But Joe Average doesn't care about security! Do you have any idea how many Windows users don't have a virusscanner installed, even though they know viruses exist? As far as Joe Average is concerned, security doesn't exist.
Because they all target a different audience. It is impossible to have 1 distro that fits all.
Let's look at the following targets: server, corporate desktop, home desktop and embedded. Server: customizability and security is a Good Thing(tm). You don't need GUI tools, they only make the server less stable. You need to have server software installed.
Corporate desktop: you need GUIs. You don't want server software, but office software. Security is important. This target conflicts with the server target.
Home desktop: *customizability and security* are not important. The home user simply doesn't care and is lazy. He doesn't want to customize everything, and doesn't want to enter a password to install software. This conflicts with both server and corporate desktop.
Embedded: you want to have as less stuff as possible because disk space and memory are limited. This conflicts with all of the above.
You see? Totally different targets with totally different needs. And this is just an example, the real world is much, MUCH more complicated. Add a graphical installer and you'll piss off the old school power users or users with old hardware. Don't add a graphical installer and you'll piss of the home user. Add an option and you'll confuse the hell out of newbies. Etc. etc. You can't have one single distro that fits them all, the situations are too different.
How about GARGNOME? It's a BSD ports-like system. It takes time to compile but if you have a reasonably fast machine, you should be able to turn your computer on in the morning, type in a command, go to work, and find a working GNOME 2 system when you come back from work. (I've never tried it though.)
Oh BTW, about the integrated browser: Galeon 2 provides a Nautilus 2 view. It works pretty well.
Re:Enhanced KDE 2.2? I have that!
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The reason why they keep changing APIs is to correct design errors. They break APIs less and less often. Look at the changes beween KDE 1 and 2: they're HUGE! Now look at the changes between KDE 2 and 3: they're mostly source compatible. And compare GTK+ 2.0 with 2.1: they're planning on making 2.2 binary compatible with 2.0, because the API is good and mature enough.
At least open source projects are willing to break compatibility for the sake of better designs. The APIs become more and more stable as projects mature.
And why should I care about what the masses think? This is SLASHDOT, 99.9% of the masses don't come here! This is a site for nerds, so I give my opinion as a nerd. If I have a job, then I adapt my attitude to the situation. If you're in Rome, do as the Romans.
Think whatever you want about the Linux community. I told you I'm representing the Slashdot community, and you realize that the small impression may not be always right, yet you still hop behind the masses. Popularism isn't going to get you anywhere. Letting the masses do all the thinkwork for you is stupid. Wether that's the reality or not is irrelevant.
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No, you're wrong. I'm not representing the Linux community, I'm representing the Slashdot community. Slashdot is a site for nerds. Period. Non-nerds have no business here. If you are not part of the target audience, then don't complain and don't come here. Similarly, people without computers shouldn't read manuals about how to setup Solaris. It's as simple as that.
And don't forget:
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Because Slashdot is a site for technical people. They care. I'm not a kernel developer, but I care about Linux development. If you don't care, then: 1) You do not belong here. Go find yourself a different news source. 2) Change your account settings to hide Linux-related stories.
Do Berlin/Fresco work? Do they support my graphics card? Are there any applications for those systems? Are they easy to setup? Until all those goals are reached, Berlin and Fresco are only useful to show off how l33t you are, but serve no practical purpose.
It's funny how you praise Berlin. Berlin communicates via CORBA. And guess what all the anti-GNOME/anti-ORBit trolls and the KDE people say about CORBA? It's slow!
And X was *designed* to be extensible. The designers back in the 80s realized that their work will once be outdated. Sure, there will be a day when X *must* be replaced, but that day is nowhere near today. X can be extended for a very long time.
Could that be the first step towards infinite stability? If the X server crashes (still happen a lot less than Windows ME), will it be possible to launch a new X session and move all the old clients to the new server, and continue as if nothing happened?
I can count the number of viruses for Linux that are released this year with my fingers. I can't count the number of viruses for Windows released in 1 week!
What do you call slow? Modem/ISDN/Cable/ADSL? Hello, NOTHING runs fast over those connections! Not VNC, not Windows(tm) Desktop Sharing(r) XP, not Windows(tm) Terminal(c) Services(r)!
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How about ATFM* or FABR**?
(* Ask The Fine Mailing-list)
(** Fill A Bug Report)
Well there are a lot of experts who use Windows. So what makes you think it's hard/impossible?
Then the GNOME Human Interface Guide is exactly what you are looking for.
Oh BTW, GNOME is a desktop environment. Now you know.
Ximain Setup Tools have been abandoned. Ximian is no longer sponsoring it. Instead, it continues it's life as GNOME System Tools.
But Joe Average doesn't care about security! Do you have any idea how many Windows users don't have a virusscanner installed, even though they know viruses exist? As far as Joe Average is concerned, security doesn't exist.
What about the GNOME Human Interface Guide?
Because they all target a different audience. It is impossible to have 1 distro that fits all.
Let's look at the following targets: server, corporate desktop, home desktop and embedded.
Server: customizability and security is a Good Thing(tm). You don't need GUI tools, they only make the server less stable. You need to have server software installed.
