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Marvel Universe Is Almost Like *Real Life* Society

TheMatt writes "Scientists at the University of the Balearic Isles have analyzed the Marvel Universe and found that it is almost like real society. The team studied the statistical properties of each character, the books they were in, and who else appeared in them (through resources like the MCP). While there were some similarities to real society, a close look revealed the artificiality. For example, the MU isn't very clustered, only 1.5x that of a random network; real life is about 10x more clustered. Of course, the realities of comics (the business) are why this occurs. Also, they found the most networked of all Marvel heroes was Steve Rogers, Captain America himself."

218 comments

  1. hmm by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

    so does that mean that the X-Men are like dot-com geeks? (powerful yet hated)

    1. Re:hmm by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

      "so does that mean that the X-Men are like dot-com geeks? (powerful yet hated)"

      Ummm, no.

      You see the X-Men have funding . . . .

      ::ducks::

    2. Re:hmm by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      bah. forgot to say "like they _were_"

    3. Re:hmm by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 2, Funny
      "so does that mean that the X-Men are like dot-com geeks? (powerful yet hated)"


      Ummm, no.


      You see the X-Men have funding . . . .


      Where do the X-Men get funding? Adventure capitalists?


      Man, if someone else said what I just said, I'd sure have to punch 'em!

    4. Re:hmm by xbrownx · · Score: 1, Informative

      Professor X is independently wealthy, I think his family was old-money.

    5. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diamonds I think. His step-brother's(Juggernaut) father was rich I believe and I believe he came from a priveleged background as well.

    6. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Professor what-ever-the-hell-his-name-is funds them privately with his company (prolly a dot com =P~~)

    7. Re:hmm by 3waygeek · · Score: 1

      Where do the X-Men get funding?

      From their name, I'd guess porn site operators.

    8. Re:hmm by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

      ::groans::

      Okay actualy I'm LMAO, heh.

      ::punts TYP in the general direction of the puns newgroup::

    9. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Where do the X-Men get funding? Adventure capitalists?

      Hehe, no one laughed at this.

  2. Stories like this by wiredog · · Score: 2, Funny
    Stories like this, on important social issues that must be addressed, are why I read slashdot.

    Why people are examining clusters in comics I don't know. Are they beowulf clusters of Marvel Superheroes? Or just load-sharing clusters of Marvel Superheroes?

    1. Re:Stories like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not let us moderate the stories as well as the comments , but with no limit to the moderation score a story can rack up? Then the people who really really care about this can spend mod points rather than posting whiny comments.

    2. Re:Stories like this by kavau · · Score: 1
      Those people should be awarded the IG Nobel Prize!!!

      The Ig Nobel Prizes honor people whose achievements "cannot or should not be reproduced."

      I'm gonna nominate them :-)

    3. Re:Stories like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer Minnie Mouse. There is just something about a girl that is constantly showing off her panties. Oh my. I've got to go now...

  3. yeah. by garcia · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson know this first hand. They should have asked them for some research material.

    1. Re:yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      morons. mod up. you obviously never watch movies. too much anime.

  4. Whewww!! by Art_XIV · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now this is the kind of science that I can enjoy, especially after Book Reviews: The Skeptical Environmentalist

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  5. OMFG by aardwolf64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While there were some similarities to real society, a close look revealed the artificiality

    I'm wondering just how much exactly they spent on this study just to find out that comic books are in fact based on real society? I think the only reason this would even be important to the slashdot community is to see how foolishly Universities spend their money. I could have told them that comic books contain artificial societies for only $100 probably saving them thousands...

    Any Universities needing useless information about comic books should make thier checks payable to aardWolf64, care of...

    1. Re:OMFG by FortKnox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I could have told them that comic books contain artificial societies for only $100 probably saving them thousands...

      I got you beat, in honor of Open Source, I woulda done it for FREE!

      You're right, though. How about putting that money into real research. Organizations like NASA get budget cuts while projects studying the Marvel Universe go on?
      Think about it!

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    2. Re:OMFG by dwarfviking · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm wondering just how much exactly they spent on this study just to find out that comic books are in fact based on real society? I think the only reason this would even be important to the slashdot community is to see how foolishly Universities spend their money. I could have told them that comic books contain artificial societies for only $100 probably saving them thousands...

      Well, the point of the research is: When you set up an artifical universe, with artifical character relationships, what networking properties emerge, and how, exactly, do they compare to the networking properties of the real society on which the artificial construct was based?

      The researchers probably don't give a flying fig about the Marvel Universe itself. It just happens to be a rich model (designed by someone else) which they're trying to use to figure out causes and principles of population interaction.

      Bjorn Christianson

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    3. Re:OMFG by aulendil · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering just how much exactly they spent on this study just to find out that comic books are in fact based on real society?

      Actually you've just showed why research is necessary... Youd did this by falling into the most common of traps, that is: what's obvious is true.

      I think most useful research is actually this, researching the obvious, because when things are obvious, you don't look for an explanation, because things couldn't be any other way than they are, because it's obvious.

      What I mean is, people don't look for an explanation for something that is clearly spelled in their face. They don't even think about why or how it could be otherwise...

    4. Re:OMFG by keflex · · Score: 0

      Yeah! NASA needs budget cuts too... who needs moon rocks?!

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    5. Re:OMFG by TheGreenLantern · · Score: 2

      Yeah, somewhere Stan Lee is laughing his ass off right about now at these researchers. Christ, call him up, he'll tell you all about how he (and others) conciously created their characters to mimic the real world. This has been a hallmark of Marvel comics for years, and is one of the major reasons they were able to make any progress at all against comic juggernaut DC.

      Shoot, just go watch Mallrats and find out all about it.

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    6. Re:OMFG by wheany · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm sure that all that money that was spent on researching comic books would have advanced space science, like, you know, a LOT. You know, there were probably hundreds of highly trained and well-paid scientists researching the comics. I bet they spent millions of dollars!

    7. Re:OMFG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, though. How about putting that money into real research. Organizations like NASA get budget cuts while projects studying the Marvel Universe go on?

      I've received funding to create a fictional world and then land on it. Isn't THAT a good career move ?

      :->
    8. Re:OMFG by CleverNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm wondering just how much exactly they spent on this study...

      Please, please, please tell me that money was diverted from an athletic program to fund this research.

      Poetic justice man.

      Poetic justice.

  6. explanation by flynt · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    would someone please explain what the hell this write up means to me. it appears something to do with comics, which i don't read. any info appreciated. thx.

    1. Re:explanation by Xerithane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's a translation:
      Marvel Comic book characters are modelled after real world social interactions. Such as Person A has Friend B who has a Friend C, at a 3rd degree of seperation. Person A is more likely to know Friend C, because of social clustering.

      All it is doing is showing a web of each characters connections and affiliations, similar to a six-degrees setup. Like Kevin Bacon.

