspector, JS debugger, etc. all are awesome tools compared to IE.

The fact that IE lets websites install software on your computer doesn't exactly make my day either. I really hate that.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

I find I need both Firefox and Thunderbird. It might be because one is a browser and the other is an e-mail client, but I haven't figured out the trick to make either accomplish both tasks.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[slasher999]

Firefox is a browser, Thunderbird is an email client. The suite is still good if you need a web page editor or if you like everything in one package. Personally, I use IE only when I have to. I use Firefox the rest of the time, I occasionally startup the suite for page editing (usually I just use vim), and I always use Thunderbird for mail.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[skifreak87]

Firefox is a web browser, thunderbird = email client. mozilla is app suite w/ both browser & email & other stuff i believe. One feature to get rid of IE: tabbed browsing. If, like me, you frequently have lots of stuff open it's so much nicer than a crowded taskbar.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Joff_NZ]

Firefox == Web Browser
Thunderbird == Email Client
Mozilla == Web Browser and Email Client in one Application.

And the biggest reason to switch? Well, there are several main ones - but saftey from all the spyware, malware, etc that exploits IE is the biggest one for me. That and pop-up blocking and Tabbed browsing.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[qvek]

Firefox is the browser. Thunderbird is the e-mail client. Mozilla is the suite containing these two products, a new version of which has been released because the two components above have been updated. Hope this helps!

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

the fact that you can block ads, popups, and software from being installed on your computer by simply visiting a website is reason enough for me to switch.

Btw, Firefox is a browser and Thunderbird is a mail client.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Slack3r78]

For starters, you seem to be confused about which project is which, that's understandable. Let's break it down.

Mozilla - The big, all encompassing suite, including a browser, e-mail client, chat, web editor, etc.
Firebird - Standalone browser based on the same code as Mozilla's browswer, but with speed and small memory footprint in mind.
Thunderbird - Standalone e-mail client based on Mozilla code.

As for why - any number of reasons. Tabbed browsing and pop up blocking are commonly cited. It's almost as quick as IE to start and often loads actual pages faster. It also isn't the huge vector for viruses and spyware that IE tends to be thanks to ActiveX. To me, that alone is worth it.

So there really isn't any one big single feature that makes it better, but there are lots of smaller ones that I feel make it a much better browser overall.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[domodude]

Look at the advanced option of Firefox (.9). There is an option (selected on by default) that allows things to be installed from your browser. .xpi files used for the Firefox extensions can also be used to install other less desired software.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Sprite Remix]

Considering the fact that 'l users[sic]' meant 'linux users' I'm surprised this has gone to '+4 Info.'

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[__Maad__]

The interesting thing is that DOM inspector and Venkman (the JS debugger in Moz) are not only excellent tools for web development *in Mozilla* but also for developing for IE, Opera, Safari and so-forth. Many common CSS mixups and accidents can easily be found by simply using the DOM inspector to check what the calculated CSS is for any given element in a rendered document -- setting aside browser quirks this is a useful to have as a web designer period, even if you are a diehard IE holdout. The same goes for the JS debugger and even Mozilla's Javascript Console -- no vague-looking error windows stealing focus away from your main browser window or any of that nonsense, either. IE simply cannot compare, and these tools only get better and better.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Dmala]

One feature to get rid of IE: tabbed browsing.

Everyone touts this as the holy grail of browser features, and for the life of me I can't get used to it. Everytime I try to use it, I always forget what I'm doing and close the damn browser. At least the more recent versions warn you before closing.

The only time I see a real advantage to tabbed browsing is if your taskbar is so crowded that it's started combining items.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[trisweb]

Woah woah woah...

You're right about the first part, but on the second part-- Mozilla is a separate application suite that contains both a Browser and a Mail Client, but they are not Firefox/Thunderbird, they are completely different (mostly). So the updates to Firefox/Thunderbird have little to do with this.

Details, details...

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Solosoft]

What's ironic is my mom doesn't like IE nither now. She was looking for a crack for one of her games she plays (Just her little flash/java games). She comes upto me and goes "Why does IE keep downloading all this spyware".

Im like here ... use this browser
I installed Mozilla Firefox with a nice pretty theme and now she won't go back. She likes tabbed browsing and the point it just works.

Kinda nifty how OSS software is getting into the hands of "average joe".

:)

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[skifreak87]

My taskbar is that crowded even w/ tabbed IM windows I'm out of space.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Hi_2k]

Actually, by l users I meant the class of home users who are overall frightened by computers, also known as lusers.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Aliencow]

Firebird is Firefox now - wouldn't want to confuse anyone..

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

'l users[sic]' meant 'linux users'

Great!! Then Outlook runs on Linux too!.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Zardus]

On the rare occasions that I'm in Windows, I like to use a Blackbox for Windows skin without a taskbar. In those occasions, tabbed browsing is a godsend, as it is in Linux in Blackbox (but tabbed browsing is pretty much a standard feature on Linux).

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[menkhaura]

I also can't see the one grand feature that would make me completly switch from IE. I know allot of people will bring up a ton of good reasons, but whats the BIGGEST reason to switch? no sneaky spyware and annoying popups as you browse those sites with... um... merry ladies...

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[2057]

... my reply to your argument I for the life of me cannot understand why you are having such a hard time with tabbed browsing. Its a mini task bar that saves time and space. Its very simple to use also. The x on the far right, will close the current tab you are using. You can use the tabs to load up websites in the background, like say you are reading an article with a link to a product. But you want to finish the article before viewing the product you can then open the product in the background and let it load while you read. Or lets say you are doing a google search on a topic, you can use tabbed browsing to open up various sources and have them load in the background while you keep looking for more sources. Then when you are ready to begin reading you can simply click the tab and everythings already loaded. And for these reasons plus so many more, you sir are a buffoon.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[generic-man]

On my PowerBook, I have the following browsers installed: (* means it came preinstalled)

1. Internet Explorer 5 for Mac OS 9 *
2. Internet Explorer 5 for Mac OS X *
3. Safari *
4. Camino
5. Firefox
6. Konqueror

I do web application development, so it often helps to be logged in as different people at the same time.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Cromac]

I know allot of people will bring up a ton of good reasons, but whats the BIGGEST reason to switch?

You can get pretty much anything Mozilla does by installing third party tools for IE, but the biggest reason(s) I switched from IE to Mozilla are tabbed browsing and built in popup blocking as a tie. I switched a long time ago, before there were as many decent popup blockers for IE.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[plover]

I keep my taskbar double tall, and still manage to fill it beyond the squish point. I usually have between 4 and 8 Dev Studios running, Outlook, a phone message retriever, two or three command windows, SQL query analyzer, the odd telnet or seven, and Mozilla (with a half dozen tabs or so.) If I wasn't constantly consulting on half a dozen different projects simultaneously, it might be easier.

Believe me, the tabs are not hard to love.

You might like them better if you change the preference to always leave tab bar on. I like having the little "new tab" icon always present so I can insta-google (i HATE searching from the address bar. That's for URLs, not random text.)

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[(C)0N0(R)]

What's ironic is my mom doesn't like IE nither now. She was looking for a crack for one of her games she plays (Just her little flash/java games). She comes upto me and goes "Why does IE keep downloading all this spyware".

Are you sure she didnt ask "Why do I keep downloading all this spyware?" ;)

Maybe you should steer her towards some 0SS games, keep her off the crack sites.

Forgive me for talking about your mom.
Please forgive me for saying "keep her off the the crack" while talking 'bout your mom.;)

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[The Analog Kid]

The differences is that there is always a confirmation dialog box that asks you if you want to install it(I'm pretty sure you can turn that off though, but then it's your fault if you get hit with spyware), it just won't install all by itself. It also will tell you it's unsigned and I don't think spyware will ever be signed.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

"average joe"

Your moms a guy?

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Sprite Remix]

I meant the fact that OUTLOOK can't run on LINUX. I assumed that the person was talking about "LINUX USERS"

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Trejkaz]

On the topic of authoring, it's a damn shame there is no good Mozilla-official authoring tool. There is Nvu, but whereas it's based on Mozilla it doesn't come with the same consistency as other Mozilla apps... and it would be a lot better if these things focused on authoring XML in general, rather than HTML.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

The one thing that I've found that IE does better is reporting XLST errors. So whenever I'm working on XSLT (which doesn't happen that often) and Mozilla gives me that nice vague "I don't like the looks of that code", I open the file in IE and it tells me exactly what's wrong.

Then I close IE and wash my hands.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[(C)0N0(R)]

I assume that google is your home page; a new tab brings up google. I would like to see the 'search' button open up a new tab.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

In fact, Camino (another Mozilla program) was recently updated as a result of the Mozilla 1.7 updates to the Gecko rendering engine. (I'm not entirely sure if this holds true for Firefox/Thunderbird.)

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[some guy I know]

whats [sic] the BIGGEST reason to switch?

Tabs.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

Microsoft actually has a script debugger it's not bad.

"Microsoft Script Debugger" on http://msdn.microsoft.com/scripting

There's IEDocMon
http://www.cheztabor.com/IEDocMon/

Which seems to be a prettier DOM Inspector.

I was pretty sure Safari had a dom inspection tool in it, but my mac's at home and I haven't looked for that feature.

Now, what I kinda want is a dom inspector for Camino :( -- although, I'd settle for a JavaScript console.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

MyIE2 and Crazy Browser both have tabbed browsing. A future version of IE may have tabbed browsing too.

One could use FrontPage or FrontPad or FrontPage Express if one wants an MDI interface instead of lots of IE windows cluttering up their taskbar. There's also a demo app from microsoft, the only thing i can remember about it was the carot icon (it's been years, it was kinda cute).

I thought manticore had tabbed browsing, but my research seems to indicate it didn't :(.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[thrash242]

I find it very handy. I'd rather have one browser window open with multiple tabs than many windows open. You can open links with a middle click and have them load in the background and save them until you get done reading the page you're on. You can easily cycle through them (CTRL-TAB) without having to go through unrelated windows for other applications. You can bookmark a group of related tabs together and open them all up at once. (news sites and the like that you check every day, for instance) And in all seriousness, it's also handy for pr0n-viewing.

It takes some getting used to, but since I have tried it, I wouldn't ever go back. I find it a much more efficient way of working. I'm glad it has the confirm before closing the window, as I used to close all my tabs all the time. 1.8a also has a confirm for the "close all other tabs" option.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[thrash242]

I agree, but instead of getting carpal-tunnel syndrome, you can also just hit CTRL-F4 to close the current tab or you can simply right click the tab and pick close. Moving the mouse cursor all the way up to the upper right of your screen every time you want to close a tab seems like a big pain in the @$$ to me.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Kobayashi Maru]

Not good enough.

How many times have you watched users click "OK" to install Comet Cursor or Bonzai Buddy or Weather Bug or whatever else.

Malicious XPIs already exist. So do "stupid" users. If Firefox continues to gain marketshare, the combination will be just as annoying as the IE mess is now.

Isn't it ridiculously obvious that you can't trust the user to make an informed decision about button to click by now?

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[mabinogi]

> but whats the BIGGEST reason to switch?

Why don't you find out for yourself.
There are some decisions in life that are important, and weighty, and have significant consequences...for those decisions, you should make sure you find out verything you know first before making them.

Choice of browser is not one of those decisions. It's a 5 meg download, then it's a case of clicking the globe with a red fox on it instead of the e with the halo. It's really not that hard, and you're not commited. You can always click the E again next time if it didn't work out clicking the fox.

Since you say you already use it, I'm a bit confused as to why you're asking. If you can't think of a reason, after having used it then just don't switch, keep uisng IE if it suits you ok, there's no shame in it.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[moondo]

The simple enough reason for a normal person to switch to firefox from IE... is because (a) firefox allows much faster and efficient browsing with the tabs (just have to middle click any link), (b) will stop popups w/o making you have to install some weird "tool bar", (c) will avoid spyware and other suspicious things from mysteriously getting into the unaware user's computer, (d) seems to be faster than IE, and (e) will get a kind and nice explanation of how to use the browser's features by someone (I'd never teach them how to use IE).

I made 2 girls change to firefox just by showing them the tabbed browsing and by telling them "... it's much better, yo!". Checked on them a few weeks later and they were still using it. That's all they wanted... a hassle-free, simple to use, understandable, non-deceiving internet program.

Just my humble opinion.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

There's doczilla, but iirc it's more for handling xml than building it.

there are people interested in making composer more xml friendly, or merging more of domi into it, or making it more capable of dealing w/ xul (which is an xml). but it's not a simple task. (now that's an understatement....)

yes it'd be nice. and yes ms developer studio can do some xml editing, but for the time being i'd simply be happy if mozilla had decent soap capabilities (and no, i don't like soap at all, but i'm using it).

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[j-pimp]

Ok heres how it works folks.

Mozilla is built on various libraries and technologies. The "lead singer" of this all is gecko. That is the html renderer. Their are other components, the javascript engine, the DOM model, XSLT, plugins, a network library, etc.
Anyway, Mozilla is like a band. Bordering on an orchestra. However, like any band it gets type casted. So the programmers rearrranged the musicians and created side project bands. Thunderbird and FireFox. Its kind of like how the Wilson sisters have a side project band. Basically if they book a show as said side project, its their way of saying, don't expect us to play Baracudda or Dog and Butterfly.

Back out of metaphor land. All these programs exist in te same source tree. They have intereleated dependencies. The way its setup now is code freezes of core APIs are cordinated so that in theory changes to Gecko and the like don't break any of the applications, except at agreed upon times if their changing the api.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[ManxStef]

Indeed, the developer tools for Mozilla rock. The best dev toolbar I've seen has to be the Web Developer Extension by Chris Spederick. It's AMAZING. I've been using the PNHToolbar for ages, but this one blows it away. The "View Style Information" targeting, where you then hover the mouse over any element and it displays the CSS heirarcy in the statusbar, makes it invaluable just for that feature alone.

(Props to glwtta for plugging it in the Firebird v0.9 story.)

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Rhubarb Crumble]

"average joe"

Your moms a guy?

maybe it should be "average jo", as in joanna?

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[ManxStef]

Eek, Chris Pederick, even. Sorry, Chris!

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[acebone]

or CTRL+W

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[seasleepy]

This is late, but it's worth pointing out that the new Extension Manager has a whitelist of sites to install from: mozilla.org, mozdev.org, and texturizer.net (via xpinstall documentation).

So this isn't a problem anymore unless the clueless users go add new preferences in about:config or save the spyware extensions to disk (which most of them can't do if they just pop up on page load).

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

In Spanish, the 'j' is pronounced as an 'h'.

HTH. HAND.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[C0deM0nkey]

Just thought I would point this out: Microsoft has a usable debugger for javascript - you just have to find it, download it, install, etc. Check out MSIE Javascript Debugger

I still prefer [Mozilla|Netscape|Firefox]'s debugger, but the linked one takes a bit of the byte (:)) out of debugging web apps in IE.

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe you should steer her towards some 0SS games, keep her off the crack

My mom likes crack and I turned out just fine!

-- Wee Todd

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[Trejkaz]

Well at the very least, an XML editor is simpler than an HTML editor. XUL would be a pain though, I agree. But very, very cool to have in Composer. :-)

Re:Someone please explain this to me.

[SmittyTheBold]

I don't care about it all being in one place, but I do appreciate the smaller memory footprint, and I really enjoy alt-clicking links in my mail client and choosing "open link in new tab."

fp?

[slasher999]

Nice to see some faster turn around times and everything coming together! I'm loving FF 0.9 and TB 0.7 so far.

