Not neccessarily. Look how long audio CDs were out before people were able to rip them.
It was possible to rip audio cds from the beginning. It was just that the average computer could store less than one ripped audio CD and on-the-fly decompression wasn't as much of an option.
Neither of these barries would exist today for an MD floppy drive.
Presumably, most people who'd buy an iPod can hear.
Not only can they hear, but the also want to listen to music. So much so that they're willing to spend hundreds on a player. Do you really want to listen to key beeps/clicks while you're queuing up that next song?
"We're Sergeant Pepper's CLICK lonely hearts CLICK CLICK band. We hope CLICK will CLICK...."
I always thought of MiniDisc medium as the potential to replace the floppydisk.
Me too.
but i wouldn't be suprised if sony is able to jump on it with a 1gb format.
I would. I was actually thinking about this today. Why didn't sony ever release cheap md-data drives for pcs?
My bet is copy protection. It has always be a bitch to copy data digitally from one md to another. A "floppy" MD would have destroyed that barrier, both then and now.
Try teaching your parents how to aquire digital music and then transfer it over to an iRiver device, then report back your findings regarding ease of use.
If someone's spending $400 on an mp3 player, they already have some mp3's or a good idea where to get them. It's a given.
Then all they need to do is drag the files to the drive.
If someone want's to copy a playlist to it, they just drag a winamp playlist onto it.
Perhaps you're asking about support for copying a playlist AND it's assosciated files?
These things are 20GB+! You just copy all your files onto it and leave them there.
You have to stop it somewhere. It really isn't to much to ask that you own the original digital source if you are making copies (or at least, can getyour hands on it;)
Minidisc doesn't know if you "own" the source or not. It just assumes that if it's digital, you shouldn't be able to copy it. That is stupid, and a real pain is the ass for musicians.
My iriver will record from line-in, mic-in, internal mic, or fiber-in to either mp3 or wav.
iI haven't seen any numbers for the new portables but old MD recorders were about 3 times that. Players even more-- topping out over 100hours.
Neither my minidisc, nor my gf's have ever gotten anywhere near that amount of time, especially when recording. Does yours run off D batteries or something?
As far as the delete/rename/divide tracks things, that's true at least for my unit. Minidisc did get that right. It's not something I'm too worried about it though. I wouldn't be suprised if a firmware upgrade makes that possible.
Anyone who owned MD players would not call the actual hardware crippled by any means, it just got bad vibes from advertising it as something it obviously was not.
I have owned MD hardware. It is crippled, deliberately by Sony. Try making a digital copy of an MD created from a digtal source to see what I mean.
1. recording--whether it be concerts or lectures
just recorded a lecture with my ihp-120 today
2. lack of dependence on PC
I have line-in, line-out, fiber-in, fiber-out. A PC makes management much easier, which is something the orignal md players desperately needed. Titleing things was a nightmare.
3. Battery life
16 hours
Your other points are somewhat valid, but I think Sony's missed the boat. Minidisc could have been awesome, *should* have been awesome. Sony killed it. They have internal conflicts of interest being both a hardware company and a record label. I think Minidisc would have made a great replacement for floppy disc drives years ago. Now, between cornice drives, flash ram, dvd-r's and laptop drives, there's not much room for Sony's proprietary format.
I'm sure MD will be around for quite a while as it's developed quite a loyal following, but I don't expect it's market to expand at all.
The people who seriously record live music events, whether from "taper-friendly" bands such as The Dead or Phish, or those who engage in "stealth" recording are adamantly opposed to any lossy encoding.
Actually a great many of these people use minidisc, a lossy format. The really crappy thing about minidisc is the (deliberate) difficulty of making a digital copy of the disc. This means people just dub cia the analog outputs, adding a decompression=>compression+noise+aritfacts cycle with each link in the distribution. I've heard the obvious negative results of this in a Phish recording.
Besides, the device can record to.wav files anyways. You get to choose.
anyone who buys a mp3 player is wasting their money now. Sony announched Hi-MD.
MD was awesome technology years ago.....except Sony crippled it.
Sony still cripples their NetMD devices (no high-speed transfer from the device).
Enjoy your wait for Sony's newest crippled MD product.
I'll be enjoying my ability to copy both to and FROM my ihp-120 as a standard USB mass storage device.