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    2. Re:explanation by NecroPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is, of course, the Marvel First Meeting Corollary, which states that,

      "No matter how many friends/associates they have in common, the first meeting between two heroes commonly results in them fighting."

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    3. Re:explanation by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      That is accurately described as short-hero syndrome.

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  7. In other news... by somethingwicked · · Score: 1

    Geeks United concluded "Slashdot Is Almost Like *Real Life* Society" with hot grits, Natalie Portman dreams, Beowulf clusters and no women...

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  8. Looks like sombody got a fun research grant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where can I get one? :)
    -GReg

  9. Quote from the article by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Funny
    "It seems," say the researchers, "that Marvel writers did not assign characters to books in the same way as natural interactions would have done it."
    Sounds like we can say the same thing of university degrees in Spain.
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  10. 'nuff said by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 1

    What the hell happened to the Silver Surfer? ATTITUDE! The d00d had mucho attitude and attitude is what it's all aboot.

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  11. Not a good thing by fritter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Also, they found the most networked of all Marvel heroes was Steve Rogers, Captain America himself.
    Unfortunately, this research was responsible for the incredibly boring "Apocalypse Protection" series, when Captain America just tried to sell insurance to other superheroes for like 10 straight issues.

    1. Re:Not a good thing by owillis · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do you remember the series Damage Control about the people who cleaned up after superhero-related damage?

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    2. Re:Not a good thing by Colin+Winters · · Score: 2

      The best thing about Captain America: his voice on the Spiderman show was done by none other than David Hayter. If you don't know who David Hayter is, he did the voice of Solid Snake, and wrote X-men, and is basically my god.

      Colin Winters

  12. here's what I got out of it by 512k · · Score: 3, Informative

    they looked at 11k comic books, and noted which characters apeared in each book. They then came to the conclusion, that comic books do not folow the same rules as real life. Their research also showed, that there was a corelation between the size of the group, and the chance of a specific character showing up.

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  13. What? by NWT · · Score: 1

    What is the Marvel Universe supposed to be?

    - Remember: there is no stupid question :)

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    1. Re:What? by Heywood+Yabuzof · · Score: 1


      Well you probably have already read some of the other comments (or, amazingly enough, the article itself) that would answer your question, but just in case, they are referring to the comic book characters that exist in comic books from a company called "Marvel" - Spiderman, Captain America, The Hulk, etc. (and not Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. who are all from a competing company, "DC").

      I don't think it's always consistent, but for the most part, all of the characters in the "Marvel" group exist in the same imaginary "Universe" - they interact with each other (and in case it isn't complicated enough, they occasionally interact with characters from the DC "universe").

  14. Perfect. by antisocial77 · · Score: 1

    Now, if you will excuse me, I must go irradiate a spider and coax it to bite me.

  15. Re:Umm... by erasmus_ · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Hi, I'm b0r0din and I'm flamebait. Even though I tell scientists what they should be doing, I'm clearly not one, because the majority of them know how to spell. Yes, even the word masturbate.

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  16. Kevin Bacon not that connected by Erore · · Score: 5, Informative

    The book, "The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference" has a couple of pages about networking. It mentions that a study was done to determine the connectedness of random people. It determined that random people can be connected within 6 links. Thus, 6 degress of separation.

    The Kevin Bacon stuff is just a game based upon the same principle. I don't remember his score exactly, but in Hollywood circles Kevin is like 665th on the list of connectors. He can be connected to other people in Hollywood within 4.x people. The most connected person is Rod Steiger, who can be connected in 2.1x.

    1. Re:Kevin Bacon not that connected by stevenbdjr · · Score: 2

      Not to nitpick, but the "Center of the Hollywood Univerise" is actually Christopher Lee. Rod Steiger is second. Kevin Bacon rates #913.

      The Oracle of Bacon at Virgina is a great resource for this stuff.

    2. Re:Kevin Bacon not that connected by ajs · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The Tipping Point was published in 2000. From a random site I found on Google:
      Enshrined in a popular play, movie and a game involving actor Kevin Bacon, the notion that disparate people are connected by a short chain of mutual friends caught on after 1967 research by Yale psychologist Stanley Milgram.


      As you can see, Malcolm Gladwel(author of The Tipping Point) did not introduce this concept.
    3. Re:Kevin Bacon not that connected by Erore · · Score: 2

      In my post I mention that a study was done.

      Congrats, you probably found that study. I didn't remember it off the top of my head.

      I know Malcolm Gladwel did not introduce the concept.

    4. Re:Kevin Bacon not that connected by tcyun · · Score: 2

      There has been some serious academic work done by many researchers into this field. I was lucky enough to be able to see Duncan Watts present his research in the Small-World phenomena a few years ago. While his talk starts out with a mention of the Kevin Bacon game, it continues into more serious areas, including the way the neural network of the worm C. elegans conforms to the small-world predictions and the connectivity of power grids. The implications into computer networks should be worth at least a few moments of thought to all of us.

    5. Re:Kevin Bacon not that connected by tekman · · Score: 1

      The Oracle of Bacon - Find any given actor's degree of seperation from Kevin Bacon. Ties in to the imdb database.

      The Center of the Hollywood Universe - Lists the 1000 best connected in hollywood.

      Now, it turns out, Christopher Lee (average number 2.599102) has passed Rod Steiger (average number 2.603871).

    6. Re:Kevin Bacon not that connected by ajs · · Score: 2

      Yep, re-read your post and I see that you're correct. Oh well. Was fun doing the reasearch ;-)

  17. Re:Its really sad by Tennguin · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you should rethink yourself. How many superheros do you know that have even come down with a cold? Methinks we should disect superman next.

  18. I smell... by Vireo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I smell the smell of an IgNobel prize in the air.

    1. Re:I smell... by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Actually, Marvel awards No-Prizes :), or at least they did when I was young... (buddy of mine has the _empty_ envelope to prove it...)

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  19. Super Tux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm awaiting the debut of Marvel's newest hero, Super Tux, the bionic penguin with the bone crushing beak of steel.

  20. bzzt:: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wonder Woman is from DC, not Marvel.

    Appropriate subhects for the activity you mention would be Psylocke, She-Hulk, Spider-Woman, Mary Jane Parker, ... well you get the idea

    1. Re:bzzt:: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      aunt may?

    2. Re:bzzt:: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, think Mrs. Peter Parker the redheaded wife of the webslinger

  21. Woohoo! by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh great, another of my dork hobbies goes legit!

    "Lady, I'm not 'wasting time and money on funny books,' I'm conducting an analysis of social interaction through the medium of networked vigilantism. Now pass that new issue of X-Force and refresh my strawberry sprite."

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    1. Re:Woohoo! by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2

      Visit Earthworld Comics on Central Ave in Albany. Try to get the lady who works there to shut up. Apologize for the stereotypical troll.

