What you said is typical racistspeak. Believe me, I've seen it at work in issues a lot more serious than gold farming, but it's no less recognizable. You're trying to justify your prejudice by talking about other ways in which you feel you're not racist. It doesn't work, and it's very, very ugly.
God, you really are a fool. What I said was that I interact with Chinese people normally - this means that I treat them as normal people, not like your grandmother. I take specific actions based on past behavior of a group of people that happens to be mostly Chinese.
1) You're making gross generalization about a race of people based on your limited experience with them in a certain context, with absolutely no factual basis for such a generalization and selectively ignoring any positive experience you've had with said race in your consideration.
I take specific actions in that context, due to the past history of people with atrocious english and poor communication skills. The fact that I ditch people who don't group well is an added bonus.
) You're taking specific actions (i.e. avoiding associating with said race) based on your gross generalization. You're not taking into account at all an idividual's motive or actions; you're merely associating those individuals with their race and acting on that fact alone.
No I'm not. If I run into a chinese player that speaks reasonably well and doesn't act like a farmer, I'm perfectly fine with it. I probably wouldn't know, and I wouldn't care if I found out.
3) you're encouring other people to do the same thing you are, thus spreading such erroneous preconceived notions about the race.
I have no preconcieved notions about Chinese people in general. I have notions about their culture, based on people I've met, but this is a normal part of learning. China has roughly 47 ethnic groups; which ones do you think I'm racist towards?
Anyone with half a brain sees you for exactly who you are. Hopefully, you'll be able to look back on this someday and realize just how stupid you're being. I myself was raised in a racist household, and for the first twelve years or so of my life, I used the same tired excuses you are to justify my own racism. It took someone showing me what a idiot I was to change my ways. I got smarter and grew up, something you obviously haven't done yet. Whether or not you eventually realize it, there's no doubting that right now, you're being an idiot, too.
Aha! I see it now: you're so intent on disavowing your racist roots that any reference that appears to involve race must be attacked. I forgive you for being myopic and irritating, but please realize that sometimes divisions fall along cultural or national lines.
If you want to continue being an idiot and passing up playing with some of the coolest people in the world because of your stupid narrowmindedness, well, that's your choice.
Yeah, right. Name one reason why I should group with someone who I can't talk to.
My comment was a responese to the assertion that the code received was poor, not a comment on the general desireability of having other poeple do your homework.
I guess my point was that the code quality is irrelevant when it's the wrong problem being solved.
Being banned from Slashdot may not be as consequential as being locked up in the Guantanamo facility, but IMO the justice and the lack of transparency shares the same spirit.
Yabut, Slashdot has far less power to fuck me over than Uncle Sam, so I'll ignore them and concentrate on the real threat - my government.
Quoted: "Multiply that by overall population estimates of 10 billion people by 2100 and the world will require 1.7 billion metric tons of copper by that date--more than even the most generous estimate of available resources."
Don't they keep revising the population estimates down? Turns out, as a culture gets more urban, the birth rate drops.
Firstly, it is not obvious that you are against genocide.
Sure it is. Do you think I could actually favor it? What I don't know is whether Genocide justifies or requires the country in question be invaded. That would obligate us to invade a lot of shitholes all over the world, which is too much for a single country. Bosnia is different, as we were able to get support fro mEurope; I doubt anybody would volunteer for a field trip to rwanda, where the weapon of choice is a million assholes with machetes.
Secondly, you say genocide was a 'weak cover'. Is thousands of dead bodies in mass graves, + photo evidence, + victim family evidence a 'weak cover'?
No, it's good propaganda. I'd respond further, but the other guy who responded already said most of what I want to say.
Your statements definitely fit both of those definitions. I hate to say it, but 1) you're wrong, and 2) you're a racist. I always find it funny how many people are racist and don't even know it. But then, that's one of the worst kinds of racism: the kind that hides behind the old "But I'm justified!" excuse.
That's funny, I date Chinese women, and I have no problem interacting with Chinese people socially outside of WOW. It's only a small subset of people that, defined by behavior and common attributes, have stolen in the past that I avoid.
God, you really are pathetic. Definitely one of the worst excuses for an American that I've ever seen. It's people like you that make people like me ashamed when we're in the company of foreigners. I'm just glad that generally speaking, they aren't as narrowminded as you are, and realize that we're not all such tiny-brained little bigots.
