And India IS nuclear and has a fairly stable government.
You see - India has FAIRLY stable government. Could they have much worse government in 5 years and in pissing contest drop some nuclear bombs on Pakistan? It could happen. Not very probably though...
Thing is, there's no way USA can match indian prices, and indian software engineers are usually quite decent, so USA is going to lose more and more IT jobs.
Well, you know about indian software engineers here, in US, right? Those decent engineeres have decent salaries;)
There, in India, many more mediocre engineers.. Top of the crop are going abroad.
The problem is, a society that ran strictly on OSS/FS (especially carying that to other industries) wont be capitalist, it would have to be some type of socialism or communism.
Common, there were no software 50 years ago - what kind of society was that? It doesn't matter how work one part of industry - whole economics is important. I can imagine country where is no religion and there is a soul-saving business. They could point to US churches and declare US a socialist country;))
Yes it does.
"The AIX version supports 62 nodes with four processors each, while the Linux version supports only eight nodes, as Linux is not able to scale over more nodes" - that's from here:
Oh, really. And at the same time US exports lots of weapons to all over the world, including Iraq [yahoo.com] and Taliban.
Have you read that article on Yahoo? There's nothing about US arms export to Iraq. And US never did export weapons to Taliban.
You made it up, didn't you?
The technology export restrictions are to prevent creation of mass destruction weapons.
I wonder, have such sanctions really peaceful reasons or they are just a political instrument to protect economical interests of US weapon corporations?
No no no, export is in interests of corporations, not restrictions of it. Or you think US does not sell high technology to India just to sell nuclear weapons to it? Do you ?
that in Silicon Valley, about 80-90% of the engineers are already underpaid H1b visa-types,
What a bullshit ! Where are you got those numbers? Or you've been working in indian bodyshop, right?
Normal american companies have less than 5% of H1-B workers usually and those numbers are declining. It's just too much hassle to hire H1-B engineer now..
3: Having to edit text based.rc files, or any config files. Windows users laugh at Linus users for having to put up with this. There shouldn't be a single file (save for HOSTS) that anyone should EVER have to edit. Period. This is 2002, not 1975!
Geez, what you are talking about? That's one of Unix strengthes!
First, if it's text file you can change/edit it in any way you want. It's useful for recovery when you have nothing but shell, useful for task automation and easy to program.
Second - if you removed file you could just cut'n'paste text.
Well, have you ever edited Windows registry? What's difference then?
;))) Free as in quotation marks?
Really, why you think it's 'much more "FREE"'?
Because it has multipage license?;)
I really see no reason why FreeBSD should be better than Linux.
USE THE SOURCE, LUKE!
Choice depends on what do you want to do with it and what hardware you have to use. My choice for servers is FreeBSD. It just works. Linux has a lot of features and even more bugs - like those pesky RPMs which have millions of dependencies; lack of manual pages; persistent change of everything...
Biggest reason I switched, hardware support. I could only get BSD to use my video card correctly once,
Was your video card Nvidia? You may know they got native FreeBSD drivers. I'm enjoying them now;)
I have different luck with Linux drivers - everything I have work perfect with FreeBSD and supposed to be supported with Linux, but not easy.
[RANT] For example I wanted to install RH7.2 on IDE RAID. Not supported with regular kernel. I had to install it somewhere, recompile kernel, find needed modules and then install on IDE RAID.
Or current mess with PCCARD wireless support - doesn't work with regular kernel. You have to recompile it, and install which driver - wvlan,wvlan-ng,orinoco,hermes ? And then it said - you need to download pcmcia-cs package. How I suppose to do it if network doesn't work ? It just so time consuming..[/RANT]
Another big advantage Red Hat has over BSD is up2date as opposed to cvsup.
Oh-ho - you shouldn't use cvsup actually. If you want to bump OS version just do install with update. If you want to install/upgrade packages - usr pkg_add or portupgrade ( portupgrade also could be used to upgrade packages). Cvsup usefull if you want to have freshest bleeding-edge source - it's not for home or for production, just for developers.. You don't need to recompile whole FreeBSD or most of packages.
Again: you are confusing "this is Free" with "this belongs to me". Why do you expect to be able to profit from something that doesn't belong to you?
I do not want profit from it. I'm not confusing free and ownership. I just don't like idea of all my code turning GPL if i put a snippet of GPLed code in it. One more thing - if my code under BSD license, it's not possible to have anything from GPL in it either..