Re:fp?

[OzRoy]

Yeah they are great. But their timing sucks. They should of waited a couple weeks. With so many releases all at once there aren't enough insightful comments /. readers can make and post across 3 different articles without repeating themselves!

Re:fp?

[matt4077]

From now on, every idiot who uses the term "could of" will be tracked down, stripped to a chair in front of a TV with a loop of GWB speeches and forgotten.

Re:fp?

[hb253]

Hear hear! Bless you! Nucular Nucular ARRRGH!

And it's better than ever!

[(1337) God]

No wonder Mozirra's #1!?

There is a REASON I dropped Netscape completely a couple years ago.

With Netscape, each version was much larger, a hell of a lot slower, and it crashed more often.

Mozilla actually GETS BETTER as it evolves.

It's like some dumb bird vs. the roadrunner.

Thank you Open Source: this wouldn't have happened with you, and the dedicated OSS community (Slashdot, ThinkGeek, SourceForge, Kuro5hin, Fark, etc.)

Re:And it's better than ever!

[Anonymous Coward]

Mozirra, heh, sounds like an anime bad guy. How'd you manage that typo? R isn't even close to L, on a qwerty keyboard at least. Do I smell a dvorak user?

Re:And it's better than ever!

[tupps]

You should use MacOSX you get the same feeling every time Apple releases a new version ;-) Maybe it was just to slow to start with :-(

PS: Will concede that Windows XP boots a lot faster than 2000 but everything in it still runs at the same old pace.

Re:And it's better than ever!

[JPriest]

Tell me you didn't just thank Fark?

Re:And it's better than ever!

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean Wile E. Coyote, you insensitive clod!

Re:And it's better than ever!

[Anonymous Coward]

Check the posting history. He's a troll.

Re:And it's better than ever!

[Anonymous Coward]

What's up, Dr. Dowder? What the hell is Mozirra, btw? Your .sig has to be bull crap.

Re:And it's better than ever!

[Disevidence]

Does someone have to point out everytime this guy posts that he's a troll?

He spouts inane platitudes to get Karma, than trolls with it. Move along, nothing to see.

Re:And it's better than ever!

[joeljkp]

I think he's making a play-on-words with Godzilla, which was originally Godzirra (I believe).

Re:And it's better than ever!

[grendelkhan]

Actually the pronunciation was "gojirra" as there are no "z" or "l (in the middle of a word)" sounds in Japanese.

Right at the verge?

[Anonymous Coward]

Right at the verge of Firefox 0.9 and Thunderbird 0.7 being released comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7.

That should be this:

Right on the heels of Firefox 0.9's and Thunderbird 0.7's releases comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7.

Re:Right at the verge?

[PitaBred]

I thought that too, but I went to Merriam Webster's online dictionary and apparently verge is just the edge of something, doesn't matter whether it's fore or aft. It does sound funny using it like that in the article though.

Re:Right at the verge?

[boarder8925]

That should be this:

Right on the heels of Firefox 0.9's and Thunderbird 0.7's releases comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7.

Actually, this sounds much better:

The official release of Mozilla 1.7 comes right on the heels of the releases of both Firefox 0.9 and Thunderbird 0.7.

It's not passive voice, and it makes a bit more sense.

Re:Right at the verge?

[martin-boundary]

No, no, verge is correct. It's Quebecois ;-)

Re:Right at the verge?

[ratsnapple tea]

"Right on the heels ... comes the ... release" isn't passive voice either. I'd say it's a wash whether the inverted sentence structure or the regular variety is better--both have their pros and cons. Damn that copyediting apprenticeship. :-P

Re:Right at the verge?

[ratsnapple tea]

How about "Right on the heels of new releases of both Firefox and Thundirbird comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7"?

Re:Right at the verge?

[turnin]

you are right for NOW.
>It does sound funny using it like that
Those "funny usages" are the corner stones for a dictionary to evolve and exist.
If all people followed dictionary strictly(impossible, because it is life and we lives on change) then a millennium back dictionary still holds good today.

Re:Right at the verge?

[c0p0n]

It may sound funnier if you know spanish, it's a word like verga

Re:Right at the verge?

[CentrX]

It's still very much an inappropriate use. It's the edge or boundary of something physical like a wall or the horizon, not of some release time. When used in "on the verge" it is of something towards which there is progress or tendency, the point at which something begins.

Awesome!

[222]

Does this release actually render slashdot correctly?
Not a troll, but theres nothing more sad than to read about people forced into using IE because of banking sites, yet i have to refresh 5 times just to keep the article text from bleeding into the left column. :(

Re:Awesome!

[BlackErtai]

Well, FireFox renders it correctly, and since it uses an older version of Gecko from what I understand (it hasn't moved to the newest Gecko rendering engine as far as I know) I'd assume that Mozilla renders it correctly.

Re:Awesome!

[Pyrion]

I only had that problem when I applied the UI tweak that forces the browser to redraw more often than it's defaulted to.

Forgot which one it is though since I lost all that to a reformat.

Re:Awesome!

[Fjornir]

Sadly I've got the same behavior here. The leftnav with "Sections", "Help", etc renders on top of the comment text.

W2K, latest and greatest drivers and all updates Firefox .9

Remind me to hit bugzilla later.

Re:Awesome!

[Anonymous Coward]

I've never had a problem with either browser rendering /. In fact I am using FireFox 0.9 right now and the site looks fine. I viewed slashdot with every version of Mozilla since 1.3 and every version of FireFox (previously FireBird) since 0.7 without a problem (sorry if that's redundant).

Re:Awesome!

[BW_Nuprin]

I've been using FF and Mozilla before it, since Mozilla milestone M14, and I can't recall the last time I saw Slashdot render incorrectly. And yet, I always see these posts... is there a bug filed somewhere regarding it, because its always worked for me.

Re:Awesome!

[Anonymous Coward]

Remember to hit bugzilla.

Re:Awesome!

[222]

Yes, its a real problem.

Re:Awesome!

[Espectr0]

I keep seeing this like for 2-3 months now:

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The more popular the article, the more lines i get about this.
Is this a slashdot bug? I am on safari

Re:Awesome!

[hattig]

When Slashdot fucks up:

1) Click Back Button
2) Click Forward Button

Always renders correctly after clicking the forward button.

Re:Awesome!

[BW_Nuprin]

I wonder if its because of short names...? Thank you for clueing (sp?) me in, though.

Re:Awesome!

[obotics]

For those interested in tracking this bug, it is Bug 217527 in Bugzilla (copy link and paste into another window ^_^). I have seen this problem many times; usually one or two refreshes will fix the problem. Note that the status on the bug says "Fixed." However the fix was pulled back out due to a problem with the patch.

Re:Awesome!

[wowbagger]

Just do a CTRL-mousewheel (or whatever you have your font size change bound to).

That will force a re-render and clean things up.

The bugzilla number is 217527 (the Mozilla team do not want direct links from Slashdot to Bugzilla - if you cannot figure out how to get from here to there without a link you probably shouldn't be going there anyway.)

Re:Awesome!

[Anonymous Coward]

I think a little pressure could only help. I mean, come on, it's been a listed bug since 2003-08-27!!!

Re:Awesome!

[Jagasian]

Is this a bug in Mozilla or a bug in Slashdot? I notice it in Mozilla on Windows and on Linux.

Re:Awesome!

[Anonymous Coward]

> Not a troll, but theres nothing more sad than to read about people forced into using IE because of banking sites

Even funnier when you think about the fact that even Microsoft's site works just fine from Firefox. At least MSDN anyway. Gives me a silly warning about using an unsupported browser, doesn't give me the dynamic menus, but renders just fine, everything's accessible.

Re:Awesome!

[hdparm]

For me, it actually just started with 0.9 (on my laptop AND on my PC - both FC2). Doesn't take multiple reloads thou, just a single one, to re-render properly. I can confirm it on Firefox startup, new tab loading and new page loading but it doesn't happen every time.

Is it possible that it's something with /. rather than Firefox itself? I just haven't noticed anything wrong with any other web site?!?

p.s. Heh - it's happening again, right now, while I'm previewing this post.

Re:Awesome!

[Spetiam]

Incidentally, I haven't seen Slashdot render incorrectly with any of the recent releases of Mozilla or Firefox (including the current releases) under Windows. Is this a problem people are running into only under non-Windows platforms, or is mine just a unique case?

Re:Awesome!

[KarmaMB84]

It is a Mozilla bug.

Re:Awesome!

[stars_are_number_1]

Don't you mean, open a new tab and copy the url into the location bar? ;-)

Re:Awesome!

[ares284]

I am using Firefox 0.9 right now and /. looks great! I don't see anything wrong at all. I even have the RSS extension so I can keep /. headlines with me wherever I may roam.

-Ares

Re:Awesome!

[general_re]

Incidentally, I haven't seen Slashdot render incorrectly with any of the recent releases of Mozilla or Firefox (including the current releases) under Windows.

I have - FF 0.8 under Win2k did it all the time, overlapping the text with the sidebars. FF 0.9 is not doing it at the moment, but the problem was intermittent under 0.8, so I'll wait a while to see if it's really fixed or not.

Re:Awesome!

[Fjornir]

Thanks AC. Your reminder reminded me and when I got home I filled out a bug.

Re:Awesome!

[MoThugz]

For me, pressing Ctrl+ (Control And Plus key) and Ctrl- (Control And Minus key) always fixes this problem. ... And yeah, only on Slashdot.

Re:Awesome!

[MoThugz]

Ehh... sorry for double posting, but what kinda porn are you downloading on mIRC... I can only make up PoRnD....

Re:Awesome!

[dewke]

Does this release actually render slashdot correctly?

I don't have a problem with firefox .9 with slashdot or my bank's www site. I did have an annoying problem with FF .8 and wachovia where it would continually reload the login page until I manually reloaded it, but I haven't seen that yet in .9

Re:Awesome!

[aardwolf204]

What skin/theme is that for XP? URL welcome.

Re:Awesome!

[anethema]

I would also be interested in the theme.

Re:Awesome!

[ComaVN]

Not on my machine, it doesn't. Firefox still does that sometimes (although I rarely need more than one reload). That bug has been there for a long time.

(and of course, now that I preview this comment, everything shifts about a screen's width to the right)

Re:Awesome!

[ComaVN]

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217527 seems to be the bug, (argh, bugzilla doesn't allow referals from /.)
Although it's marked as fixed, both Firefox 0.9 and Mozilla 1.7 still get the testcase wrong (on WinXP SP1)

Re:Awesome!

[Cryogenes]

Control + mouse wheel makes the problem go away.

Re:Awesome!

[demonbug]

I've been having a problem lately where I get an error message saying something like "/. not found" when I try to go back to Slashdot. Not really related, I just found it funny - I often times can't go back to Slashdot by hitting the back button.

Re:Awesome!

[Dave2 Wickham]

Set your threshold lower, or just disable that message with Hard Thresholds.

Re:Awesome!

[__aatgod8309]

It looks a bit like Firefox Grey Modern.

Re:Awesome!

[Feztaa]

I get this bug on slashdot ALL the time (nowhere else, either). The amount of the bleed varies. Sometimes it is 2 pixels, most of the time it is ~15 pixels, sometimes it's so messed up that you can't see the article text anywhere (just the left sidebar takes up the whole page).

For those of you advocating reloading the page, you can do that if you want to waste all your bandwidth. Instead, increase the font size and then shrink it again fixes the alignment for me every time. Slightly less annoying than reloading a handful of times.

Re:Awesome!

[Feztaa]

I don't remember the last time I loaded up /. and it didn't look like that.

Re:Awesome!

[mlefevre]

The bug was actually fixed last month. The fix didn't make it into 1.7 though because the change caused another problem - that problem is now being worked on. When the secondary problem is fixed, the combined fix should get into a 1.7.1 version and/or Firefox 1.0.

If you want it to work right now, either apply the patch to the 1.7 code and compile it yourself, or grab a trunk nightly build.

Re:Awesome!

[hb253]

Same here. Slashdot has always displayed properly using any version of Mozilla and FF that I've ever used.

Re:Awesome!

[Anonymous Coward]

If you read the bug, you'll see that it didn't make the 1.7 release.

Re:Awesome!

[POWRSURG]

Have you tried clearing your cache? I've had similar issues where I could not go back to a site. Clearing the cache fixed this.

I believe I had seen this listed as a bug that was originally in 1.2 that snuck back in. I haven't checked to see if has been corrected yet. Of course, I can rarely ever find previous bugs in Bugzilla, but that's a whole nother topic entirely....

Re:Awesome!

[arduous]

But I only visit slashdot.org, you insensitive clod!!

Re:Awesome!

[roror]

well .. what if i visit slashdot the first thing in the morning ?

Re:Awesome!

[222]

that was the bots name ;)
PornDCC|349 was more than happy to send me Sinful.Asians.3.DVDRip.XXX-RVF-CD1.mpg.
Heh

Re:Awesome!

[hattig]

Click on a link and then click back!

Or use the ctrl-mousewheel text-size fix.

Surely this problem could therefore be fixed by a simple automatic page refactoring after everything has loaded?

Re:Awesome!

[Eil]

I noticed this behavior after a bunch of modifications to Slashdot happened. The problem went away when I stopped going through my junkbuster proxy, so I assume that it was slashdot's ad stuff that was mucking up the browser. Either that or a new subversive plot by CmdrTaco to FORCE me to view slashdot ads. Kinda funny that this is the one website on the whole net where I can't filter out ads without disasterous results.

Re:Awesome!

[Espectr0]

But i do want to see that message , it's just that i don't want to see it BEFORE the article discussion comes up. It's showing besides the usual place (below comments) before the article, without sense. For example, i look at the word 5.1 article:

"'Word 5.1 is 13 years old in 2004. Many people still swear by it. Powerful features, stable application, without bloat. Nirvana by Microsoft. It's been all downhill from there...' I always thought WordPerfect 5.1 was pretty good as well. I still use it alongside my OfficeXP."

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But i do want it to appear below posts, like this:

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Re:Awesome!

[Dave2 Wickham]

Ah, sorry, didn't understand what you meant from the post.

*shuts up*

Re:Awesome!

[aardwolf204]

I was refering to your Windows XP skin, not your Mozilla theme. Happen to know the name / where you got it? Thanks.

Re:Awesome!

[Anonymous Coward]

So, was it marked as a dupe of bug 217527?

Re:Awesome!

[Myen]

Actually, going by the window icon, as well as the buttons in the bottom left corner (naviagtor, messenger, composer, address book, and ChatZilla) it's probably Navigator (from Seamonkey, the suite) using the Modern theme.

Re:Awesome!

[stars_are_number_1]

Wow, nice little workaround... I love it!!
Thanks a bunch, this is much better than reloading slashdot 10 times over on my 24kpbs dial-up connection.

Whoo-hoo! /.'s actually readable all the time!

Re:Awesome!

[222]

Its the Eclipse theme from Style.XP.v2.0. I've been using it for months and havent gotten tired of it ;).

Re:Awesome!

[Fjornir]

Yup.

Next bug will be on the search capabilities of their bugbase.

Re:Awesome!

[ae]

For those interested in tracking this bug, it is Bug 217527 in Bugzilla (copy link and paste into another window ^_^).

The Bugzilla administrators seem to have removed the HTTP referer check, so now you can link to Bugzilla bugs from Slashdot again.

Re:Awesome!

[Anonymous Coward]

I still get "Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled."

Is the Copy/Paste bug fixed?

