I was just referring to the potential real inertia that someone in a remote location might have against Linux. Where I lived in Mexico, my address was, translated:
known domicile village of La Playa San Jose del Cabo, BCS 23400
So if someone sent me a letter, a mailman would show up and ask the guy at the store at the mouth of the village, and ask if he knew me. Generally, the mailman would leave letters (rare though they were) going to my house AT THE STORE. And international shipping is not necessarily very good between developing nations to begin with.
I'm not saying that you are without argument there at all. I'm saying it's not quite what you think, so have a closer look. And keep looking. Ubuntu quality and uptake are both improving fast enough that I find I have to revise my view of "how things compare" about every six months.
I use Ubuntu, my mom uses Ubuntu, I have 1 friend and 1 client who uses Ubuntu, and my brother uses Ubuntu. I'm aware of how things compare, and I am a big proponent of Linux, especially in remote areas where systems are harder to get serviced once they get the random porn banner spyware in them. However, GGP was stating that there was no argument for using pirated Windows when Linux existed, so I demonstrated a solid counterexample.
I don't disagree. I was refuting the statement that there's "no excuse" for running pirated Windows. Personally, when I tried to start using Linux and understanding it, I was on a fast dial-up connection in the US, and it was pretty goddamn excruciating.
The point about the Windows CDs is that they are floating around. People have them already. And though most systems have CD burners, I wouldn't place any big bets that they all do in a 3rd-world country. Obviously, the kid posting saying he's in a developing country has access to a computer and the Internet.
I still recommend Ubuntu. Especially if the $40 yearly you pay for a decent antivirus sounds like a lot. And especially if paying someone to fix your computer is not feasible. Broken Windows with no drivers and a 28.8k connection is far, far worse than broken Ubuntu, because of the LiveCD. However, the person has to get there first.
and if you aren't in the US it will probablly take a week or so whereas you can have the windows XP pro VLK CD and key the same day.
Yeah, don't ship anything important to Mexico. Customs requires them to open and examine every piece of electronics to make sure it is up to their standards. Which is laughable. And I don't mean any disrespect to Mexicans, I mean disrespect to government agencies. All the Mexicans I worked with thought it was pretty damn laughable, too.
It used to be if you shipped anything in a box, you had to wait a matter of months, and then some or all of the contents might be missing. Envelopes take a couple weeks.
But really, my ex's mom was a fanatical raw foodist, and her other daughter was born with a wee bit of brain damage. I imagine if she had taken the time to consume some meat, even if it was raw, she'd have been better off.
I also agree with your assertion that some things are better eaten cooked. In fact, if you eat raw foods, your body temps are lower, which makes it a bad choice for colder climates. Which is interesting in that lots of these raw foods people are white as snow, which in turn means they descended from dwellers of colder climates. So they haven't been eating much raw food for the past couple thousand years ANYWAY.
However, if I eat only cooked foods, I do notice a marked deterioration in how I feel. I don't completely discount the enzyme thing, but I'm not sure that is the explanation, either. There is a lot going on in the world that we don't understand. 9 out of every 10 cells in our body are microbes that are not necessarily "us." And when I sustained a spiritual practice, I could hear shifts in people's energies. Among other things. And that's pretty much completely discounted by mainstream science, too.
Maybe I'm crazy, but if my hallucinations line up with reality every single time, I don't see what the problem is.;-)
While I was not 'just a kid' in a developing country (being a white american), I grew up and worked in IT in a developing country, and here are the problems with your argument:
1. I can get a Windows XP VLK disc from a friend. I have to download Ubuntu's installer over 28.8k (on a good day) 2. Preparatory schools will require Windows and many Windows applications without exceptions 3. I can't think of any other ones, but having three bullets is the least I can have for the desired visual effect.
But really. I think Ubuntu is an excellent alternative for those who can pull it off, but you have to get a Windows computer with a CD burner, get it online, set up a download manager, download Ubuntu over the course of a few days, then install a new OS that you don't know, and access the support community from a slow-ass Internet connection. So I think 'I live in a developing country' is a quite reasonable excuse.