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  22. Damn them by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 5, Funny

    All I see is that some bastards are paid to read tons of comics and do resume about them, which, to be scrupulously accurate, needs to be cross-checkes... by reading the comics again.



    Bastards

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    1. Re:Damn them by Anomalous+Cowbird · · Score: 1

      Really . . . how did they GET this job? (And why wasn't I given a chance to apply??)

  23. Missing something? by ThePlague · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe I don't quite understand the research, but it doesn't seem that surprising that the Marvel Universe does not follow real-world clustering patterns: many of the characters have dual identities, which I would think throw off the usual associative relationship of friends.

    As an example, consider this scenario:

    Jane Goodcitizen is friends with Peter Parker.
    Spiderman is friends with Captain America.(?-don't know, but let's just say)

    In the real world, there would be a high correlation of friendship between Jane and Captain America, while the whole secret identity thing puts a monkey-wrench in the comic universe.

    The closest real-world model would probably be the network of say traveling salesmen or spies.

    1. Re:Missing something? by Hammerself · · Score: 1

      I think that a bigger cause is that the impetus for a character to appear in another's comic is not the fact that they have a mutual friend or connection (as in real life), but so that character can appear on the cover, attracting new readers (that character's fans) Add the fact that friendships between creators/artists/writers/editors of characters are more influential than "In Character" relationships.

      I mean, how often do comic books even worry about who-knows-who when writing cameos/cross-over issues? They always just happen to be in the same place or after the same enemy or something COMPLETELY random (Secret Wars, Infinity this-or that, etc.). I think it's cool they found the level of clustering that they did. I think they should conduct additional studies in which the real-life creators of the comic are included in the data.

      I also want to go to grad school in Spain now.

  24. Adventures of THE MAN by BlueJay465 · · Score: 2

    Really, has society gotten to the point where life is imitating art? I can see it now:

    2036 elections
    It has been 8 years since the city of New York has been renamed to Metropolis. The current primary elections for the United States President have been reduced to the following candidates:

    Al Gore
    Lex Luthor
    Stan Lee
    Edward Brock
    Strom Thurmond
    Jeb Bush
    Impossible Man
    Adam Warlock

    1. Re:Adventures of THE MAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Society has always imitated art. It is the closest thing we have to gauging the collective unconciousness of a society as a whole. All major movements in art have been the culmination of a major shift in social psychology.

    2. Re:Adventures of THE MAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, a new Slashdot poll!

    3. Re:Adventures of THE MAN by Ereth · · Score: 2

      Y'know, I WANT to vote for Adam Warlock, because I really like him, but looking at his track record, you have to be skeptical that he's the man for the job. After all, he only seems to solve the problem of Thanos, but really it keeps coming back, like Saddam Hussein or something. Can he solve any problems, really, without having to hibernate in a coccoon for a couple years to find out the exact same problem is back?

      Though, having Puck in the White House would be cool. And I can just see Drax the Destroyer as Secretary of Defense!

    4. Re:Adventures of THE MAN by RAVasquez · · Score: 2

      Hmm...Lex Luthor appears to have crossed over from an alternate reality. 'Course, the residency requirements in the Constitution don't cover that sort of thing.

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    5. Re:Adventures of THE MAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humph - Hillary's not listed. Maybe she forgot to take her Geritol and didn't get around to registering as a candidate. Either that, or we got lucky and the Saw Mill River overflowed and wiped out Chappaqua.

      As they say, any change would be an improvement...

    6. Re:Adventures of THE MAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that Jeb Bush *was* Impossible Man?

      But I dunno; those clever disguises (e.g. Clark Kent's glasses) can really throw you off...

  25. Captain America by PowerTroll+5000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also, they found the most networked of all Marvel heroes was Steve Rogers, Captain America himself

    Why not? He was the first major character (March 1941) that put Marvel, then known as Timely Comics on the map. He's simply had more time to network.

    Only Human Torch (October 1939) and Sub-Mariner are older.

    More info here (Google cache only)

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    1. Re:Captain America by LMariachi · · Score: 1
      Only Human Torch (October 1939) and Sub-Mariner are older.

      That was a different "Human Torch" than the Fantastic Four member, though.

  26. Ummm.... No serious research ever begins with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scientists at the University of the Balearic Isles....

  27. I can see some usefulness from this by mblase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    - Marvel writers (and writers of other comics, book and television universes) begin clustering their characters more, instead of letting them encounter each other more or less randomly, to increase the subconscious sense of realism.

    - Software developers creating "artificial universes" apply the study to increase the clustering, and hence the underlying realism, of their creations -- for instance, Non-Player Characters in EverQuest or The Sims.

    - Practical implementation for Marvel: LAY OFF THE CROSSOVERS and let characters who know each other already keep in touch each other instead.

  28. To quote The Android's Dungeon owner.... by ZaMoose · · Score: 2, Funny

    "But Aquaman, you cannot marry a women without gills! You are from two different worlds! ... My life has been wasted".

    ...worst...study...ever.

    Sorry, it had to be said.

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    1. Re:To quote The Android's Dungeon owner.... by ZaMoose · · Score: 1

      Bah! I'm on a roll for screwing up quotes. That should have ended "...I've wasted my life"

      Stupid, stupid, stupid!

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    2. Re:To quote The Android's Dungeon owner.... by questor · · Score: 1

      Wrong universe/publisher; Aquaman is DC, not Marvel.

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    3. Re:To quote The Android's Dungeon owner.... by ZaMoose · · Score: 1

      'Twas a reference to a Simpsons episode and a comment on the "wasted life" angle instead of the Marvel Comics reference you thought I was making.

      *sigh* Very well. I must hurry back to my [desk], where I dispense the insults rather than absorb them.

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    4. Re:To quote The Android's Dungeon owner.... by questor · · Score: 1

      Apologies; I don't do Simpsons.

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  29. Other applications by danspalding · · Score: 1

    While the comic book analysis seems useless, the more of our interactions are on-line, the more we can analyze them the same way. How connected are slashdotters compared to kuro5hin users? To WashingtonPost.com readers?

    There's a lot to be said for how modern society, and the internet, lead to the fragmentation of society. This methodology of this study could be a way to analyze how those fragments come back together again.

    (Also, I think secret identities are part of why the clusers are smaller in the Marvel Universe. Does Aunt May know Captain America? Doubtful.)

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    1. Re:Other applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Aunt May know captain america? Dude in issue #922 they did fucking blow together you idiot!

  30. Don't be silly by mblase · · Score: 2, Funny

    The entire superhero population of the MU is already blacklisted from all NYC-area companies providing auto insurance, home insurance, and fire insurance, while the life insurance companies are investigating about half of them for fraud in light of their various resurrections.

  31. Re:Its really sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All I want to know is how to the ambiguous duo fit into all of this? Huh, an you answer me that?

  32. sign me up! by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2

    sheesh. Ok, I understand that this is quite nifty and all that. But for the life of me I can't figure out what this has to do with anything.