Get off your high horse. In the context of the game, it's true. Those who don't steal generally fall into two groups: the ones that run around speaking mandarin to each other (mildly annoying, but oh well), and the ones who learn enough english to be useful in a group setting.
The simple fact is, when nearly everyone you meet that acts in a certain way steals, you stop associating with them. Calling it racist degrades the meaning of the word.
So let me get this straight. You believe that documented genocide is no reason to forcefully remove a leader?
I believe that either it is or it isn't, and you can't decide based on the country's strategic value. Fact is, both North Korea and China engage in genocide today, Saddam did it many years ago, and both he and Turkey kill Kurds (we aren't threatening Turkey, are we?). Picking the one of the bunch that has oil (we didn't invade Iraq over genocide, or have you been in a cave for three years?) means that it is just a cover story. Quit being so gullible.
I am not interested in what the US has actually done (nothing in the cases you list), but I am interested if you were for or against forcefully stopping genocide in say, Rwanda, or if you believe that "No it isn't" a reason still.
I am obviously against genocide, but I consider its use in justifying Iraq a weak cover for what really happened, and find it insulting that I am expected to believe it.
It is clearly a logical fallacy to say that removing a genocidal dictator is wrong because we have not removed other, worse dictators. It merely shows that the US acted differently (and wrongly IMO) in those cases.
Pure logic has no place in world politics. What my examples show is that world leaders apparently don't view internal genocide as any reason to invade someone, they just use it as justification after the fact.
At the very least nearly every country, their leaders liberal or conservative, believed Saddam had nukes. There is no evidence for instance, that the weapons were destroyed years ago (it is a very strict requirement that photos of the destruction etc. are supplied to the UN, for obvious reasons). But I agree it was no reason to invade (I never saw anything that proved he still had them).
Nobody believes that Saddam ever had a nuke, or he'd've never been invaded. He had a nuke program (10 years ago).
A good reason to invade however was that he was murdering civilians who believed in a different political strain than his (documented with plenty of _real_ evidence), torturing the families of those innocent civilians who had the nerve to have differing beliefs.
No it isn't, or else we'd be obligated to invade Rwanda about 5-7 years ago, Somalia before that, and North Korea and China today.
I mean, is China the only country they don't speak native english? This person could have ne French, German, or Russian.
No they couldn't have. If they were German, for instance, the errors would be different. In fact, they'd speak ok english because of all the interaction with the English.
It might be racist to want black peopoe to stay at the back of the bus, but it does keep me from walking all the way back there myself.
Let me ask you a question: if a certain group of people stole from you roughly half of the time, would you hang around with them?
Racism for convience is racism with an excuse.
Discriminating against chinese in WOW is not racist, provided it is due to a preponderance of experience. It may be culturalist, but the fact is that a bunch of people whose only unifying characteristic is bad chinglish steal. Avoiding people with bad chinglish is just good sense.
Actually ninjitsu originated in china. It was "borrowed" by the japanese during times when Bushido was at it's highest and some powers thought they needed some skilled fighters with a different set of skills.
More likely, early nin arts were influenced by Chinese ex-pats. Dirty tricks and misdirection hew to no specific country.
OK you like meetings becuase you learn more about your product but couldn't you get even more information by simply researching and shooting a few e-mails to people. That way you don't clog everyone elses day by asking the same questions that has been answered by these people 200 times already.
No.
Instead of spending 30 minute to an hour, you pester the engineers with lots of little questions, wasting hours of their time.
assuming equal proficiency, if someone will do for $10 what i want $100 for, then obviously the guy who will do it for $10 will get the job
whether he lives in bangalore, san francisco, or melbourne
go ahead and fight that, go ahead and wail about the injustice of it all
what are you going to do about it? what can you do about it?
I'm going to wait until he's done and charge you $100 to clean up his mess.
Globalization is how the country of france was almost burned to the ground, Globalization
is how riots have occured in the UK:
No, racist hiring policies and a government turning a blind eye cause the french riots. How'd you like it if you couldn't get an interview because your name was north african looking, or you had the wrong sort of address?