[JasonUCF]

I see no updates on Bugzilla for any of the trees -- for the life of pete, that "intermittent" copy paste bug is awful. Every now and then copy/paste funtionality will just disappear. You can't copy anything.

I can stand misrendered pages, I can stand missing URL's, I can stand a memory leak that might force me to restart the system every now and then -- but yee gods, if you mysteriously take my copy/paste away from me at inopportune moments.. madness! URL's hand typed! Monkeys flying out you know what comes next!

I love the 'zillas to death and I am typing this on Firefox now. I'm not saying the bug forces me to abandon it.. it's just.. so... painful! Help me obi-developers, you're my only hope!

(can I get a witness? holla!)

Re:Is the Copy/Paste bug fixed?

[PitaBred]

I've noticed it in some older releases, too. Normally switching to another window and doing some typing or something would clear it up for me, IIRC. It hasn't happened for a while. It actually seemed to just lose focusing abilities, not just copy and paste.

Re:Is the Copy/Paste bug fixed?

[i_should_be_working]

"Monkeys flying out you know what comes next!"

i *don't* know what comes next. this looks like the kind of phrase/rant i would like to use, but i have to know how it ends.

Re:Is the Copy/Paste bug fixed?

[Anonymous Coward]

FYI, they come out your (butt|ass|tush|can|hindside)

e.g. "Right, and monkeys might fly out of my butt"

Re:Is the Copy/Paste bug fixed?

[Stephen Williams]

Normally switching to another window and doing some typing or something would clear it up for me, IIRC. ... It actually seemed to just lose focusing abilities, not just copy and paste.

I've found that opening and dismissing the Preferences window clears the problem up. Annoying, but I can live with it.

I've only noticed this bug with Firefox (0.8, haven't tried 0.9 yet) and Mozilla (1.6) under Linux. I haven't experienced the bug with Firefox (0.8 and 0.9) under Windows.

-Stephen

Why is it still in development?

[Space_Soldier]

Why are they still developing Mozilla instead of just developing Firefox, Thunderbird, and the core? Firefox, Thunderbird are still pet projects. That is why their development is so slow. Firefox has been in development for a lot of time.

Re:Why is it still in development?

[taped2thedesk]

From a 1.6 release announcement:

We're moving forward and shifting our development attention to Firebird and Thunderbird, (but) we're not going to abandon the suite," Decrem said.

In fact, Mozilla has found that many enterprises and larger organizations considering Mozilla want a full application suite, Decrem said.

Re:Why is it still in development?

[trisweb]

Actually, I thought that FF/TB development *was* picking up quite a bit recently... we've gone from 0.7 to 0.9 in less than a year, I mean, that's something isn't it?

Honestly though, some developers have different focuses. Some people will never stop working on the big Mozilla for various reasons, and because of the nature of open source it's really pretty hard to get an open source project to die as long as it has people that want to improve it. But I have read (in an interview somewhere) that the main focus of the mozilla organization is moving toward the smaller modular programs if that's what you're thinking.

Re:Why is it still in development?

[Space_Soldier]

This was not a troll. This is moderator abuse. I was asking a legitimate question for my own curiosity. I really wanted to know why it is still in development. I was not trolling or being sarcastic.

Re:Why is it still in development?

[puck01]

Perhaps because there is still interest in Mozilla? I continue to use it on my home computer because I personally like the integration. Everywhere else I use Firefox.

I just upgrade to 1.7 from 1.5 and I have to say I'm very impressed with the difference. This version is much more responsive and very quick in comparsion to 1.5. I'm not sure I could tell the difference between Mozilla 1.7 and firefox 1.9 on this computer if I was blinded, and I never thought I'd be saying that

puck

Re:Why is it still in development?

[puck01]

Correction:

I meant firefox 0.9!

Re:Why is it still in development?

[psoriac]

I'm not sure I could tell the difference between Mozilla 1.7 and firefox 1.9 on this computer if I was blinded [...]

I'm not sure anyone could tell the difference if they were blinded first. :)

Re:Why is it still in development?

[linuxhansl]

I actually like Mozilla.
On paging operating systems the parts of the executable you don't use are never loaded anyway. And I for one do not see any speed improvements with Firefox as far as page rendering is concerned.

Also if you happen to use the Browser and Email reader (like I do) you're better of using the integrated Mozilla as compared to two executables (Firefox and Thunderbird).
I hope Mozilla continues.

Re:Why is it still in development?

[Anonymous Coward]

I hope they never abandon the Mozilla suite. I rarely use the email client, and never the chat client. I do find Composer useful for casual web page editing, particularly if I am printing or saving a web page.

I try each new version of Firebird/Firefox, but stay with Mozilla for these reasons:

1. Finer grained controls (out of the box)
2. Text-only menu option
3. Don't see that big a speed difference. Now K-Meleon...
4. I know this is going to sound stupid to some, but... I hate the name "Firefox". I'd be embarassed to tell people that I use a browser by that name, or to recommend it to anyone over the age of 20. Sounds silly. IMO, they reinforce that impression with a slogan like "The Browser, Reloaded". OK for the gaming crowd, but for business? I hate to see the investment in the Firefox brand, while a better brand (Mozilla) seems to languish.

Re:Why is it still in development?

[Anonymous Coward]

Uh ?

What about Composer ? What about Calendar ? What about Chatzilla ?

Users will take back the control of the web if they take back the control of the access platform.

What is needed is a troyan horse, a new application that everybody must have (like some IM or p2p thing, or blogger thing done right, but more probably something we don't yet know). If such application is integrated in mozilla, then, *bam*, 2 years later IE is irrelevant.

Of course, if various asshole keep breaking mozilla appart, we'll never get that bundling effect, and, if firefox beats IE, microsoft will only have to update IE to beat them back.

Re:Why is it still in development?

[mlefevre]

Pretty much all of the new stuff in Mozilla 1.7 is core development, or Firefox/Thunderbird/Chatzilla development that can also be applied to the suite without significant extra effort.

In terms of front-end work, Firefox/Thunderbird development is going much faster than the suite, where development has pretty much stopped.

Re:Why is it still in development?

[Anonymous Coward]

I actually find mozilla faster than firefox (0.8 vs 1.6) in debian unstable. Mozilla is almost instantaneous (maybe it uses preloading), while I have to wait a second or two for firefox to come to screen.

Re:Why is it still in development?

[nine-times]

To modify what you're saying a little bit, why don't they break up the mozilla client in it's constituant parts (Calendar, Address book, Mail, Chat, Browser, whatever), offer each as a separate client, and then offer the "suite" as just a bundling of all these things together?

Instead, it seems like, by developing the suite and the stand-alone applications in parrellel, they're just dividing their efforts. Is there a benefit to fragmenting the development that I'm not seeing? There's nothing in the Mozilla browser that couldn't be put into Firefox, and nothing in the mail client that couldn't be put into Thunderbird, so why do it twice? And why not give people the choice over exactly which components they want? Plus, and I know this is a matter of opinion, I find the Firefox/Thunderbird interfaces and default themes to be a lot cleaner and up-to-date looking.

That being said, Mozilla is a great project and they're doing a great job.

Re:Why is it still in development?

[Eil]

Why are they still developing Mozilla instead of just developing Firefox, Thunderbird, and the core?

Because Mozilla is not simply a web browser. This is a misconception that a lot of people have. Before anything else, Mozilla is a technology. Other products such as Firefox, Thunderbird, and a slew of other third-party applications use Mozilla as their base platform. The fact that the technology and the application suite are both called "Mozilla" is very confusing. Although I can't find anything on this anymore, the old Mozilla web site explicitly stated that Mozilla-the-application-suite was for reference and testing and that external parties were responsible for making complete software packages. For a quite a while, they even refused to make binaries available. Bottom line: end users shouldn't be using the Mozilla suite unless they are testing or developing the underlying technology. Well, in theory.

Firefox, Thunderbird are still pet projects.

They are hardly pet projects. The big push began over a year ago to make Firefox (then "Phoenix") and Thunderbird the main focus of future development. The main difference between Mozilla and Firefox/Thunderbird is that the latter were specifically designed to be fit for use by the general public. The Mozilla suite will still probably be around forever as it's the implementation of the technology that the developers hack upon.

Firefox has been in development for a lot of time.

Are you mad? According to this MozillaZine article the first Phoenix nightlies became available on or around September 5, 2002. If you generously estimate that they had been working on the pre-0.1 code behind closed doors for a few months prior, that means that Firefox has been in development for almost two years. You call THAT a long time? To have a piece of software--let alone something as complex as a web browser--almost ready for 1.0 in two years is nothing short of astonishing.

That is why their development is so slow.

I have no evidence of whether or not Firefox and Thuderbird development is "slow" (or what you would compare it to in order to arrive at that descision), but based on what I have presented above, I think it's fair to say that "slow" probably isn't an apt term in this case.

MODERATOR ABUSE-NOT A TROLL

[setzman]

Does this release actually render slashdot correctly? Not a troll, but theres nothing more sad than to read about people forced into using IE because of banking sites, yet i have to refresh 5 times just to keep the article text from bleeding into the left column. :(

This is a real issue with Mozilla and FireFox (based on Mozilla obviously), thus the parent has a legitimate concern as opposed to being a troll.

Re:MODERATOR ABUSE-NOT A TROLL

[geeber]

I have had the same problem with Firefox at the New York Times for a long time, too, which has kept me from recommending Firefox to a lot of people I know. I know the bug is still there with Slashdot in Firefox 0.9, although I don't recall seeing it at the Times with the current release yet.

Re:MODERATOR ABUSE-NOT A TROLL

[sharkey]

Yes, it IS a bug, but go read the Bugzilla write-up posted above. It's a bug in table layouts. While it should be fixed, I suspect that if Slashdot were to use valid, standard markup instead of table mangling, Mozilla would render it fine.

Check out the Slashdot Web Standards Example.

Re:MODERATOR ABUSE-NOT A TROLL

[ron_ivi]

Even better (IMHO), is the CSS Zen Garden - Slashdot look&feel.

While not a 100% clone, it's cool because ALL the layout&look&feel is done in CSS. It's the exact same html as this, this, and even this wireless-device-friendly look

If slashcode adopted this approach, we could all use whatever look we wanted for whatever device we were using; just by having a user-specified style sheet!

Why use Mozilla anyway?

[Rogue Leader]

Firefox is prettier by default. Now pardon me, I have to grab my Hello Kitty lunchbox and skip out the door. Weeeeh!

Re:Why use Mozilla anyway?

[TRACK-YOUR-POSITION]

Okay, just don't upgrade to 0.9... ;)

Re:Why use Mozilla anyway?

[irokitt]

Actually, if you want to make Firefox look prettier, try FirefoxModern, which makes Firefox look like Mozilla. Certainly prettier than the new default theme (although I'm partial to Qute).

Re:Why use Mozilla anyway?

[slashdot_commentator]

Because webbrowsing isn't the only thing one does on a 'puter. You need to read email too. Using Mozilla saves on the bloat of using the mail client too.

And even though I don't process email on my Windows laptop, I still put the full Mozilla in and set the defaults to go through mozilla mail rather than *ahem*...

Re:Why use Mozilla anyway?

[FauxPasIII]

The real win of this theme for me is, when you select small icons, it makes them by-god SMALL. I have limited screen real-estate on my laptop and need to squish those icons down all I can.

Fedora Core 2

[hypermike]

From the Article:

Users of Fedora Core 2 may experience unusually long delays in resolving hostnames. This results from the fact that IPv6 is enabled by default in Fedora Core 2. If you do not need IPv6 support (which is most likely the case), then it is advised that you disable it in the kernel. To do this run the following command as root: echo "alias net-pf-10 off" >> /etc/modprobe.conf You will need to reboot to have this take effect (or simply unload the ipv6 kernel module).

An FYI if anyone is having trouble on Fedora.

Re:Fedora Core 2

[revmoo]

I actually had this problem in Windows, I had turned on ipv6 a long time ago and forgotten about it. I couldn't figure out why some sites would take AGES to load, but then I realized it was only sites with AAAA records causing the delay.

Re:Fedora Core 2

[Anonymous Coward]

It's nice that there are ways to disable IPv6 support in various OSes, but isn't the real problem Mozilla's mis-handling of IPv6

Re:Fedora Core 2

[Anonymous Coward]

so you're an ipv6 expert? please explain in one of the ipv6 bugs how mozilla is mishandling it.

for the rest of the world, there are mozilla prefs to disable ipv6. it's less drastic than disabling it for all apps.

note that many of the problems relate to poorly configured dns servers (fe doubleclick).

Found 'em.

[Pyrion]

They were the "content.notify" tweaks, ontimer, interval, and backoffcount.

acroread bug?

[slurpburp]

Has the acroread bug been fixed, or is that just a Gentoo thing? Anyone know?

Re:acroread bug?

[miknight]

Yeah I use Gentoo with Moz 1.7 and the acroread plugin now works well.

Re:acroread bug?

[Anonymous Coward]

no no no

Re:acroread bug?

[zepmaid]

The pdf plugin for Firefox completely sucks up CPU cycles. Everytime I view a pdf file using Firefox, X slows down to a crawl.
Has anyone else noticed this problem??

Re:acroread bug?

[Mnemia]

That's probably what the parent post was referring to...that bug has been in Mozilla or Acrobat Reader for Linux for a very long time. Many, many people have complained about it, but it seems it was very difficult to track down in the code. I'll be overjoyed if it's finally been fixed.

Re:acroread bug?

[zepmaid]

Funny thing is, I've been using Mozilla all this while and never noticed it. Yesterday I installed Firefox 0.9 and everytime I'd view a pdf file, X would suck up 90% of the CPU.
In mozilla, this may have been a problem but was definitely not as perceptible as it is in Firefox.

Re:acroread bug?

[slurpburp]

I know it's bad form to reply to muy own post, but yes I was refering to the cpu utilization bug. This is a problem when mozilla is compiled with gtk2. If compiled with gtk the bug disapears.

Re:acroread bug?

[Mnemia]

I didn't notice it for a long time, either, but that's because I've been using the 2.6.x kernels for some time and X taking up so much of the CPU produces very little performance hit for other applications on my machine.

When I started having gkrellm2 run on my desktop, it became rather obvious on the CPU usage graph. It's possible that Firefox is affected more than the Mozilla suite, but the bug was definitely present in both of them for quite some time.

Re:acroread bug?

[Anonymous Coward]

Check the einfo in the mozilla ebuild - I remember that there were some instructions there about setting your gtk use flags differently when installing mozilla - I'm sorry but I can't check the einfo myself right now but when I followed the instructions I got a remarkable speed improvement.

Will there be an official build of GTK2+XFT?

[bconway]

I'm currently stuck in that I'm still finding FireFox too buggy for everday use (broken -remote, crashing with some plugins, etc.), however I often find myself using it because GTK2 and XFT in the default Linux build is outweighing the ugliness of GTK1 and the non-XFT fonts in the latest Mozilla build. Will there ever be an official build of Mozilla 1.7+ with GTK2 and XFT? I've searched Google, and there were a few people building it regularly, but they seem to have discontinued doing so.

Re:Will there be an official build of GTK2+XFT?

[Quattro Vezina]

Funny...Mozilla has a GTK1/no-XFT build, and you want a GTK2+XFT one. Firefox has a GTK2+XFT build, and I want a non-XFT one. Funny how our opinions are complete opposites here (well, not entirely opposite--I do like GTK2, but only because it works with the Qt-Engine and GTK1 doesn't).

Anyway, why would you want XFT? It generates nauseating, headache-inducing fonts. Thankfully, the mozilla-firefox-bin in Portage seems to not use XFT, but the ebuild is a tad buggy.