In Mexico, once Microsoft introduced product activation and it failed a couple times for me, causing hours and hours of extra labor, I started suggesting to people that they not pay a week's salary (these are not the super poor people, mind you) on some crappy software, and instead just pirate the crap. It's a more user-friendly experience if you pirate it. You can install MUIs if you pirate the corporate version. It's really a no-brainer. Plus, nobody's going to investigate a dry patch of dirt in Mexico for software piracy.
I think it's interesting to note that while we get submerged in a barrage of Windows trolls, that the hackers hack one or a few Linux boxes and use them to control the hundred or more Windows boxes they've hacked.
Still looks bad for Windows. Plus, here's betting they're servers, and not home computers behind a plain old linksys router. -Nathan
A lot of that penn and teller bullshit bullshit was total bullshit. I watched this one where they attacked raw foodists, and rather than measure someone using raw food to create a balanced diet for themselves, they took this guy who ate nothing but wheatgrass juice and stuff like that. Then they concluded that it's bullshit that raw food contains superior nutritional value than cooked food.
That's like this study I did where I masturbated non-stop for 3 weeks while I used a microwave's radiation to etch the silhouettes of erotic lead Rorschaches on the back of my skull, and sure enough, I went blind.
Why don't these companies BUNDLE the encrypted Blu-Ray discs with ANOTHER disc that ACTUALLY WORKS! but the customer has to SUPER SUPER PINKY SWEAR not to use that one unless the other one doesn't work? Then you could build ANOTHER chip into the drive that BLOWS UP the consumer's HOUSE unless he tries the ENCRYPTED disk FIRST!
That sounds like a great idea! Somebody patent it, quick, and let's make some money!:D
See, I thought it was funny that there were only like 5 episodes in season 11. I've been catching up using the edonkeys (I wonder how they get the donkeys in the tubes), because I didn't have a TV for 15 years. But now I'm at my mom's house. Ahhh... Sweet south parks. -Nathan
Fortunately, there are plenty of hills (and mountains) in Utah to run for. Our wives will be safe.
From what I gather from my friend who grew up Mormon, the main Mormon LDS church doesn't condone polygamy. If you keep more than one wife, you get excommunicated. Though he says that people sometimes get around it.
I think the bulk of the polygamists are in Colorado. But I could be wrong on this.
I think you have to be a salaried employee. If you get a benefits package and make half a million a year, it doesn't seem like such a bad deal to work an additional 10 to 20 hours a couple weeks out of the year. However, I know game developers don't make that. And they work insane hours. But who says game developers aren't insane?
But this is good news, definitely. FWIW, I get paid hourly, and I bill like crazy if someone needs something done and I need to reschedule a lot of work or work overnight because of it. But I'm also not paid for the times I'm doing nothing like some people are.
There are laws against what you are proposing to do... So... as much as it would please me, don't do it.
Is it the automatic looping that's illegal? Because you could take two separate sheets and manually alternate them as well. I figure it may be the harrassment charge, but you could just write really big so a simple message takes 75 pages. I think that would be pretty hard to prosecute. Plus, when I think of what a terrible criminal I am, having converted all 300 CDs my brother and I have purchased (mostly in the height of Napster's glory, fwiw) into OGG or MP3 and put them on a hard drive, I figure I'm already facing millions of dollars and 10 years in prison.
I've also made a backup of that hard drive. So double whatever figures you come up with. Oh, and I've made mix CDs for girls, so escalate that to piracy and distribution.
Plus, you could in theory send and resend the fax maybe 10 times if you didn't get a confirmation. Or, everyone on slashdot could send a one-page fax to that effect. A retro slashdotting would be noteworthy.
true, but tfposter is making a string of non-statements. He is essentially saying "all women have navels" in a conversation about women, pretending that it's relevant when all PEOPLE have navels. His statements imply a significant difference from the counterexamples, when really it's all pretty much the same, all things considered.
I don't know if they hooked up a fax machine because of the flood of calls, but please please, someone with a fax, send them something.