Late binding is done by the VB.NET compiler automatically; this isn't done at all in C#. (Dim x As Object = SqlCommand.ExecuteReader(): x.Close() in VB.NET is valid -- object x = SqlCommand.ExecuteReader(); x.Close(); in C# is not.) Of course, this is slow and bad.
Looks more like it's done at runtime via IDispatch or similar mechanisms.
IDispatch? Only if you're using COM. For.NET objects, late-binding uses.NET reflection.
so it's the same as C#, more or less?
VB.NET has "library stuff" that's for use in VB.NET only -- specifically, the "convenience" functions like IsNumeric, and new "My" features.
Well, you probably could use the my namespace in C#, but it'd likely require the Vb runtime and be a pain.
Those features, along with late-binding and automatic type casting/conversion, are what really differentiate VB.NET from C# -- not any significant non-syntax language features.
Which is really my point - VB and C# are basically the same, so trotting that out as an advantage over the JVM, where only Java is first class, doesn't make sense.
VB.NET has these where C# doesn't:
Automatic type casting (where appropriate);
Late binding; Functions like IsNumeric, IsNothing, etc.;
the My namespace (in 2.0);
You can get the automatic typecasting by using variants all over the place like VB does, which will also get you the functionsyou mentioned. Late binding seems to be implemented via IDispatch, so that's supported just as well in C# or C++. What I was asking about was language features, not library stuff. For example, does VB.net allow for closures?
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If his IQ was 190, you would think he could work out a way to stop working for The Man.
Yeah well, IQ is overrated, or at least a minor factor in getting rich.
Honest truth here. I'm a white bastard. And you know what? I've had the exact same types of conversations
Yeah, me too. Being smart leads to freaking people out.
Actually, isn't the accuracy of consumer level GPS is insufficient for this task?
You'd think that some of these buried lines predate GPS, wouldn't you?
What you said is typical racistspeak. Believe me, I've seen it at work in issues a lot more serious than gold farming, but it's no less recognizable. You're trying to justify your prejudice by talking about other ways in which you feel you're not racist. It doesn't work, and it's very, very ugly.
God, you really are a fool. What I said was that I interact with Chinese people normally - this means that I treat them as normal people, not like your grandmother. I take specific actions based on past behavior of a group of people that happens to be mostly Chinese.
1) You're making gross generalization about a race of people based on your limited experience with them in a certain context, with absolutely no factual basis for such a generalization and selectively ignoring any positive experience you've had with said race in your consideration.
I take specific actions in that context, due to the past history of people with atrocious english and poor communication skills. The fact that I ditch people who don't group well is an added bonus.
) You're taking specific actions (i.e. avoiding associating with said race) based on your gross generalization. You're not taking into account at all an idividual's motive or actions; you're merely associating those individuals with their race and acting on that fact alone.
No I'm not. If I run into a chinese player that speaks reasonably well and doesn't act like a farmer, I'm perfectly fine with it. I probably wouldn't know, and I wouldn't care if I found out.
3) you're encouring other people to do the same thing you are, thus spreading such erroneous preconceived notions about the race.
I have no preconcieved notions about Chinese people in general. I have notions about their culture, based on people I've met, but this is a normal part of learning. China has roughly 47 ethnic groups; which ones do you think I'm racist towards?
Anyone with half a brain sees you for exactly who you are. Hopefully, you'll be able to look back on this someday and realize just how stupid you're being. I myself was raised in a racist household, and for the first twelve years or so of my life, I used the same tired excuses you are to justify my own racism. It took someone showing me what a idiot I was to change my ways. I got smarter and grew up, something you obviously haven't done yet. Whether or not you eventually realize it, there's no doubting that right now, you're being an idiot, too.
Aha! I see it now: you're so intent on disavowing your racist roots that any reference that appears to involve race must be attacked. I forgive you for being myopic and irritating, but please realize that sometimes divisions fall along cultural or national lines.
If you want to continue being an idiot and passing up playing with some of the coolest people in the world because of your stupid narrowmindedness, well, that's your choice.
Yeah, right. Name one reason why I should group with someone who I can't talk to.
Also, it may be a situation where they know how to do the assignment, but want to spend their time on other assignments.
Come on, we both know the people that outsource homework aren't doing it for that reason.
My comment was a responese to the assertion that the code received was poor, not a comment on the general desireability of having other poeple do your homework.