These devices don't integrate into any software, be it iTunes, Musicmatch, RealOne, Windows Media Player, or whatever.....These devices don't integrate into any software, be it iTunes, Musicmatch, RealOne, Windows Media Player, or whatever.
Oh come on. You plug it in. It shows up as a drive. You drag files to it. You unplug it. You press play. The filesystem is not proprietary. I'm am connected to it (ihp-120) right now with my Linux box.
You're telling that's harder than setting up Musicmatch or Realone?
I conside this a plus. In order to support secure formats, you must agree to their rules (no copying the file back off the drive, etc.) This means trashing its true usb HDD status. I would much rather just remove whatever silly security measues are on any files I get and do as I please with them.
Yes, god forbid I ever want to change the battery in my ihp-120, I will be able to do it myself, without damaging the case. Besides, they're nice-looking, recessed, torx screws.
I agree 100%. I just got my ihp-120 and I'm super-impressed with it. While the audio output isn't quite as badassed as my Sharp Zaurus, it's great for anything but ear-destroying volumes on low-impedance headphones. (My Sennheiser HD495's work well at all but the highest volumes then, the iriver just can't put out enough bass.)
I only have 2 gripes so far:
-It should be able to charge from the USB port
-You should be able to record from the radio
So far I haven't hit any recording time limitations. Did you hit the 4GB FAT32 fiel size limit?
Its cheaper, but not quite as good looking or easy to use as the iPod...as an mp3 player
I disagree. I think this thing is better looking than the ipod and much easier to use. One thing that really bothers me about the ipod is the lack of tactile feedback. To me, this is just another example of Apple's "form over function" mentality...like the "hockey puck" mouse. Maybe some people thought those looked good, but I think my logitech mouse is both nicer looking, AND it actually fits my hand.
I agree the the recording ability is great though. Another thing the iriver has is the nicest wired remote I've seen on any portable music player, period. I was also shocked by the number of extras that came in the box: line in cable, external mic, headphone extension, leather case and of course earbuds, usb cable and power supply.
40GB is roughly three weeks worth of MP3s, and most people outside of hardcore music enthusiasts will never accumulate nearly that many, and no one but semi-truckers would need to take that much with them.
It's not just an MP3 player, it's a portable USB 2.0 hard drive.
Maybe people won't completely fill this up with music, but they can take care of the rest by dragging their entire "My Documents" folder onto it.
I just got my iHP-120 last night and this thing rocks. Sure I don't have it completely full of music, but I use the rest of the space for other types of files. I just wish I had this thing back when I was in college. I could have carried all my coursework with me to any lab I ended up at. No messing around FTPing things back and forth, just plug it in and drag and drop.
Technically these "CDs" are NOT actual CDs. They do not conform to red book standards. Philips is not happy about this.
This is like me going to an auto parts store and buying pre-mixed antifreeze, then finding out that it's just plain water. Sure it will work okay in some instances, but it's not what it was advertised to be and it's inferior.
The should be able to copy-protect their discs all they want, but they should be called something other than "compact discs". They are deliberately misleading the consumer about what they are buying.
Wouldn't you be pissed if:
You bought a "CD", brought it home and it didn't work.
You returned it, got another one and it didn't work.
You went back to the store and they told you that they will not give refunds on opened CDs, DVDs, games, etc.
You just spend fifteen buck on something that wasn't what they said it was, doesn't work, and the store is refusing to take it back!
Think about it: Doing a similar system in the air is a great place to learn about how to do this with cars...since asside from takeoff and landing, there's a much bigger tollerance for error in the wide blue skys.
Riight...
because when you stall your car, you just sit there, but when you stall a plane you just might die.
Flying a plane doesn't have as much room for error as you'd like to think.
Another good example would be getting lost and running out of gas (perhaps the navigation system messes up). In a car, you slowly coast to a stop. In a plane, you get to make an emergency landing.
I understand you we thinking about running into telephone poles and such, but the thing is there aren't fewer problems in the sky, just different ones.
Extending the cable is very easy; just cut the cord and add some extra cable in-between. If you're not one for soldering and/or crimping simple connectors onto the wire, just twist them together (perhaps with a wirenut) and tape them up.
Wirenuts! Just twist them together!!!!!
Good god man! You sound like type that would tell someone to just wrap aluminum foil around a blown fuse.
That wouldn't last a week. Then his cob job cord will short out his $400 mp3 player.
If he's going to extend the cord, he should do it right or not at all.