For extra points, tape several sheets together and write "We Will Not Purchase Music From Sony BMG Until You Change Your Position," feed it through the fax machine, tape the ends together so they receive never-ending protest message, take a picture of yourself doing it (not your face, of course), post it on imageshack.us, and share the joy with the rest of us.
While I agree that it's not heroic in a classic sense, I do think distributing computers with Linux is extremely valuable. It gets kids used to multiple operating environments, so they don't think a computer is one way and one way only. It gets people used to an environment that's all but virus-proof. It reduces the need for windows machines, which in the hands of the unskilled, probably end up zombied and either DDoS'ing site after site or spamming the shit out of us. It gives technically savvy poorer kids the hope and opportunity to grow up and make a few hundred thousand a year so they can support their parents in their old age.
I don't know why your genuine question got modded Troll, but whatever. That'll teach you to ask questions.
But really. I grew up at the tip of the Baja peninsula, and I now live in St Petersburg, FL. Darkness is good for your brain, man. It's difficult to describe the pain of not being able to be outside in the dark and see the stars. It's very abstract, and unless you've been out away from cities for a significant period of time--I think a month, at least--it's difficult to appreciate.
Same goes for noise pollution. And pollution pollution. When I came to the US, I spent a couple weeks in Riverside, CA. I went into Vernon, an industrial district of LA, with my friend Jon for one day. As we entered the city, I could feel the air entering my lungs, it was so thick. After 8 hours in Vernon, we left, went to dinner, and got to the place we were crashing. Some of the people in the group went out, but I didn't feel well, so I laid down. That night, I slipped into a hallucinatory high fever. Way way way better than TV. Anyway, the fever lasted a week in a half, and the rattling cough lasted 3 months.
Now, light pollution is less serious than that, but I'm sure it accounts for at least part of my depression living in St Pete. Which is why I'm moving.
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They could have run alpha and beta testing and discovered it the good old fashioned way. (pre-release)
known domicile
village of La Playa
San Jose del Cabo, BCS 23400
So if someone sent me a letter, a mailman would show up and ask the guy at the store at the mouth of the village, and ask if he knew me. Generally, the mailman would leave letters (rare though they were) going to my house AT THE STORE. And international shipping is not necessarily very good between developing nations to begin with.
I use Ubuntu, my mom uses Ubuntu, I have 1 friend and 1 client who uses Ubuntu, and my brother uses Ubuntu. I'm aware of how things compare, and I am a big proponent of Linux, especially in remote areas where systems are harder to get serviced once they get the random porn banner spyware in them. However, GGP was stating that there was no argument for using pirated Windows when Linux existed, so I demonstrated a solid counterexample.
I don't disagree. I was refuting the statement that there's "no excuse" for running pirated Windows. Personally, when I tried to start using Linux and understanding it, I was on a fast dial-up connection in the US, and it was pretty goddamn excruciating.
The point about the Windows CDs is that they are floating around. People have them already. And though most systems have CD burners, I wouldn't place any big bets that they all do in a 3rd-world country. Obviously, the kid posting saying he's in a developing country has access to a computer and the Internet.
I still recommend Ubuntu. Especially if the $40 yearly you pay for a decent antivirus sounds like a lot. And especially if paying someone to fix your computer is not feasible. Broken Windows with no drivers and a 28.8k connection is far, far worse than broken Ubuntu, because of the LiveCD. However, the person has to get there first.
I can't help thinking that those girls must be getting underpaid.
Yeah, don't ship anything important to Mexico. Customs requires them to open and examine every piece of electronics to make sure it is up to their standards. Which is laughable. And I don't mean any disrespect to Mexicans, I mean disrespect to government agencies. All the Mexicans I worked with thought it was pretty damn laughable, too.
It used to be if you shipped anything in a box, you had to wait a matter of months, and then some or all of the contents might be missing. Envelopes take a couple weeks.
Booooo! Booooo, biochemistry, boooo!
But really, my ex's mom was a fanatical raw foodist, and her other daughter was born with a wee bit of brain damage. I imagine if she had taken the time to consume some meat, even if it was raw, she'd have been better off.
