The crusades are often thought of in the west as something that Christians did to Muslims, but in the Fourth Crusade, Catholic Christians sacked the Orthodox Christian city of Constantinople, looted and destroyed churches, murdered priests and raped nuns. The crusades are as infamous to Middle Eastern Christians as they are to Muslims. This might be one reason why the White House apologized after Bush called his war a "crusade".
I never meant to imply a specific victim in the Crusades, just that they happened and were atrocious. I stand corrected on the rest of it, however.
How fucking funny is the 'leader of the free world' calling an arguably unprovoked invasion a crusade, though? hahahahahaha.
Thanks for the comment. It's nice to get a friendly one amidst the flaming.:-)
I was lucky enough to have parents that protected me from this sort of pressure, but I know lots of people who didn't. And they have some pretty interesting stories. And I just remembered the movie Jesus Camp, which would be a great movie for anyone who still thinks Christians are totally harmless.
I do however want to add that most Christians I know have their heart in the right place. A couple years ago, I was invited to a church that I turned out to think was a little kooky in terms of their rigid interpretations of the Bible. Nonetheless, I would get calls from my friend inviting me to help them give blankets and food to the homeless. So that ruined my fantasy that I was somehow better than them.:-)
Yes, because Judeo-Christians are all either ancestors or descendants of the Catholic Church. And what I mean is that when you speak only of the US, you're excluding the rest of the continent. Are you being difficult, or do you really not understand what I'm saying?
Most people aren't going to care much about the last two, and they'll understand that to some extent there are still living natives, so they WILL deny that Europeans/Americans "murdered the entire American continent".
Sorry, conquered and enslaved the entire American continent, raped the women, converted the people by sword to their imperialist religion, set up imperialist states, and then abandoned the people.
My bad. I love how Spaniards bitch that Latin America doesn't speak proper Spanish (el castellano!). Sucks to have your form of the language marginalized by your slave colonies, doesn't it? I guess y'all should've built some decent schools, huh?
"Christian leaders" don't have anything like a general "stance on evolution". Modern American Protestant Fundamentalist leaders of the political Right might, but that's a far different and narrower group than "Christian leaders".
I was just mirroring the phrase "Muslim leaders" used by the parent poster. I agree with you. I set it, you spike it. Alley Oop!
I was talking more about everything south of the US. Because there's more of it. And the Catholic church did it, not the people who got kicked out of England for being weirdos.
Muslims like to try to rewrite history to hide embarassing details
This isn't any different than the consolidation and edition of the works of the bible for internal consistency by the council of Nicea and others. I'm not advocating this, but let's not artificially narrow the scope of the conversation.
Question: Which pagan deity is Allah? Or else who was Abd'allah named for?
Counterquestion: Which pagan deity is Yahweh? Which pagan deity is Jesus? Which pagan deity, pray tell, is Mary?
Q: Why did the Catholic church accept the divinity of Mary in the middle of the 20th century? A: Catholicism wasn't taking hold in Latin America, where people were unwilling to give up their earth mother goddess.
Islam is a joke. The more educated Muslims you get, the more educated ex-Muslims you'll have as they wake up to the utter absurdity of this bullshit. That's why Muslim leaders hate education so much.
I think the same can be said for Christianity. I think the Christian leaders aren't too keen on proper education, given their stance on evolution. An educated person can take a symbolic work, interpret it in terms that apply to his or her life, and discard sections of the text that clearly only apply to specific environments (for example, a desert in 600BCE). Religion mostly serves as symbolic anchors for people on a spiritual path, giving you pictures of God creating mountains and such so you get what they're talking about until you're mature enough to appreciate more esoteric internal spiritual development. But that doesn't mean a spiritually developed person can't use symbolism that suits them.
Hell, that's why the Muslim religion has a standing death threat for converting away
In tribal, violent parts of the world. I've been to some Muslim events and gatherings here in the United States, and they seem generally more conscious, open-minded, and kind than their Christian counterparts. Of course, in the US they're an underclass, so being conscious behooves them greatly.
(amazingly enough, no mainstream church actually insists that its followers take the Bible literally, since they acknowledge that any possible divine revelations made within are colored by the point of view of the person doing the transcribing to paper and any subsequent translation from the original language).
