As the article mentiones, a bongo was born to a surrogate eland. The eland raised the bongo as it would an eland, and the bongo grew up and then mated in bongo fashion with real bongoes and had a normal bongo family.
An interesting novel was once written about a man whose mother died on an exploratory mission to Mars, and the child was raised, from before birth, by Martians, and returned to Earth about 20 years later. This brought a lot of benefit to the individual, the Earthlings, and the Martians. So I don't think that undue pessimism is due.
Windows has had pre-emptable kernel and advanced thread scheduling since Windows NT 4.0, a time of several years. Good to see that the Linux guys are finally getting around to it.
It's interesting to see that they are going down the same path as MS - improving GUI performance by putting specific hooks into the kernel. Everyone knows that this is why Windows crashes.
Personally I'd like to see the Linux kernel stay as a kernel and not have any GUI, video or multimedia stuff "integrated". Hasn't it always been a strength of Linux that you only install what you need, and compile a kernel with only the bits you want? A lot of people don't use X-windows, and like Linux's fast performance under those conditions.
This company seems to be trying to create an open-source version of MS Windows. Is that what we want?
They don't make ranges of kernels just to be unstable and piss you off, you know. The 2.5 range will be a development range. This means that it is in testing for new enhancements, such as this pre-empting thing. Since this is a test series of kernels, they can iron out all the bugs, so in the stable releases 2.6, it will work stably.
Understand?
It's you that can't tell the difference between the app and the OS. I can also do all of the things you mention in vi. To see for yourself, fire up vi and type this:
The process involved is conceptually the same as what you are talking about in Windows, except that the call to the other application is made using COM rather than invoking a new shell and then running an executable. If you had a vi macro to do the above command, then you would have the same situation as in Windows.
[14:55] Using Nanotechnology scientists ar Rice University have been able to store 10 billion gigabytes of data on physical storage small enough to fit into a small vial.
[14:56] <Cronik> dang, thats a few hour of mp3s:)
[14:56] <Criggie_> wolfie: uh huh
[14:56] <d27> small vial compared to the massive one they house at the Tokyo museum perhaps
[14:56] <sass-borg> but is it portable?
[14:56] <d27> but that ain't no small vial.
[14:56] <Criggie_> can it work in an MP3 player?
[14:56] <sass-borg> and cross platform? are there linux drivers?
[14:57] <d27> can you boot off the vial?
I wasn't going to write more, but I will.. this document is appalling!
It claims that GPF (ie. segfault) can only be caused by hardware failure. GPF means segfault in the kernel. This means the kernel had bad code. Capiche?
Now, it calls the linux kernel "small".
375,056 KERNEL32.DLL
715260 Aug 1 23:54/boot/vmlinuz-2.0.36
twice the size of NT kernel. Yay for small.
Windows is bloated, because a *full development environment* is five times the disk space of a *text editor* ? Give me a break
It lauds Linux as being POSIX compliant, but windows 2000 is POSIX compliant too. (And Win NT with Interix installed).
The other points this FAQ makes (re. security, history, y2k compliance etc.) are all obvious and only worth bothering with if you are the sort who HAS TO refute a lamer's argument, rather than just call them lame and ignore them.
This is a nice idea, but it would have if it contained some truth, instead of just slinging mud in the opposite direction. I'll comment on the first two sections I read:
Linux is easy to install
This is *entirely subjective* -- anyone must realise that installation experiences vary. For example ; I have installed Win 9x and NT countless times with zero trouble . I've attempted various Linux distros 6 times: one worked, one installed but was kinda broken, and four gave errors, segfaults, bus errors, and so on partway through the installer, leaving an unusable system. This is hardly due to incompetence on my part.
An accurate document will recognize that the installation of a large operating system is complicated, and PCs vary widely, and either one may or may not be easy.
Next: it talks about pre-emptive multitasking, and task-switching. However, Win NT and win 9x are totally pre-emptive. (win 3.1 wasn't). To prove this for yourself, write a simple ASM app which doesn't relinquish control to the OS, and try running it. Surprise -- no crash!
Note: causing the kernel to overload by running 16 bit code, or whatever, is not a counterexample, it's just a crap kernel. If you have to pre-empt the kernel , then you are not in much of a state to have an operating system.
Um, the 'aura' has been photographable for nearly a century, using the well-known technique of Kirlian photography. So it's nothing new in that sense. However, if this fellow has come up more precise ways of interpreting what is seen, then good on him
That doesn't matter tho, cos IE doesn't fall for these crappy lockup things that this article is about . I only use IE, and I browse a lot (including a lot of pr0n sites). The worst I ever get is sites that open new windows when you close them --- but then you just have to be fast and close the new window. Problem solved.
The worst I've ever seen is an endless sequence of JavaScript alert() windows. In this case, you have to kill the browser (luckily this is easy, and you just load it up again).
When Back Orifice, billed as a remote system administration tool for Windows, was released, it did not take Windows users long to cotton on to the fact that it was more useful as a hacking tool than a remote admin tool.