Corporate desktop: you need GUIs. You don't want server software, but office software. Security is important.
This target conflicts with the server target.
Home desktop: *customizability and security* are not important. The home user simply doesn't care and is lazy. He doesn't want to customize everything, and doesn't want to enter a password to install software.
This conflicts with both server and corporate desktop.
Embedded: you want to have as less stuff as possible because disk space and memory are limited. This conflicts with all of the above.
You see? Totally different targets with totally different needs. And this is just an example, the real world is much, MUCH more complicated. Add a graphical installer and you'll piss off the old school power users or users with old hardware. Don't add a graphical installer and you'll piss of the home user. Add an option and you'll confuse the hell out of newbies. Etc. etc.
You can't have one single distro that fits them all, the situations are too different.
How about GARGNOME? It's a BSD ports-like system. It takes time to compile but if you have a reasonably fast machine, you should be able to turn your computer on in the morning, type in a command, go to work, and find a working GNOME 2 system when you come back from work.
(I've never tried it though.)
Perhaps you'll like Red Carpet
But why stick yourself in the past? Nautilus 1 is a thing of the past, let it go. Nautilus 2 is the present, and it's a lot faster.
> Because RH7.3 is Gnome 1.4-based
That's what the source code is for. I compiled GNOME 2 completely from source.
Why do people keep ranting about how bad Nautilus 1 is but don't even try Nautilus 2?
"and I really can't find nothing but positive comments about it."
Shall I collect some for you? They are all from this article.
"...but nautilus is WAY too slow for serious use."
"but hate the speed."
"Bloatware"
"Nautilus is the biggest bloat this side of Redmond."
"I'm sorry but in my 'performance' experience Nautilus was slow as hell not to mention unstable."
"but Nautilus is pretty damn slow."
And that's just the top of the iceberg.
Oh BTW, about the integrated browser: Galeon 2 provides a Nautilus 2 view. It works pretty well.
The reason why they keep changing APIs is to correct design errors. They break APIs less and less often. Look at the changes beween KDE 1 and 2: they're HUGE! Now look at the changes between KDE 2 and 3: they're mostly source compatible. And compare GTK+ 2.0 with 2.1: they're planning on making 2.2 binary compatible with 2.0, because the API is good and mature enough.
At least open source projects are willing to break compatibility for the sake of better designs. The APIs become more and more stable as projects mature.
No, and stare at a screen with only stories about Science, Patents, Censorship, Space, Microsoft, etc.
And why should I care about what the masses think? This is SLASHDOT, 99.9% of the masses don't come here! This is a site for nerds, so I give my opinion as a nerd. If I have a job, then I adapt my attitude to the situation. If you're in Rome, do as the Romans.
Think whatever you want about the Linux community. I told you I'm representing the Slashdot community, and you realize that the small impression may not be always right, yet you still hop behind the masses. Popularism isn't going to get you anywhere. Letting the masses do all the thinkwork for you is stupid. Wether that's the reality or not is irrelevant.
No, you're wrong. I'm not representing the Linux community, I'm representing the Slashdot community.
Slashdot is a site for nerds. Period. Non-nerds have no business here. If you are not part of the target audience, then don't complain and don't come here. Similarly, people without computers shouldn't read manuals about how to setup Solaris. It's as simple as that.
Linux .NET Professional Edition Second Edition Service Pack 3.
Because Slashdot is a site for technical people. They care. I'm not a kernel developer, but I care about Linux development.
If you don't care, then:
1) You do not belong here. Go find yourself a different news source.
2) Change your account settings to hide Linux-related stories.
Then how do you explain that 120 fps when playing games? If X is slow, then where does that 120 fps come from? Well?
Do Berlin/Fresco work? Do they support my graphics card? Are there any applications for those systems? Are they easy to setup?
Until all those goals are reached, Berlin and Fresco are only useful to show off how l33t you are, but serve no practical purpose.
It's funny how you praise Berlin. Berlin communicates via CORBA. And guess what all the anti-GNOME/anti-ORBit trolls and the KDE people say about CORBA? It's slow!
And X was *designed* to be extensible. The designers back in the 80s realized that their work will once be outdated. Sure, there will be a day when X *must* be replaced, but that day is nowhere near today. X can be extended for a very long time.
Could that be the first step towards infinite stability? If the X server crashes (still happen a lot less than Windows ME), will it be possible to launch a new X session and move all the old clients to the new server, and continue as if nothing happened?
I can count the number of viruses for Linux that are released this year with my fingers. I can't count the number of viruses for Windows released in 1 week!
Does Windows 95 support network transparency? Antialiasing? I don't think so.
And the Apple II had antialiasing in the '80s. And now, almost 2 decades later, Windows XP finally supports antialiasing.
Right, as if anyone cares who was the first! The important thing is that it's here NOW!
Yeah and it's already showing it's design flaws. Ever looked at the Win32 API? HORRIBLE! 30 lines just to create a window and a main loop? What?
What do you call slow? Modem/ISDN/Cable/ADSL? Hello, NOTHING runs fast over those connections! Not VNC, not Windows(tm) Desktop Sharing(r) XP, not Windows(tm) Terminal(c) Services(r)!