Also, no mainstream Christian church exists in the harsh climate--both social and environmental--of the middle east. The old testamenteers were big on the Word, and it was only when the whole focal point of the religion moved to the happy land of Europe that things got a little softer.
Then the Catholic Church happened. Happens. Really, it's interesting to watch judeochristians begrudge the muslim world one good crusade. I mean, without ever owning up to the wholesale murder of the ENTIRE American continent, north and south. Not that people should be involved in a religious war. Even if the Lord calls to them, as he so clearly has done to our dear President.
and hopelessely brainwashed $cientologi$t$.
There. Fixed that for you. If I could've fit some more dollar signs in there, I would have.:)
And to GGP, I think Allah is almost the exact same pagan deity as Yahweh. Except his beard is black.
The hotfix is for an operating system which is 7 years old! I understand that point. $4000 seems a little steep. And you can bet they didn't offer to send a link on how to do it for free to their customers.
Unlike Debian, whose stable release in 2000 (Debian 2.2 or "potato", released 8 months after Windows 2k) receives no updates, security or otherwise, nor does the release after it (Debian 3.0 "woody") Google apt-get dist-upgrade debian. Having a clear upgrade path is quite possibly the same thing as having a clear upgrade path. Oh wait, it IS the same thing. Or you can fix it yourself readily. I've messed with time zone data, and it's not hard.
(try even finding guidance for manually DST tables on systems 7+ years old for Debian). The clear upgrade path is available for people who installed Debian 7 years ago, so people actually have options in this case. If you perform dist-upgrades, you can have a current system.
But, the government paying private contractors often does constitute nepotism and cronyism. Not inherently, but this is not a direct analogy to my statement in that my statement is A!=B, and your statement is A does not imply B. I think nepotism is evident in the GHWB-GWB-Jeb collaboration. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt it. Cronyism is evident in who they awarded contracts to.
By the way privatization is not usually about making things more efficient, but transferring the waste to a private interest as opposed to a government interest. I'm not saying that privatization is a silver bullet. I was just stating an obvious fact that often gets glossed over in the interest of making a point. People argue against privatization with examples of the government paying people to do their work for them, which is not what privatization is.
That's a good point. However, as many other more educated/.ers stated, the volatile repo is the place where the patch is supposed to go. As such, changing their policy may be a good idea, but until then, putting it where one could expect to find it makes tons of sense. Say what you will about Debian politics. It's sort of a moot point, IMO.
I use Ubuntu, same as you. It's more suited to what I do.
Don't start a dissertation with a conjunction. Use more than one sentence per paragraph. 't' is not a word. I think you mean 'proof,' not 'evidence.' I think that moderation has something to do with post content, and while not the end-all, it provides some evidence for the cogency of your statements. Slashdot is hardly print, and it's hardly forever. Insults without any additional content just make the insulter look stupid.
But how many people still have a player. When was the last time you saw one for sale at an electronics store?
If you're a hipster or a punk (a real punk, not an MTVunk), you probably have at least seriously considered purchasing a turntable. I know tons of people who own vinyl. And tons of places that sell it.
I understand the reasoning behind putting it in volatile, but why not enable volatile by default during installation?
Debian is considered the stable distribution. They move glacially slow, and are, if you use their stable repo, stable as hell. If you want bleeding edge by default, install their bleeding edge version.
Otherwise, if you want Debian, install Debian.
Oh, and in response to the even-Microsoft-would-not-be-so-foolish comment: Of course not. They demonstrated their level-headed thinking when they charged $4000 for a time zone update for Windows 2000. A server OS. When you can do it for free if you know how. Debian should charge NZers $4000 Canadian (OUCH!), then they would be respected.
Its amusing to hear people spout this line and then hear them decry America's inaction in Dafur. Which is it people? Do we meddle or not? Because at the moment we're going to be lambasted no matter what we do.
Well, I'll bet that oftentimes it's different people saying the two different things. And in cases where it's the SAME person, we have inaction in Rwanda during a genocide, inaction in Congo during a Genocide, and action in Iraq so that there would be an easy cover for laundering money.
Does anyone have any real number on what percentage of the cost of the war is contracts with private companies? Because we saved lots of money on body armor, armored vehicles, and training for the troops. We can certainly expect to see the same frugality in the area of private contracts, I'm sure.
The government paying private contractors does not constitute privatization.