    Seems like a huge waste of .

    How the hell do you get funding for something like this? If you know, please tell me, I have an experiment to run to see if beautiful actresses enjoy sleeping with nerds (me). Of course, I would have to recheck my results many, many times.

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  33. another key difference by L-Train8 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A closer look reveals the Marvel Universe's artificiality. For example, social networks have a property called clustering... the Marvel network is only very weakly clustered - about 1.5 times more than a random network.

    Another example of the artificiality of the Marvel Universe is that there are a bunch of people with super powers in it, where as in reality, there are realitively few people who can shoot lasers out of there eyes or turn into a gigantic green monster when they are angry.

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    1. Re:another key difference by Ooblek · · Score: 2
      there are realitively few people who can shoot lasers out of there eyes or turn into a gigantic green monster when they are angry.

      Really? I just married one of the few that does it? Do I get anything extra for the fact that she does both when she's pissed?

      The skin on my backside used to be pretty pasty because, well, geeks don't get out much. Now its sort of tan after those close calls with the lasers. I still haven't had time to fix the hole in the concrete wall she made when I dodged her punch.

    2. Re:another key difference by Nightpaw · · Score: 2

      Plus, real people are only 6 heads tall, whereas those in the Marvel Universe are 7 or 8.

    3. Re:another key difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus, most of the women who look like and dress like the super heroines are in real life doing porno movies, not saving Metropolis.

    4. Re:another key difference by astroboscope · · Score: 1
      in reality, there are realitively few people who ...turn into a gigantic green monster when they are angry.

      That's because relatively few people get physics degrees and wear purple pants. Sheesh! They want all the fun but none of the work!

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    5. Re:another key difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You let a woman beat you up? You truly are not a man.

    6. Re:another key difference by a+random+streaker · · Score: 1

      > Plus, real people are only 6 heads tall, whereas
      > those in the Marvel Universe are 7 or 8.

      Those two extra "heads" aren't heads. They're breasts.

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    7. Re:another key difference by BluedemonX · · Score: 2

      Would somebody PLEASE mod this up.

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  34. Marvel by Grax · · Score: 1

    The Marvel Universe has a lot more fighting than this universe.

    Personally the folks I know that spend too much time in the Marvel Universe don't know enough about the real universe to be able to compare.

    1. Re:Marvel by a+random+streaker · · Score: 1

      In all seriousness, I'd argue they have a lot less fighting.

      Very few of the bad guys would stand up to the police, much less well-equipped marines.

      The great "Magneto" would be taken down very quickly with plastic bullets. (Of course, all X-men opponents are relatively wimpy, so that goes without saying.) Or lead ones, for that matter. Someone should invent lead bullets.

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  35. Six Degrees of Captain America? by Chagatai · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So, is Captain America the Marvel Universe's version of Kevin Bacon? If so, let's play "Six Degrees of Captain America". Here are three inital people: Howard the Duck; ROM, Spaceknight; and any of the Seven Dwarves. I leave the rest to you.

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    1. Re:Six Degrees of Captain America? by xTown · · Score: 1

      Cap was in a few issues of ROM.

      You're on your own for Howard, though.

    2. Re:Six Degrees of Captain America? by questor · · Score: 1


      Captain America to Spider-Man is trivial; and thanks to the book Marvel Team-Up, you can link Spider-Man to nearly anyone; yes, there was a Spider-Man/Howard The Duck issue. Even Conan the Barbarian is easy, since there was a Spider-Man/Red Sonja issue (though I'm not sure they spoke the same language).

      One can probably get to get to the Seven Dwarves through any of the Marvel/DC universe crossovers, the Superman vs Bugs Bunny story, and then Who Framed Roger Rabbit...

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    3. Re:Six Degrees of Captain America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys all forget that Cap leads the Avengers (most of the time, anyway) and that half the Marvel universe are reserve members of the Avengers. No wonder he's "most connected".

      Reed Richards is well connected, too, having supplied the indestructable uniforms for most of the other supergroups, not to mention being on their fastdial phones for emergencies.

  36. Captain America is connected for a reason by pmancini · · Score: 1

    Captain America is this totally arrogan, pompus windbag Nationalist. He runs around proclaiming the total good of America and condems every other society he comes across. The can't even get along with Captain Britain for God's Sake! He gets bounced around from book to book simply because he shows up, gets involved, pisses off the other heroes who then quietly ask him to leave before they have to Biach Slap him into unconciousness!

    1. Re:Captain America is connected for a reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's right. Every nation except America deserves condemnation. And you deserve a bullet.

  37. a closer look by Suppafly · · Score: 2

    The team studied the statistical properties of each character, the books they were in, and who else appeared in them (through resources like the MCP). While there were some similarities to real society, a close look revealed that comics actually have no similarity to reallife at all.

    hehe.. the sentances are so much truer when I finish them.

  38. You? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You read it... how do you fit in given your comment above?

    What?

    Was that the sound of your fanboy ass being pierced by your awe inspiring intellect and poignant commentary?

    You betcha!

    1. Re:You? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like your the fanboy. did fanboys feelings get hurt because his nightly funny book reading got made fun of?

      Pick up some real literature you fucking moron. The kind that aren't interspersed with pictures.

    2. Re:You? by HCase · · Score: 1

      i don't see what people have against comics. i don't read them anymore, and the superhero ones have very little depth, but some actually do have plot, character, evolution, yadda yadda yadda.

      as for some things that are now considered real literature are awful, and much is read in a manner completely different then how it was intended.(i.e. how many people read shakespeare for the off color jokes and commentary, trust me its there.)

      there isn't any reason to dismiss a section of current culture just because it doesn't fit the guidelines set up decades ago for what is good and what isn't.

    3. Re:You? by wheany · · Score: 1
      sounds like your the fanboy.[...]Pick up some real literature you fucking moron.
      You know, I bet you feel stupid just now...
  39. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...parents spending money to send their kids to the University of the Balearic Isles find that they have wasted their money on their children's tuition and have demanded their money back. Instead of a quality education, students are instead studying subjects like "sociological similarities between the Marvel Universe and Real World Society" and "Practical Limits of Beer Consumption By Humans."

    UBI's Dean Pauly Shore was unavailable for comment at this time.

  40. What I want to know is by jdavidb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did they include issue #3 of Transformers?

    1. Re:What I want to know is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Not part of the Marvel Universe.

      Russ Chappell--Marvel Chronology Project

    2. Re:What I want to know is by yesthatguy · · Score: 1

      But it guest-stars Spiderman, so we could just link the Transformers to the Marvel Universe.

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    3. Re:What I want to know is by jdavidb · · Score: 2

      I know. Meant to post that link originally, but didn't have time to search.

  41. You needed a study to tell you... by wo1verin3 · · Score: 2

    ... that the marvel universe parallels real life?