I wonder how long it will take Linux users to realise this ?
About eight years since early versions of Windows NT, I think.. and Microsoft spend billions upon billions of dollars on research, and have tens of thousands of top class technicians working hard on their products. Whereas Unix is still pretty much the same as it was 20 years ago, apart from a few cosmetics. It's good that Sun is making some progress with Solaris though.
The article estimates that He-3 would be worth $4 billion per tun, and makes the flippant comment, "When the moon becomes an independent country, it will have something to trade."
Necessity is the mother of invention, and I am sure there are a hell of a lot of people who consider getting their hands on this gaseous gold a necessity. I hope we will see an awful lot of highly financed scientific development into spaceflight and transport -- this is wonderful!
Compare a similar event in history; nuclear technology was developed many years before it might have otherwise, because the US Government sank so much money into having the scientists work their arse off, so they could use the technology to win WW2. [Different motives, but same effect of need accelerating scientific development].
Unlikely. This guy just doesn't know how to spell. Foreign language speakers, on the other hand, make grammatical errors. If you spoke aloud what this guy was trying to write, it would sound proper.
The N2 never touched the motherboard, so the motherboard wouldn't have become brittle. The motherboard was completely submerged in fluorinert. The N2 was used to cool the fluorinert (the N2 was inside tubes and the fluorinert was on the outside of the tubes).
One thing that needs to be addressed is providing common commands. Solaris and linux both have commands like 'ls', 'route', 'ifconfig', etc. , but the parameters for each are different enough to require looking up and re-learning the command.
Perhaps this is due to all the GNU extensions that standard Linux tools have.
That is such a dumb site! I'd like to post a public warning here. Forgetting for a moment that they failed to spell 'sex' correctly, from the amount of attention this site gets on Slashdot, you would expect at least a large amount of stuff on thie site.
However it has TWO PICTURES, a page of readers' letters, and THAT IS ALL. No links, no other stuff, no shit. The pictures are not very good anyway and they never even get rotated.
Slashdot Mirror
An interesting novel was once written about a man whose mother died on an exploratory mission to Mars, and the child was raised, from before birth, by Martians, and returned to Earth about 20 years later. This brought a lot of benefit to the individual, the Earthlings, and the Martians. So I don't think that undue pessimism is due.
I'm sure he would have been using Linux, if it had the capability to play the material he was distributing
Windows has had pre-emptable kernel and advanced thread scheduling since Windows NT 4.0, a time of several years. Good to see that the Linux guys are finally getting around to it.
It's interesting to see that they are going down the same path as MS - improving GUI performance by putting specific hooks into the kernel. Everyone knows that this is why Windows crashes.
Personally I'd like to see the Linux kernel stay as a kernel and not have any GUI, video or multimedia stuff "integrated". Hasn't it always been a strength of Linux that you only install what you need, and compile a kernel with only the bits you want? A lot of people don't use X-windows, and like Linux's fast performance under those conditions.
This company seems to be trying to create an open-source version of MS Windows. Is that what we want?
They don't make ranges of kernels just to be unstable and piss you off, you know. The 2.5 range will be a development range. This means that it is in testing for new enhancements, such as this pre-empting thing. Since this is a test series of kernels, they can iron out all the bugs, so in the stable releases 2.6, it will work stably.
Understand?
I bought a linux box off a friend, nearly a week ago, and it had 2.2.17 kernel and source on it
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1042807 Aug 31 01:21 vmlinuz-2.2.17
(that's it)
what gives?
It's you that can't tell the difference between the app and the OS. I can also do all of the things you mention in vi. To see for yourself, fire up vi and type this:
!!wget http://www.slashdot.org/ 2>&1 >/dev/null ; cat index.html
voila, web browsing from your text editor.
The process involved is conceptually the same as what you are talking about in Windows, except that the call to the other application is made using COM rather than invoking a new shell and then running an executable. If you had a vi macro to do the above command, then you would have the same situation as in Windows.
[14:55] Using Nanotechnology scientists ar Rice University have been able to store 10 billion gigabytes of data on physical storage small enough to fit into a small vial. :)
[14:56] <Cronik> dang, thats a few hour of mp3s
[14:56] <Criggie_> wolfie: uh huh
[14:56] <d27> small vial compared to the massive one they house at the Tokyo museum perhaps
[14:56] <sass-borg> but is it portable?
[14:56] <d27> but that ain't no small vial.
[14:56] <Criggie_> can it work in an MP3 player?
[14:56] <sass-borg> and cross platform? are there linux drivers?
[14:57] <d27> can you boot off the vial?
Gee, there's only a few million trillion tons of nitrogen in the atmosphere already ....
1000 years of nitrogen-powered cars will have less environmental impact than 10 years of carbon *oxide-emitting vehicles.
I wasn't going to write more, but I will.. this document is appalling!
/boot/vmlinuz-2.0.36
It claims that GPF (ie. segfault) can only be caused by hardware failure. GPF means segfault in the kernel. This means the kernel had bad code. Capiche?