Besides, he should go out and buy himself a decent pair of earbuds anyways. He'll spend a few bucks, but they'll be more comfortable, sound better and have a longer cord.
That presents a real problem. Guns are very tightly regulated through legal channels. IF you wish to buy a gun from a legit dealer, you must be of proper age (18 for long guns, 21 for hand guns). When you declare your intent to purchase it, they will take your personal information, and call the police with it. The police then use that to do a background check via NICS. If that should return any number of red flags, such as being underage, have a felony conviction, having outstanding warrants, having domestic violence convictions, or having been comitted to a mental health facility, the sale will be denied.
So this means that underage kids have only two real methods of getting guns:
1) Illegal dealers.
2) Their parents.
This was a case of #2. Well then, that would mean that the parents are to blame for permitting their kids to have unsupervised access to firearms. That implies personal responsibility on the part of the parents. That is the one thing the world seems to not be about these days, is responsibility for ones own actions. Parents blame their kids behaviour on videogames or TV. Heck, leaders of dictatorships blame their countries' problem on the US.
I'm not highly familiar with whatever particular incident is being described, but it's important to realize the at some point, parents can't do shit.
When you're 16, you're not a baby. You're reasonably smart, and physically capable of doing things for yourself.
My point is that if I was sixteen and my dad had a gun I wanted to do something with, I could get it. There is just about nothing that can be done to prevent this.
You can put it in a safe, with a trigger lock on it, buried in the back yard. If they want it bad enough, they'll still be able to get it.
I'm totally in favor of criminal charges to those who leave their gun out for their 10 year old to shoot themself with, but pretending that the problem is that a sixteen year old could get access to his dad's gun is just silly.
The problem is what the kid DID with the gun. He could have just as easily took his dad's car and started moving down pedestrians. Oh crap! They could blame that on GTA as well:)
As a sidenote, I think it also important to realize that a gun is not a Pentium processor. It is early 1900's technology. I wish we, as a society, would just realize that the cat is out of the bag and accept it. The reality is that any seriously motivated individual with a few hundred dollars to blow is going to be able to get a gun no matter what laws you pass, or where you lay the blame.
Even if you were to magically destroy all the guns tonight, and make them illegal, criminals would still get their guns. It's frickin old technology. The incentive to produce them is there. It will happen.
I'm not saying we should go around handing out guns, but I wish people would be a little more realistic about our ability to restrict access to firearms from reasonably smart, motivated individuals.
I may eat these words later, but for a 115USD a 1-2gb player that is smaller than the current ipod? Flash memory is certainly not that cheap, and as for hard disks, even a used microdrive goes for more than that.
Exactly. I 100% agree with you. This is just plain not going to happen for near $100.
I CHALLENGE ANY OF THESE RUMOR-SPOUTING IDIOTS TO FIND ME 1-2 GB OF STORAGE FOR LESS THAN $100.
This is like someone saying that Ford "announced" a new Taurus that gets 100 mpg and costs $5,000.
It's B.S. ...obvious B.S.
If you understand the technology on the market right now, you can see through these claims almost instantly. Apple does not have Vorlon technology. McFly did not come back from the future and give them the plans. Scotty has not given them the formula for transparent aluminum.
The reason this rumor is doing so well is that people WANT to believe. To your average joe, it sounds plausible, and also like something they'd really like to have. It's like a short-term urban legend, maybe the one about the black ferrari and night vision goggle (check snopes), it's a cool idea, and we'd all like to have one, but it if you really think about it, it's silly to bevlieve.
Come on. Quit posting lame, trollish comments. Apple products are consistently the most elegant pieces of equipment on the market, asthetically (and often technically).
Riigghht. That Apple newton sitting is my basement works perfectly. I like clicking my hockey-puck mouse with my upper-palm too.
You're exactly the kind of "Apple can do no wrong" fanboy the grandparent post was talking about. Apple has made its share of mistakes.
The comment you responded to wasn't about Apple consistently making crappy products, it was about loopy Apple fans who believe that they can do no wrong.
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These new Hi-MD players support native PCM equal-to-CD-quality recording. Goodbye DAT, hello Minidisc
Except that just like the current netmd recorders you will not be able to digitally transfer your recordngs to your computer. Isn't that a bitch?
This is why the MD format has sucked, does suck, and will continue to suck.
Not neccessarily. Look how long audio CDs were out before people were able to rip them.