    Did they mention the similarities in genetic mutatations?? They have Captain Doom, we have Microsoft.

    1. Re:You needed a study to tell you... by wo1verin3 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they want to trade, we'll even throw in the DMCA, try and get a superhero to fight THAT. It's like Bizzaro and an evil nekkid lesbo wonderwoman all in one.

    2. Re:You needed a study to tell you... by ZaMoose · · Score: 2

      Parallel universes?

      I thought DC did the Elseworlds series...

      Although, come to think of it, the What if... series was a Marvel property.

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    3. Re:You needed a study to tell you... by ZaMoose · · Score: 2

      And it's Doctor Doom. Neophyte...

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    4. Re:You needed a study to tell you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Mr. T vs. an inferior, earth-created version of a Sentinel, not Dr. Doom.

  42. Non-random associations by zangdesign · · Score: 2

    "It seems," say the researchers, "that Marvel writers did not assign characters to books in the same way as natural interactions would have done it."

    Wow. No kidding. What a freakin' revelation.

    Do you think it might instead have something to do with sales, or perhaps who had a good idea for a storyline?

    IT'S COMICS, PEOPLE! It's not real life. Any attempt to do serious analysis just ruins it for the rest of us. Well, me anyway.

    Don't these guys have some social paradigms to overturn? Or maybe some cosmic mystery to unwrangle?!

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  43. Re:Umm... by cyberkreiger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, they don't really rank above or below each other, but Trekkies are indeed slightly below comic book fans on the chart.

    But, your argument breaks down if we are talking about geeks who read superhero comics. Are we?

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  44. Slashdot presents.. Future news by British · · Score: 5, Funny

    Future news:

    Scientists at the University of the Balearic lose funding altogether

  45. Real research?? by Destoo · · Score: 1

    Who can say what a real research is before we can find the final product?
    Who knows what applications or concepts can be extracted from what a research finds?

    Scientists do not research for profit, or for launching things in space or for making the big bucks.

    (and yes, it is THAT kind of thinking that got me choosing Physics over engineering, and now working for a call center, eating kraft dinner)

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  46. A more worthwhile study by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 3, Funny

    TheMatt writes "Scientists at the University of this place you've never heard of have analyzed Slashdot and found that it is almost like real society. The team studied the statistical properties of each user, the stories they posted in, and who else replied to their posts (through resources like the Slashdot archives). While there were some similarities to real society, a close look revealed the artificiality. For example, /. isn't very clustered, only 1.5x that of a random network; real life is about 10x more clustered. Of course, the realities of web boards (the interface) are why this occurs. Also, they found the most networked of all Slashdot users was CowboyNeal, the default poll choice."

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  47. Hah! by xihr · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's certainly an area of legitimate scientific research, isn't it?

  48. Had they done this before Pearlman . . . by SanLouBlues · · Score: 2

    . . . they would have found far fewer crossovers which are often cheap quick cameos meant to get the casual buyer to take a second look and hopefully buy. The bankruptcy probably made Marvel a lot more marketastic. Which is not necesarily good, so we can still go on hating that fat bastard . . . :)

    It'd be nice to see their numbers on a timeline to confirm or deny this.

  49. Almost as good as The Simpsons by nakhla · · Score: 1

    This is almost as good a social commentary as a study on The Simpsons. I believe the book is called "The DO'H of Homer". EXCELLENT reading. What's even more amazing is that there is all of this philosophical depth and yet none of it was planned. There are some excerpts that you can read on Amazon.com so you should check it out.

    1. Re:Almost as good as The Simpsons by RembrandtX · · Score: 2

      My wife works with one of the 'doctors' who wrote a section of that book. He is a middle school english teacher .. and has nothing to do with human-interaction research.

      [incidently .. he works in one of the worse schools in the district, even though he has a doctorate, where he was rather 'suddenly' transfered from his rather cushy county school job .. mid year .. that ought to set off some warning bells.]

      my point being .. just beacuse someone has their name in print, doesn't mean they are doing more than BS'ing.

      [still though .. there were parts in that book that were general enough to make me say .. 'yeah.. yeah ..i can see that']

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    2. Re:Almost as good as The Simpsons by nakhla · · Score: 1

      Valid points. Of course, just because the author's past and qualifications are a bit questionable, it doesn't mean the book has to suffer. I read it in college in a semester when I was taking both "Television in American Culture" (best course I've ever taken) as well as "Philosophy of Human Interaction" so it was really interesting to see a lot of the philosophies I was studying applied to another area I was studying.

  50. Quite amazing by Ogerman · · Score: 2

    Scientists at the University of the Balearic Isles have analyzed the Marvel Universe and found that it is almost like real society.

    Imagine that.. humans living in real society have created fiction that is almost like... real society! Simply amazing! Good thing those research dollars are still being put to good use now that we've got the environment all figured out. So uh.. who gets the patent?

  51. What about Rick Jones? by ek_adam · · Score: 1

    I always thought Rick Jones was the most connected person in the Marvel Universe. Captain America sidekick; involved in the creation of the Hulk, and Hulk sidekick; Marvell tie-ins; ROM sidekick, and didn't he work with Dazzler a bit in her performer days?

    1. Re:What about Rick Jones? by questor · · Score: 1

      (And currently appearing with Mar-Vell's "son" Genis in the current Captain Marvel series.)

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  52. Equivalent by Internet+Stranger · · Score: 1

    "Ricardo Alberich and co-workers at the University of the Balearic Isles in Spain, are tracing the evolution of the Marvel Universe in detail. "

    This is the equivalent of trying to find a deep, moral, reality based meaning out of the crap stuck on a canvas thrown onto it randomly by one of them artistic monkeys.

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    1. Re:Equivalent by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 1

      At least they weren't doing this for the DC universe. How could you possibly choose? Pre- or post-Crisis? Earth 1? Earth 2? Earth pi? Red or Blue Superman, or both and split the difference? Green Lantern Hal, John, or Kyle?

      Which Spider Man were they following contacts for, the real Parker or his clone?

      Where's Jonni DC when you need her...
      GMFTatsujin

  53. samiam by bjorky · · Score: 1

    But since superheroes fight supervillans, and since when there's a fight going on, someone would be alerted to show up and help, isn't this unfairly skewed? After all, how many books in the Marvel Universe are made about average citizens? JIM SMITH: GROCER FOR HIRE, or MAXINE CARROLL: OFFICE ASSISTANT.

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  54. Scientists.... by ReidMaynard · · Score: 1

    hehe...oops, I've wet myself

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  55. Jon Katz uses them for his articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if he is upset that he couldn't do the write up on this first.

    I wonder if he is upset he didn't get the grant money to do the survey.