Now, it calls the linux kernel "small".
375,056 KERNEL32.DLL
715260 Aug 1 23:54
twice the size of NT kernel. Yay for small.
Windows is bloated, because a *full development environment* is five times the disk space of a *text editor* ? Give me a break
It lauds Linux as being POSIX compliant, but windows 2000 is POSIX compliant too. (And Win NT with Interix installed).
The other points this FAQ makes (re. security, history, y2k compliance etc.) are all obvious and only worth bothering with if you are the sort who HAS TO refute a lamer's argument, rather than just call them lame and ignore them.
This is a nice idea, but it would have if it contained some truth, instead of just slinging mud in the opposite direction. I'll comment on the first two sections I read:
Linux is easy to install
This is *entirely subjective* -- anyone must realise that installation experiences vary. For example ; I have installed Win 9x and NT countless times with zero trouble . I've attempted various Linux distros 6 times: one worked, one installed but was kinda broken, and four gave errors, segfaults, bus errors, and so on partway through the installer, leaving an unusable system. This is hardly due to incompetence on my part.
An accurate document will recognize that the installation of a large operating system is complicated, and PCs vary widely, and either one may or may not be easy.
Next: it talks about pre-emptive multitasking, and task-switching. However, Win NT and win 9x are totally pre-emptive. (win 3.1 wasn't). To prove this for yourself, write a simple ASM app which doesn't relinquish control to the OS, and try running it. Surprise -- no crash!
Note: causing the kernel to overload by running 16 bit code, or whatever, is not a counterexample, it's just a crap kernel. If you have to pre-empt the kernel , then you are not in much of a state to have an operating system.
Um, the 'aura' has been photographable for nearly a century, using the well-known technique of Kirlian photography. So it's nothing new in that sense. However, if this fellow has come up more precise ways of interpreting what is seen, then good on him
That doesn't matter tho, cos IE doesn't fall for these crappy lockup things that this article is about . I only use IE, and I browse a lot (including a lot of pr0n sites). The worst I ever get is sites that open new windows when you close them --- but then you just have to be fast and close the new window. Problem solved.
The worst I've ever seen is an endless sequence of JavaScript alert() windows. In this case, you have to kill the browser (luckily this is easy, and you just load it up again).
When Back Orifice, billed as a remote system administration tool for Windows, was released, it did not take Windows users long to cotton on to the fact that it was more useful as a hacking tool than a remote admin tool.
I wonder how long it will take Linux users to realise this ?
Come to think of it, why do you even need a GUI ?
Since when was a laptop a box ?
About eight years since early versions of Windows NT, I think.. and Microsoft spend billions upon billions of dollars on research, and have tens of thousands of top class technicians working hard on their products. Whereas Unix is still pretty much the same as it was 20 years ago, apart from a few cosmetics. It's good that Sun is making some progress with Solaris though.
The article estimates that He-3 would be worth $4 billion per tun, and makes the flippant comment, "When the moon becomes an independent country, it will have something to trade."
Necessity is the mother of invention, and I am sure there are a hell of a lot of people who consider getting their hands on this gaseous gold a necessity. I hope we will see an awful lot of highly financed scientific development into spaceflight and transport -- this is wonderful!
Compare a similar event in history; nuclear technology was developed many years before it might have otherwise, because the US Government sank so much money into having the scientists work their arse off, so they could use the technology to win WW2. [Different motives, but same effect of need accelerating scientific development].
Unlikely. This guy just doesn't know how to spell. Foreign language speakers, on the other hand, make grammatical errors.
If you spoke aloud what this guy was trying to write, it would sound proper.
Perhaps you should get a slashdot login. I'm sure they pay more attention to users who are willing to put a name to their story
The N2 never touched the motherboard, so the motherboard wouldn't have become brittle. The motherboard was completely submerged in fluorinert. The N2 was used to cool the fluorinert (the N2 was inside tubes and the fluorinert was on the outside of the tubes).
Did you actually read the article?
One thing that needs to be addressed is providing common commands. Solaris and linux both have commands like 'ls', 'route', 'ifconfig', etc. , but the parameters for each are different enough to require looking up and re-learning the command.
Perhaps this is due to all the GNU extensions that standard Linux tools have.
Just a warning, in case anyone actually read this; the corrections this guy says are in fact incorrect.
http:// slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/06/28/0041238&mode= nested&threshold=3
That is such a dumb site! I'd like to post a public warning here. Forgetting for a moment that they failed to spell 'sex' correctly, from the amount of attention this site gets on Slashdot, you would expect at least a large amount of stuff on thie site.
However it has TWO PICTURES, a page of readers' letters, and THAT IS ALL. No links, no other stuff, no shit. The pictures are not very good anyway and they never even get rotated.
Boo!
Grr, slashdot keeps rejecting the post when HTML-formatted. Typical bugs in lame code. Oh well, you will have to stick with that.