Re:Will there be an official build of GTK2+XFT?

[Anonymous Coward]

if you have got a 1920x1200 resolution on a dell inspiron you will need gtk2+xft. otherwise you cant read the distorted fonts. i really thought of switching to konqueror before i found the gtk2+xft builds. the redering of the fonts is great. i use a 1.7b build with suse 9.1 and kde 3.2.1.

Re:Will there be an official build of GTK2+XFT?

[bconway]

It's definitely a matter of personal preference. To me, the default Linux build of FireFox looks "right," whereas in Mozilla, the default font settings leave too many pages illegible, but increasing the fonts leave others looking like I should be wearing glasses with inch-thick lenses. It may have something to do with my choice of resolution and monitor, too.

Re:Will there be an official build of GTK2+XFT?

[Vireo]

I've searched Google, and there were a few people building it regularly, but they seem to have discontinued doing so.

I use the builds from this page; it has XFT builds for Mozilla 1.4 trough 1.7 RC3, so I guess 1.7 final will be there soon.

Re:Will there be an official build of GTK2+XFT?

[FooBarWidget]

You can disable XFT antialiasing! From GNOME: Applications->Desktop Preferences->Fonts.

Re:Will there be an official build of GTK2+XFT?

[Quattro Vezina]

You can disable XFT antialiasing! From GNOME: Applications->Desktop Preferences->Fonts.

Except that I'm not a Gnome user. I emerged it once, to check it out, but I don't use it regularly, nor would I ever want to.

My preferred method of disabling XFT, and thus antialiasing, in GTK apps is by doing (as root):

cd /etc
grep -r GDK_USE_XFT *

then changing all GDK_USE_XFT=1 values I find to GDK_USE_XFT=0, and finally restarting X.

Thing is, an XFT-enabled Firefox build acts up big time if GDK_USE_XFT is set to 0. Most apps behave normally with this, but for some reason, Firefox distorts the hell out of all my fonts. The only way to get around it is by using a non-XFT-enabled build.

Thankfully, Gentoo has the moznoxft USE flag, but the ebuild for 0.9 has some problems with it. The Mozilla apps also take much longer to compile than most other apps due to their immense size (tarball is roughly 30MB), so I don't like having to compile it.

This is a problem! Hes (or shes) right!

[Canberra Bob]

I run Mozilla 1.4 on Red Hat 9 and yes, the text does leak into the left column.

Whoever modded this troll doesnt know wtf they are on about.

IE is a strong alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

Internet Explorer is a project currently under development by Microsoft. Its features include:

• Cookie Management
• Customizable Layout
• Auto-Image-Resize

I strongly reccomend it to all as an alternative to GNU/Open Source.

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[UncleFluffy]

Internet Explorer is a project currently under development by Microsoft.

Interestingly enough, a quick look at this "Internet Explorer" thing's User-Agent string claims that it is Mozilla-compatible.

Hooray ! Now all we have to do is design+test our sites for compatibility with Mozilla, and IE will render them as intended - Bill guarantees it !

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

IE is one of the biggest pieces of bloatware out there and will always be "under development" if you ask Micro$oft. Too much spyware - too much bloat - too much trying to be everything to everyone...

Firefox by comparison is a breath of fresh air that gives control back to the user and allows him/her to decide what they want to do on the internet, not M$ making that decision for them.

I strongly recommend Firefox to anyone as an alternative to IE.

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

Firefox resizes large images by default. I'm pretty sure it has since Firebird 0.6, actually.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "Customizable Layout"... I would count tabbed browsing, the bookmarks toolbar, various 'skins', toolbar customization, etc... all of which are available on Firefox.

Also, sometimes I wonder about the "currently under development" piece of that, when it comes to IE.

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

Right, and open source "software" is not always under development?

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[Citizen of Earth]

IE hasn't had any significant new work done on it in a couple of years, which officially renders it "dead". If only they had GPLed it, it would be immortal.

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[otisg]

Heh, that's funny. But all joking aside, I think
Mozilla really is starting to get the market share back. Here are some numbers from the site in my signature:

Different browsers listed 9
Unknown 59552 (48.4%)
Explorer 30143 (24.5%)
Mozilla 24622 (20.0%)
Safari 4330 (3.5%)
GoogleBot 2941 (2.4%)
Opera 1351 (1.1%)

The 'Unknown' number corresponds to web crawlers, and especially the crazy MSN bot. Admitedly, the site whose stats these are is for power Internet users, so it doesn't represent an average web site well, but I think that is where trend setting comes from...

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

Similiar stats on the server I use; my open source project and a well-known open source project are on this site. I usually see Mozilla beating IE.

Then again, the people who I email are 100% using IE. Without exception.

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

I hate the way IE decides to crop printed pages so that you only get _most_ of each line of text.

Mozilla's "resize to fit" print feature is absolutely fantastic. It's a killer feature which doesn't get the attention it deserves.

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

It does have Powercons

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

those stats are rubbish. There's no way mozilla has that much share (unfortunately). These seem more realistic: Browser usage stats

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

I for one hope they keep it a secret. Once websites find out about "resize to fit", they'll stop providing the flash ad-free printable versions of news articles. Hopefully IE never fixes this bug.

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[jonadab]

Actually, Internet Explorer is no longer a separate project, but has been
merged with their larger browser-application-suite project, which (just like
the browser we're discussing) seems to change codenames every version.
Right now there are at least two different codenamed-versions of it under
development, Longhorn and Blackcomb. (Weird project codenames? Check. And
you thought that Phoenix -> Firebird and Firebird -> Firefox were gratuitously
odd project codename transitions. At least Longhorn and Blackcomb are
relatively unique, in the sense of not having been used as product names
millions of times already, unlike Phoenix and Firebird. Firefox also seems
okay in that regard, though.)

Of course, Firebird and Longhorn/Blackcomb aren't really aimed at the same
browser market niche. Firebird is aimed at people who think the Mozilla
Seamonkey suite is too bloated with non-browser features like email and
usenet; Longhorn/Blackcomb are aimed at people who think the web browser
should be integrated with the file manager and maybe also integrated with
a word processing suite and include a music player and possibly a Solitaire
game and all sorts of other technically-non-browser features plus convenient
automatic-remote-execution features. It's really the opposite approach from
Firefox and would appeal to completely different market segments.

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not under development!

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[sharkey]

it would be immortal.

Isn't it already immortal? Right up there with any other shoddily-built consumer product that is dangerous to itself, it's owner and all who come into even the most remote contact with it.

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[onewing]

I dont really think a site in a sig on slashdot is the best indication of browser market share, it might be a little biased. ;)

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[andrewbaldwin]

You forgot support for:

* VTP (Virus Transfer Protocol)
* PEE (Popup Execution Enabler)

Re:IE is a strong alternative

[kiwaiti]

As the OP said, "the site whose stats these are is for power Internet users, so it doesn't represent an average web site well", but it does illustrate a gain in installed base (which is what he claimed).

Your link may be a better source to base that claim on, but you should not compare the percentages in the two (unless comparing their changes over time, maybe looking for (possibly dilated) parallels).

Kiwaiti

BitTorrent

[typhoonius]

Fairly neat: it seems that Mozilla has setup an official torrent tracker for this release.

Re:BitTorrent

[NuShrike]

I use burst!. Works fine to 100% for me.

Agreed...

[interactive_civilian]

In fact this bug is happening to me right now with Firefox 0.9. I have often wondered if it is a bug with Slashdot's code or if the bug is in Gecko...

Speaking of Slashdot/gecko bugs, any of you Macintosh users users have to turn off "willing to moderate" because it locks up whenever you have mod-points?

Re:Agreed...

[Tar-Palantir]

I use Camino (also Gecko-based, I don't know if it is exactly the same as Firefox's renderer) on Mac OS X 10.2.8, and moderation works just fine for me.

Re:Agreed...

[Kelerain]

I have had this problem as well. It seems to be a bug in the engine, because increasing and then decreasing the text size fixes the problem. Its a pretty simple work around, but I hope they fix the bug for 1.0

Re:Agreed...

[blobglob]

In my many months of reading Slashdot using Firefox, I had never found that work around. Thanks.

Mods: Informative++.

Re:Agreed...

[zvar]

Actually, I "think" I have it narrowed now to at least why it is happening.

I have Firefox on three computers, two with adblock blocking http://ads.osdn.com/* and it happens all the time on those two. On the one computer I don't block the ads on I have never had the issue.

Just my two cents on a possible cause.

Re:Agreed...

[poptones]

I once thought that might be the problem as well. So I disabled proxomitron when I was on slashdot, and still found it happening. And I don't have ANY of the browser disabling features, uh, enabled (!) because the tooltray proxy does such an aggressive job at filtering.

I also noticed this problem becamse worse with 1.6. I used 1.4 for a very loing time and it happened every now and then, with 1.6 it seems to happen much more frequently (at least once a day).

Re:Agreed...

[mattkinabrewmindspri]

I have mod points right now and I'm posting with Firefox .9 with several extensions in OS X 10.3.4 with all recent updates. Slashdot's layout looks the same to me right now as it has since I've been coming here.

Re:Agreed...

[ComaVN]

I think I read somewhere it has something to do with the speed and manner in which the html loads. So, when only part of a table is loaded, it resizes it to fit the content, and then when the rest of the table is loaded, longer lines will seem to overflow. Or something to that effect.

That would explain the difference in behaviour when you have something that influences the loading of pages.

Re:Agreed...

[dtungsten]

Speaking of Slashdot/gecko bugs, any of you Macintosh users users have to turn off "willing to moderate" because it locks up whenever you have mod-points?

Yes.

Re:Agreed...

[Anonymous Coward]

n fact this bug is happening to me right now with Firefox 0.9. I have often wondered if it is a bug with Slashdot's code or if the bug is in Gecko...

Although Slashdots HTML is terrible, it is not a problem with Slashdot. The column bleeds into another table cell, which should never happen. If there isn't enough space then a table cell should expand, even if it means the table no longer fits in the window.

Re:Agreed...

[goates]

I've found that just hitting reload once or twice fixes it too.

Re:Agreed...

[superflippy]

I'm surprised to hear about so many problems with Slashdot on Mozilla. I've never had one, that I can remember.

However, I wouldn't put the blame totally on Mozilla. Slashdot's front-end is old and meandering and patched-together. Frankly, it's a marvel that it renders on _any_ browser.

Re:Agreed...

[Anonymous Coward]

I had this problem too, after making a tweak suggested on slashdot actually, it was the one about initialpaintdelay=0 or something to that effect.

Putting that back to the default fixed everything, so I'm convinced it has something to do with trying to render the page before there's enough information, but perhaps I'm just guessing.

Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[MagicM]

Can someone please explain to me the direct relationship between Firefox, Thunderbird and Mozilla? Does Mozilla have anything that the stand-alone apps don't have? Vice versa?

(I know I'm losing "Slashdot cool points" by asking this, but damn it all, I want to know.)

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[Pedersen]

• Firefox = Browser
• Thunderbird = E-Mail & News
• Mozilla = Browser, Email, News, Calendar, Composer, Palm Sync, Address Book, and even the kitchen sink

Personally, I go with Mozilla, but then again, I like having all that extra functionality in one place.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[trisweb]

I don't have any Slashdot Cool Points, so I'll take some of yours and try to help you out. ;-)

In a nutshell, Mozilla started off as the open-sourced version of Netscape 6, which turned into the Mozilla suite, and included the browser, and an e-mail client and some other things and even more things. Mozilla was big, slow, and clunky by many people's views, but it had a great rendering engine called "Gecko," and some other cool stuff. So some people decided to take the rendering engine and other cool stuff, and make a browser that was smaller, lighter, faster, and was really good at one task -- web browsing. They called it Pheonix, then Firebird, then Firefox (legal issues...). At the same time (well, a little later, after people saw how cool it was) some people decided to make an e-mail client on the same idea -- they called it Thunderbird (No legal issues).

So, Firefox and Thunderbird are very similar on the inside, but with obvious differences. Mozilla is pretty different, as it's a direct derivative (albeit with a full rewrite) of the Netscape application. The Mozilla suite is also significantly slower (but hopefully better with this release) than Firefox and Thunderbird, and has a bigger memory footprint.

Read this for a more thourough explanation of Firefox's goals, and also check out the Wikipedia article.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[altek]

Also:

I've found that Firefox (at least up to and including the last release, haven't tried the new one yet) has a very stripped-down version of the user preferences. Mozilla has a lot more options, and a few of them are ones I prefer not to be without, including some relating to the handling of browser tabs.

Please guys will you just implement the full set of MOzilla options!

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[Nugget]

It's not as pretty, but it's ten times more functional. Just load up "about:config" from the Location bar in Firefox. This will give you access to every tunable feature that exists in the program, including and far exceeding those which are exposed in Mozilla's preferences.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[Lshmael]

from http://texturizer.net/firefox/faq.html#q1.3:

What's the difference between Firefox and Mozilla?

Mozilla (Application Suite, also known as SeaMonkey) is a complete suite of web related applications, such as a browser, a mail/news client, a chat client and much more. Firefox is just a browser, which makes it a better choice if you already have a mail client for example. Also, since Firefox is smaller than the whole Mozilla suite, it's faster and easier to use. Note, though, that Firefox is not just the standalone Mozilla browser. The user interface in Firefox differs from Mozilla in many ways. For example, Firefox has customizable toolbars.

Similarly, Thunderbird is a standalone mail client. For most people, Firefox and Thunderbird will fit just as well as (if not better than!) Mozilla; if you want a IRC client and a HTML editor, then I would suggest you use Mozilla.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[rendler]

Check this extension for Firefox out. It gives the tabs in Firefox more options and features that you could poke a stick at. And also has just very recently been updated to work with 0.9 properly.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[alphan]

I wasn't planning to post here but I feel like I have to comment on your last sentence.

Personally, I go with Mozilla, but then again, I like having all that extra functionality in one place.

Obviously, this is about choice. So I cannot judge anything or anybody here. Still, I am glad that Mozilla guys decided to go with "Unix Way" instead of "Netscape Way". Afterall, everybody should do what they do best.

I was very unhappy with the fact that I had to install Mozilla suite even though I wasn't planning to use anything but the browser. Fortunately they changed that some time ago.

Then again, I am still looking for compiling firefox and thunderbird togather hoping that they can operate togather flawlessly.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[Anonymous Coward]

Am I missing something here or is the only integration in Mozilla is the inclusion of 4 buttons in the bottom left corner of the window? Other than that I see absolutely no difference in using TB + FFox with the ChatZilla plugin to get the same functionality.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[KarmaMB84]

The current Mozilla suite probably contains little to none of the original Netscape Communicator 5.0 source code which Netscape released. The original Mozilla (Netscape 5.0) was trashbinned and they started over (after wasting quite a bit of time on 5.0).

Netscape 6 (horrible) was based off a *near* 1.0 Mozilla codebase IIRC. Netscape 6+ are derivatives of Mozilla not the other way around.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[Fnyar]

I wonder when we'll have Thunderfox just to make things consistent.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm all for idiot-proofing to an extent, but this is an example of it going too far.

I don't want to have to type anything (or try to tell someone I'm supporting over the phone to type anything) in order to get a reasonable list of preferences. I certainly don't want to wade through every tunable feature in order to find what I'm looking for.

This attitude of cutting configuration dialogs in OSS projects to a ridiculous extent has showed up in GNOME, Gaim and Firefox. It's all done in the name of "usability" of course, but did it ever occur to the devs that the competing closed source software has managed to get by with many more options plainly visible?

