Well regardless of how easy it may be to install ATi drivers on linux, the drivers themselves blow. Ati card performance on linux is horrible, if you actually want to get a decent card for gaming in Linux (good bye Loki, we will miss you and SDL) get a nvidia card. Alot of my friends with high end gaming machines also run linux under a partition and the general conclusion from everyone is that ATI's are the worst possible cards for Linux. Not so much dueto the hardware of the card (even though nvidia cards are faster), but because the ATI drivers are shit.
Well, whether its a troll, you just made a point in his favor. Your....server....has been up 292 days. And since you run a server, its a safe bet you know alot more than average joe smith who uses the computer to check his hotmail and look at porn(average comp user). Linux is undeniably great in server market, the real war that going on is the desktop war, and thats where Linux is falling short. These issues arent brought to the forefront in a attempt to bash Linux, but more to push the people involved to fix them.
Well, this argument has been something that has been whispered about but seldom brought into the open. Linux is a powerful tool, but at the same time, its a private toy for those who got involved before the "L" word was a buzz word.
The Linux community needs to decide what they want....to keep their toy the way it is, or to seriously make some changes and try to take the market.
If people dont want to make the changes, thats fine with me, but no one can then go and complain that MS has the desktop market in its pocket. Windows is poor in a huge manner of respects, but one thing that everyone seems to miss out on is the people its designed for. It is designed for the average user. The average computer user is the kind of person who think a cd rom drive is a built in cup holder (you people in tech support know what im talking about). A person like that will not be comfortable or use Linux in its present state.....period.
Things that we take for granted as being over simple and easy or out of reach for most avaerage users. Those people are the market, you want to win the desktop war, you have to win those people.
Another aspect for winning the desktop war is games....Loki's gone, what now? The PC has quickly become the most common gaming platform and is no longer seen as a work tool, its your new entertainment center. Until Linux gets a decent library of games and new games, not just old converts of windows games, Linux winning the desktop war wont happen. --------- As for the actual topic of the thread, whats the big deal about open source and why does everyone hate Microsoft? I hear Linux fans praising Mac all the time, they arent open source. This seems very hypocritical to me. The key to for a future business model in this arena in my opinion is open spec. Why not? If a company's entire lively hood depends on their code base and they want to protect it, whats wrong with that? What do you or I care if we see the code, if its open spec, we can still work with it, talk to it and everything can play nice together. Thats what matters in the end, from what i hear, thats the root of most beefs people have with microsoft products, not being able to work with it correctly. Before you bash microsoft for being close source, think about how you were talking about how cool the G4 is just 10 minutes ago and for just a moment, try and side step your own hypocricsy.
--this is a general argument, not aimed at any one person.
True, but the only problem with that argument is that bundled Netscape isnt a great product. Perhaps if Netscape still rocked we could cut them some slack...
I dunno, When I was younger, my Father (USMC) would bring MRE's with us when we went camping to eat and I never found one or saw one that had candy in it.....maybe the marine versions sucked, or maybe they were just older versions or something. Who knows.
While one might not agree with views of radicals and such that would post such hatful material on the net, a person must still look at the general principles of freedom. A person has the right to say or post what he wants. Just imagine Nazi germany, if radicals are in control of the government and what your saying goes against the majority (no matter how hateful their message might be), they could make the same argument for locking you up. Those who would stifle other peoples opinion just cause it goes against a persons sense of "right or wrong" are hypocrite's.
Am I the only on who finds this scary?
With all the things that the scientific community could be working on to benefit the Human race (like making a dryer that drys my jeans in one cycle rather than 3), they instead focus their attention on a make believe world.
God help us.
Personally, after having a few of MRE's myself, I dont think MRE's will ever be good, no matter the ingredients. Have you ever noticed how you can never tell what MRE your eating by the taste of it? Brings a whole new meaning to "Mystery Meat".
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Heh, that and the fact that the performace of the cards dont match nvidia's, except perhaps on DVD playback...