Are you really so self-centered that you cannot see the importance of protecting gifted code for the good of the community?
What could happen to code without GPL. Somebody releases new proprietary version and charges money for it? Yes. Here are examples:
Apache vs Stronghold webservers.
FreeBSD,OpenBSD, NetBSD vs BSDi.
Nothing really could happen with really gifted code.
Your attitude is the perfect illustration for why we need the GPL. Without it, people would just take and take, without giving anything back (see Commons, Tragedy of).
No-no it's not my attitude, it's my freedom of thought;).
It looks like you ignore other licensing possibilities which allow anybody to give without forcing to give.
I'm not sure how relevant Tragedy of Commons is to software. It's about resource starvation... Maybe it's related to it in political sense. I studied socialism, communism and what they've done to so-called 'socialist countries'. They had different solution to resource starvation - herdsman may add more and more animals to pasture but can't sell animals. Proceeds of animals sale just got divided in community. So wise herdsmen keep number of animals as low as possible (minimize work) just to feed themselves.
I found Stallman's political agenda very close to naive socialism.
Oh, well - all discussion was about free in GPL. This word could be turned in any way - is it living thing? Software should live and breed free then. Or is it just buliding material for artist who should be free to do anything with it?
Anybody entitled to have own point of view - all licenses will live peaceful together (for predictable amount of time;)
With the GPL, you are given the right to see, modify and redistribute the code, as long as you agree not to relicense it. Why does that give you the expectation that the code now somehow belongs to you? GPL'd code doesn't belong to you (unless you wrote it), it belongs to the community. If you don't like it, I hereby invite you to write your own damn code.
Yes, I completely agree. Here is the problem - I have proprietary project and there are some GPLed parts which could be used in it. But in accordance to GPL all source code has to be opened then. So I have to rewrite those parts, which is just unproductive. Sometimes it is possible to use GPLed source as libraries (LGPL then), but often it's not feasible technically.
So "free" is not free here. I'm not free to use it.
The BSD license only really differs from the GPL in one practical aspect: it allows third parties to make the code proprietary.
That's wrong. You have open part and proprietary part and derivative work is proprietary. But open is still open. For example FreeBSD is used by NOKIA routers. FreeBSD is open and free anyway.
So the only reason to favor the BSD license over the GPL is if one is NOT the original developer,
Could you say it to FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Apache, XFree86 developers? (Apache and XFree86 have their BSD-like licenses)
who the hell are you, some third-party non-author slashdot kiddie flamer troll
Calling people names? That's your last argument? - oh no, play it alone...
>>If it's "free" I should be able to do what I want with it, right?
>No. Are you a free citizen? Are you allowed to do anything you want?
>"I'm not allowed to murder my neighbor, I'm not free!". Bla bla bla.
Soviet Union citizens were also "free". They just were not allowed to have private enterprises, to publish everything they want, to visit foreign countries without permission and so on.
They just "didn't need" it.
No - it can't be. You see, proprietary software which includes BSD-licensed software is a different entity. It includes original free part and a new proprietary part. Free original part is still free. Proprietary part is not free and can not be forced to be open as GPL forces. For example BSD is part of OS X, but FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD are still free.
GPL-ed software has a "live free or die" clause.
Duh, it's Unix Live Free or Die! And GNU's Not Unix -> from here http://www.gnu.org . Hence it's not applicable to GNU and it's license, right?;))))
Japan had analog HDTV for a while. They started digital HDTV broadcast in 2000, two years later than in US.
NTSC/PAL fiasco?
TV broadcasts in US started in 1939, NTSC was approved in 1953. PAL and SECAM were adopted in 1967.
Let's also be clear that the BSD license is not about avoiding restrictions. It's about giving up rights.
WRONG! If somebody placed code under BSD license nobody could change license and code ownership. It's not giving up - it's giving away;)))
I have no idea about your scientists example. I think they release their works under BSD license;)) - or rather without license at all. Some scientist do not release works, working for corporations and governments. And nobody publish works with restrictions like GPL. Or you know anybody?
Oh, and GPL is not about copyright as you wrote - it's about copyleft;)
Far more offensive to me is that they use csh [faqs.org] as a scripting language. This is absolutely unacceptable.
This FAQ about csh almost completely outdated.. Some points is still valid though. I think/bin/sh as scripting language more standard in almost every environment. It could be used on Linux too;)))
we can't fault Apple with *trying* the GPL. People can get mad at apple for being to restrictive with which code can be licensed in which way. But name one other company that has attempted to embrace the GPL with their own code that wasn't already under the GPL.