It was possible to rip audio cds from the beginning. It was just that the average computer could store less than one ripped audio CD and on-the-fly decompression wasn't as much of an option.
Neither of these barries would exist today for an MD floppy drive.
Presumably, most people who'd buy an iPod can hear.
Not only can they hear, but the also want to listen to music. So much so that they're willing to spend hundreds on a player. Do you really want to listen to key beeps/clicks while you're queuing up that next song?
"We're Sergeant Pepper's CLICK lonely hearts CLICK CLICK band. We hope CLICK will CLICK...."
I always thought of MiniDisc medium as the potential to replace the floppydisk.
Me too.
but i wouldn't be suprised if sony is able to jump on it with a 1gb format.
I would. I was actually thinking about this today. Why didn't sony ever release cheap md-data drives for pcs?
My bet is copy protection. It has always be a bitch to copy data digitally from one md to another. A "floppy" MD would have destroyed that barrier, both then and now.
iriver ihp-120
16 hours
how is that crap?
My minidisc player never lasted longer than that, and the battery life when recording was miserable.
Try teaching your parents how to aquire digital music and then transfer it over to an iRiver device, then report back your findings regarding ease of use.
If someone's spending $400 on an mp3 player, they already have some mp3's or a good idea where to get them. It's a given.
Then all they need to do is drag the files to the drive.
If someone want's to copy a playlist to it, they just drag a winamp playlist onto it.
Perhaps you're asking about support for copying a playlist AND it's assosciated files?
These things are 20GB+! You just copy all your files onto it and leave them there.
You have to stop it somewhere. It really isn't to much to ask that you own the original digital source if you are making copies (or at least, can getyour hands on it ;)
Minidisc doesn't know if you "own" the source or not. It just assumes that if it's digital, you shouldn't be able to copy it. That is stupid, and a real pain is the ass for musicians.
My iriver will record from line-in, mic-in, internal mic, or fiber-in to either mp3 or wav.
iI haven't seen any numbers for the new portables but old MD recorders were about 3 times that. Players even more-- topping out over 100hours.
Neither my minidisc, nor my gf's have ever gotten anywhere near that amount of time, especially when recording. Does yours run off D batteries or something?
As far as the delete/rename/divide tracks things, that's true at least for my unit. Minidisc did get that right. It's not something I'm too worried about it though. I wouldn't be suprised if a firmware upgrade makes that possible.
Anyone who owned MD players would not call the actual hardware crippled by any means, it just got bad vibes from advertising it as something it obviously was not.
I have owned MD hardware. It is crippled, deliberately by Sony. Try making a digital copy of an MD created from a digtal source to see what I mean.
1. recording--whether it be concerts or lectures
just recorded a lecture with my ihp-120 today
2. lack of dependence on PC
I have line-in, line-out, fiber-in, fiber-out. A PC makes management much easier, which is something the orignal md players desperately needed. Titleing things was a nightmare.
3. Battery life
16 hours
Your other points are somewhat valid, but I think Sony's missed the boat. Minidisc could have been awesome, *should* have been awesome. Sony killed it. They have internal conflicts of interest being both a hardware company and a record label. I think Minidisc would have made a great replacement for floppy disc drives years ago. Now, between cornice drives, flash ram, dvd-r's and laptop drives, there's not much room for Sony's proprietary format.
I'm sure MD will be around for quite a while as it's developed quite a loyal following, but I don't expect it's market to expand at all.
The people who seriously record live music events, whether from "taper-friendly" bands such as The Dead or Phish, or those who engage in "stealth" recording are adamantly opposed to any lossy encoding.
.wav files anyways. You get to choose.
Actually a great many of these people use minidisc, a lossy format. The really crappy thing about minidisc is the (deliberate) difficulty of making a digital copy of the disc. This means people just dub cia the analog outputs, adding a decompression=>compression+noise+aritfacts cycle with each link in the distribution. I've heard the obvious negative results of this in a Phish recording.
Besides, the device can record to
anyone who buys a mp3 player is wasting their money now. Sony announched Hi-MD.
MD was awesome technology years ago.....except Sony crippled it.
Sony still cripples their NetMD devices (no high-speed transfer from the device).
Enjoy your wait for Sony's newest crippled MD product.
I'll be enjoying my ability to copy both to and FROM my ihp-120 as a standard USB mass storage device.