Why do you get to determine who deserves sex, oh high and mighty master?
If you feel the need to bestow power, I'll accept. That wasn't my point.
It seems to me that maybe you should let other people figure out who they want to have sex with, and who they want to hire.
Right, I'm saying that someone who is not adept enough to navigate the social sphere in such a way as to achieve coitus is not by manifest destiny entitled to coitus regardless. Same goes for the job.
And just for the record, I don't think anyone is entitled to either sex or a job, but they should be allowed to freely (and fairly) compete for them.
If you had just stated everything you stated without trying to be contrarian, it would be called "agreeing with me"
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I meant Mary the virgin. But either way, I was just making a point.
I never meant to imply a specific victim in the Crusades, just that they happened and were atrocious. I stand corrected on the rest of it, however.
How fucking funny is the 'leader of the free world' calling an arguably unprovoked invasion a crusade, though? hahahahahaha.
Thanks for the comment. It's nice to get a friendly one amidst the flaming. :-)
:-)
I was lucky enough to have parents that protected me from this sort of pressure, but I know lots of people who didn't. And they have some pretty interesting stories. And I just remembered the movie Jesus Camp, which would be a great movie for anyone who still thinks Christians are totally harmless.
I do however want to add that most Christians I know have their heart in the right place. A couple years ago, I was invited to a church that I turned out to think was a little kooky in terms of their rigid interpretations of the Bible. Nonetheless, I would get calls from my friend inviting me to help them give blankets and food to the homeless. So that ruined my fantasy that I was somehow better than them.
*whoooooooooooosh*?
Yes, because Judeo-Christians are all either ancestors or descendants of the Catholic Church. And what I mean is that when you speak only of the US, you're excluding the rest of the continent. Are you being difficult, or do you really not understand what I'm saying?
Sorry, conquered and enslaved the entire American continent, raped the women, converted the people by sword to their imperialist religion, set up imperialist states, and then abandoned the people.
My bad. I love how Spaniards bitch that Latin America doesn't speak proper Spanish (el castellano!). Sucks to have your form of the language marginalized by your slave colonies, doesn't it? I guess y'all should've built some decent schools, huh?
I was just mirroring the phrase "Muslim leaders" used by the parent poster. I agree with you. I set it, you spike it. Alley Oop!
I was talking more about everything south of the US. Because there's more of it. And the Catholic church did it, not the people who got kicked out of England for being weirdos.
Nothing wrong with being a weirdo, of course.
Oh. Well, then. I suppose should have thought of that.
Good old Nostradamus/He knew the whole damn time/There'd always be an east from west/and someone in them fighting
from the gospel according to isaac
You think Muslim violence does more damage to Christians than Muslims? Whose stash have you been smoking?
I'll say!
That sounds like the problem with the electrical jack on the G4 iBooks. Not everybody had it.
Cheers.
This isn't any different than the consolidation and edition of the works of the bible for internal consistency by the council of Nicea and others. I'm not advocating this, but let's not artificially narrow the scope of the conversation.
Counterquestion: Which pagan deity is Yahweh? Which pagan deity is Jesus? Which pagan deity, pray tell, is Mary?
Q: Why did the Catholic church accept the divinity of Mary in the middle of the 20th century?
A: Catholicism wasn't taking hold in Latin America, where people were unwilling to give up their earth mother goddess.
I think the same can be said for Christianity. I think the Christian leaders aren't too keen on proper education, given their stance on evolution. An educated person can take a symbolic work, interpret it in terms that apply to his or her life, and discard sections of the text that clearly only apply to specific environments (for example, a desert in 600BCE). Religion mostly serves as symbolic anchors for people on a spiritual path, giving you pictures of God creating mountains and such so you get what they're talking about until you're mature enough to appreciate more esoteric internal spiritual development. But that doesn't mean a spiritually developed person can't use symbolism that suits them.
In tribal, violent parts of the world. I've been to some Muslim events and gatherings here in the United States, and they seem generally more conscious, open-minded, and kind than their Christian counterparts. Of course, in the US they're an underclass, so being conscious behooves them greatly.
Also, no mainstream Christian church exists in the harsh climate--both social and environmental--of the middle east. The old testamenteers were big on the Word, and it was only when the whole focal point of the religion moved to the happy land of Europe that things got a little softer.
