Firefox is unstable when many windows and tabs are open, even when using NoScript, Adblock, and Ghostery, as mentioned above.
Many crashes do not start the Crash Reporter.
See for yourself. Go to this URL:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/home/products/Firefox/versions/27.0#duration=14
(Mozilla does not allow links from Slashdot.)
Those are NOT ALL the crashes! Those are just the crashes that don't also crash the Crash Reporter.
The earlier version, 26.0 is crashy, also:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/home/products/Firefox/versions/26.0
Firefox is the most unstable program in common use when many windows and tabs are open. The latest version is far more unstable and crashy that earlier versions.
Firefox gets more than $100 million from Google each year. Where does the money go? Do you see that amount of development each year?
The Mozilla Foundation stopped doing more than minimal work on Thunderbird.
The Firefox instability was first reported before version 1 was released.
Mistake in understanding. They criticize GOOGLE.
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Goodbye, Google Voice
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· Score: 1
I have a huge number of tabs open now of discussions of Google Voice. People with technology backgrounds are saying negative things about Google and Google management.
Sure, most of that will be read only by technologically-oriented people. But a perception of bad management makes it more difficult for Google to hire competent people. (It will always be easy to hire people who are not competent with technology.)
And it's not just this one issue. There are many other issues of Google management receiving the same criticism: People are saying Google is sloppily managed. That is degrading the public perception of Google. Degraded public perception makes ALL management of the company more difficult.
Google's handling of Google Voice is getting an enormous amount of bad public relations. Google often makes changes without adequate explanation. See, for example, this information from Google: An update on Google Voice.
Obviously, no one considered the effect on Google's reputation of the fact that Google employee Nikhyl Singhal communicates in an inadequate fashion. For example: "Ward Mundy, Nov 1, 2013: +Nikhyl Singhal Your suggestion that developers have violated Google's terms of service and posed a security risk is disingenuous to put it charitably."
To me, the underlying story is that Google is no longer as well managed as it has been in the past. Projects aren't finished; maybe those working on them got bored and decided not to be adult.
I've thought about and studied the phenomenon of companies slowly degrading for decades. Hewlett-Packard was already going downhill in the 1970s; the company was making data acquisition hardware that had an obviously unfinished design.
Fairchild Semiconductor was, at one time, the best manufacturer of transistors. The company began selling power transistors with epoxy casing. The epoxy degraded the transistors. It seemed that Fairchild never recovered.
Tektronix was a great company at one time; everybody in the tech world was impressed with Tektronix oscilloscopes. I suppose the good managers decided to move to other efforts. One problem was that Tektronix was not prepared for lower-cost competitors.
More recently, Adobe seems to me to be on a long downhill slide; the PDF file formats were a gift to the world. Now Adobe seems to me to be becoming more and more aggressive toward its customers.
Jamie Dimon of Chase Bank seems to me to be becoming tired of being CEO and making huge management mistakes for which there have been multi-billion dollar fines.
Not a relevant objection. See the comment above.
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Krita 2.8 Released
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· Score: 1
Not relevant to this case. See the comment above.
The problem of conflict of interest occurs when there is only one supplier of the software in question.
Krita is is both a community project development by volunteers and a commercial project supported by KO GmbH. The Krita Foundation supports the non-commercial development of Krita. Commercial support is offered by KO GmbH.
My experience has been that software that is both supported by volunteers and commercially supported suffers from conflict of interest. Limitations can be arranged that push people toward paying.
Krita is used for "digital painting".
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Krita 2.8 Released
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· Score: 4, Informative
From the top of the Krita documentation page: "The first thing to remember is that Krita is a 2D paint application. Photoshop, for example, is an image manipulation program. Krita has tools that are relevant to digital painting -- concept art, creation of comics and textures for rendering." [Edited for clarity.]
"group immunity remains a major factor in the effectiveness of vaccination." [edited for clarity]
Thanks for saying that. I didn't see anyone else making that point.
The ability of a disease to spread depends on the availability of hosts. Vaccinated people aren't hosts. If a large percentage of people have immunity, someone who is not immune is unlikely to get a disease. But vaccination depends on a large percentage being vaccinated, so everyone who isn't vaccinated is weakening group immunity.
"Our products are the best in aiding the blind" isn't about Apple products?
