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Linux 2.2.17 Released
Paul Weaver was among the hoardes to note that Linux 2.2.17 has been officialy released at the usual places. So take some time out from trying to compile 2.4 test releases and update the boxes that need stable kernels.
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um...did I miss something? I though debian 2.2 shipped with kernel 2.2.17...
Alan Cox couldn't wait for the sluggish Linus, and he released the 2.2.18-pre series (pre-1 and pre-2) against the 2.2.17-pre20.
Now that 2.2.17 is official, where does 2.2.18-pre series stand ?
I think the question I want to ask is this:
Is the official 2.2.17 exactly the same as
2.2.17-pre20 ?
May you be well and happy.
if it's not in there now, http://www.linux-ide.org
As soon as I go to school I will have a 10mbit connection to the internet so I have been holding off on the new modem.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
No doubt - 2.4 test4 gave me problems (wouldn't make bzImage) but 2.4 test7 runs just peachy. Lots of great stuff in there too. I just wish DRI support for my Matrox G400 was in there. It is "grayed out" so it will be there soon, but not as yet...
Joe,
My sarcasm was definitely getting in the way. I had considered using the 4sp6 to 4.6 analogy, but I got a little too carried away with my rant. I've got to come down my almost knee jerk reaction to statements such as...
No, It's not linus's fault that Microsoft makes shitty products and only releases them every few years
I see these kinds of blanket statements about any product I just smell troll spirit in the air. What's of major concern is how statements like this are for more favorable for MS in the long run.
Anyhow, thanks for the clarification to my post.
The line must be drawn here. This far. No further.
Bah, i havn't even been able to get a ppp connection with the 2.4.0-test(x) kernels, and the 2.4 pppd. The best bit is, pppd 2.4 works fine with kernel 2.2.16. I'm damned if i can figure it out. :/
Syllable : It's an Operating System
Could still be, it aint summer down here yet...
Hush. Some of us don't have time to read through the avalanche at Freshmeat, stable kernel announcements are relatively rare, and useful. If you don't like it, please take use of that wonderful feature someone put on your keyboard: the 'down' arrow.
Well I've got a "classic" Athlon 750 and a 56k modem... only the phone lines 'round here are so shitty that 28.8 is akin to winning the lottery for me.
I'd have to agree... at this point I don't have any systems that I can consider as "spare" boxes. I installed FreeBSD (and winders, on another drive) on my "power geek" system, an Athlon 750, and that leaves my Linux laptop for production use. (Things such as email, web browsing, IRC, etc) On the laptop I've got Mandrake 7.0 (with many upgrades) with a 2.2.14 kernel and everything works beautifully.
And I KNOW from EXPERIENCE that whenever I go upgrading something that ain't broke, it gets broke in a hurry.
Thinking of putting together a homebrew Linux system alongside windows on the second drive, though, just to see if I can do it.
Actually, I don't think the posters are all that much worse, either. There's a somewhat higher percentage of idiots, but moderation's made it easier to filter them out, too.
Similarly, I think Katz is an idiot, but the addition of the user preferences to keep me from ever seeing his [rant deleted] column again fixed that.
Steven E. Ehrbar
Simple. Because Linus prefer the current way. The kernel is his piece of software.
2.4.0test8pre4 just ate my linux-kernel mailbox. *sniffle*
Oh and hey you've got the same name as my PC (give or take an e).
So is your PC "wintermute" or "wintrmut"?
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Just bought some of Intel's i815 motherboards with on-board ethernet. Unfortunately, 2.2.16 does not have a driver for the Intel® 82562ET 10/100 Mbit/sec Platform LAN that comes built into the motherboards (optional of course). From what I read on newsgroups support could be added with a patch or two to the 2.2.16 kernel since the chip is based on popular ethernet cards using tulip drivers, but unfortunately I don't possess enough Linux Karma to get that to work yet. Anyway, now that 2.2.17 is out hopefully RedHat will be releasing some new RPMs soon and I can get my ethernet to work, and if they don't.. well I'll just have to get down n' dirty and make RedHat and my 2.2.17 kernel play nice ;)
JOhn
Campaign for Liberty
depends how drunk I am :)
~ppppppppö
Well, I'll go ahead and say why it was important for me, at least this time around... I wanted to start a homebrew Linux setup, but I was waiting for 2.2.17 to be released. And now it is. And thanks to
So there, naysayers. This human was satisfied. I'm not into all that anime stuff as much as everyone else here.
heh. and yet you get irritated at my same knee jerk reaction to someone even asking whether or not a new kernel is news (of course it is).