These devices don't integrate into any software, be it iTunes, Musicmatch, RealOne, Windows Media Player, or whatever. ....These devices don't integrate into any software, be it iTunes, Musicmatch, RealOne, Windows Media Player, or whatever.
Oh come on. You plug it in. It shows up as a drive. You drag files to it. You unplug it. You press play. The filesystem is not proprietary. I'm am connected to it (ihp-120) right now with my Linux box.
You're telling that's harder than setting up Musicmatch or Realone?
2. Doesn't support any type of secure files.
I conside this a plus. In order to support secure formats, you must agree to their rules (no copying the file back off the drive, etc.) This means trashing its true usb HDD status. I would much rather just remove whatever silly security measues are on any files I get and do as I please with them.
The iriver will record direct to a .wav file.
44.1 KHz from the line-in or 48KHz from the optical in.
I see visible screws on the bottom.
Yes, god forbid I ever want to change the battery in my ihp-120, I will be able to do it myself, without damaging the case. Besides, they're nice-looking, recessed, torx screws.
I agree 100%. I just got my ihp-120 and I'm super-impressed with it. While the audio output isn't quite as badassed as my Sharp Zaurus, it's great for anything but ear-destroying volumes on low-impedance headphones. (My Sennheiser HD495's work well at all but the highest volumes then, the iriver just can't put out enough bass.)
I only have 2 gripes so far:
-It should be able to charge from the USB port
-You should be able to record from the radio
So far I haven't hit any recording time limitations. Did you hit the 4GB FAT32 fiel size limit?
what quality wavs does it record? does it do cd+ quality wav files?
Line-in 44khz 16bit
Optical-in 48khz 16bit
Don't know about the record time. I used it for about an hour continuously today, no problems.
Its cheaper, but not quite as good looking or easy to use as the iPod...as an mp3 player
I disagree. I think this thing is better looking than the ipod and much easier to use. One thing that really bothers me about the ipod is the lack of tactile feedback. To me, this is just another example of Apple's "form over function" mentality...like the "hockey puck" mouse. Maybe some people thought those looked good, but I think my logitech mouse is both nicer looking, AND it actually fits my hand.
I agree the the recording ability is great though. Another thing the iriver has is the nicest wired remote I've seen on any portable music player, period. I was also shocked by the number of extras that came in the box: line in cable, external mic, headphone extension, leather case and of course earbuds, usb cable and power supply.
40GB is roughly three weeks worth of MP3s, and most people outside of hardcore music enthusiasts will never accumulate nearly that many, and no one but semi-truckers would need to take that much with them.
It's not just an MP3 player, it's a portable USB 2.0 hard drive.
Maybe people won't completely fill this up with music, but they can take care of the rest by dragging their entire "My Documents" folder onto it.
I just got my iHP-120 last night and this thing rocks. Sure I don't have it completely full of music, but I use the rest of the space for other types of files. I just wish I had this thing back when I was in college. I could have carried all my coursework with me to any lab I ended up at. No messing around FTPing things back and forth, just plug it in and drag and drop.
Technically these "CDs" are NOT actual CDs. They do not conform to red book standards. Philips is not happy about this.
This is like me going to an auto parts store and buying pre-mixed antifreeze, then finding out that it's just plain water. Sure it will work okay in some instances, but it's not what it was advertised to be and it's inferior.
The should be able to copy-protect their discs all they want, but they should be called something other than "compact discs". They are deliberately misleading the consumer about what they are buying.
Wouldn't you be pissed if:
You just spend fifteen buck on something that wasn't what they said it was, doesn't work, and the store is refusing to take it back!
Think about it: Doing a similar system in the air is a great place to learn about how to do this with cars...since asside from takeoff and landing, there's a much bigger tollerance for error in the wide blue skys.
Riight...
because when you stall your car, you just sit there, but when you stall a plane you just might die.
Flying a plane doesn't have as much room for error as you'd like to think.
Another good example would be getting lost and running out of gas (perhaps the navigation system messes up). In a car, you slowly coast to a stop. In a plane, you get to make an emergency landing.
I understand you we thinking about running into telephone poles and such, but the thing is there aren't fewer problems in the sky, just different ones.
Do you have those? How's the sound quality?
(Right now I have a pair of Sennheiser HD495's.)
Extending the cable is very easy; just cut the cord and add some extra cable in-between. If you're not one for soldering and/or crimping simple connectors onto the wire, just twist them together (perhaps with a wirenut) and tape them up.