I guess my point was that the code quality is irrelevant when it's the wrong problem being solved.
Code that obviously was good enough for its intended use (since they passed the class with it).
No it wasn't. It didn't teach the student a damn thing, which was the fucking point in the first place.
Good God, where did you learn to speak English?!
Speaking only for myself, I learned English by talking to actual people face to face, not in a damn game.
Grammar tip of the day:
Wrong: Their after us! Run!
Right:They're after us! Run!
Finally get tired of being flamed by people who don't get the joke?
Being banned from Slashdot may not be as consequential as being locked up in the Guantanamo facility, but IMO the justice and the lack of transparency shares the same spirit.
Yabut, Slashdot has far less power to fuck me over than Uncle Sam, so I'll ignore them and concentrate on the real threat - my government.
Quoted: "Multiply that by overall population estimates of 10 billion people by 2100 and the world will require 1.7 billion metric tons of copper by that date--more than even the most generous estimate of available resources."
Don't they keep revising the population estimates down? Turns out, as a culture gets more urban, the birth rate drops.
Firstly, it is not obvious that you are against genocide.
Sure it is. Do you think I could actually favor it? What I don't know is whether Genocide justifies or requires the country in question be invaded. That would obligate us to invade a lot of shitholes all over the world, which is too much for a single country. Bosnia is different, as we were able to get support fro mEurope; I doubt anybody would volunteer for a field trip to rwanda, where the weapon of choice is a million assholes with machetes.
Secondly, you say genocide was a 'weak cover'. Is thousands of dead bodies in mass graves, + photo evidence, + victim family evidence a 'weak cover'?
No, it's good propaganda. I'd respond further, but the other guy who responded already said most of what I want to say.
Your statements definitely fit both of those definitions. I hate to say it, but 1) you're wrong, and 2) you're a racist. I always find it funny how many people are racist and don't even know it. But then, that's one of the worst kinds of racism: the kind that hides behind the old "But I'm justified!" excuse.
That's funny, I date Chinese women, and I have no problem interacting with Chinese people socially outside of WOW. It's only a small subset of people that, defined by behavior and common attributes, have stolen in the past that I avoid.
God, you really are pathetic. Definitely one of the worst excuses for an American that I've ever seen. It's people like you that make people like me ashamed when we're in the company of foreigners. I'm just glad that generally speaking, they aren't as narrowminded as you are, and realize that we're not all such tiny-brained little bigots.
Get off your high horse. In the context of the game, it's true. Those who don't steal generally fall into two groups: the ones that run around speaking mandarin to each other (mildly annoying, but oh well), and the ones who learn enough english to be useful in a group setting.
The simple fact is, when nearly everyone you meet that acts in a certain way steals, you stop associating with them. Calling it racist degrades the meaning of the word.
So let me get this straight. You believe that documented genocide is no reason to forcefully remove a leader?
I believe that either it is or it isn't, and you can't decide based on the country's strategic value. Fact is, both North Korea and China engage in genocide today, Saddam did it many years ago, and both he and Turkey kill Kurds (we aren't threatening Turkey, are we?). Picking the one of the bunch that has oil (we didn't invade Iraq over genocide, or have you been in a cave for three years?) means that it is just a cover story. Quit being so gullible.
I am not interested in what the US has actually done (nothing in the cases you list), but I am interested if you were for or against forcefully stopping genocide in say, Rwanda, or if you believe that "No it isn't" a reason still.
I am obviously against genocide, but I consider its use in justifying Iraq a weak cover for what really happened, and find it insulting that I am expected to believe it.
It is clearly a logical fallacy to say that removing a genocidal dictator is wrong because we have not removed other, worse dictators. It merely shows that the US acted differently (and wrongly IMO) in those cases.
Pure logic has no place in world politics. What my examples show is that world leaders apparently don't view internal genocide as any reason to invade someone, they just use it as justification after the fact.
At the very least nearly every country, their leaders liberal or conservative, believed Saddam had nukes. There is no evidence for instance, that the weapons were destroyed years ago (it is a very strict requirement that photos of the destruction etc. are supplied to the UN, for obvious reasons). But I agree it was no reason to invade (I never saw anything that proved he still had them).
Nobody believes that Saddam ever had a nuke, or he'd've never been invaded. He had a nuke program (10 years ago).