;-)
Unfortunately, i didn't make myself as clear as i should have. No, a new kernel is not the same thing as a full OS upgrade (Anyone who knows about the whole RMS GNU/Linux debacle realizes this)...however, it is a signifigant change for the community, whether the newer kernel offers signifigant increases in performance gains or new features, or just boils down to a "penis envy" competition. "Hey, i've got 2.2.17!"
However, considering that slashdot's track record has shown that it is much more closely aligned with the open-source community, and would seem to advocate *nix over windows (in general) would certainly make this kernel release a highly newsworthy story.
No, a new kernel and a SP are not the same, but they are closer than i originally noted.
and M$ still makes shitty products
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -David Hume
Warning: The DELL/AMI Megaraid driver in 2.2.16 and .17 is unstable and may crash with console message "Mailbox locked" on heavy load. See thread on the linux-kernel mailing list.
AARP is part of the AppleTalk protocol suite. It's basically AppleTalk ARP. (ARP is used on Ethernet and other LAN's, to correspond IP addresses with hardware addresses. AARP uses AppleTalk addresses instead of IP addresses.)
Dr. Demento On The 'Net!
http://slashdot.org/articles/98/1 1/15/1120246.shtml gives a randomly chosen article from Nov 98
Follow the links. See for yourself.
For more details, see On Mindcraft's April 1999 Benchmark.
Troll? How is this a troll?
Which part is the troll? The penguin pee or linus' announcement part?
geez, I'm being called a troll by someone with a use id # that's 10x mine!
I just like Linus' humurous announcements. He's a cool guy and all. You know?
Larry McVoy was reported to be working on some uber-version-control setup to help out Linus
(BitMover or something like that).
Did anything ever come out of that?
...and pppd 2.4.0 as well. With 2 X 56K modems my 486 gateway will do 10-15K/sec on file transfers, and up to 25-30K for highly compressable data (text, etc). I'm connecting to a Cisco AS5300.
I had problems getting versions of 2.4 prior to test5 to even boot on my 486.
-- I speak only for myself.
I had the same problem until I compiled ppp into the kernel, and not as a module...
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for the record (since you've probably done it by now), make oldconfig;make dep, then the usual compile stuff is all you have to do. With 2.2 kernels, you don't have to make dep after every reconfig, but you have to after major changes that affect dependencies. (which can happen when you go to a new version.)
#define X(x,y) x##y
#define X(x,y) x##y
Peter Cordes ; e-mail: X(peter@cordes ,
a service pack isn't really the equivalent of a kernel update.
Come again? A series of fixes, upgrades, and patches to the underlying kernel of Linux is in someway different than the exact same thing for the kernel on NT?
In it's essence, a kernel upgrade is basically a new version of linux coming out.
Now the kernel IS the operating system? Umm, I don't tink so quiksdraw.
Being that you hear about it on slashdot whenever a new version of windows comes out - then this kernel release *does* qualify as news
Are you at all familiar with what a service pack for NT or Win2k is, what it includes, what it upgrades? Your post would already indicate an answer.
No, It's not linus's fault that Microsoft makes shitty products and only releases them every few years.
Ahh, so it's MS that's the bunch of dummies. Now I get it, thanks.
The line must be drawn here. This far. No further.
Oh the agony - having to decide which to do first - post a comment on slashdot or download the source!
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I've been running 2.4.0-testx for quite a while, without any problems. It's easier than trying to patch 2.2.16 to cover everything!
...Corruption in the goat herd Flesh crumbles in the real world.
I have made two successive attempts to build from separate downloads (full 2.2.17 tar.bz2 file). Both terminated with an error message saying EOL is not on correct boundary and file can't be unpacked.