I also agree with your assertion that some things are better eaten cooked. In fact, if you eat raw foods, your body temps are lower, which makes it a bad choice for colder climates. Which is interesting in that lots of these raw foods people are white as snow, which in turn means they descended from dwellers of colder climates. So they haven't been eating much raw food for the past couple thousand years ANYWAY.
However, if I eat only cooked foods, I do notice a marked deterioration in how I feel. I don't completely discount the enzyme thing, but I'm not sure that is the explanation, either. There is a lot going on in the world that we don't understand. 9 out of every 10 cells in our body are microbes that are not necessarily "us." And when I sustained a spiritual practice, I could hear shifts in people's energies. Among other things. And that's pretty much completely discounted by mainstream science, too.
Maybe I'm crazy, but if my hallucinations line up with reality every single time, I don't see what the problem is.
While I was not 'just a kid' in a developing country (being a white american), I grew up and worked in IT in a developing country, and here are the problems with your argument:
1. I can get a Windows XP VLK disc from a friend. I have to download Ubuntu's installer over 28.8k (on a good day)
2. Preparatory schools will require Windows and many Windows applications without exceptions
3. I can't think of any other ones, but having three bullets is the least I can have for the desired visual effect.
But really. I think Ubuntu is an excellent alternative for those who can pull it off, but you have to get a Windows computer with a CD burner, get it online, set up a download manager, download Ubuntu over the course of a few days, then install a new OS that you don't know, and access the support community from a slow-ass Internet connection. So I think 'I live in a developing country' is a quite reasonable excuse.
In Mexico, once Microsoft introduced product activation and it failed a couple times for me, causing hours and hours of extra labor, I started suggesting to people that they not pay a week's salary (these are not the super poor people, mind you) on some crappy software, and instead just pirate the crap. It's a more user-friendly experience if you pirate it. You can install MUIs if you pirate the corporate version. It's really a no-brainer. Plus, nobody's going to investigate a dry patch of dirt in Mexico for software piracy.
I think it's interesting to note that while we get submerged in a barrage of Windows trolls, that the hackers hack one or a few Linux boxes and use them to control the hundred or more Windows boxes they've hacked.
Still looks bad for Windows. Plus, here's betting they're servers, and not home computers behind a plain old linksys router.
-Nathan
A lot of that penn and teller bullshit bullshit was total bullshit. I watched this one where they attacked raw foodists, and rather than measure someone using raw food to create a balanced diet for themselves, they took this guy who ate nothing but wheatgrass juice and stuff like that. Then they concluded that it's bullshit that raw food contains superior nutritional value than cooked food.
That's like this study I did where I masturbated non-stop for 3 weeks while I used a microwave's radiation to etch the silhouettes of erotic lead Rorschaches on the back of my skull, and sure enough, I went blind.
Hahahaha! Fuck you, whales! Try to evolve your way out of global warming, now! Bwaaaaaahahaha!
(I would be more sensitive, but I'm pretty sure whales don't read slashdot)
Why don't these companies BUNDLE the encrypted Blu-Ray discs with ANOTHER disc that ACTUALLY WORKS! but the customer has to SUPER SUPER PINKY SWEAR not to use that one unless the other one doesn't work? Then you could build ANOTHER chip into the drive that BLOWS UP the consumer's HOUSE unless he tries the ENCRYPTED disk FIRST!
:D
That sounds like a great idea! Somebody patent it, quick, and let's make some money!
*tries disc*
*scree scree scree scree*
*waits*
*scratches head*
*tries backup disc*
*scree scree scree BOOM!*
Yes, but they're only stealing it once... :D
See, I thought it was funny that there were only like 5 episodes in season 11. I've been catching up using the edonkeys (I wonder how they get the donkeys in the tubes), because I didn't have a TV for 15 years. But now I'm at my mom's house. Ahhh... Sweet south parks.
-Nathan
I also agree with you in theory. The special caveat in this instance is that while complaints to the FCC are rising on the order of 100-fold, over 99% of them come from one ultra-conservative lobbying group
Lobbyist groups aren't a de facto evil. Just usually. And specifically in this case.