A good reason to invade however was that he was murdering civilians who believed in a different political strain than his (documented with plenty of _real_ evidence), torturing the families of those innocent civilians who had the nerve to have differing beliefs.
No it isn't, or else we'd be obligated to invade Rwanda about 5-7 years ago, Somalia before that, and North Korea and China today.
I was assuming the Iraq War, but yeah, Germany didn't support the US during either World War either.
Yeah, well you can probably do without that sort of idiot. It's a game, for fuck's sake!
/didn't support the war, but do support our troops.
I mean, is China the only country they don't speak native english? This person could have ne French, German, or Russian.
No they couldn't have. If they were German, for instance, the errors would be different. In fact, they'd speak ok english because of all the interaction with the English.
It might be racist to want black peopoe to stay at the back of the bus, but it does keep me from walking all the way back there myself.
Let me ask you a question: if a certain group of people stole from you roughly half of the time, would you hang around with them?
Racism for convience is racism with an excuse.
Discriminating against chinese in WOW is not racist, provided it is due to a preponderance of experience. It may be culturalist, but the fact is that a bunch of people whose only unifying characteristic is bad chinglish steal. Avoiding people with bad chinglish is just good sense.
Actually ninjitsu originated in china. It was "borrowed" by the japanese during times when Bushido was at it's highest and some powers thought they needed some skilled fighters with a different set of skills.
More likely, early nin arts were influenced by Chinese ex-pats. Dirty tricks and misdirection hew to no specific country.
OK you like meetings becuase you learn more about your product but couldn't you get even more information by simply researching and shooting a few e-mails to people. That way you don't clog everyone elses day by asking the same questions that has been answered by these people 200 times already.
No.
Instead of spending 30 minute to an hour, you pester the engineers with lots of little questions, wasting hours of their time.
And some people prefer End statements and newlines to brackets and semicolons, so that alone is an advantage, at least to some.
No accounting for taste :P
How the hell did you copy a lawnmower?
With a hacked Xerox. I also managed to put it inside itself, and now I have two.
assuming equal proficiency, if someone will do for $10 what i want $100 for, then obviously the guy who will do it for $10 will get the job whether he lives in bangalore, san francisco, or melbourne go ahead and fight that, go ahead and wail about the injustice of it all what are you going to do about it? what can you do about it?
I'm going to wait until he's done and charge you $100 to clean up his mess.
Globalization is how the country of france was almost burned to the ground, Globalization is how riots have occured in the UK:
No, racist hiring policies and a government turning a blind eye cause the french riots. How'd you like it if you couldn't get an interview because your name was north african looking, or you had the wrong sort of address?
If I swipe your lawnmower and sell it to your neighbor, does he get to keep it because he paid for it?
If I copy your lawnmower and sell it to your neighbor, does he get to keep it because he paid for it?
Late binding is done by the VB.NET compiler automatically; this isn't done at all in C#. (Dim x As Object = SqlCommand.ExecuteReader(): x.Close() in VB.NET is valid -- object x = SqlCommand.ExecuteReader(); x.Close(); in C# is not.) Of course, this is slow and bad.
Looks more like it's done at runtime via IDispatch or similar mechanisms.
IDispatch? Only if you're using COM. For .NET objects, late-binding uses .NET reflection.
so it's the same as C#, more or less?
VB.NET has "library stuff" that's for use in VB.NET only -- specifically, the "convenience" functions like IsNumeric, and new "My" features.
Well, you probably could use the my namespace in C#, but it'd likely require the Vb runtime and be a pain.
Those features, along with late-binding and automatic type casting/conversion, are what really differentiate VB.NET from C# -- not any significant non-syntax language features.
Which is really my point - VB and C# are basically the same, so trotting that out as an advantage over the JVM, where only Java is first class, doesn't make sense.
VB.NET has these where C# doesn't:
Automatic type casting (where appropriate);
Late binding; Functions like IsNumeric, IsNothing, etc.;
the My namespace (in 2.0);
You can get the automatic typecasting by using variants all over the place like VB does, which will also get you the functionsyou mentioned. Late binding seems to be implemented via IDispatch, so that's supported just as well in C# or C++. What I was asking about was language features, not library stuff. For example, does VB.net allow for closures?