  56. Great Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Definitely a top candidate for an IgNobel award!

  57. Why does this sound familiar? by Trillian_Angel · · Score: 1

    You know, this sounds way too familiar to my own life. Get up, slay horrible creatures that live on the computer (or in the bathroom, whichever decide to attack first) then return to a life of seeming normality. *shudders* Either the comics are related to us, or we are related to the comics... and the sad thing is, it wouldn't surprise me if some of these comics are older than us /.'ers. We must have been born a sketch then blown up like balloons and forced to roam the planet and get eaten by things that crawl under the bed. Or maybe we just want to hide from our own realities so we emulate those from the comic books so that the real world ends up resembling the comic world.

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  58. Wait, Captain America is really Steve Rogers? by Tony+Tastey · · Score: 2, Funny

    My evil minions will be dispatched immediately.

  59. The "Spider-Man" Reference by TheMatt · · Score: 2

    BTW, for those wondering, the Spiderman bit in the headline of the NSU story: Reality Check foils Spider-Man, I think refers to a previous reporting of this study which labeled Spider-man as most connected.

    At least, I think it does.

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    1. Re:The "Spider-Man" Reference by questor · · Score: 1

      Not having seen the data, I would guess that if one were looking only at post-1960 comics Spider-Man would have the edge, having had a magazine (Marvel Team-Up) dedicated to him meeting other characters for over 150 issues. Captain America has been a nearly constant member of the Avengers team, but that can't match the variety from MTU. (The Thing has a similar advantage, with a hundred issues or so of Marvel Two-In-One to add to his Fantastic Four membership and his own series.) Only by adding in the 1940's-era can Captain America get any sort of edge in connectivity.

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  60. waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    example

    study on marvel universe
    study on EQ

  61. Slashdot, just like society! by sulli · · Score: 2
    Hey, on slashdot, we have friends, foes, fans, and freaks - just like in the real world! Some people are well loved, others are widely hated. Some are all alone in the world while hating everyone. And some just stay close to their sweethearts.

    But as you might expect, Slashdot has improved over society. Here you can always tell who loves or hates you, and you are reminded whom you love or hate. You can even ignore your enemies by assigning them a negative comment bonus. Just think of how convenient the world would be with those signals visible!

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  62. Re:'nuff said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Punisher has much more attitude than Silver Surfer.

  63. benefits by geekoid · · Score: 2

    Marketing--If a comic company funded the reasearch, it would be usefull to them

    determin how close an artificial universe, created without much plan(if any), will be similiar to real society. May give insight to the way we think.

    This is data, a rel thinker would find a way to put it to use, instead of just knee-jerk poopooing it.

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  64. Re:Nonsense by JJ · · Score: 1

    Not the entire superhero population is blacklisted. I happen to know that AquaMan has plenty of flood insurance.

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  65. Hope the Captain enjoyed it while he could... by dR.fuZZo · · Score: 2

    Hold onto your hats, true believers! By strange coincidence, I read the latest (I think it's still the latest...) issue of Captain America. Captain America was (apparently) killed by a group of Doomsday Terrorists. They didn't find his body, but from what I hear the Captain's popularity has been flagging a bit for awhile, and this might really be the end of him.

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    1. Re:Hope the Captain enjoyed it while he could... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not the end and he is not really dead. "somehow" he escaped and is now staring in Dead Man Running a three issue mini-series and then he debuts his new volume 4 stuff under the Marvel Knights logo, he is a talk less kick more ass type of Cap

    2. Re:Hope the Captain enjoyed it while he could... by dR.fuZZo · · Score: 2

      It is not the end and he is not really dead. "somehow" he escaped and is now staring in Dead Man Running a three issue mini-series and then he debuts his new volume 4 stuff under the Marvel Knights logo, he is a talk less kick more ass type of Cap

      Oh well. A guy can hope, can't he?

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  66. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  67. Re:Umm... by majestyk2000 · · Score: 1

    Okay, I know I'm sheltered, but after looking at the chart, I have to ask what the hell a 'furry' is?

  68. Damn straight by sharkey · · Score: 2

    I know I have to elbow my way through beautiful women with enormous, gravity-defying breasts clad only in miniscule, skin-tight leather outfits every day. But, maybe that sort of thing is confined to Indianapolis.

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    1. Re:Damn straight by astroboscope · · Score: 1

      So that's why people live there! ...but then why are the women there? (Sorry, St. Vonnegut!)

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    2. Re:Damn straight by sharkey · · Score: 2

      The Indy 500, of course.

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  69. Re:'nuff said by questor · · Score: 1

    The Surfer is about to take over the world, along with the other primary members of the Defenders (Hulk, Namor, Dr. Strange). (They've decided that if they're going to be forced into the duty of protecting the Earth (due to a curse they're under), that taking over will let them perform that duty more efficiently and with the least impact on their lives.) Look for the miniseries "The Order".

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  70. Re:Umm... by GTRacer · · Score: 2
    Well, I'm not one, but "what I've heard" is Furries are those who like to imagine sentient animals with anthropomorphic characteristics.

    IOW, smart cats, dogs, bears, etc. that take on human roles. In some cases, the "species" mix and in others, the animals hve replaced humans. Ever played Star Fox? Kinda like that...

    And, much like tentacle pr0n, there's a subgenre of furry-on-furry and furry-on-human sex...Interesting...

    GTRacer
    - Would be a felinoid (probably)

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  71. Re:Its really sad by Jaysyn · · Score: 2

    The Tick had a hell of a cold once that I remember.

    Jaysyn

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  72. I studied there... by MarcOiL · · Score: 1

    And let me tell you, I never had any assigment that was remotely similar to this one. There wasn't a single comic-book in the library, even!

    Of course, I never got into the reserved-for-teachers part of the library. But I always assumed they just kept there all the copies of "The Art Of Programming" marked as "Unavailable to students", not comic books.

    If I have posted far, it is because I replied to the messages of giants.

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  73. Say.... by artemis67 · · Score: 2

    Wasn't there an issue of the Incredible Hulk where a group of evil scientists released a swarm of radioactive mutant insects on the unsuspecting humans?

    Wow, they're right! The similarities are uncanny.

  74. Statistical futzification *smirks* by RalphTWaP · · Score: 2

    Uhoh...

    Well, with all this thought about the whole six degrees thing.

    I'm just afraid that someone in the US's SSSSq Agency (Super Secret Secret Squirrels of course) will realize they have a good chance of finding that some hidden terrorist types (cat /bin/laden) by randomly snatching a person, and six specific contacts (since it might be likely that Joe Blow knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy who knows where they are.

    Why... The implications of this amazing research to national defense are amazing.

    It's a good thing that affirming our consequents is a common practice now-days (psst... If (all persons in the world are "connected" via a small number of links) then (randomly picking a person and starting from there is a good way to "connect" to someone specific). (randomly picking a person and starting from there is--sometimes--a good way to "connect" to someone specific). Therefore (all persons in the world are "connected" via a small number of links).

    Mmmmm fuzzy logic.