Wirenuts! Just twist them together!!!!!
Good god man! You sound like type that would tell someone to just wrap aluminum foil around a blown fuse.
That wouldn't last a week. Then his cob job cord will short out his $400 mp3 player.
If he's going to extend the cord, he should do it right or not at all.
Besides, he should go out and buy himself a decent pair of earbuds anyways. He'll spend a few bucks, but they'll be more comfortable, sound better and have a longer cord.
That presents a real problem. Guns are very tightly regulated through legal channels. IF you wish to buy a gun from a legit dealer, you must be of proper age (18 for long guns, 21 for hand guns). When you declare your intent to purchase it, they will take your personal information, and call the police with it. The police then use that to do a background check via NICS. If that should return any number of red flags, such as being underage, have a felony conviction, having outstanding warrants, having domestic violence convictions, or having been comitted to a mental health facility, the sale will be denied. So this means that underage kids have only two real methods of getting guns: 1) Illegal dealers. 2) Their parents. This was a case of #2. Well then, that would mean that the parents are to blame for permitting their kids to have unsupervised access to firearms. That implies personal responsibility on the part of the parents. That is the one thing the world seems to not be about these days, is responsibility for ones own actions. Parents blame their kids behaviour on videogames or TV. Heck, leaders of dictatorships blame their countries' problem on the US.
:)
I'm not highly familiar with whatever particular incident is being described, but it's important to realize the at some point, parents can't do shit.
When you're 16, you're not a baby. You're reasonably smart, and physically capable of doing things for yourself.
My point is that if I was sixteen and my dad had a gun I wanted to do something with, I could get it. There is just about nothing that can be done to prevent this.
You can put it in a safe, with a trigger lock on it, buried in the back yard. If they want it bad enough, they'll still be able to get it.
I'm totally in favor of criminal charges to those who leave their gun out for their 10 year old to shoot themself with, but pretending that the problem is that a sixteen year old could get access to his dad's gun is just silly.
The problem is what the kid DID with the gun. He could have just as easily took his dad's car and started moving down pedestrians. Oh crap! They could blame that on GTA as well
As a sidenote, I think it also important to realize that a gun is not a Pentium processor. It is early 1900's technology. I wish we, as a society, would just realize that the cat is out of the bag and accept it. The reality is that any seriously motivated individual with a few hundred dollars to blow is going to be able to get a gun no matter what laws you pass, or where you lay the blame.
Even if you were to magically destroy all the guns tonight, and make them illegal, criminals would still get their guns. It's frickin old technology. The incentive to produce them is there. It will happen.
I'm not saying we should go around handing out guns, but I wish people would be a little more realistic about our ability to restrict access to firearms from reasonably smart, motivated individuals.
I may eat these words later, but for a 115USD a 1-2gb player that is smaller than the current ipod? Flash memory is certainly not that cheap, and as for hard disks, even a used microdrive goes for more than that.
...obvious B.S.
Exactly. I 100% agree with you. This is just plain not going to happen for near $100.
I CHALLENGE ANY OF THESE RUMOR-SPOUTING IDIOTS TO FIND ME 1-2 GB OF STORAGE FOR LESS THAN $100.
This is like someone saying that Ford "announced" a new Taurus that gets 100 mpg and costs $5,000.
It's B.S.
If you understand the technology on the market right now, you can see through these claims almost instantly. Apple does not have Vorlon technology. McFly did not come back from the future and give them the plans. Scotty has not given them the formula for transparent aluminum.
The reason this rumor is doing so well is that people WANT to believe. To your average joe, it sounds plausible, and also like something they'd really like to have. It's like a short-term urban legend, maybe the one about the black ferrari and night vision goggle (check snopes), it's a cool idea, and we'd all like to have one, but it if you really think about it, it's silly to bevlieve.
Come on. Quit posting lame, trollish comments. Apple products are consistently the most elegant pieces of equipment on the market, asthetically (and often technically).
Riigghht. That Apple newton sitting is my basement works perfectly. I like clicking my hockey-puck mouse with my upper-palm too.
You're exactly the kind of "Apple can do no wrong" fanboy the grandparent post was talking about. Apple has made its share of mistakes.
The comment you responded to wasn't about Apple consistently making crappy products, it was about loopy Apple fans who believe that they can do no wrong.