Alan Cox actually said that in his release notes...
its 2.2.17-pre20 without the pre20 tag
I think it's actually a pretty interesting idea, so it doesn't deserve to be marked as offtopic.
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shit. tonight i finally decided to work the kinks out of my 2.2.16 compile. well, I did it. while i test out the cdrecorder that is now working, I decide to visit slashdot....oh well.
a post like this deserves a sig
-andy de los reyes
just understant that your mother is quite obese
Actually, i was speaking to a guy on IRC last night, who also had kernel panics on a Duron. The kernel for the Redhat installer worked fine though. I don't know if he managed to fix the problem (He was compiling a 2.2.16 kernel on another machine to try when i left him). Seems to be some sort of problem with 2.2.x & Duron/Socket A motherboards...
Syllable : It's an Operating System
it could take a long time (actually, depending on how many people know how to get ATA/100 to work and willing to write the code for the kernel)
for ATA/66, i had to pass kernel params to get it to work, and only at a slow, ATA/33 speed.
applying patches to 2.2.x kernels, as well as using 2.3.x kernels claming to support my ATA/66 board (HPT366), wouldn't work (DMA problems?). it was only when i tried 2.4.0-test5 that it finally worked (i haven't touched anything between 2.3.34 and 2.3.99-pre, soo...)
then again, it could really just be the DMA problem that prevented me from properly using my ATA/66 to it's full potential under linux
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If you are going to troll at least try to do a decent job of it...
Linus is a nice guy. He really is.
But there's a touch of ego going on here; if he were to put the kernel in CVS, like the FreeBSD guys do, then he would lose a certain amount of control over who gets what and when.
Linus is quoted as saying "Think of me as CVS with brains", which tells you everything you need to know about his attitude to source control.
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Thanks for the tip. This is the problem I ran into.
until (succeed) try { again(); }
until (succeed) try { again(); }
Yeah, yeah - and besides that, it has lots of slashes and dots in it!
-- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
eh? Solaris sucks (IMO) cos all the tools are 10 years out of date. Windows/Linux are more on the bleeding/cuttingedge, although stability suffers a lot/little.
hip hip horay!
hip hip horay!
hip hip horay!
Alan Cox is doing good work for the stable series 2.2.x which most people use.
I wonder if he will support 2.4 when it goes into the stable series?
Hope Linus stops anything else getting added to 2.4; debug it and get it out. The rest can go in 2.5/2.6.
that looks like the output of uname...
I haven't heard of any nasty security issues in 2.2.16 so maybe I'll just wait on this one.
:wq
Hey, has anyone else been having mouse problems with the XFree86 distro in Debian 2.2? Anytime I'm do something CPU-intensive (esp. working with large files in The GIMP), the mouse gets jerky as hell and even seems to register mouse events that aren't happening (sudden erratic movement and clicks). I've never had this problem in the past and it's weirding me out. Perhaps I should download the latest unpatched 3.* from XFree86 along with the new kernel.
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Preach on brother (or sister... can't tell with AC ;).. the anime kinda pushed me over the boat there. Cool stuff that is scientific is nice, but anime?! WTF? Wish I had some moderator points to, but I posted a comment already..
JOhn
Campaign for Liberty
Just go with W2K - it is much better than any linux out there. Put your computer to good use.
That's an awfully serious accusation to be levelling against the likes of Alan. Please list reliable sources, 'cuz this is the story of the year if you can prove it.
Given that Redhat funded development of the TUX webserver, which requires 2.4 for it's fundamental operation, I'm not gonna put much stock in it though...
I've been using my custom compiled 2.2.15 kernel for quite some time now. I have usb support using the usb-backport stuff so that my usb webcam and intellieye mouse works. I've got the pcmcia package so that my ethernet card and modem works. I use reiserfs and I have the appropriate reiser patch for this kernel revision. This is a laptop so I shouldn't really be concerning myself with speed issues since I'm the only user on the system all the time. Unless this kernel patches some major security holes, why should I get this new kernel?