The least they could do is give us a command line switch for "advanced mode". Just because people like their configs doesn't mean they want to go digging through registry-like files or screens full of crap like "window X/Y position" in order to change them.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[anethema]

Really? Because it doesnt work with my firefox 0.9

Tons of XML parse errors. Any reason why this would be happening ?

Also, the bottom statusbar becomes huge and displays more error stuff.

I'll post with a screenshot in a sec, just gotta reinstall it.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[ImpTech]

Last I checked, about:config works just fine in the standard Mozilla suite as well. For that matter, it works in Epiphany. I'm pretty sure its just part of Gecko.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[anethema]

http://members.shaw.ca/anethema/images/nojoy.PNG

Dunno why it wont work, it just wont :(. Maybe its something to do with removing the delay/pipelineing options I changed?

Any help appreciated :)

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[Anonymous Coward]

> Netscape 6 (horrible) was based off a *near* 1.0 Mozilla codebase IIRC.

If you count 0.6 as near 1.0, then sure...

The following is based partly on memory, partly on http://www.mozilla.org/releases/cvstags.html and partly on some bonsai/cvsgraph research. it is not meant to be authoritative, although it is considerably more accurate than the post to which I am replying.
Netscape 6.1 was closer to 0.9.2.1
Netscape 6.2 was closer to 0.9.4.1
Netscape 7.0 was about 1.0
Netscape 7.01 was about 1.0.1
Netscape 7.1 was about 1.4.1

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[rendler]

I'd doubt fiddling with those options would have any effect. I really have no idea about this at all, but a search on Google turns up this. It seems to be a direct reference to the bug, but since it's in japanese I have no idea if a fix is also provided. I'd suggest you pop off a message on the project's forum.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[pere]

What Gnome and Firefox is doing, has very little to do with idiot-proofing. The main purpose is not removing features.

The main purpose is giving the power users the one and feature that really matters: "a simple tool that does the job". Real power users want to use a browser for viewing web-pages, and they want it to do it efficiently right out of the box.

They might have special needs (like having a handicap, speaking a strange language), or want to use it for a special purpose (like web-developing). The problem is that if you add all these options, you sooner or later have to trade away the simplicity.

The Gnome solution is OK. If you have to choose between being able finetune the window-behaviour and the power of simplicity... I always go for simplicity. ... but its not an ideal solution.

The Firefox-solution is brilliant!!! Here you really get the best from both worlds. If you want to tune Firefox for web-development, it takes just a couple of clicks to download a web-development extension (with all the web-development-tunable-preferences you can dream of). If you want to fine-tune how your tabs behave - two clicks and you are set. And if you really are one of those wierd types that seems to get you kicks from changing the color of your menues and the dinstance between the menu-items, Im sure you can download an extension for that too..;-)

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[Alexis de Torquemada]

about:config seems to show almost the same set of options, no matter whether I use Firefox 0.8 or Mozilla 1.7rc3.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[POWRSURG]

When I installed Firefox .9, I created a new profile and then copied my old bookmarks into the new profile's bookmark area (just replaced the new bookmarks.html with the old one). I then went to the TBE's Web site where I downloaded the latest release and have not had a problem with it at all.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[GarfBond]

Actually, Netscape 6.0 was based off of M18, which promptly became the 0.6 branch after that. So, no, it wasn't really anywhere near 1.0. It was a marketing-driven release more than anything. Mozilla was clearly not ready at that point.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[adamhauner]

The current Mozilla suite probably contains little to none of the original Netscape Communicator 5.0 source code which Netscape released.

AFAIK JavaScript engine SpiderMonkey was not rewritten, because it has perfect concept already in Netscape days.

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[trisweb]

Late follow-up-- You are indeed correct, sorry about that -- I'm getting about the same memory usage on my system. But I think what really counts is the percieved efficiency, where Firefox/Thunderbird's start-up times and overall speed are percievably better (especially start-up -- Mozilla 1.7 takes approx 12 seconds to load on my comp, which I think is unacceptable for an app that I use so often (and no, I'm not going to preload it); Firefox is about 2s, which is acceptable).

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[altek]

Thanks much for mentioning that. I think I've looked through those options sometime a long time ago, but had long since forgotten about it. Very useful.

Now - do you know of a list which outlines each option? Some aren't very clear...

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[altek]

I remember now what two main things annoy me about firefox vs mozilla. Maybe the extensions can fix it??

1) no "new tab" button on the tab bar - have to right-click or do kbd shortcut

2) search bar is separate from address bar - i like having one address bar and when i want to search instead of browse i hit down arrorw twice and enter (in mozilla)

Re:Firefox + Thunderbird = Mozilla?

[rendler]

1) no "new tab" button on the tab bar - have to right-click or do kbd shortcut

Nope, but the tab extension has an option to open new tabs by double clicking in the tab bar. Personally I have a new tab button in the main nav bar right before the back button.

2) search bar is separate from address bar - i like having one address bar and when i want to search instead of browse i hit down arrorw twice and enter (in mozilla)

There's SmartBrowsing option in firefox, of course you can only use that to search the one engine. The search bar has the option to add and use as many engine as you wish. Which of course I prefer even if I have to constantly have the search bar open.

heh

[Anonymous Coward]

This will sound like trolling, but it's not my intention.

I slipstreamed XP SP2 RC2 last night, installed it, and the improvements to IE were so nice, that I have seriously reconsiddered continuing to use mozilla, as now all of the things i liked about mozilla are in IE.

Well, that and the fact that every other mozilla build seems to forget how to keep a dropdown history in the URL bar. I mean seriously, in this day and age, how is this evern remotely acceptable?

Re:heh

[PeterPumpkin]

You are reconsidering using Mozilla over popup blocking and a download manager, things that you would pick up easily anyway with the [Fav search engine] Bar and [i forgot the name of it, been so long] download manager?

I smell a troll. :D I don't know about the rest of the Moz users, but I don't use Mozilla because of its features. I could care less, I've enjoyed the web just as much using "links -g -driver svgalib -mode 800x600x64k".

Instead, I am "not using IE." I want the web to stay open for everyone. Keeping a split market share will ensure that. Trust me, its getting harder for open web advocates by the day to justify to the big wigs why not to only cater to the IE fat cat.

I use Mozilla for the same reason I don't vote for 3rd parties in elections. Go with getting the percentages up for the best guy running with what you have in mind. A bunch of "other" category browsers won't cut it. Big numbers count.

I'm sure you've all read it before here on Slashdot, about how the web is gonna be the Microsoft Web one of these days, but I'm tellin ya, it really hits home the first time a client says, and I quote, "Just get it working in Internet Explorer, and fuck the rest."

Re:heh

[Anonymous Coward]

I have to agree. I find no compelling reason, even now with plain ol' IE 6.0 to switch to Mozilla/Firebird/etc. I don't want a download manager, I have a google bar for popups, and a taskbar for switching windows. What other features are there to tout? Mozilla is nice, and I'm very glad to find it on university unix machines as a browser, but on Windows, it has no use for me.

Mozilla loads up faster: big deal, IE loads up extremely fast on my machine, faster than Mozilla. I don't care if it is because it is integrated into the OS, that's beyond the scope of my concern. I guess security is the only issue here. Even then, it doesn't press on my mind, and the exploits are very few and far between.

The browser wars are over: IE won and will never be dethroned. Why? IE has an established base and browsers, in general, don't have new features that compell anyone to switch between them. I expect many non-technical people like using Mozilla, not so much because of preference, but because their techie friend/coworker/son/etc. set it up as their default browser, "when you want to go on the internet, double-click this Mozilla icon." I did the same for my sister. But given a choice, most users don't care which browser they use so long as it works. Now, with the new enhancements that Microsoft will be adding to IE, there is even less reason to switch to Mozilla.

Again, I think Mozilla/Firebird/etc. is nice, but I have no hope it will ever become dominant.

Re:heh

[rsax]

I slipstreamed XP SP2 RC2 last night, installed it, and the improvements to IE were so nice, that I have seriously reconsiddered continuing to use mozilla, as now all of the things i liked about mozilla are in IE.

Well except for the fact that IE still has that "feature" where it is completely integerated into the underlying operating system. So any serious IE vulnerability will offer the attacker more control over the OS than a Mozilla issue would. Pop-up blocking and other features on top of IE still doesn't change the fact that underneath it all, it's still IE. I use Mozilla, in perhaps a vain attempt, to do my part in keeping the web open; I don't want to be another, IE using, statistic. By the way, does it have mouse gestures now? What about banner ad blocking extensions?

Well, that and the fact that every other mozilla build seems to forget how to keep a dropdown history in the URL bar. I mean seriously, in this day and age, how is this evern remotely acceptable?

No clue what you're talking about here. I've been using Mozilla for ages now and each time I upgrade it still maintains the list of previously visited sites in the dropdown URL list. In fact when I installed Firefox it picked up the list that Mozilla was using.

How about 'alt-A' in the email client?

[Canberra Bob]

Why in the email client is select all 'Alt-A'? In most other apps select all is 'Ctrl-A' yet for some strange reason it is 'Alt-A' in Mozilla.

Is there any reason for this that I am not aware of? Or is it just some strange way of doing things?

I am referring to Mozilla 1.4 under Linux, so for all I know it is different now and Im rambling on about nothing. But if not, is there a logical reason for this?

Re:How about 'alt-A' in the email client?

[Trepalium]

To make matters worse, on Thunderbird, it says "Select All Ctrl+A", but all ctrl-a does is bring you back to the start of the line. Alt-A is the select all command.

Re:How about 'alt-A' in the email client?

[braindead]

• Why in the email client is select all 'Alt-A'? In most other apps select all is 'Ctrl-A' yet for some strange reason it is 'Alt-A' in Mozilla.

That's because the Linux convention is that Ctrl-A means "beginning of line". That was before some people decided they wanted their Linux app to behave like windows apps and started making Ctrl-A "select all". And since, for better of for worse, there is no single person in charge to enforce a standard of which keyboard shortcut should do what, we're stuck with three different groups:

1. The emacs camp (Ctrl-A: beginning of line)
2. The vi camp (esc-0: beginning of line)
3. The windows camp (home: beginning of line)

So now you know why. Is it a good or a bad thing? You decide. Maybe the existence of these many groups is why most Linux apps are so customizable, so emacs-people can use apps written by vi-people and vice versa.

Mozilla 1.7 RC-3

[miknight]

Does anyone know if there was any change from RC-3 to the final version?

Re:Mozilla 1.7 RC-3

[Anonymous Coward]

It's the same man, dont bother updating.

Re:Mozilla 1.7 RC-3

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, there were lots of little changes.

Re:Mozilla 1.7 RC-3

[rsax]

I was using 1.7 RC3 and I just upgraded to the final release an hour ago. I can tell you that the first thing I noticed was an unbelievable speed increase. From initially double clicking the Mozilla icon it takes literally less than 2 or 3 seconds to start up. I'm guessing this is because all the debug options were removed for the final release.

NOT A TROLL!!!

[vwjeff]

I have had similar problems. Most web designers design their web pages with IE in mind. My online banking doesn't render correctly in Mozilla 1.6 or Firefox. It is a shame. I have contacted this bank, which will remain unnamed, and they said, "Our online banking system is best supported by Internet Explorer."

As far as Slashdot goes, I do sometimes have problems rendering the page, especially the user login.

These small problems mean nothing in the big picture. I love Mozilla.

The parent is not a troll.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[waynelorentz]

I have contacted this bank, which will remain unnamed

Why leave the bank unnamed? Go ahead and name it. Maybe it will shame them into supporting standard browsers.

At the time my bank got eaten by Washington Mutual, their web site didn't support anything but IE. I complained. I don't know if anyone else did. But I do know that six months later, I can use Mozilla or Safari, or virtually any other browser I want at wamu.com.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

I love Mozilla.

DUH!

why?

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[FuzzyBad-Mofo]

Most web designers design their web pages with IE in mind.

Most web designers couldn't write standards-compliant HTML if their life depended on it, and rely on WYSIWYG editors like Dreamweaver & Frontpage. That's why web designers should stick to design, and leave implementation up to web developers.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[afidel]

I'll chime in and say that National City and Fleet Boston both work fine with Mozilla.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[ewieling]

BankOne's online banking works fine with Mozilla.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[KiwiSurfer]

The suitation in New Zealand is much better. I know of three banks whose website works reasonably well under Mozilla -- ANZ Bank (2nd largest bank), National Bank (4th largest bank) and the ASB Bank (5th largest bank). I also know a close friend is a customer of the BNZ (2nd largest bank) and she uses Firefox so I suppose she has no problem with the BZN either. I guess Westpac, the largest bank in terms of customer numbers, will also work fine under Mozilla since the rest of their website rendered perfectly under Mozilla last time I checked.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Same with Bank of America. Works fine now, after quite a bit of wining.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[W2k]

Working with web "designers" who have no concept of what is actually possible to realize in standard (X)HTML and CSS is a pain in the ass, though. Especially if one doesn't want to use Javascript.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[pwagland]

For the Dutchies out there...

ABN Amro has an excellent wesite, and it works perfectly in mozilla and safari.

I actually left the Postbank because (at the time, don't know about now) there website did not work with mozilla, and being able to pay bills online is important to me. And yes, I told them this as well.

The other bank that I use, Rabobank has a website that works, but only when you allow popup windows. Very, very annoying.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[stm2]

I have contacted this bank, which will remain unnamed

Why don't you name the bank? It would be useful for ./rs to know where to take their business out.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[ComaVN]

The main thing that caused me to leave the Postbank was the fact that they had *visiting hours* for their internet banking site. No banking allowed between 23:00 and 6:00 CET

Haven't looked back once.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[swv3752]

MBNA works fine in Mozilla. For a couple of months, they redid thier online bill pay and it would reject Moz but Netscape 6/7 would work fine. This is actually kinda ironic as I have The Linux Fund bank card. This past month Mozilla started working again.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[sharkey]

National City's site works fine in Opera 7+ as well.

Re:NOT A TROLL!!!

[sharkdba]

As does Citibank, although I use Mozilla 1.5. I have not tried 1.6 nor the new 1.7 yet.

The only site I use that won't work with Mozilla is one of the online virus checkers which I use occasionally.

WOW

[shao]

7% faster at startup, is 8% faster to open a window, has 9% faster page loading, and is 5% smaller

Re:WOW

[ThisNukes4u]

Thats a pretty big improvement for a mature piece of software such as mozilla.

Re:WOW

[Anonymous Coward]

8.5 ppl are 97.3% certain that your numbers are pulled from your ass

Re:WOW

[Billly Gates]

How does this compare to Firefox?

I just mailed my gf a cd with Firefox and thunderbird because she uses an old pentiumIII 700 mhz and I wanted something zippy on such a system.

She is interested in webdesign and does IRC so Mozilla is tempting.

Re:WOW

[MikeCapone]

8.5 ppl are 97.3% certain that your numbers are pulled from your ass

Yeah, either that or the release notes. RTFA.

Re:Wow

[dave420]

IE loads slashdot almost instantly too, and doesn't mess up the rendering. It's done that for years. I don't mind people taking the mick out of IE (heck, I expect it!), but credit where credit's due. IE has consitently been a very fast browser, and extremely forgiving when it comes to large or strangely-coded HTML documents. Obviously, its security features are poop, but that's another story.

Only 1.7?

[Reorax]

Why should I use this? Internet Explorer is already at version 6. I've used both, but I must say that IE is really 4.3 better.

Re:Only 1.7?