I think you are wrong. Apple doesn't have any relation to gnu-darwin project. There is open-darwin.org sponsored by Apple...
Replacing every bit of electronics in the broadcast chain, including the tower, in 10 years?
Well, not including tower;))))
Do you now how many stations broadcast digitally?
More than half. Well, most of them just broadcast analog content through digital channel - it's just start.
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You see - India has FAIRLY stable government. Could they have much worse government in 5 years and in pissing contest drop some nuclear bombs on Pakistan? It could happen. Not very probably though...
Heh, they even do not have 1 TFLOP machine. They develop it. And those numbers are just made up. They should claim them after they built it.
Well, you know about indian software engineers here, in US, right? Those decent engineeres have decent salaries ;)
There, in India, many more mediocre engineers.. Top of the crop are going abroad.
Common, there were no software 50 years ago - what kind of society was that? It doesn't matter how work one part of industry - whole economics is important. I can imagine country where is no religion and there is a soul-saving business. They could point to US churches and declare US a socialist country ;))
"The AIX version supports 62 nodes with four processors each, while the Linux version supports only eight nodes, as Linux is not able to scale over more nodes" - that's from here
http://www.itworld.com/Comp/1437/021217indiasuperc omp
Have you read that article on Yahoo? There's nothing about US arms export to Iraq. And US never did export weapons to Taliban.
You made it up, didn't you?
The technology export restrictions are to prevent creation of mass destruction weapons.
I wonder, have such sanctions really peaceful reasons or they are just a political instrument to protect economical interests of US weapon corporations?
No no no, export is in interests of corporations, not restrictions of it. Or you think US does not sell high technology to India just to sell nuclear weapons to it? Do you ?
What a bullshit ! Where are you got those numbers? Or you've been working in indian bodyshop, right?
Normal american companies have less than 5% of H1-B workers usually and those numbers are declining. It's just too much hassle to hire H1-B engineer now..
Geez, what you are talking about? That's one of Unix strengthes!
First, if it's text file you can change/edit it in any way you want. It's useful for recovery when you have nothing but shell, useful for task automation and easy to program.
Second - if you removed file you could just cut'n'paste text.
Well, have you ever edited Windows registry? What's difference then?
Really, why you think it's 'much more "FREE"'? Because it has multipage license?
I really see no reason why FreeBSD should be better than Linux. USE THE SOURCE, LUKE!
Choice depends on what do you want to do with it and what hardware you have to use. My choice for servers is FreeBSD. It just works. Linux has a lot of features and even more bugs - like those pesky RPMs which have millions of dependencies; lack of manual pages; persistent change of everything...
Was your video card Nvidia? You may know they got native FreeBSD drivers. I'm enjoying them now ;)
I have different luck with Linux drivers - everything I have work perfect with FreeBSD and supposed to be supported with Linux, but not easy.
[RANT] For example I wanted to install RH7.2 on IDE RAID. Not supported with regular kernel. I had to install it somewhere, recompile kernel, find needed modules and then install on IDE RAID.
Or current mess with PCCARD wireless support - doesn't work with regular kernel. You have to recompile it, and install which driver - wvlan,wvlan-ng,orinoco,hermes ? And then it said - you need to download pcmcia-cs package. How I suppose to do it if network doesn't work ? It just so time consuming..[/RANT]
Another big advantage Red Hat has over BSD is up2date as opposed to cvsup.
Oh-ho - you shouldn't use cvsup actually. If you want to bump OS version just do install with update. If you want to install/upgrade packages - usr pkg_add or portupgrade ( portupgrade also could be used to upgrade packages). Cvsup usefull if you want to have freshest bleeding-edge source - it's not for home or for production, just for developers.. You don't need to recompile whole FreeBSD or most of packages.
I do not want profit from it. I'm not confusing free and ownership. I just don't like idea of all my code turning GPL if i put a snippet of GPLed code in it. One more thing - if my code under BSD license, it's not possible to have anything from GPL in it either..
Are you really so self-centered that you cannot see the importance of protecting gifted code for the good of the community?
What could happen to code without GPL. Somebody releases new proprietary version and charges money for it?
Yes. Here are examples:
Apache vs Stronghold webservers.
FreeBSD,OpenBSD, NetBSD vs BSDi.