  75. Hmmm... I gotta go visit home soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having been born there but not back in a decade +, maybe it's time I go back home and start some elbowing of mine own...

    *delicious grin*

    I personally think all women should look and dress this way!

    LOL

    1. Re:Hmmm... I gotta go visit home soon... by sharkey · · Score: 2

      I personally think all women should look and dress this way!

      Hmmm. Stay away from the Brickyard 400. You don't seem to be familiar with NASCAR ladies.

      "Aw, Cletus, stop that! My parents are watching!"
      "They's my parents too."

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  76. Re:Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since Aquaman is from DC, that would make you nonsense,..or does it just make me wierd for knowing that....

    *sigh*

  77. Stories like this prove that scientists are super by astroboscope · · Score: 1
    Stories like this, on important social issues that must be addressed, are why I read slashdot.

    Why people are examining clusters in comics I don't know.

    Forget /., this was in nature! The same magazine that just about all scientists want to have their latest work published in.

    Clustering is important to scientists though, (clustering of galaxies gives clues about the Big Bang), and networks for anyone who uses one ;-) so I guess it struck a chord.

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  78. Who pays for this? by crivens · · Score: 1

    Who pays for this kind of research?

    Now let's see. Shall we apply for a grant for curing mental diseases, or shall we examine comic books?

  79. Marvel Universe Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Marvel Universe has to be the *LAMEST* Comic-Book Universe these days. Just look at how Marvel ruined the X-men books. Back in the late 70's and early 80's these books were something people looked forward to getting each month. These days,who really cares what happens in the next issue? Just look at the pile of utterly unreadable shit Marvel has turned the X-Force title into.

    Do yourselves a favor and abandon Marvel Comics and buy Magna and Anime titles instead.

  80. I got two words: by mjolnir_ · · Score: 1



    Unstable molecues.

  81. Re:Stories like this prove that scientists are sup by astroboscope · · Score: 1
    D'oh! That subject was supposed to go on this message!

    I meant to say but ran out of space:
    Scientists also have huge crossovers (big conferences) with roughly the same frequency and guest spots (talks at other institutions). It's no surprise that superheroes don't show much clustering.

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  82. Are they realistic when they aren't superheroing? by astroboscope · · Score: 1
    Now you've got me thinking: what is the correlation function of characters who know each other outside of heroing, i.e. all the people who know Peter Parker, etc.

    Don't forget that Galactus made Aunt May one of his heralds while she was babysitting Franklin Richards. That should count for something.

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  83. Bleh... by drrobin_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're right, though. How about putting that money into real research. Organizations like NASA get budget cuts while projects studying the Marvel Universe go on?


    Well, first off, the study was done in Spain. Last I checked, NASA funding from Spain wasn't getting cut ;P

    Actually, though, all the outrage here seems kinda silly to me. What happened to the "Science for the sake of Science" mantra? This is exactly that.

    Yes, it doesn't have on-the-surface real-world applications. Reading comic books isn't gonna make a cure for cancer. However, it -does- have some economic value.

    Think entertainment. TV shows, computer games, books, comics. If I were creating one of these, I could benefit from this study, a LOT. Marvel comics are extremely successful, and they have a "clustring level" of about 1.5. I wonder what some of the failures have? Probably, a lot less. This is valuable, because gives me hard figures correlating success or failure of a venture with the reality level of its social networks.

    Even if it only increases the "reality index" of my entertainment products by 3%, that's significant. A universe which can be related to by my readers in inherently more interesting. If it's more interesting, then more people will buy my product, increasing my revenue, potentially by a lot.

    Plus, a bunch of scientists got to sit around reading comics :)

    ( unless, of course, the study was done by computer OCR of the comics, but still... gotta do something with them once they're scanned :D )
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    1. Re:Bleh... by Chris+Y+Taylor · · Score: 2

      I am all for people doing "science for the sake of science"... as long as they do it with their own money. When they want to do it with my money (or public money that is forcibly removed from my pocket by taxation), then I expect to be listed as a co-author.

      If the authors of this paper did this without public funds, then that is wonderful. If they did it with tax dollars, then a lot of Spainards would be quite justified in being angry that food is being taken out of their mouths by their gov't to fund such illegitimate gov't activity.

      Science for science's sake is good.

      Science for the sake of getting a gov't grant to read comics is bad.

      I have no clue which this is.

    2. Re:Bleh... by drrobin_ · · Score: 1
      Your post says (in case this gets up-modded, so it makes sense....)

      If the authors of this paper did this without public funds, then that is wonderful. If they did it with tax dollars, then a lot of Spainards would be quite justified in being angry that food is being taken out of their mouths by their gov't to fund such illegitimate gov't activity.


      On further thought, I agree with your position wholeheartedly. If it's a privately financed study, well, that's just cool! :)

      If it's government funded, then it's kinda stupid. AFAIK, and I could be very wrong, Spain hasn't been producing any form of entertainment which would recieve significant help from this study. Of course, I'm kinda biased; I live in the US, an entertainment-crazed society, and so my standards are all shot to hell. ( Feel free to flame, i've got an asbestos suit. :P )

      However, I think the thing we both missed, along with all the other posters in this story, is that the researchers DID NOT BUY ALL THOSE COMICS.

      From the article...

      The narrative threads have been mapped out in a database called the Marvel Chronology Project.


      The Marvel Chronology Project (ala google) is located at http://www.chronologyproject.com/ , and is not run by the afore-mentioned spanish researchers. Hence, they did not actually buy a-zillion-and-one comic books; Russ Chappell maintains the site. In fact, the data is already nicely formatted, so it's simple to analyze via computer! Here's a sample:

      From the Marvel Chronology Project...

      K'RK [SHI'AR]
      CX 14/2
      UX 106-FB-BTS
      UX 97-BTS
      UX 98-BTS
      M/TU@ 1-BTS
      UX 102-BTS
      CX 10-BTS
      UX 103-BTS
      CX 10-BTS
      CX 11-BTS
      UX 104-BTS
      CX 13-BTS
      UX 105
      UX 157


      Given that the study was relatively cheap to do (download the web pages, pipe it through some computerized statistic programs), its cost shouldn't be an issue. In fact, the only cost I can see is bandwidth (Ha! I could download it all on my 56k in an hour...), and the researchers time, which is also negligible since they need only run the data through a computer to generate and analyze the statistics.

      Of course, I have no way of knowing, but I bet this little research project was done out of the researcher's own pockets, on their own time. No government would authorize something like this, and what measely research funding exists is fought over by scientists like crazed minks. ;)

      In this case, I applaud them. Economically usefull (see parent's parent), essentially free, and fun. It's amusing to show that the research community isn't a bunch of stiffnecks. :D

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    3. Re:Bleh... by drrobin_ · · Score: 1
      Okay, I got interested, so I perused the study paper itself ( http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/cond-mat/0202174 ), and I found what I was looking for.