Is there something new with this kernel or with the new 2.4 series of kernels that would want to make me compile a new kernel?
Bios updates for motherboards come out every so often, and people always feel the need to have the newest bios on their system. But if everything works perfectly, there should be no reason to flash the bios. If everything on my computer is supported by my current kernel, why should I feel the need to update my kernel?
catch23
The x.x.x-xxxx are usually verndor specific patchs that have been applied to the kernel.
As the Anonymous Coward pointed out - Take care the last link could cause you some embarrassment in the office. *pron*. Someone Moderate that Coward!
Pauvre petit.
:wq
Linux is not that, it is propelled by a new market now that is not the server market alone. New drivers are being made, new features, ect ect. If your OS performs on most server hardware just fine, and it is going nowhere but the server market, then updating rarely is okay.
Linux has a different ideal however, that has never been denied, and chasing that ideal means rampant development. If you want to observe the more conservative Linux side of the tree, use 2.0.xx, updates there are rare, and many people are still using that for its hardened stability.
Comparing different OSes that cater to different markets and ideals does not work.
V
The world is SUPPOSED to present you with surprises, and you're SUPPOSED to modify your world-view based on those things. To deny being surprised by the world is to calcify your world-view. That's dangerous.
Filtering your news is close to filtering those surprises. It may be a valid argument that filtering Katz is not the same as filtering news. Still, I enjoy some Katz articles, though I frequently only skim them.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Perhaps the /. site html is deemed as a good benchmark site for opera.
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Hate to rain on your party, but according to Linus, they still have a way to go to catch up with 2.0. He says the first few 4.0 will not have the ideal VM balance. The hard part is dealing with all the different usage patterns in a sane manner...
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Yes, the scaling issues have been fixed in 2.4.
:)
The scheduler has been completely reworked as has the SMP stability.
The 2.4 kernel although does not have everything in it, is the first kernel to truly address some enterprise level concerns.
It even includes RAW devices for databases
Get your PostgreSQL here: http://www.commandprompt.com/
The deal is that there is always something that somebody things is unworthy of coverage. The hardcore linux guys deride Mac coverage, the mac folks are bored with "rms catches a cold: says 'linukths'" stories, Amiga nuts think it's unfair Quake has it's own category, javaheads think c# gets too much air time, space junkies think anime is a waste, everyone hates the book reviews... yatta yatta.
For a significant portion of readers, this is news. Period. If your don't care about it, don't read it... if you really don't care about it, go to your prefs and ditch the penguin picture
2 1337 4 u!
I'd like to start this by saying that I am NOT speaking for Red Hat in this, but for myself.
/from it/ to the 2.2.x series, so that it doesn't fall too far behind.
I started working at Red Hat about 2 months ago, and I can say that since I have been here, I've been continually impressed by the extent to which everyone works to make sure everything works. No one EVER talks about steering development 'backwards', as its damn hard enough keeping it going forwards.
Now, the 2.4.0 kernel is a BIG deal, it is a big change, and it will save the world, clean your laundry, get you dates, clear up your acne, etc, etc. But it is not finnished. Period. There is more to do on it, and while work continues on it, some code is backported
But should Red Hat wait until 2.4? How about KDE 2.0, or Gnome 2.0, or Gimp 2.0, or Jargon 3.0? How long do you wait, for what? They can't, they have to make sure that the software that they put the stamp on is as uptodate as it reasonably can be, while simultaneously being as stable, and as compatible.
And how can you seriously believe that Red Hat is purposely steering development to slow the advent of the 2.4 kernel? Did you see the Slashdot article about Tux? That is a 2.4 kernel based webserver, something that is VERY cool, and it'd be great for Red Hat if it worked out of the box. But it doesn't, cause 2.4 is not finnished.
If you really have issues with the speed of the development cycle of 2.4, help the kernel developers.
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#include <disclaimer.h>
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#include <disclaimer.h>
I have to download the 16.7 meg kernel for a readme file!
Couldnt
Please a little more info on the news stories please...
I'm a linux user, not a kernel developer, need the info...
Brook Harty
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I'm running 2.4-test7.