[daeley]

A common mistake. Mozilla is actually using metric version numbers, while IE is still using (appropriately enough) Imperial units. So while it may seem that IE is 4.3 better, it is in fact much, much worse. Like, a bunch worse.

Re:Only 1.7?

[0zymandias]

>>Like, a bunch worse.

That would be a buschel.

Re:Only 1.7?

[Anonymous Coward]

Or about 1/16th of a Hogshead.

Re:Only 1.7?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why should I use this? Internet Explorer is already at version 6. I've used both, but I must say that IE is really 4.3 better.

Thats why I use Netscape 7.1 - it beats them all!!

Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[EvilStein]

"Sunbird" just doesn't cut it.

See my other comments expressing my frustration at the lack of a decent calendar solution from the Mozilla group.

People don't understand how seriously upper management types take their calendar apps and how much the Outlook calendar holds them to Outlook, even without Exchange!

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[generic-man]

Evolution is the only open-source e-mail client I've seen that can open and respond to Outlook invitations perfectly. It's been like that since version 1.0, which was bundled with Red Hat 7.3.

Mozilla plans to add Outlook invitation support as part of the integration step. I don't know if any of the Evolution invitation-accepting code can be converted over, or whether that constitutes a violation of all 48 licenses that Open Source considers valid, but it is possible to accept Outlook invites using open-source software.

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[Trejkaz]

Evolution and Korganizer both handle calendars fine anyway. Although in either case, you might as well use the associated mail client rather than Thunderbloat.

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[gamgee5273]

Sunbird has gotten much better recently. The university I am working for is beginning to discuss movements towards Mozilla because Sunbird has gotten so much better in recent months. I suggest you check out a recent build.

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[jrumney]

Does it interpret the time wrong in the same way as Outlook? I'm forever getting meeting invitations from Outlook users for "Friday 18 June 2004 10:30:00 AM Greenwich Meridian Time (Dublin, Edinburgh, Lisbon, London). When I come in to work early so I can turn up at 9:30 BST, they're nowhere to be seen, because their Outlook ignored the daylight savings time flag.

I've tried pointing out to people that their calendar software is really a piece of crap, but most of them don't understand timezones any better than Microsoft. The ones that do just claim I'm being pedantic. Sorry, but who is it that insists on spelling out the timezone in full so it makes up 80% of the meeting request? Getting time and timezones right seems to me like a fundamental feature for calendaring and scheduling software.

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[EvilStein]

Yes, but look at how much work has been done.

The last 3 entries are about the friggin *icon* for Thunderbird.
And it was from Feb 2004.

It sure doesn't look like a lot of effort is being put into the Mozilla Calendar. =/

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[Anonymous Coward]

we'd probably be lucky to get the time wrong the same way outlook does.

if you can provide enough details and make sure you aren't reporting a bug about a time zone/operating system pairing that we don't have reported, and are willing to answer questions, then you should consider filing a bug in bugzilla(.mozilla.org).

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[jrumney]

I was talking about the way Outlook handles timezones. I don't think reporting it in bugzilla.mozilla.org will help. Even sending mail to Microsoft about bugs in Microsoft products does not help in my experience.

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[unoengborg]

Evolution and Korganizer are nice calendar apps, but to my knowledge they are not available on windows.

A cross platform calendar app is very much needed or it will slow down the adaptaion of free desktop alternatives such as Linux.

Why is that? Managers need to do the switch to gradually, and as more and more applications becomes available for the free platform switch the entire organization. Calendaring is often a mission critical application and if managers have to support two different system while they are migrating, the Linux migration will be more costly.

So, the mozilla calendar is extremely important. It's so important that I would even advice the Gnome people to either port Evolution to windows or drop it in favor of a Mozilla solution.

Even though Evolution is very good, I guess that dropping it from Gnome would be the best thing to do, as if they do port it to windows it will have to support every feature of MS-Outlook that it tries to clone anayway, or users will be disappointed. It will not matter if it have other additional advantages over MS-Outlook, windows users will just compare what MS-Outlook can do to what a windows based Evolution can do. We have already seen this phenomena when trade magazines compare OpenOffice to MS-Office.

So going with Mozilla for Calendering would probably be a tactical thing to do. However to do so it will need a lot of development as it is rather weak as it is.

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[Anonymous Coward]

Try, you know, setting the daylight savings on the desktop PC's.

Amazingly enough this kind of stuff does work in Outlook/Exchange.....

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[Anonymous Coward]

"Sunbird" just doesn't cut it.

Hell no, the folks at Sun would be flabbergasted! Remember they have this user interface project codenamed Looking Glass which allows users to flip windows? (heh heh, another pun there...)

User asks: What do I do with this Sunbird thing? Answer: "Flip the bird!"

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[jrumney]

You either don't get what I am saying, or you are a Microsoft shill. I just went to a PC with Outlook installed and checked its timezone settings were correct and with automatic daylight savings checked. I created an appointment request in Outlook and sent it to myself. This is what I get back:

When: 18 June 2004 15:30-16:00 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time : Dublin, Edinburgh, Lisbon, London.

The calendar in Outlook shows that meeting as being scheduled at 15:30 in the current timezone, which is actually BST (+0100) due to daylight savings. So any mail client that wants to parse Outlook's appointment messages must interpret the above When: line in the same incorrect way.

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[nine-times]

Well, Evolution (including the Exchange Connector) are GPL'd. As far as I understand, Mozilla is GPL also, and should be able to use portions of the Evolution code if they choose. I'm hoping the the Exchange connector being open-sourced will encourage other products (including Thunderbird) to integrate Exchange connectivity.

Anyone know of any projects (besides Evolution) that are working on this? I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Mozilla, since it's cross-platform, and it'd be great to be able to use the same software on Windows, Linux, and Mac to access Exchange servers.

Re:Obviously they don't need a CALENDAR

[mahbidness]

I'll have to agree with you on that. I had been using the existing mozilla calendar, and when I just installed the moz 1.7 upgrade, the installer completely removed the calendaring app from my system, including all dates and entries I had put in. The warning that I got was about removal of third party software, which apparently is a category the calendar belongs to. Lost a lot of important information.

IE is a strong alternative-Wack a feature.

[Anonymous Coward]

Also comes with a built in game called wack-a-window, and a neat "private information at a distance" capability.

Netscape IS mozilla

[AnEmbodiedMind]

As far as I know, they don't add that much more to it to make it crash more or be a hell of a lot slower. Mainly just some advertising and branding.

Re:Netscape IS mozilla

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually AFAIK the Gecko rendering engin engine is about the only thing they have in common.

Re:Netscape IS mozilla

[AnEmbodiedMind]

No way... Netscape 7.1 is Mozilla seamonkey.

Can I VIEW SOURCE without a page reload?

[mgkimsal2]

I seem to remember this *might* have been fixed, but I could swear it was causing me problems the other day. That's just an insane bug which even after all these years I can't understand any rationalization for. If I want to VIEW SOURCE, I want to view the source of what's being rendered, NOT the source of another POST action.

"on the verge of"?

[amake]

Come on, people, let's get our vocabulary straight. "On the verge of x" would be before x. A more accurate phrase would be "on the heels of."

Firefox please, hold the XFT

[Straker Skunk]

Have to agree with you on XFT's bad karma. I use Mozilla and (once upon a time) Firefox 0.8 with the font.FreeType2.enable option, which yields muchmuchmuch nicer-looking fonts. As of Firefox 0.9, however, the direct-FreeType support seems to have been dropped in favor of XFT alone :-(

I've been trying to compile Firefox from source with --enable-freetype and --disable-xft, but ye gods is it a pain to sort through the build problems that come up....

Re:Firefox please, hold the XFT

[Anonymous Coward]

(re: blurry fonts w/XFT)
There isn't something weird going on, like the fonts being anti-aliased twice by both XFT and FreeType? I don't even know if this is possible, so it could be a stupid suggestion...

popup blocking problem

[shao]

I have the last two more problems with mozilla/firefox before I can call it a perfect browser.

1. when click a link that opens a new window on a slow site that takes forever to load, mozilla thinks it is a popup becoz it is still loading, and it blocks the new window!!!

2. when I enter a banking SSL site that pops up a window for login, the security icon overwrites the popup blocking icon, there is no way for me to unblock the site unless I do it manually.

Any known solutions to fix these?

Re:popup blocking problem

[wwahammy]

Usually if you click on the link a second time, you can get the window to pop up. If it still doesn't work, just exempt that url or site from the pop-up blocker.

Re:popup blocking problem

[shao]

umm... but I do want to block popups from that site!!! Just not when I click the links....

Re:popup blocking problem

[jnicholson]

Holding down CTRL when clicking the link generally allows it to open in a new window. I think. It's been a while. I know there's a key; I just don't know for sure that it's CTRl.

99% Issue

[bstadil]

Why the )*&^((** does Torrent files always stop at 99%? I can restart until the cows comes home and it's still 99%.

Re:99% Issue

[Nasarius]

Very strange. Try a different BT client. There are tons available. BitTornado is a nice one that's cross-platform.

Re:99% Issue

[ticktockticktock]

Here is what the developer of a bittorrent client named BitTornado says about this:

"Try disconnecting your router and connecting your computer straight to your uplink." on his forum.

If that works, here is the explanation as to why: "Some routers have been implicated in consistently corrupting data inside TCP packets, either when running in game mode or simply due to lousy firmware coding. They'll replace any instance of the external IP to the internal one for incoming data, and vice-versa for outgoing."

Awesome, indispensible, stable

[Ars-Fartsica]

To hell with the "bloat" arguments - Mozilla is the single most important project for the open source invasion of the desktop. Want a "slim" browser?? Run lynx...have fun! Meanwhile I am loading up Moz with a dozen or so web development extensions that have become indispensible (fave: livehttpheaders).

Mozilla Mail - I haven't forgotten you. An excellent client that integrates nicely with the browser.

Kudos to the Mozilla team. Don't worry, marketshare will follow.

Re:Awesome, indispensible, stable

[emorphien]

I love mozilla mail. I've been using it (and before it Netscape) for as long as I've been doing email. Great stable program, secure, and simple interface.

Palm sync support

[aussie_a]

Does anyone know if it has e-mail palm sync support or just address book palm sync support?

Re:Palm sync support

[Anonymous Coward]

Mozilla 1.7 is only supposed to have address sync with PalmOS devices. As of RC3, no E-mail sync was available. A fix has been checked in to the trunk, so Mozilla 1.8 is supposed to have E-mail sync. Thunderbird 0.7 does have E-mail sync, as it was cut from the trunk after the fix was applied. It works, with a couple of reservations.

Re:Palm sync support

[aussie_a]

Thankyou. I have asked here before and on the Mozilla forums and googled and I couldn't find an answer :)

Fonts

[Stevyn]

I just downloaded the binary linux installer and the fonts were all messed up. I was using 1.6. What I mean by messed up is the font in the menus is very small and the fonts available to specify for web pages are named oddly and come up garbled. I'll compile it from scratch tomorrow and see if that makes a difference.

Is anyone else experiencing this?

a simpler method:

[Ars-Fartsica]

NETWORKING_IPV6=no

add this line to /etc/sysconfig/network

why this is enabled by default in FC2 is beyond me.

MODERATOR ABUSE: parent is not "off topic"

[ky11x]

Good lord. Mods, have you missed his joke or forgotten history?

The parent post is making a reference to the history of Mozilla and Netscape. Netscape got bought by AOL, who fired a bunch of Netscape developers, and then the Moz got an injection of development effort as former Netscape developers helped out on Moz.

It's not such a bad joke. I think it's funny and insightful -- he's pointing out the irony of what AOL did and is doing (now that AOL is using Moz code to help with Netscape).

If you don't know the history and thus didn't get the joke, please don't assume that someone is "off topic" or "inflammatory." He may just be too subtle for you and you could learn something from him.

Re:MODERATOR ABUSE: parent is not "off topic"

[Anonymous Coward]

If you don't know the history and thus didn't get the joke, please don't assume that someone is "off topic" or "inflammatory."
Speaking of assuming, how do you know the OP is a "he"?
Pot, meet kettle...

Re:MODERATOR ABUSE: parent is not "off topic"

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe he is psychic, but he was right

Re:MODERATOR ABUSE: parent is not "off topic"

[Anonymous Coward]

Speaking of assuming, how do you know the OP is a "he"?

Would you prefer "it"?

Stop PCing the language!

Re:MODERATOR ABUSE: parent is not "off topic"

[Anonymous Coward]

Mods, have you missed his joke or forgotten history?

Are you new here?

Slashdot mods have no sense of humour. They never studied history - most of them never went to school. They're the cyber equivalent of Hitler's brown shirts - or Dobermans: they're supposed to react in a basic way to everything and police these threads mercilessly.

It works the same way as 'freedom of speech': if someone has a divergent opinion, put it on the back page or mod it down as low as you can get it. Communicate with your fellow mods so they do the same. If it supports the at times idiotic opinions of the thread creator, boost it.

On the Apple side it gets even worse. Anyone even suggesting Steve Jobs is not the all-time selfless cult leader is punished. Anyone complaining about some lapse in Apple customer care is modded down into oblivion. Anyone singing the praises of Cupertino is Funny or Insightful or Informative.

It doesn't matter much what qualifier they put on it, and they evidently choose these at random. The end result is a carefully controlled discussion topic where only the opinions of the mods have a chance to be seen.

And moderator points are today given only to a select few: the more democratic system once used has been abandoned - it permits too much 'free speech'.

It was a great idea in its inception, but it doesn't work in practice.

He may just be too subtle for you and you could learn something from him.

You're assuming they're intelligent and have wit - both of which are essential in a functional democracy and also sorely conspicuous in their absence amongst the Slashdot brown shirts. They say politics debilitates IQ: the Slashdot mods are unequivocal proof of this.

But more than worrying about the supposed tragedy of the depletion of severely limited cerebral resources, we should be worried about the degeneration of democracy at this once brilliant site.

Re:MODERATOR ABUSE: parent is not "off topic"

[Anonymous Coward]

Slashdot mods have no sense of humour. They never studied history - most of them never went to school. They're the cyber equivalent of Hitler's brown shirts - or Dobermans: they're supposed to react in a basic way to everything and police these threads mercilessly

the above quoat is far to close to the truth how slashdot has gone. its mostly a microsucks windows based forum now!
jmho

They cheated

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't get the numbers.
0.9 + 0.7 = 1.6 in my book

Reverted back to 1.6

[vk2]

I am not so happy with this new release - moz 1.7 always crashes when logging on to BOA CC site. The RC 3 release did the same to ING direct site.

Took all the precautions like removing profile, uninstall moz 1.6 etc - but couldn't stop 1.7 crashing.

So I am back to 1.6 - though I don't find any features in 1.7 that warrant it to be "must have" - I am quiet happy with 1.6.

Re:Reverted back to 1.6

[Nasarius]

File a bug report! The Mozilla devs will probably be happy to fix a bug that's easily reproducible.

Re:Awesome! - Slashdot's bad HTML

[Synistar]

This is the combination of a bug in Gecko and Slashdot's horrible, invalid HTML output.

To quote a previous post of mine:

Fixing Slashcode's HTML has been discussed to death before but the Slashcode devels have not put any effort into fixing it yet.

Take a look at these articles for more info on how this can be fixed.

Note: That last link is about a Slashcode user who has already tackled some of the major issues with fixing Slash to output valid XHTML and CSS

Editing at its finest

[Jon Abbott]

Article subtitle: from the bigger-badder-lizards dept.

Article text: Updates include smaller size...