      From the study:

      Any study like this one must be based on a database, which puts the main restriction to its scope. In this case, the database we have used is the Marvel Chronology Project (MCP), which, according to its creator, R. Chappell [7], catalogs every canonical appearance by every significant Marvel character. Thus, the "significant characters" represented by nodes in our network and the "significant appearances" that yield the links in it are, actually, nothing but those characters and appearances currently included in the MCP database.


      So, yeah, it was cheap; the database already existed, and no money was spent on comic books. Also, since the study was done by the department of mathematics and information at a university, with "partial" funding by DGES(?), I assume that the spanish state was not paying for it up the arse :D ( From the study: "Departament de Matem atiques i Inform atica, Universitat de les Illes Balears", and "This work has been partly supported by the DGES, grant BFM2000-1113-C02-01.")
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    4. Re:Bleh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey. Actually tax uros :-) Pesetas have passed away.

  84. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That reminds me .... whatever happened to Mr Pascal Q Porcupine ?

  85. Not under-Clustered- OVER-Clustered! by dbretton · · Score: 2

    The scientists forgot that Spiderman is very good friends with Kevin Bacon .

    This brings the Marvel Universe's clustering factor to ~300x that of reality, making the Marvel Universe into surreality...

    The next episode of Marvel Universe is slated to have John Malkovich play every character

    -D

  86. The full paper by biene · · Score: 1
    Read the full paper before criticizing, people. It's really funny. It's also pretty clear that they didn't have a ton of researchers reading comics; they made good use of available Internet resources.


    http://arXiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0202174

  87. Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Real life is like the Marvel Universe?
    I would have said these guys are full of crap, but every since I got my X-Ray vision and started running around in brightly colored tights...

  88. My God by Joel+Ironstone · · Score: 1

    This is by far the stupidest thigng I have ever read.

  89. What would the Carl Barks Universe reveal by shoor · · Score: 1

    Carl Barks wrote and drew the Donald Duck and
    Uncle Scrooge comics from the late 40s to the
    early 60s, he also contributed stories to
    Walt Disney's Comics and stories. There are
    some differences from real life of course.
    Billionaires don't keep their money locked up
    in a money bin like Uncle Scrooge. But it
    always seemed to me the conflicts among the
    Duck Clan between greed, pride, angry temper,
    remorse, were more solid real, complex and
    funny than any superhero story. I have to
    admit there was at least one really good
    Captain Marvel yarn (from before the Stan Lee
    era), it was a 2nd anniversary special which
    I read in "The Smithsonian Book of Comic-Book
    Comics" and is by far the best story in the
    collection, better even than the Carl Barks
    story in there.

    The Barks stories seemed to appeal to people
    who went on to become scientists (somebody
    tried to patent a method for raising sunken
    vessels and it was refused because the idea
    had already been used in a Donald Duck story).

    Steven Spielberg was an admirer too of Barks
    also.

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  90. Re:Its really sad by Grahf · · Score: 1

    Quite snugly.

  91. Scary as heck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So this is from the 'scary-as-heck' dept.? What scares me is what this says for IT itself. The dot-com bust must be bigger than anyone thought, if this is what geeks are up to. Maybe the Church of Sciencefictiontology can help fund more of this- uh, research.

  92. Scientist, Scientician, Scientologist, whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the hell am I wasting my time in grad school?
    I could go be a "scientist" at the University of the Balearic Isles.

  93. Whats wrong with science.... by whos_opie · · Score: 1

    Am I the only on who finds this scary? With all the things that the scientific community could be working on to benefit the Human race (like making a dryer that drys my jeans in one cycle rather than 3), they instead focus their attention on a make believe world. God help us.

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  94. Poster availability by goldfndr · · Score: 1

    When is the poster coming out?

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  95. Leaders better at creating networks... by starvingartist12 · · Score: 1

    Captain America has always been portrayed as a the most capable leader in the Marvel Universe. He's not that strong and he's not the smartest of the bunch. He's only at enhanced-human levels, with no super powers whatsoever. But even Thor, the god of thunder, respects him and follows his orders under the superhero group, the Avengers.

    Spider-man is often a loner and misunderstood by the media. Anti-heroes, like Wolverine, keep to themselves. Mr. Fantastic is a genius, but it's very hard to work with him. Hmm... One might assume Superman to be the the most networked of all the DC heroes.

    1. Re:Leaders better at creating networks... by Steve+B · · Score: 1

      Also, Cap has been around from the Golden Age (WWII era) onward, giving him a networking advantage over later characters such as Spidey.

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  96. valid research!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Marvel comics has a lot of interesting things to study. The Body of Work is probably the most evolved form of fiction literature on the planet. True it is only one company's work, but it has 60+ years of artificial history by hundreds if not thousands of artists and writers. Studying the influance of American history on early comics and then the influence of past comics on current comic writers and how they continue to create a world is a valid study.
    As games like Ultima and Everquest evlove they will take on similar characteristics. As we view the future moving to a more virtual world (and controlled by big companies--another similarity) this study and others like it may shed light on what is to come in the digital world.

  97. Re:this is not the first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only are you right on every count, but you also spelled the word 'definitely' correctly. I salute you.

  98. An other possibility ot this similarity? by joonasl · · Score: 1

    Has anyone considered that the reason the super heroes for "normal" social networks might be that the networks for the characters correlate with real life social networks of the cartoonists?
    (Assuming that they have social networks :)
    Since cartoonist A enjoys working with caroonist B, it might be more likely that the character A works with might meet B's character more often..
    Just an idea..

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  99. Research from the balearic region? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is really out there.. what baffles me is that someone is paying for this.

    But what else do you excpect from the only place on earth where it's harder to get a drink of clean water than to get some good mdma?

  100. Corolary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None wins, and finally they fight together against the evil-doers. ;-)

    3rd man corolary:

    The are very brave and never surrender, so the only way to get them stop fighting is because there is a 3rd superhero that stops them

    (Field observations has full proved these coralaries, but sometimes 3rd man is a superheroine. This issue is still being investigated).

  101. Re:Its really sad by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    Spider Man came down with colds/flu all the time.

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  102. Re:another key difference - BALANCE! by vortexau · · Score: 1

    It should be noted that Marvel Superheroes grandstanding, or addressing another Superhero or a villan seem to have a problem with balance.
    i.e. They stand with their legs wide apart.

    The only ones in the real world to stand this way are some practitioners of the martial arts; particulary if they hail from Brussels. Most ppl would find it painful to stand this way.

    .

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  103. Re:Adventures of THE MAN - just glasses? by vortexau · · Score: 1

    All true followers of the Man of Steel know that the glasses are just the starting pointof his disguise; he pushes up the curl in his hair, he slouches and slopes his shoulders to appear shorter, and (as can be heard from the old radio serials to more modern movies) he raises his voice an octave or two!

    Of course he's also in a business suit instead of elastic long johns!

    .

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