IMNSHO I doubt it's worth the upgrade from Potato's "2.2.17" to the real 2.2.17. Myself, I'm not touching Debian's kernel until 2.4 is released. My Slack box is currently running 2.2.16 with Unified IDE and it's probably going to wait for 2.4 as well. Wonder when we can hope to get it. November, maybe? Hopefully before the end of the year. 2.4 is all I want for Xmas. (Well, that and a Yopy.)
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These features might have serious impact on existing source code, creating new bugs and incompatibilities etc. Shouldn't 2.3/2.4 tree be the one where new features are developed?
I was also quite unpleased, when I found that RedHat didn't build Pinstripe (7.0beta) around 2.4. It's not that building a distribution around old, stable software is a bad idea, but when we're dumping all kinds of new features into 2.2 series, it just don't make sense that distributors (like RedHat) stay in 2.2 release and don't push 2.4 as an up-n-coming standard for Linux kernel.
We have yet to see a distribution or a beta which is built around 2.4 series. Shouldn't beta releases be tested so that bugs could be ironed out and stable software would appear in the release version? This kind of delaying is not good for Linux evolvement on business side, if thinking about RedHat and others. I think they'd really need to push 2.4 development so that it'd be ready ASAP for bigger businesses demanding SMP code, clustering, high availability and such features.
-- whitmer
fluxrad said:
Metrol replied:
Well, you're both right on some points but wrong on others. fluxrad is right that a SP is not the same as a kernel upgrade, and Metrol is right that a Linux kernel update doesn't update the whole OS. (FWIW, Metrol seems to have a better idea of what's going on here... not sure if sarcasm is getting in the way here. :-)
A Windows Service Pack upgrades the kernel as well as a large number of system DLLs and utilities. It's effectively a point release of the OS by another name. (eg. In a different world, NT4SP6 might've been named NT 4.6. My personal theory is that changes in version number need to go through more approval processes than a "service pack" might at a large number of big, stodgy companies.) The major architecture of the OS doesn't typically change between SP's, but the SP touches just about everything.
In contrast, a Linux kernel upgrade touches just the kernel. No system libraries, no utilities, no user-land drivers, just the kernel. It is not an OS-wise upgrade.
This bears repeating: By itself, the Linux kernel is not an OS. The Linux kernel plus a usable userland environment is.
I think the main reason 2.2.17 is out as compared to some of the other revs of Linux 2.2.x is that 2.2.17 has been a long time coming. And to think I just installed 2.2.17pre20. Anyone have diffs between 2.2.17pre20 and 2.2.17final?
--Joe--
Program Intellivision!
Was hidden away within the comments of the /. article. http://www.logorrhea.com/cuecat/mirrors.html
Uhm, could someone explain what it is to a mere mortal who is a bit lost within all these cripty acronyms.
DRM: Directory Resource Management?
AARP: Automatic something ?
Help!
I've been using my custom compiled 2.2.15 kernel for quite some time now. ... Unless this kernel patches some major security holes, why should I get this new kernel?
IIRC, 2.2.16 patched some sort of security hole.
well - a service pack isn't really the equivalent of a kernel update. In it's essence, a kernel upgrade is basically a new version of linux coming out. Being that you hear about it on slashdot whenever a new version of windows comes out - then this kernel release *does* qualify as news
No, It's not linus's fault that Microsoft makes shitty products and only releases them every few years.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -David Hume
Why is there no code versioning system for the Linux kernel? Will there ever be, ie. will the devtree be moved to some kind of CVS in the future?
I never dared to ask, thinking there's an obvious reason why there is no CVS for Linux, but I'm not so sure anymore. I sure would like to be able to browse the code without having to download the whole thing.
Sigged!
Actually we have seen a beta built around the 2.4 pres, The mandrake 7.2 that was just released. I agree with RedHat's decision to put a 2.4 in 7.0, They have a product almost ready to ship in a hopefully stable state. By the time 7.1 rolls around 2.4 will have a couple point releases under it's belt and will probably ship with 7.1. If for some reason they don't want a new kernel in a point release, RedHat can ship an 8.0 with the possibly released GNOME 1.4 and the new GPL Open Office suite.