OK. Is it bigger or smaller? Inquiring minds need to know! :^)

Re:Editing at its finest

[Anonymous Coward]

It is smaller than the last bigger-badder-lizard, but much bigger than the lizard that drank a potion of continuous polymorph.

Firefox 0.9 is failing badly for me

[billstewart]

I'm going to try Mozilla 1.7 and hope it works well, but otherwise I'm going to back the Firefox 0.9 sucker out and upgrade to 0.8 again, unless _it_ annoys me enough to upgrade to 0.7. Some things that are annoyingly broken:

• Javascript-driven navigation buttons don't work. I installed 0.9 last night, and found that I can't get into a number of critical sites, mostly at work. Sure, Javascript navigation is a total loser approach to things, but I'm not in charge of the web site with internal documentation on the products I support, and our IT droids increasingly write things for IE only.
  
• Autoproxy doesn't appear to work; I've had to resort to manual proxies, with the "Don't use proxy for my-domain.com" option (which means I can't see my company's public websites, just internals.)
  
• Usual nitpick - some of my bookmarks, cookies, passwords, etc. seem to have been imported successfully, some haven't.
  
• Minor nitpick - some of the themes and extensions I like haven't been ported to 0.9 yet, such as the ones that take less screen space for toobars. The problem isn't the proxy server - works fine with 0.8.
  

Re:Firefox 0.9 is failing badly for me

[esukafurone]

For pre-.9 extensions try this one

MozMail and spool files?

[achurch]

Mozilla Mail - I haven't forgotten you. An excellent client that integrates nicely with the browser.

Dumb question: can Mozilla Mail handle getting mail directly from spool files? I'm considering looking into it for CJK mail (handling all three languages on an xterm looks to be a pain), but I don't want to install a POP server just for Mozilla.

Re:MozMail and spool files?

[Derek Pomery]

Yes. The reason this works is Mozilla Mail's native format, for better or worse, is a spool (+ a file to keep track of it, but that gets regenerated if deleted).
So, at home, I use fetchyahoo (emerge fetchyahoo) to collect mail from certain Yahoo! directories and write them to spools. The spools specified in the crons, in this case, being Mozilla Mail's own.
~/.mozilla/default/random.slt/Mail/Yahoo/Fol dernam e

Amusingly, I'm *more* secure using the screen scraper than others are using Yahoo!'s POP services, since they still won't run secure POP, while they *do* offer secure HTTP.

Re:MozMail and spool files?

[shaka]

I thought it was dumb first too - like, duh, it better handle that - but after looking into it it seems that it will only deal with POP and IMAP for incoming, and SMTP for outgoing.

I suggest you look into using Evolution instead, which can work with POP, IMAP, Novell GroupWise, Local delivery, MH-format maildirs, maildir-format maildirs and the standard UNIX mbox spool for incoming mail and SMTP, Sendmail or GroupWise for outgoing mail.

It really is a very very nice email client, I can assure you that.

Re:Firefox + Tab Options

[haijak]

For tab Options you should look into "Tabbrowser Extensions". You will have more tab options than you will know what to do with. It will work with Firefox or Mozilla suite.

Why did this guy get marked Troll?

[nlinecomputers]

It is a legit question. One the Mozilla Foundation has waffled on. Mozilla has stated more then once that firefox would replace Mozilla as the browser or be integrated back into it by version 2 and they have also stated that they plan on parallel development of both. No one seems to know.

I personally like Mozilla over Firefox and hope they keep both but the Mozilla team at times lacks direction. Which is one of the reasons the Firefox browser has changed names 3 times and Mozilla doesn't seem to have a firm logo use and other issues requarding marketing and image.

Re:Why did this guy get marked Troll?

[Space_Soldier]

Than you for supporting me.

Re:Why did this guy get marked Troll?

[Space_Soldier]

Correction: Thank you for supporting me.

Re:Mozilla == DEAD

[confusedneutrino]

It's not dead, it's still on my hard dri...

Oh crap...

Bloody Windows...

NetSky Q Mozilla virus hole fixed in 1.7

[Anonymous Coward]

You probably thought that it was impossible for a virus to infect Mozilla as I did. That's why I was suprised when NetSky Q infected my computer via Mozilla. It has supposedly been fixed: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191460
I'm surprised it was not included in the release notes.

Chrome Issues

[red floyd]

I had chrome issues (may have been theme related)

Had to wipe out my settings directory and reinstall.

My favourite new feature:

[Trejkaz]

"A new option to prevent sites from using JavaScript to block the browser's context menu."

Hallelujah! Maybe eventually idiots will stop using this trick once they realise it isn't stopping anything. It would make my life so much easier.

The new Mozilla is released at a fortuitous moment

[slashdot_commentator]

Perhaps it'll distract enough people so I can finish rsyncing to the slackware server...

(So far, no such luck... *sigh*)

What is it with Slashdot? They can' stop dupe stories, they can't spell in the age of spell checkers, why did they suddenly decide to start reporting software releases in a (way too) timely manner?

Simple fix:

[King_of_Prussia]

put the following code in a bookmarklet on your bookmarks toolbar, when it messes up just click and it'll fix it right up. It also works on other sites where tables/columns don't render properly.

"javascript:document.getElementsByTagName(%22body% 22)[0].style.display='none';document.getElementsBy TagName(%22body%22)[0].style.display='block';void( 0);"

You'll also have to remove the spaces slashcode puts in there.

Wow

[coyote4til7]

A lot of people on bit torrent. It took maybe 8 seconds to download.

Under 1.7, for the first time ever slashdot.org _just appeared_. No waiting for everything to decide how big it is and where it wants to be. Nothing. Site just appeared. I tried a batch of them and almost everything rendered instantly with a second or two from return to in my face. Very cool. Since this is the OS X build, I'm dieing to see how fast the linux build is.

Muhahaha! Take that creaky IE!

Re:Already using 1.8

[bass2496]

You make a good point. I'd been using 1.8a since its release without problems (the most stable alpha software I've ever used.)

I just changed to 1.7, but I don't really know why. I guess I just like installing software.

Fedora Core?

[erroneus]

Where are my Fedora Core RPMs?

1.8a is also out

[thrash242]

I guess it hasn't been officially released, but 1.8a1 is out as well. I'm using it right now. I have had no problems with it and it adds a very handy confirmation dialog to the "close all other tabs" option. I've accidentally closed about ten tabs I wanted to keep open and kept the one I wanted to close several times, so I'm glad for this feature. Anyway, it may be alpha, but seems stable to me.

Re:1.8a is also out

[eddy]

Maybe they should nick the "Closed Windows" history from Opera.

Re:1.8a is also out

[ChristTrekker]

So there's a confirmation box to the confirmation box?

Stupid question- How to upgrade???

[coliva]

I've looked at Mozilla's FAQs and they are full of all kinds of helpful information like a warning not to install over the old version and how to import settings from Eudora, etc. However, I have Mozilla and I want to upgrade!

Transferring bookmarks is easy, but I had a nightmare transferring my e-mail last time. How do you transfer e-mail, address book and misc settings cleanly from an older Mozilla to the latest?

Thanks in advance.

Re:Stupid question- How to upgrade???

[Anonymous Coward]

mozilla will just use your old profile.

you could back it up (and if you use firefox you probably should, since on occasion it has been known to wipe out profiles while upgrading).

if you're moving from mozilla to firefox0.9 (or newer, i suppose), it can (and may default to...) import your mozilla profile.

there are sites that describe how to backup mozilla profiles, http://gemal.dk/mozilla probably has an explanation somewhere.

Re:Stupid question- How to upgrade???

[__aatgod8309]

If you're willing to wait until it's caught up to the new Mozilla version (and new Firefox/Thunderbird if needed), you could always try MozBackup...

Like Mozilla/Netscape html editor? Get Nvu

[CritterNYC]

I occasionally startup the suite for page editing (usually I just use vim), and I always use Thunderbird for mail.

If you like the old Mozilla page editor, head over to Nvu for its successor: nvu.com.

Noticible speed increase

[invisik]

Hey all,

Been using 1.6 for a long time on Windows and I must say 1.7 is quite a bit faster in rendering pages. Have dual booted into SUSE 9.1 and installed 1.7 yet, but I'm hoping for the best. Kudos to the Mozilla team, and kudos again!

-m

Just Installed It And ....

[Snoopy77]

it does feel a lot faster than 1.5. The /. bug still exists though. Installation was rather painless, totally painless actually.

And remember kiddies, always set:

network.http.pipelining = true;
network.http.pipelining.firstrequest = true;
network.http.proxy.pipelining = true;

Re:Just Installed It And ....

[Billly Gates]

Where do you enter the settings for that?

Re:Just Installed It And ....

[Snoopy77]

Type in about:config and scroll down to the settings, double click and type in true. The difference is quite noticable.

Re:Just Installed It And ....

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't use proxies, so I don't set the last one.

And the second one is discouraged by the Mozilla team themselves, since it spits out multiple requests before determining whether a connection can handle more than one at a time. (or something like that, this sure as hell isn't my field of expertise)

But in Mozilla, Firefox, and K-Meleon, I always only set the first one. It's the safest compromise, considering that Mozilla even has a GUI pref setting for it.

Fix the website, please!

[swordgeek]

I wanted an answer to a simple question, that I figured should be a FAQ. However, the FAQ link from the main page goes to the FAQs for...Mozilla 1.5!

Does anyone EVER update this documentation? It's been Mozilla's biggest (and aside from the naming problems, only) problem.

I am Questioning

[Milo of Kroton]

Why does you need Firefox and Mozilla? Will one not replace the other?

Re:The new Mozilla is released at a fortuitous mom

[ThousandStars]

They can' stop dupe stories, they can't spell in the age of spell checkers...

What is it with Slashdot users? They can't spell in the age of spell checkers.

Pot, kettle...

BAHAHA!

[sp0rk173]

I was so going to go there, and you beat me to it. Why, oh why, did you post as an AC?

Thanks

[bstadil]

I will try that. BitTornado is a nice client, just downloaded and tried it. I now got stuck with one more decimal 99.8% ;-)

FireFox

[qualico]

Can they please make the icon of the fox look towards the user? I thought it was a fire blob engulfing the world.
[rant off]

MFirefox under Windows 98 is far faster than Mozilla.
Tested with 64Mb ram.

Does anyone know how many Windows 95/98/Me installs are connected to the net?
FireFox is a good marriage for those lazy asses.

Now if they can do the same to the email client then drop Mozilla.

Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass...

[sp0rk173]

Besides Freeciv and the multitudes of shitty MUD's and text-rpgs, can you point me in the direction of some OSS windows games? I really really REALLY would love to find some. Thanks.

Re:Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass...

[(C)0N0(R)]

Sorry, I haven't a clue. Not even sure what a MUD is; I'm not much of a gamer (I like pool, pinball and poker- the analog versions only- and occasionally old-school video games). I am currently using a fedora core1 box, basic workstation, and it has over 30 games, not sure what many actually are. I have not used windows in several months, and I seriously am considering moving my father (an incredibly technophobic writer,editor,publisher -writes several thousand words daily) to Linux. I have gotten him to use Firefox, OpenOffice, ABIword. I only need to switch him from Eudora, then he's getting Linux- I don't think he will even notice the difference; he doesn't even know what an OS is.

Re:Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass...

[SomeGuyFromCA]

GNUWin. For all your Win32 OSS needs.

Re:Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass...

[sp0rk173]

Yes, I too am planning such a move for my parents. It would be nice, however, if Gnucash wasn't so ugly. It's still using gtk1. This upsets me. A Quicken-like-program is all that's holding my dad back. After the recent ass raping they got with spyware on their computer, they're getting more and more disenchanted with windows. I'm also aware of the OSS games that exist on *nix platforms, and may i just say - they mostly suck. There are exceptions, like UT and others, but those aren't exactly OSS games. The closest i've seen is Savage, but it's still closed source. Not that i'm complaining or anything, I bought the bastard.

Re:Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass...

[sp0rk173]

Oh, and MUD = Multi User Dungeon. It's like dungeons and dragons for people who, rather than that three friends, have no friends. Very popular in the *nix world, however. I'm not claiming any kind of corelation here.

Re:Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass...

[sp0rk173]

thank you, greatly appreciated.

Re:Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass...

[(C)0N0(R)]

Wine should allow Qicken to run on Linux

URL autocomplete feature in Firefox

[rsax]

Can someone point this out to me - perhaps I'm not looking hard enough. In Mozilla you can enable URL autocomplete so that while you type the url in the location bar it completes it as you go along. In Firefox it appears to work like IE - you type but it drops down a list of similar URLs and from there you have to hit TAB to choose the right one. Is there a way to make Firefox autocomplete like Mozilla does?

Re:URL autocomplete feature in Firefox

[chuonthis]

Type about:config in the address bar. Search for the pref browser.urlbar.autoFill and set it to true. If it doesn't exist, right click > New > Boolean and enter browser.urlbar.autoFill and true.

Re:URL autocomplete feature in Firefox

[signingis]

Where is this documented? Oh, and WHY WOULD THEY REMOVE THIS FUNCTIONALITY IN THE FIRST PLACE!! Thanks. :) Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING. Yay lamesness filter!! :D

Re:URL autocomplete feature in Firefox

[gnu-generation-one]

Is there any way to get the "proper" google search working in FireFox?

(i.e. type something in the URL bar, and the google search is the last item in the drop-down list)

FireFox's separate search box is just less easy to use

Only 1 gripe...

[UnknownSoldier]

FireFox is looking & running sweeting.

Is there a command-line paramater to NOT have the .exe use/share the same copy in memory? Basically bypass the semaphore code.

i.e.
I have a *lot* of windows open, usually 4 browsers with 20 tabs each. When 1 window crashes, ALL of them crash. (I copied an url from Mozilla into OpenOffice and had them both stall :(

Each time you run IE, it starts up a new thread. If one browser window crashes, you can just start fire up another copy. (Of course stability of the system is another issuem with the integration of the OS, but that's another story.)

It sure would be nice to be able to have the user decide if he wants a new instance as a stand-alone, or shared thread.

Yeah, Yeah, I can hack the code, but if someone already has done this... ;-)

Re:Only 1 gripe...

[Anonymous Coward]

nope.

but you can set MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 (it's an environment variable) and give a profile to each one. it's a bit of a pain but it will work (well, it works for me w/ seamonkey, i tend to have up to 15 crashed mozillas sitting in debuggers on my system).

Works Perfectly

[linguae]

I just upgraded to Mozilla 1.7 from Mozilla 1.6. It works perfectly and I do notice a speed bump. It even saved my old settings (after deleting the Mozilla folder). I wonder if 1.7 is going to work on my old Windows 95 box as well; 1.6 works perfectly there, and it only has a 166MHz Pentium MMX and 48MB RAM! Keep on making good products, Mozilla!

And you can always disclude components from Moz

[justinarthur]

During a custom install of Mozilla, you can actually unselect components that you might not want, anyway.

dictionary

[Anonymous Coward]

someone needs to learn the meaning of 'verge'... A little Tragically hip is in order.

Font rendering

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm using mozilla 1.7 with mandrake, and the fonts don't look at all as good as the ones on the mozilla 1.6 mandrake comes with. How can I make mozilla use the nice anti-aliased mandrake fonts?

Always been curious about..

[MikeCapone]

I have a *lot* of windows open, usually 4 browsers with 20 tabs each. When 1 window crashes, ALL of them crash. (I copied an url from Mozilla into OpenOffice and had them both stall :(

Everytime there's a story about browsers someone posts something like this. I've always wondered; what the hell are you doing with all these pages open?