What is important is not what Tim Cook says. What is important is the result of what he says. Will talking about severely limited people cause customers to pay $550 for another (unlocked) iPhone, or pay a hidden increase of $550 for a new cell phone contract that includes a new iPhone? Will creating a distracting controversy cause customers to pay another $550? No.
We are witnessing the collapse of Apple. I once paid $1,500 for a laptop PC. Now far better laptops cost $500. Eventually people will decide that the smart phone they already have is enough.
Tim Cook is merely distracting people from thinking about the value a new iPhone has on the quality of their lives. The distractions do nothing about the collapse.
In my opinion, that misses the point. Instead of selling the best qualities of Apple, Apple CEO Tim Cook made himself the object of controversy. That shows that he is not competent and should be demoted immediately. It also shows, in my opinion, that Apple is on the way down much faster than I would have guessed.
Former Apple CEO Steve Jobs drew attention to himself, but did it in a way that also drew attention to Apple products.
In my opinion, Steve Jobs was socially manipulative and self-destructive, but he had positive qualities, also. Tim Cook is merely self-destructive.
It amazes me! Every time there is a discussion of the instability of Firefox, someone posts an irrelevant comment. I imagine that everyone who does extensive research, and therefore opens many windows and tabs, is willing to buy plenty of memory. Whether it is for Chrome or Firefox makes no difference.
It's the instability of Firefox that is the problem. Firefox becomes unstable and makes the Windows 7 operating system unstable.
Again, avoid irrelevant comments. Yes, the Windows 7 OS has huge flaws. I've never seen Firefox make Linux unstable; I haven't done a huge amount of testing. An Apple computer typically costs 3 to 5 times as much. Linux costs nothing. However, there is software available for Windows that is not available for other operating systems.
The Firefox Memory and CPU Hogging bugs are NOT fixed in Firefox version 26.0. I had 2 crashes last week. One of them did not trigger a crash report. My system is very stable in all other conditions. (Windows 7 Ultimate)
Firefox is the most unstable software in common use.
The problems occur when using many windows and tabs and sleeping and hibernating the OS.
PLEASE don't bore everyone by saying you don't have the problem, but not listing your usage patterns, OS, and extensions.
Thanks, UnknownSoldier, for this: "I just want FF's memory leak to be fixed instead of the devs ignoring it version after version, year after year."
I first reported that problem about 10 years ago.
Mozilla Foundation
Top 20 Excuses
for Not Fixing the
Firefox Memory and CPU Hogging bugs
These are actual excuses given at one time or
another. They are not all the excuses, just the top 20.
1) Maybe this bug is fixed in the nightly build. [The same memory and CPU
hogging bug has been reported many, many times over a period of TEN
years.]
2) Yes, this bug exists, but other things are more important. [The bug
eventually causes Firefox to take 100% of the power of one CPU, and makes Windows 7 unusable, even after
Firefox is killed. The bug affects the heaviest users of Firefox, those who do a lot of research online.]
3) Yes, this bug exists, but it is not a common occurrence. [Numerous users
have reported the bug. See the links.]
4) Works for me. [The bug is complicated to reproduce, so the developers did
a simplified test, which didn't show the bug.]
5) No one has posted a TalkBack report. [If they had read the bug report,
they would know that there is often no TalkBack report, because the bug crashes
TalkBack, too, or a TalkBack report is not generated. TalkBack does not
generate a report if Firefox is hogging the CPU. TalkBack cannot generate a
report if the bug takes 100% of the CPU time.]
6) If you would just give us more information, we would fix this bug. [They
didn't bother to reproduce the bug using the detailed information
provided.]
7) This bug report is a composite of other bugs, so this bug report is
invalid. [The other bugs aren't specified.]
8) You are using Firefox in a way that would crash any software. [But the
same use does not crash any version of Chrome or Opera.]
9) I don't like the way you worded your bug report. [So, he didn't read it or
think about it.]
10) You should run a debugger and find what causes this problem yourself.
[Then when you have done most of the work, tell us what causes the problem,
and we may fix it.]
11) Many bugs that are filed aren't important to 99.99% of the users.
12) If you are saying bad things about Mozilla and Firefox, you must be
trolling. [They say this even though Firefox and Mozilla instability is
beginning to be reported in media such as Information Week. See the links to
magazine articles in this Slashdot comment: Firefox is the most unstable program in common
use.]