I don't think that releasing an upgrade with a 2.4 would be much of an issue though. I seem to remember Bero saying that the main identifier of a .0 release was breaking binary compatibility, which most certainly isn't going to happen with a new kernel. Pinstripe (7.0 beta) is already compiled against the 2.4 headers even though it runs on a 2.2 (2.2.17-pre1[[0-9]).
treke
Usually with Bios updates comes increased speed and stability, and support for devices that weren't around when the motherboard was manufactured. I would assume the same applies to kernel versions, which is also why people want the "latest and greatest." I know I had to flash my bios twice to get optimum performance and stability out of my system, which has a record uptime of 10 days with windows 98. Some sort of a record I would imagine. Anyway, back on to the topic at hand, if you're satisfied with the way your computer works, don't download the new kernel. I however am never satisfied with the way my computer is working and always try to bleed more stability/performance/capability out of it, so I flash my bios, download the latest version of everything and that's the way I like it.
cheese logs keep my wang warm at night.
after ranting about "flashing your bios" for a half-screen I think you should change it too...
2 1337 4 u!
Well, a better "summary" is at Alan's page here.
Yeah, I've had that prob. Not with deb tho'. With SuSE 6.2. I think it's my old cirrus logic graphics. It hasn't happened so far with the new linbox I'm building with an HIS Rage IIc video card. Mind you, the old box is a 486 and I'm running KDE and StarOffice, which is probably more than that box can handle.
Yuri
Show me a fossil of a half-evolved eye.
You make the mistake of thinking you can educate the fundamental stupidity out of people. You can't.
Which is why i asked why it WAS NOT labelled x.x.x-xxxx.
it's called 2.2.17
Nothing more, nothing less.
Linux dev 2.2.17 #1 Sun Jun 25 09:24:41 EST 2000 i586 unknown
9:55am up 3 days, 23:26, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
The Kernel is dated June 25th...and as you can see the box have been up for 4 days now.
Got installed a few hours before the last reboot.
So, do you do anything to contribute to the kernel development ?
:-)
If not, I don't see how you can complain about what others do! If you do, then the people to ask will already know you and your concerns, right ?
Are you a shareholder in Redhat ? Do you therefore have any say in what they should(n't) do ? If so, take your complaint to them.
It's a shame, but a lot of people on slashdot seem to think they have some god-given right to order the world as they see fit. Maybe 'I'm not the centre of the universe' classes should be compulsory before net.access is granted (note: I am not being serious here, for the humour-impaired
Physicists get Hadrons!
I just went through the comments on this thread, and it seems like a new kernel release is just not the big thing anymore. I think that is actually in a way great news for linux.... ppl. are happy with what they have ( well there will always be those who have to bitch ) but for the most ppl. the new kernel dont bring that much more. I think we have now started hitting that point in the curve where the marginal returns from new code in 2.2.x series just dont cut it!
Jeezzz.... i mean check out the old theads Linux 2.2 Released
Damn dude, i am actually pretty excited to get back to work tommorow so i can see the new support for the intel 810 chipsets sound card that dell seems to like so much.. damn idiots, for a 4000 dollar machine you think they would put somthing better than the Cm34... whatever Crystal sound chip... and hell its freaking impossible to get winblows users (who order the machines) to get the live option!!!
hmm maybe we are all keeping our excitement (and refreshments.. whatever you may prefer) for the 2.4 final.
Non-Deterministic Finite Automata
Will work for bandwidth!
Oh, wait a second...
I heard the 2.2 series had serious scaling problems under heavy load, but I can not remember the cause. Does anyone know if these problems have been addressed in the newer 2.4 series? This really worries me, considering 2.0 outperforms 2.2 under heavy load in many cases. Could someone a little more knowledgable about the situation reply...
Downloaded and compiled great. I even applied the cuecat-0.0.8 patch for 2.2.16, and it worked flawless (see earlier /. articals if you have no idea what patch I am talking about). Actually, I wonder if it is two late to work the scanner into 2.4.....(grinning at the powers that be).