Honest question.

Re:Always been curious about..

[Anonymous Coward]

Browser 1: brunettes
Browser 2: blondes
Browser 3: redheads
Browser 4: bald
Or, in a shorter way to answer your question:
fap-fappity-fap-fap-fap

Re:Always been curious about..

[ChristTrekker]

I don't have that many open, but often I'll skim my favorite news sites (slashdot, WND, macslash) and open all the interesting headlines in new tabs. Then throughout the day if I get a break I read one. It's not unusual to have a dozen or more tabs open, 4-5 is very common. Many more if I'm doing online research as well, and sometimes I'm doing research on multiple projects at once. Rather than depend on the history to get back to the page that referenced me here, I'll open links in tabs so I can flip back and forth more easily.

Re:Always been curious about..

[MikeCapone]

Yes, 4-5 tabs on average I can understand. A max of a dozen and more for a certain amount of time, okay.

But I've seen so many people claim that they *constantly* have in excess of 80 tabs open. That I don't understand.

Re:Always been curious about..

[UnknownSoldier]

Browsing forums. Each main window is a different forum, with all the threads I'm interested in reading, in a new "tab"

--
"It is better to aim for the stars and hit the tops of the trees than to aim for nothing and hit it dead on."

Well, I'm glad they are :)

[timothy]

It seems to happen less and less, but when I end up working on a borrowed computer running Microsoft Windows, downloading and installing Mozilla is usually a great way to maintain some sanity. There may be a lot of great programs for Windows, but the fact that Mozilla is cross-platform and versatile means that I don't have to download several programs to do the jobs I want it for. (Besides which, maybe it's just the Windows culture, but finding non-nagware / shareware software isn't as easy as it is for the unixy world, at least for me the occasional visitor. Is there a good free/Free irc client for Windows?)

I'm not a big fan of the composer (though it's probably a lot better than it used to be), but the Mozilla IRC client (chatzilla) is great. It lacks DCC, but I'm happy with it, to the point that after a few years of using it a bit more and a bit more, it's become my main IRC client. (And since I'm in IRC all day, I've gotten used to it, a non-vicious circle.)

I used to think Chatzilla was a joke, a bit like the text-based "kitchen sink" thing, but with the Composer (my own taste aside), excellent mail client, great browser and IRC client, it's very nearly a complete internet --duh --
"suite." If there was a terminal with a built-in SSH client, it would be the perfect Windows conversion tool :)

timothy

Re:Well, I'm glad they are :)

[Single GNU Theory]

Is there a good free/Free irc client for Windows?

I use X-Chat and gaim on both Windows and Linux, and I'm pretty happy with both of them. I haven't used Gaim for IRC, but it's in there. The only issue I've ever had is keeping gaim, pan, X-Chat, and GIMP 2.0 happy with whatever versions of the Win32 port of GTK+ I have managed to install.

Because people are bastards

[aussie_a]

Seriously. Some people abuse the moderation function (IMO). Posts that are obviously asking a serious question get modded funny by a sarcastic person, and those who feel insecure about something will fight back via modding rather then intelligent discussion.

It's ridiculous, but it's how people (ab)use their modding power.

hrmm...

[interactive_civilian]

Well...you are the second to say "no problems", so there is a good chance that it is just me. I haven't tried moderation for awhile, so it might work now (I've since upgraded to Panther and upgraded browsers a few times)...

This is probably a PEBCAK, or it is just something funny about my system that I haven't noticed yet (a corrupt file or something...still PEBCAK IMHO)

But I just wanted to ask and see if anyone else had similar problems...

Cheers. :)

Re:hrmm...

[Anonymous Coward]

Not just you. I'm using firefox 0.9 and at least 1/4 times the page is formatted poorly.

One interesting difference is that with "firefox 0.8" if I went "forward & back" it would not fix the problem; but with "firefox 0.9" if I go forward & back it fixes it (for that one page).

Re:fp? tsarkon reports

[Anonymous Coward]

Fuck you.

This is bug ridden shit that is porrly supported. Fuck you.

And JWZ is right, the way mail is stored is FUCKING WRONG. And if any of you fucking assholes took elementary CS anywhere, including the community colleges dumpster of deprecated books, you would know better.

Unpaid smelly fucking hippies make shit software.

From an Opera user

[Anonymous Coward]

Does it support mouse gestures, like Opera?

Opera has tabbed browsing and pop-ups blockers to, and it's fast. But been able to navigate just by pressing down the right button and moving the mouse is so addictive that I can't use any browser without this.

Re:From an Opera user

[MetalliQaZ]

Mozilla supports gestures through extensions

What we need....

[obdulio]

Is a browser that filters /. dupes.....

bloated =(

[myom]

This is kind of good news. At this rate Mozilla might load as fast and require as little memory as IE by the time it is scrapped and Mozilla 2 is started up to clean out the code again. This is not a troll, but a resigned sigh after seeing the slow development and bloated releases from Mozilla and its spinoffs. I am aware that the reason IE uses so little memory and loads so fast is because parts of it are used in the OS. Some results: www.dn.se - IE 21 368kB, Firefox 21 240kB www.slashdot.org - IE 18 508kB, Firefox 22 248kB Load times were a bit higher with Firefox, and image rendering slower. I also did tests with a remote control session, which makes it easier to spot slow load times and picture rendering in web browsers, because of the periodic updates of the screen where this difference was clearly visible. I did tests with both cached and non cached pages and IE did a better job. I use Firefox as a default web browser on my Windows machine, but do not let Mozilla stay installed after seeing it is so bloated. I give it a chance each release, but alas I see no improvement. It seems to be a colossal memory hog, and it makes me wonder if the project can and should survive considering the already bloated code. Ah, the good old days of 8 bit computing, when people did great things with so little resources.

related SecurityFocus article

[Errtu76]

Nice column about the flaws of IE compared to Mozilla.

For the love of Xprint.

[MROD]

Why do the Mozilla team have a love of using Xprint as their printing engine?

OK, in theory it's a nice idea but all the implementations I've come across are really dire.

The Xprt servers are generally single threaded with performance which sucks rocks through straws, they often crash and in the end produce output which is hardly readable.

Trying to use Xprt in a distributed, multi-user environment is, to put it mildly, challenging. Because of the single threaded nature of the X Consortium's implementation of the Xprt server it will only allow one client to connect and print at any one time, so whenever anyone prints they act as a denial of service attack for everyone else. Not only this, but even with the 3rd party package installed which makes the Solaris Xprt server actually work the output to printers is not exactly good, with letters running into each other and in random colours.

Why can't Mozilla use one of the other, well debugged and functional print engines rather than the half-hearted and poorly implemented Xprint which has never worked properly since it was first implemented in X11R6?

Sometimes it feels like the Mozilla developers are so focused on the idea that the only users of their product will be single-user, single desktop machines. Oh, yes, I forgot, that's what most of them are developing on.

Re:For the love of Xprint.

[Anonymous Coward]

Blame Xfree86 for their braindead and broken Xprint implementation. xprint.mozdev.org, freedesktop.org, Mandrake, Debian, Sun and HP all have working Xprint servers, only the one in Xfree86 is broken. Really broken... ;-(

Try again with the server from http://xprint.mozdev.org and the output will look better. MUCH better. Better than anything the rotten builtin Postscript generator in Mozilla did.

using tabs

[lemody]

mozilla tabs have one very stupid problem. if i click a new tab with middle mouse, and then start to fill up some form on the page i still am (another is loading in another tab) focus is suddenly moved to another form on another tab (when the other page has finished loading) and all the text i am writing goes there, i don't like at all.

Re:using tabs

[Anonymous Coward]

Which version were you using? I remember this problem from a while back, but don't think I had it with Moz 1.6.

Re:using tabs

[Single GNU Theory]

In the tabbed browsing preferences in Mozilla, try the "Load links in the background" option.

Middle-clicking will open the link in a new tab, but your focus will stay put until you select the new tab.

Re:using tabs

[rsadelle]

Huh. Thanks. I never knew what that option did so I never turned it on, and the changing focus has been annoying me recently. No more paging down the wrong tab!

THANK YOU!!!

[scarolan]

THank you so much for pointing this out. My end users have been complaining for weeks "Why is the Internet so slow?" No one in my lug group knew why this was happening, we all thought it was crappy nameservers.

And still no slashdot compatibility...

[Cinquero]

... on slower lines...

Thanks for drawing my attention to it!!!

[zoney_ie]

Bah! I hadn't noticed that! Now it annoys me!!!

Grrr... And there was me revelling in the delights of Firefox 0.9. Although I'm not as impressed with Tbird. There's no themes on the new upload site and the old ones I can't get to install. (Oh I can go through the motions, it even shows the added theme in the theme mangler briefly as if it is installing it)

Mind you, I should content myself. I'm using goodness knows what res. with two monitors. Mwah hah hah hah. Tbird and Firefox displayed at once.

1.7? mozilla.org is giving me 1.7...

[mt-biker]

Yeah, the page _says_ mozilla 1.7, but the URL it gives me for the download is the 1.6 version. What's up with that?

A little poking around in the FTP directory, and I found the 1.7 versions...

Biggest plus.

[CFBMoo1]

Biggest plus about installing Mozilla under linux is how easy it is. Untar as root, run the installer, boom done.. One more step to making it single click like windows and they'll have software installation down as easy as it is in windows.

Just have to eliminate that untar thing. Although I do love tar'n things. Makes life easier for archiving. Maybe they could make it like the java shell script install, have it unarchive and then automaticlly run the installer.

Have to say the 1.7 release is firing up faster then the 1.6 did on my RH 9 box. Nice job, I'll be ordering a T-shirt later on. Can't wait to put it on my Mandrake machines.

Re:Biggest plus.

[Anonymous Coward]

The T-shirt?

Re:God this is ridiculous

[Goose In Orbit]

Got curious...
Had a look at fark.com...
Saw way too many ads (all flashing, hence even more annoying)...
Closed window...

You are suggesting that a WOMAN achieved FP? LMAO!

[Anonymous Coward]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You expect us to believe that a WOMAN posesses the skills necessary to achieve FP?

The only time women and computers should come together is when they are posing in front of a camera on hotlesbianaction.com

Re:Stupid question...

[angulion]

At the webfirm I'm on most of designers use Dreamweaver, and later clean the html by hand.

As browser most use FireFox together with the excellent Webdev extension.

Debian unstable has the same problem

[PoochieReds]

Ahhh! Many thanks for pointing this out. I've had this problem for some time with my Debian box as well. The fix for Debian is to change the line in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases that reads:

alias net-pf-10 ipv6 ...to...

alias net-pf-10 off

and rebooting. Mozilla is back to being speedy again!

Re:God this is ridiculous

[walt-sjc]

That's what adzap is for.

Dialer-site for Mozilla

[tmk]

The site http://xxxtoolbar.com/ tries to install malicious code as XPI.

Is this a proof of acceptance or is it an alarm signal?

CSS opacity!!

[CosmicDreams]

It appears that mozilla.org also supports opacity

Re:CSS opacity!!

[ChristTrekker]

This was announced in a nightly some time ago, and I was rejoicing. (Since 1.0 I hardly ever grab nightlies, so it was a happy coincidence that I did and it happened to be the first build with opacity support.) Even better is that it is also in Firefox now.

This is so cool because it makes it so easy to have CSS link "buttons" over a patterned background that require neither image buttons nor pixel-precise positioning to look right. Just set the background-color to some color and partially opaque, and the border the same color but less/more opaque - or a slightly darker/lighter color with the same opacity, if you want it to look better in non-opacity browsers. Tweak the :hover and :active as well for more button-like effects.

Re:Fedora Core 2 - Thank you so much!

[perseguidor]

...for pointing this out. I wouldn't have read the article by myself as I'm not that interested in it, so your comment saved me from this endless googleing I was into after upgrading my rh9 box to 2.6.6

Re:God this is ridiculous

[Goose In Orbit]

I'm at work, so can't install anything useful

ftp upload

[hey]

The release notes say it can do ftp uploads.
But I can't see how to do it.
Anyone know.

Wasn't there a project called Filezilla
that did this? Merged?

Re:ftp upload

[Penguin]

Login to a FTP site - ftp://user:pass@site/ - and select "Upload file" from the File menu.

I might still have to use IE instead of Mozilla as a poor man's FTP client. Even though it's just regarded as a very simple FTP client, I don't like the following issues:

1a. The file dialogue only enables you to select one file!
1b. Under Windows one can't drag'n'drop files into the window.
2. Mozilla appearently don't request a new list after a file has been uploaded.

If you are about to upload a bunch of files, Mozilla isn't your friend.

Re:ftp upload

[hey]

Thanks very much. That works for me.
Never satisfied, now I want a way to delete a file.

Did you know that....

[veecee_veecee]

the installer for Firefox 0.9 on Linux strongly recommends that I exit all Windows programs??? Don't believe me? Look here...

Re:God this is ridiculous

[HTH NE1]

.entirelefttoolbar { display: none ! important }
.entirerighttoolbar { display: none ! important }

Put the above in your ~/.mozilla/*/*/chrome/userContent.css file (adjusting for platform as required) and it will get rid of all the clutter on fark.com.

Re:This is a problem! He's (or she's) right!

[HTH NE1]

I run Mozilla 1.3 on Redhat 6.2 and I don't have the problem. (Can't run anything newer, either one.)

But then I also have an extensive userContent.css file overriding widths and heights on all table-related tags, suppression of images with width=1 or height=1, suppression of all spacer tags, and overriding all align attributes to left text alignment and no floating.

RPMS for FC 2

[Anonymous Coward]

Any idea the rpms for FC 2, any URL from download

Thanks

xchat?

[timothy]

Huh, thanks for reminding me of that. I had forgotten that xchat came in a Windows flavor as well. Sounds like you have to install GTK+ for Windows though as well?

My question was too short of course, since I do like Chatzilla (and just found that newer versions do indeed have DCC, contradicting my claim that it didn't) and that is on Windows as well. Thanks for the info!

timothy

Re:xchat?

[Single GNU Theory]

Now that I think about it, I think X-Chat is all right, but it was gaim and pan and GIMP that required GTK+ for Windows. FWIW, I have recent versions of everything on Windows and they're all playing nicely. I think the trick is to upgrade everything at the same time.

Now, if Mozilla had a music player and Chatzilla did other IM protocols, I wouldn't need an OS...

Paging in Mozilla and Firefox

[Single GNU Theory]

In Mozilla and Firefox, when you hit the page down key, the page doesn't scroll as far as when you click down for the next page in the scrollbar. IE does this too, I think. It always kind of annoys me because I have to scan a couple lines to get back to where I stopped reading.

However, in the old 4.x Netscape versions, the page moved the same amount for either method, which is what I like.

Can anyone explain to me why browsers would page like that? Even better, is there a setting in Mozilla or Firefox that will make them page down like clicking the scroll bar?

Piece of crap

[Doc Ruby]

I "upgraded" from 1.6 to 1.7 upon its release, and 1.7 has big problems. It does render, start up, and get pages faster. But it renders them with bad font and GNOME widget support, not seeming to integrate with the actual windowing toolkit. The upgrade instructions were bad, requiring "uninstall" of the old app, but not specifying how. And hitting a Java page, triggering an "install" of a new Java2-1.3 VM, seems to proceed, but upon restarting the browser, there's no sign of the installation. And that's after less than 24h of use. The release notes, with mentions of several important features they supposedly included, but without a UI, complete a picture of a rushed release of an incomplete product. Sometimes free software is worth every penny.