13) Your problem is probably caused by using extensions. [These are extensions
advertised on the Firefox and Mozilla web site, and recommended.]
14) Your problem is probably caused by a corrupt profile. [The same bug has
been reported many times over a period of five years. One of the reports
discusses an extensive test in both Linux and Windows that used a completely
clean installation of the operating systems, not just a clean profile. The CPU
hogging bug and instability was just as severe.]
15) If you are technically knowledgeable, you can spend several hours (or
days) trying to discover the problem: Standard diagnostic - Firefox.
[Firefox has "Standard Diagnostics". It has become accepted that some users
will have severe problems. !!! ]
16) I won't actually read the (many) bug reports, but I will give you some
complicated technical speculation. [This pretends to be helpful but, on
investigation, is shown to have nothing to do with the bugs.]
17) It's understandable that Firefox developers become defensive when users
report so many problems. [Translation: Firefox management is childlike, not adult.]
18) To spend smart developers' time going over reports of bugs generated by
analysis tools would be a
Also, the President is not allowed to know everything about what the secret agencies do. There have been many examples of that.
The U.S. government has
engaged in violence each year for more than 100
years, to make a profit for a few. Anyone desiring
more information about that can, for example,
read these highly rated books:
Please don't avoid the overall issue. There are people who control the U.S. government who make huge amounts of easy money by encouraging and causing and engaging in violence.
The
U.S. government has engaged in violence each year for more than 100
years, to make a profit for a few. Anyone desiring more information
about that can, for example, read these highly rated
books:
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Firefox is unstable when many windows and tabs are open, even when using NoScript, Adblock, and Ghostery, as mentioned above.
Many crashes do not start the Crash Reporter.
See for yourself. Go to this URL:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/home/products/Firefox/versions/27.0#duration=14
(Mozilla does not allow links from Slashdot.)
Those are NOT ALL the crashes! Those are just the crashes that don't also crash the Crash Reporter.
The earlier version, 26.0 is crashy, also:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/home/products/Firefox/versions/26.0
Firefox is the most unstable program in common use when many windows and tabs are open. The latest version is far more unstable and crashy that earlier versions.
Firefox gets more than $100 million from Google each year. Where does the money go? Do you see that amount of development each year?
The Mozilla Foundation stopped doing more than minimal work on Thunderbird.
The Firefox instability was first reported before version 1 was released.
I have a huge number of tabs open now of discussions of Google Voice. People with technology backgrounds are saying negative things about Google and Google management.
Sure, most of that will be read only by technologically-oriented people. But a perception of bad management makes it more difficult for Google to hire competent people. (It will always be easy to hire people who are not competent with technology.)
And it's not just this one issue. There are many other issues of Google management receiving the same criticism: People are saying Google is sloppily managed. That is degrading the public perception of Google. Degraded public perception makes ALL management of the company more difficult.
Google's handling of Google Voice is getting an enormous amount of bad public relations. Google often makes changes without adequate explanation. See, for example, this information from Google: An update on Google Voice.
Obviously, no one considered the effect on Google's reputation of the fact that Google employee Nikhyl Singhal communicates in an inadequate fashion. For example: "Ward Mundy, Nov 1, 2013: +Nikhyl Singhal Your suggestion that developers have violated Google's terms of service and posed a security risk is disingenuous to put it charitably."
To me, the underlying story is that Google is no longer as well managed as it has been in the past. Projects aren't finished; maybe those working on them got bored and decided not to be adult.
I've thought about and studied the phenomenon of companies slowly degrading for decades. Hewlett-Packard was already going downhill in the 1970s; the company was making data acquisition hardware that had an obviously unfinished design.
Fairchild Semiconductor was, at one time, the best manufacturer of transistors. The company began selling power transistors with epoxy casing. The epoxy degraded the transistors. It seemed that Fairchild never recovered.
Tektronix was a great company at one time; everybody in the tech world was impressed with Tektronix oscilloscopes. I suppose the good managers decided to move to other efforts. One problem was that Tektronix was not prepared for lower-cost competitors.
More recently, Adobe seems to me to be on a long downhill slide; the PDF file formats were a gift to the world. Now Adobe seems to me to be becoming more and more aggressive toward its customers.