Then the Catholic Church happened. Happens. Really, it's interesting to watch judeochristians begrudge the muslim world one good crusade. I mean, without ever owning up to the wholesale murder of the ENTIRE American continent, north and south. Not that people should be involved in a religious war. Even if the Lord calls to them, as he so clearly has done to our dear President.
There. Fixed that for you. If I could've fit some more dollar signs in there, I would have.
And to GGP, I think Allah is almost the exact same pagan deity as Yahweh. Except his beard is black.
Because nothing gets a minor to drop his drawers faster than trashing AT&T.(TM)
The hotfix is for an operating system which is 7 years old!
I understand that point. $4000 seems a little steep. And you can bet they didn't offer to send a link on how to do it for free to their customers.
Unlike Debian, whose stable release in 2000 (Debian 2.2 or "potato", released 8 months after Windows 2k) receives no updates, security or otherwise, nor does the release after it (Debian 3.0 "woody")
Google apt-get dist-upgrade debian. Having a clear upgrade path is quite possibly the same thing as having a clear upgrade path. Oh wait, it IS the same thing. Or you can fix it yourself readily. I've messed with time zone data, and it's not hard.
(try even finding guidance for manually DST tables on systems 7+ years old for Debian).
The clear upgrade path is available for people who installed Debian 7 years ago, so people actually have options in this case. If you perform dist-upgrades, you can have a current system.
But, the government paying private contractors often does constitute nepotism and cronyism.
Not inherently, but this is not a direct analogy to my statement in that my statement is A!=B, and your statement is A does not imply B. I think nepotism is evident in the GHWB-GWB-Jeb collaboration. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt it. Cronyism is evident in who they awarded contracts to.
By the way privatization is not usually about making things more efficient, but transferring the waste to a private interest as opposed to a government interest.
I'm not saying that privatization is a silver bullet. I was just stating an obvious fact that often gets glossed over in the interest of making a point. People argue against privatization with examples of the government paying people to do their work for them, which is not what privatization is.
That's a good point. However, as many other more educated /.ers stated, the volatile repo is the place where the patch is supposed to go. As such, changing their policy may be a good idea, but until then, putting it where one could expect to find it makes tons of sense. Say what you will about Debian politics. It's sort of a moot point, IMO.
I use Ubuntu, same as you. It's more suited to what I do.
Don't start a dissertation with a conjunction. Use more than one sentence per paragraph. 't' is not a word. I think you mean 'proof,' not 'evidence.' I think that moderation has something to do with post content, and while not the end-all, it provides some evidence for the cogency of your statements. Slashdot is hardly print, and it's hardly forever. Insults without any additional content just make the insulter look stupid.
So if I manage to get a picture of you with a penis in your mouth, you'll fight for my right to publish it online in Canada? Good man!
If you're a hipster or a punk (a real punk, not an MTVunk), you probably have at least seriously considered purchasing a turntable. I know tons of people who own vinyl. And tons of places that sell it.
Debian is considered the stable distribution. They move glacially slow, and are, if you use their stable repo, stable as hell. If you want bleeding edge by default, install their bleeding edge version.
Otherwise, if you want Debian, install Debian.
Oh, and in response to the even-Microsoft-would-not-be-so-foolish comment: Of course not. They demonstrated their level-headed thinking when they charged $4000 for a time zone update for Windows 2000. A server OS. When you can do it for free if you know how. Debian should charge NZers $4000 Canadian (OUCH!), then they would be respected.
Well, I'll bet that oftentimes it's different people saying the two different things. And in cases where it's the SAME person, we have inaction in Rwanda during a genocide, inaction in Congo during a Genocide, and action in Iraq so that there would be an easy cover for laundering money.
Does anyone have any real number on what percentage of the cost of the war is contracts with private companies? Because we saved lots of money on body armor, armored vehicles, and training for the troops. We can certainly expect to see the same frugality in the area of private contracts, I'm sure.
The government paying private contractors does not constitute privatization.
If you feel the need to bestow power, I'll accept. That wasn't my point.
Right, I'm saying that someone who is not adept enough to navigate the social sphere in such a way as to achieve coitus is not by manifest destiny entitled to coitus regardless. Same goes for the job.
If you had just stated everything you stated without trying to be contrarian, it would be called "agreeing with me"
Yeah, yeah. I need an editor. :-)