Nothing really could happen with really gifted code.
Your attitude is the perfect illustration for why we need the GPL. Without it, people would just take and take, without giving anything back (see Commons, Tragedy of).
No-no it's not my attitude, it's my freedom of thought ;).
It looks like you ignore other licensing possibilities which allow anybody to give without forcing to give.
I'm not sure how relevant Tragedy of Commons is to software. It's about resource starvation... Maybe it's related to it in political sense. I studied socialism, communism and what they've done to so-called 'socialist countries'. They had different solution to resource starvation - herdsman may add more and more animals to pasture but can't sell animals. Proceeds of animals sale just got divided in community. So wise herdsmen keep number of animals as low as possible (minimize work) just to feed themselves.
I found Stallman's political agenda very close to naive socialism.
Oh, well - all discussion was about free in GPL. This word could be turned in any way - is it living thing? Software should live and breed free then. Or is it just buliding material for artist who should be free to do anything with it?
Anybody entitled to have own point of view - all licenses will live peaceful together (for predictable amount of time ;)
Merry Christmas!
Yes, I completely agree.
Here is the problem - I have proprietary project and there are some GPLed parts which could be used in it. But in accordance to GPL all source code has to be opened then. So I have to rewrite those parts, which is just unproductive. Sometimes it is possible to use GPLed source as libraries (LGPL then), but often it's not feasible technically.
So "free" is not free here. I'm not free to use it.
That's wrong. You have open part and proprietary part and derivative work is proprietary. But open is still open. For example FreeBSD is used by NOKIA routers. FreeBSD is open and free anyway. So the only reason to favor the BSD license over the GPL is if one is NOT the original developer,
Could you say it to FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Apache, XFree86 developers? (Apache and XFree86 have their BSD-like licenses)
who the hell are you, some third-party non-author slashdot kiddie flamer troll
Calling people names? That's your last argument? - oh no, play it alone...
>Provably false [redhat.com]
They became profitable for the 1st time in how many years? Anyway they got measly $305,000 in 3rd quater and lost much more in first and second.
BTW most of their revenue come from subscription and service.
If your software doesn't require service and subscription, how you suppose to get a penny of it?
>No. Are you a free citizen? Are you allowed to do anything you want?
>"I'm not allowed to murder my neighbor, I'm not free!". Bla bla bla.
Soviet Union citizens were also "free". They just were not allowed to have private enterprises, to publish everything they want, to visit foreign countries without permission and so on.
They just "didn't need" it.
No - it can't be. You see, proprietary software which includes BSD-licensed software is a different entity. It includes original free part and a new proprietary part. Free original part is still free. Proprietary part is not free and can not be forced to be open as GPL forces.
For example BSD is part of OS X, but FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD are still free.
GPL-ed software has a "live free or die" clause.
Duh, it's Unix Live Free or Die! And GNU's Not Unix -> from here http://www.gnu.org . Hence it's not applicable to GNU and it's license, right? ;))))
Who you are if your reason for software use is a cuteness ?
Are you BLONDE?
It is not a problem for 3-4 years, I think.
Well, just try it
Yes, whitelisting is working...
But do anybody care to come to admin to say - here is email address, could you check if it needs to be whitelisted?
Well, you are ;))
Japan had analog HDTV for a while. They started digital HDTV broadcast in 2000, two years later than in US.
NTSC/PAL fiasco?
TV broadcasts in US started in 1939, NTSC was approved in 1953. PAL and SECAM were adopted in 1967.
WRONG! If somebody placed code under BSD license nobody could change license and code ownership. It's not giving up - it's giving away ;)))
I have no idea about your scientists example. I think they release their works under BSD license ;)) - or rather without license at all. Some scientist do not release works, working for corporations and governments. And nobody publish works with restrictions like GPL. Or you know anybody?
Oh, and GPL is not about copyright as you wrote - it's about copyleft ;)
This FAQ about csh almost completely outdated.. Some points is still valid though. /bin/sh as scripting language more standard in almost every environment. It could be used on Linux too ;)))
I think
I think he actually suggested to commit belly-slitting with a dirty rusty knife and not a seppuku.
I think you are wrong.
Apple doesn't have any relation to gnu-darwin project. There is open-darwin.org sponsored by Apple...
Well, not including tower ;))))
Do you now how many stations broadcast digitally? More than half. Well, most of them just broadcast analog content through digital channel - it's just start.