Jamie Dimon of Chase Bank seems to me to be becoming tired of being CEO and making huge management mistakes for which there have been multi-billion dollar fines.
Not relevant to this case. See the comment above.
The problem of conflict of interest occurs when there is only one supplier of the software in question.
Not relevant to this case. The problem of conflict of interest occurs when there is only one supplier of the software in question.
My experience has been that software that is both supported by volunteers and commercially supported suffers from conflict of interest. Limitations can be arranged that push people toward paying.
From the top of the Krita documentation page: "The first thing to remember is that Krita is a 2D paint application. Photoshop, for example, is an image manipulation program. Krita has tools that are relevant to digital painting -- concept art, creation of comics and textures for rendering." [Edited for clarity.]
"group immunity remains a major factor in the effectiveness of vaccination." [edited for clarity]
Thanks for saying that. I didn't see anyone else making that point.
The ability of a disease to spread depends on the availability of hosts. Vaccinated people aren't hosts. If a large percentage of people have immunity, someone who is not immune is unlikely to get a disease. But vaccination depends on a large percentage being vaccinated, so everyone who isn't vaccinated is weakening group immunity.
"What remains to be seen is if he's got the ability to establish and promote a vision at the same level that Jobs did."
Yes, remains to be seen. However, we are already seeing indications that Tim Cook does NOT have the ability.
"Our products are the best in aiding the blind" isn't about Apple products?
What is important is not what Tim Cook says. What is important is the result of what he says. Will talking about severely limited people cause customers to pay $550 for another (unlocked) iPhone, or pay a hidden increase of $550 for a new cell phone contract that includes a new iPhone? Will creating a distracting controversy cause customers to pay another $550? No.
We are witnessing the collapse of Apple. I once paid $1,500 for a laptop PC. Now far better laptops cost $500. Eventually people will decide that the smart phone they already have is enough.
Tim Cook is merely distracting people from thinking about the value a new iPhone has on the quality of their lives. The distractions do nothing about the collapse.
The comment below tells more of what is likely to be the underlying motivation.
Basically, Tim Cook is wanting to feel superior.
In my opinion, that misses the point. Instead of selling the best qualities of Apple, Apple CEO Tim Cook made himself the object of controversy. That shows that he is not competent and should be demoted immediately. It also shows, in my opinion, that Apple is on the way down much faster than I would have guessed.
Former Apple CEO Steve Jobs drew attention to himself, but did it in a way that also drew attention to Apple products.
In my opinion, Steve Jobs was socially manipulative and self-destructive, but he had positive qualities, also. Tim Cook is merely self-destructive.
Sadly, Google is on the way down. It was wonderful while the company believed in "Do no foolishness."
Lots of companies have bad names. Yes. That's what I said.
Technically knowledgeable people often give very poor names to their efforts.
Latest version of Firefox: 27.0. Crashes: Over 7 days, currently 5 crashes per 100 "active daily installs".
See for yourself. Go to this URL:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/home/products/Firefox/versions/27.0
(Mozilla does not allow links from Slashdot.)
Those are NOT ALL the crashes! Those are just the crashes that don't also crash the Crash Reporter.
Earlier version, 26.0 is crashy, also:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/home/products/Firefox/versions/26.0
It amazes me! Every time there is a discussion of the instability of Firefox, someone posts an irrelevant comment. I imagine that everyone who does extensive research, and therefore opens many windows and tabs, is willing to buy plenty of memory. Whether it is for Chrome or Firefox makes no difference.
It's the instability of Firefox that is the problem. Firefox becomes unstable and makes the Windows 7 operating system unstable.
Again, avoid irrelevant comments. Yes, the Windows 7 OS has huge flaws. I've never seen Firefox make Linux unstable; I haven't done a huge amount of testing. An Apple computer typically costs 3 to 5 times as much. Linux costs nothing. However, there is software available for Windows that is not available for other operating systems.
The Firefox Memory and CPU Hogging bugs are NOT fixed in Firefox version 26.0. I had 2 crashes last week. One of them did not trigger a crash report. My system is very stable in all other conditions. (Windows 7 Ultimate)
Firefox is the most unstable software in common use.
The problems occur when using many windows and tabs and sleeping and hibernating the OS.