My Linux box crashed today after 56 days of uptime. (Quite mysteriously indeed, I just pressed Shift and boom, the boot texts came immediately but that's not important) I then waited the machine to check quite uncleanly unmounted partitions and when I started irc, my friend MSG'ed me and told that 2.2.17 is out. I had planned to wait until next hardware upgrade to compile the whatever-to-be version of that time, but now I have no uptime to lose! ;)
Somehow I almost could think that my machine subtly noticed that 2.2.17 is out and it's really time to upgrade old and buggier 2.2.13, and decided to make the point clear to me. ;)
Everyone who makes generalizations should be shot.
Cool, that means that Linus officially blessed it with the Holy penguin pee! :)
Where's Linus' announcement?
- Download the patch
- Use my bzipped kernel source and make a clean kernel tree
- Apply the 2.2.17 patch
- Apply the IDE patch (needed for ATA66)
- Apply the USB backport patch
- Apply the raid patch
- Recompile
Fortunately, recompiling only takes 2 minutes, but still...Linus and Alan - I love you, but please just finish 2.4 !
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
No, because then the front page would be simply filled with Micros~1 service pack and hotfix announcements.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Why do I see people who have clearly been reading slashdot for less than a year saying that a stable kernel release isn't slashdot material? There was a time when 10% of all the slashdot news was kernel releases.
Besides, what harm does it do you? Shut up and stop bitching at Rob 'n' crew.
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Can anyone tell me why? Is there something fundamentally wrong with this patch that prevents it from being merged into the standard kernel? I cant boot except through my Promise card supported UDMA 66 bus, so it is very annoying to have to get a patch from elsewhere, patch the kernel and then recompile.
There is no such thing as luck. Luck is nothing but an absence of bad luck.
How in gods name do I update my configuration?
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/defconfig doesn't seem to work -at a glance-. I don't suppose our illustrious kernel hackers have made a utility or some sort of a script that will allow us to update easily. I'm currently using 2.2.14 and I've heard that anything below 2.2.16 has some security holes, so me thinks its time to upgrade.
Previously I have simply had two windows open and just made sure they looked the same.. This works... works well in fact, but lordy its a pain. There must be another way?
Copying
- Xabbu
- Jimbob
I'll keep this brief, Slashdot is not about "us geeks" it's about what rob malda finds interesting. This does not include NT, but does include linux, I personally think both have their place and try to stay as operating system agnostic as possible, but you can't expect everyone to do the same. Slashdot has ALWAYS been about what Rob Malda finds interesting, and judging by your user number you should know that.
cheese logs keep my wang warm at night.
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The reason new features are being added to the stable series is largely to keep the 2.2.x kernels able to support recently improved features (new and updated hardware drivers, tuned algorithms, etc). If it weren't for this, then we'd be stuck with a kernel that required massive patching to support any newer hardware or improved features. Additionally, since the changes are relatively not very intrusive, and are pretty thoroughly tested in the -dev tree, the people running production boxes on 2.2.x kernels can be confident that the kernel is still solid, even with the new features.
;)
The reason 2.x.x *appears* to be incrementing more rapidly than 2.4.x in some areas is because all the cool new stuff (RAID code, USB, PCMCIA, etc ad infinitum...) has been in development (2.3.x) for a long time, and has been pretty thoroughly wrung out. In other words, all the initial "hard work" has largely been done. It's finally been deemed stable in the 2.4 series, and is now being backported for the benefit of those less adventurous souls (like me) who prefer a well-used, known-good kernel (2.2.x) on production systems, but want the benefit of some new features. The same thing happened with backports of 2.2 features into the 2.0.37+ kernels, even after 2.2 was released. Instead of a massive overhaul, with an entirely new kernel architecture to deal with, you get the shiny new stuff (new hardware support, bugfixes, and tuneups) and still get to stay with the tried-and-true kernel you're used to using.