From what I gather from my friend who grew up Mormon, the main Mormon LDS church doesn't condone polygamy. If you keep more than one wife, you get excommunicated. Though he says that people sometimes get around it.
I think the bulk of the polygamists are in Colorado. But I could be wrong on this.
I think you have to be a salaried employee. If you get a benefits package and make half a million a year, it doesn't seem like such a bad deal to work an additional 10 to 20 hours a couple weeks out of the year. However, I know game developers don't make that. And they work insane hours. But who says game developers aren't insane?
But this is good news, definitely. FWIW, I get paid hourly, and I bill like crazy if someone needs something done and I need to reschedule a lot of work or work overnight because of it. But I'm also not paid for the times I'm doing nothing like some people are.
shut fuck the up, already!
Dude, South Park never makes fun of people based on their race, ethnicity, social status, or sexuality. Please, let's not sling mud.
Oh, and wooooooo, season premiere tonight!
Is it the automatic looping that's illegal? Because you could take two separate sheets and manually alternate them as well. I figure it may be the harrassment charge, but you could just write really big so a simple message takes 75 pages. I think that would be pretty hard to prosecute. Plus, when I think of what a terrible criminal I am, having converted all 300 CDs my brother and I have purchased (mostly in the height of Napster's glory, fwiw) into OGG or MP3 and put them on a hard drive, I figure I'm already facing millions of dollars and 10 years in prison.
I've also made a backup of that hard drive. So double whatever figures you come up with. Oh, and I've made mix CDs for girls, so escalate that to piracy and distribution.
Plus, you could in theory send and resend the fax maybe 10 times if you didn't get a confirmation. Or, everyone on slashdot could send a one-page fax to that effect. A retro slashdotting would be noteworthy.
true, but tfposter is making a string of non-statements. He is essentially saying "all women have navels" in a conversation about women, pretending that it's relevant when all PEOPLE have navels. His statements imply a significant difference from the counterexamples, when really it's all pretty much the same, all things considered.
That's what I meant.
Manifest Destiny.
Same explanation for the Iraq war, too.
Creepy.
I don't know if they hooked up a fax machine because of the flood of calls, but please please, someone with a fax, send them something.
For extra points, tape several sheets together and write "We Will Not Purchase Music From Sony BMG Until You Change Your Position," feed it through the fax machine, tape the ends together so they receive never-ending protest message, take a picture of yourself doing it (not your face, of course), post it on imageshack.us, and share the joy with the rest of us.
You can do it. I know you can.
While I agree that it's not heroic in a classic sense, I do think distributing computers with Linux is extremely valuable. It gets kids used to multiple operating environments, so they don't think a computer is one way and one way only. It gets people used to an environment that's all but virus-proof. It reduces the need for windows machines, which in the hands of the unskilled, probably end up zombied and either DDoS'ing site after site or spamming the shit out of us. It gives technically savvy poorer kids the hope and opportunity to grow up and make a few hundred thousand a year so they can support their parents in their old age.
I think it's pretty good.
I don't know why your genuine question got modded Troll, but whatever. That'll teach you to ask questions.
But really. I grew up at the tip of the Baja peninsula, and I now live in St Petersburg, FL. Darkness is good for your brain, man. It's difficult to describe the pain of not being able to be outside in the dark and see the stars. It's very abstract, and unless you've been out away from cities for a significant period of time--I think a month, at least--it's difficult to appreciate.
Same goes for noise pollution. And pollution pollution. When I came to the US, I spent a couple weeks in Riverside, CA. I went into Vernon, an industrial district of LA, with my friend Jon for one day. As we entered the city, I could feel the air entering my lungs, it was so thick. After 8 hours in Vernon, we left, went to dinner, and got to the place we were crashing. Some of the people in the group went out, but I didn't feel well, so I laid down. That night, I slipped into a hallucinatory high fever. Way way way better than TV. Anyway, the fever lasted a week in a half, and the rattling cough lasted 3 months.
Now, light pollution is less serious than that, but I'm sure it accounts for at least part of my depression living in St Pete. Which is why I'm moving.
We've been infiltrated by Muslim jihadists!