PLEASE don't bore everyone by saying you don't have the problem, but not listing your usage patterns, OS, and extensions.
Thanks, UnknownSoldier, for this: "I just want FF's memory leak to be fixed instead of the devs ignoring it version after version, year after year."
I first reported that problem about 10 years ago.
Mozilla Foundation
Top 20 Excuses
for Not Fixing the
Firefox Memory and CPU Hogging bugs
These are actual excuses given at one time or another. They are not all the excuses, just the top 20.
1) Maybe this bug is fixed in the nightly build. [The same memory and CPU hogging bug has been reported many, many times over a period of TEN years.]
2) Yes, this bug exists, but other things are more important. [The bug eventually causes Firefox to take 100% of the power of one CPU, and makes Windows 7 unusable, even after Firefox is killed. The bug affects the heaviest users of Firefox, those who do a lot of research online.]
3) Yes, this bug exists, but it is not a common occurrence. [Numerous users have reported the bug. See the links.]
4) Works for me. [The bug is complicated to reproduce, so the developers did a simplified test, which didn't show the bug.]
5) No one has posted a TalkBack report. [If they had read the bug report, they would know that there is often no TalkBack report, because the bug crashes TalkBack, too, or a TalkBack report is not generated. TalkBack does not generate a report if Firefox is hogging the CPU. TalkBack cannot generate a report if the bug takes 100% of the CPU time.]
6) If you would just give us more information, we would fix this bug. [They didn't bother to reproduce the bug using the detailed information provided.]
7) This bug report is a composite of other bugs, so this bug report is invalid. [The other bugs aren't specified.]
8) You are using Firefox in a way that would crash any software. [But the same use does not crash any version of Chrome or Opera.]
9) I don't like the way you worded your bug report. [So, he didn't read it or think about it.]
10) You should run a debugger and find what causes this problem yourself. [Then when you have done most of the work, tell us what causes the problem, and we may fix it.]
11) Many bugs that are filed aren't important to 99.99% of the users.
12) If you are saying bad things about Mozilla and Firefox, you must be trolling. [They say this even though Firefox and Mozilla instability is beginning to be reported in media such as Information Week. See the links to magazine articles in this Slashdot comment: Firefox is the most unstable program in common use.]
13) Your problem is probably caused by using extensions. [These are extensions advertised on the Firefox and Mozilla web site, and recommended.]
14) Your problem is probably caused by a corrupt profile. [The same bug has been reported many times over a period of five years. One of the reports discusses an extensive test in both Linux and Windows that used a completely clean installation of the operating systems, not just a clean profile. The CPU hogging bug and instability was just as severe.]
15) If you are technically knowledgeable, you can spend several hours (or days) trying to discover the problem: Standard diagnostic - Firefox. [Firefox has "Standard Diagnostics". It has become accepted that some users will have severe problems. !!! ]
16) I won't actually read the (many) bug reports, but I will give you some complicated technical speculation. [This pretends to be helpful but, on investigation, is shown to have nothing to do with the bugs.]
17) It's understandable that Firefox developers become defensive when users report so many problems. [Translation: Firefox management is childlike, not adult.]
18) To spend smart developers' time going over reports of bugs generated by analysis tools would be a
Because of books written by historians, and book written by former presidents.
"Dont be naive."
You missed something. There is "plausible deniability". Then there are numerous issues that the president is never told.
The US Has 761 Military Bases throughout the world.
The Worldwide Network of US Military Bases
Also, the President is not allowed to know everything about what the secret agencies do. There have been many examples of that.
The U.S. government has engaged in violence each year for more than 100 years, to make a profit for a few. Anyone desiring more information about that can, for example, read these highly rated books:
Overthrow: America's century of regime change from Hawaii to Iraq by Stephen Kinzer
The brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and their secret world war by Stephen Kinzer
Please don't avoid the overall issue. There are people who control the U.S. government who make huge amounts of easy money by encouraging and causing and engaging in violence.
The U.S. government has engaged in violence each year for more than 100 years, to make a profit for a few. Anyone desiring more information about that can, for example, read these highly rated books:
Overthrow: America's century of regime change from Hawaii to Iraq
by Stephen Kinzer
The brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and their secret world war
by Stephen Kinzer