That's likely why RedHat is developing their next distro to 2.2.x, *not* 2.4. After all, 2.4 is still considered a moving target at this point, and is extremely difficult to develop to (Alan Cox mentioned this in a recent diary entry). If you've got an entire distro to worry about, best to keep it with the currently stable and well-known 2.2 kernel, instead of a constantly-changing 2.4-test kernel.
Besides, if you really want to be cutting edge, go get slackware or rabbid squirrel and build your own distro with whatever software versions you want. This is Free software, after all -- if you've got an itch, scratch it!
You mean to tell me there's a newer kernel out now than 1.2.13?! ;-)
-- Soruk
I bought a linux box off a friend, nearly a week ago, and it had 2.2.17 kernel and source on it
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1042807 Aug 31 01:21 vmlinuz-2.2.17
(that's it)
what gives?
No, it's not a groundbreaking release. But it was released, and it is news, and this is (at least partially) a news site for people who are interested in this sort of news.
Now piss off.
If you are going to ask "why is it on the front page?" the least you could do would be to show a point why it should not be. Otherwise you aren't really contributing anything to the discussion. ./'ers use Linux and want to discuss what's new and what sucks in the forums.
And here is a reason for why it should be on: The majority of
Buying a Dell computer is equivalent to dropping the soap in a prison shower.
One of my boxes at work (a converted RedHat box), got Debian Potato installted a few days ago.
Its been running 2.2.17 for a few days already. hmm.
Anyone know why its not labelled as 2.2.17-something?
Does anyone know if this release has full support for ATA/100? I really want to put linux on my shiny new 800MHz Tbird, however, I really don't want to waste my time downloading over my 28.8 modem only to find no support for my computer.
Seriously, Win2k and Win98 do not support ATA/100 without 3rd party drivers. It would be nice if Linux could get ahead of the game with this.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
Should slashdot also announce microsoft service packs as well?
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I say Rob should pull out a week's worth of Classic Slashdot, from a couple years ago, and post it somewhere. We could then compare the content of THEN with the content of NOW.
/. for a few years now, and I prefer to read a new kernel announcement, where I can pickup tidbits like "it screwed my ext2" or "won't boot on my 8-way Celery bawx" than read about how Bill Gates just hired Larry Ellison to clean his indoor pool!
I've been reading
I agree. I come to slashdot because I want to stay informed. It needn't be groundbreaking, but I think a new stable kernel affects many of us who run / admin Linux boxen.
If slashdot wouldn't have reported on the new kernel, when would I have found out? Not that I check kernel.org everyday, and edge.kernelnotes.org are so behind it's not even funny!
Figured it out... :)
/usr/src/linux/.config file to my new linux src directory the running 'make oldconfig'.
:) Thank god this isn't a mission critical box.
I think.
I found a small reference in the README to copying my
This method prompted me for any new features that have been added and I'm assuming it will compile.
Can anyone confirm that this is correct? Before I install this kernal remotely and reboot, dooming my machine to be down for 6 hours while I wait till I get home
- Xabbu
- Jimbob
800MHz Thunderbird with ATA/100 and a 28.8 modem?
um... what's wrong with this picture?
2.2.17 fixes some silly bug that caused SMP machines to crash when plugging in a ps2 mouse. This bug was introduced in 2.2.16 and its stopped me from playing q3! ...until now.
-Stype
Bus error -- driver executed.
Does this get moderated down, since the poster admits to using a M$ product, or does is get moderated up since it's knocking M$ (in some small way) by talking about their inability to make an usable website?
I'm calling my bookie on the odds here.
ohhh boy, that was uncalled for... but it was dang funny... I would like more references to command line options and maybe a MAN page to look at the different fags (flags) for a command.
- Improve AARP handling (Alistair Riddell)
AARP? isn't that the Old Folks [retirement] thing or another?
"sorry grandpa, your arthritis aside, you really DO need a 3 button mouse. maybe the AARP can suggest one for you"
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
Absolutely. Many uf us "geeks" run NT on some systems (not really by choice, but hey). It would be nice if Slashdot reported on NT Server / Win2000 service pack releases. Microsoft's website is soooo difficult to navigate that having that info here on slashdot would be a big asset!
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The windows 98 ( well, ME these days ) of the unix world....