Well regardless of how easy it may be to install ATi drivers on linux, the drivers themselves blow. Ati card performance on linux is horrible, if you actually want to get a decent card for gaming in Linux (good bye Loki, we will miss you and SDL) get a nvidia card. Alot of my friends with high end gaming machines also run linux under a partition and the general conclusion from everyone is that ATI's are the worst possible cards for Linux. Not so much dueto the hardware of the card (even though nvidia cards are faster), but because the ATI drivers are shit.
Well, whether its a troll, you just made a point in his favor. Your....server....has been up 292 days. And since you run a server, its a safe bet you know alot more than average joe smith who uses the computer to check his hotmail and look at porn(average comp user). Linux is undeniably great in server market, the real war that going on is the desktop war, and thats where Linux is falling short. These issues arent brought to the forefront in a attempt to bash Linux, but more to push the people involved to fix them.
Well, this argument has been something that has been whispered about but seldom brought into the open. Linux is a powerful tool, but at the same time, its a private toy for those who got involved before the "L" word was a buzz word.
The Linux community needs to decide what they want....to keep their toy the way it is, or to seriously make some changes and try to take the market.
If people dont want to make the changes, thats fine with me, but no one can then go and complain that MS has the desktop market in its pocket. Windows is poor in a huge manner of respects, but one thing that everyone seems to miss out on is the people its designed for. It is designed for the average user. The average computer user is the kind of person who think a cd rom drive is a built in cup holder (you people in tech support know what im talking about). A person like that will not be comfortable or use Linux in its present state.....period.
Things that we take for granted as being over simple and easy or out of reach for most avaerage users. Those people are the market, you want to win the desktop war, you have to win those people.
Another aspect for winning the desktop war is games....Loki's gone, what now? The PC has quickly become the most common gaming platform and is no longer seen as a work tool, its your new entertainment center. Until Linux gets a decent library of games and new games, not just old converts of windows games, Linux winning the desktop war wont happen.
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As for the actual topic of the thread, whats the big deal about open source and why does everyone hate Microsoft? I hear Linux fans praising Mac all the time, they arent open source. This seems very hypocritical to me. The key to for a future business model in this arena in my opinion is open spec. Why not? If a company's entire lively hood depends on their code base and they want to protect it, whats wrong with that? What do you or I care if we see the code, if its open spec, we can still work with it, talk to it and everything can play nice together. Thats what matters in the end, from what i hear, thats the root of most beefs people have with microsoft products, not being able to work with it correctly. Before you bash microsoft for being close source, think about how you were talking about how cool the G4 is just 10 minutes ago and for just a moment, try and side step your own hypocricsy.
--this is a general argument, not aimed at any one person.
Personally, I wouldnt trust any business man unless he beat his monkey at least 3 times a day....
True, but the only problem with that argument is that bundled Netscape isnt a great product. Perhaps if Netscape still rocked we could cut them some slack...
Does anyone know what happened to Robotech? That was the coolest show and then I just didnt see it on cartoon network anymore...I mourned for weeks. :(
I dunno, When I was younger, my Father (USMC) would bring MRE's with us when we went camping to eat and I never found one or saw one that had candy in it.....maybe the marine versions sucked, or maybe they were just older versions or something. Who knows.
While one might not agree with views of radicals and such that would post such hatful material on the net, a person must still look at the general principles of freedom. A person has the right to say or post what he wants. Just imagine Nazi germany, if radicals are in control of the government and what your saying goes against the majority (no matter how hateful their message might be), they could make the same argument for locking you up. Those who would stifle other peoples opinion just cause it goes against a persons sense of "right or wrong" are hypocrite's.
Am I the only on who finds this scary? With all the things that the scientific community could be working on to benefit the Human race (like making a dryer that drys my jeans in one cycle rather than 3), they instead focus their attention on a make believe world. God help us.
Personally, after having a few of MRE's myself, I dont think MRE's will ever be good, no matter the ingredients. Have you ever noticed how you can never tell what MRE your eating by the taste of it? Brings a whole new meaning to "Mystery Meat".