sustaining is different than making the data available though. In many of these large sites it would be nice if they would add a "shutdown" page simply to grab whatever your storing and send it back to you. If the site was email or photos they could allow the account access to download what only they posted one time, perhaps zip it into large chunks, then customers would have their data. There would be some bandwidth to do this, but if the shutdown was the only function allowed then things would move rather quickly. Especially when these services are owned by large companies that still keep other services going, it's childish to "pull the plug" without some sunset period.
at some point it is about the "oppressed and downtrodden". If you invite a bunch of people to store stuff and make a promise (even if not legally binding) to take care of things, in exchange for using that data for advertising/data mining purposes, you can't just pull the plug. With AOL, some of those services have been around for many years and started off as benefits to paying customers.
It's not about the company's right to close the service down. But it is about the rights that data holders have to come in and clean out their stuff that has accumulated. When you maintain other people's stuff, you have to have a period of notice of intent, and a period after shutdown of clean-out time. If I rented out storage lockers I can't just empty out all the customers stuff to build myself a new house. In the case of email, photos, there's still an implicit promise to take care of the stuff, at least until people are notified I want to shut down.
That doesn't go away because it's free... also the really large numbers of users push these services into the "public work" realm. When you service a hundred thousand or million people the rules change because "their" property is probably worth more collectively than "your" property doing the hosting.
boy who cried wolf? Eventually the FBI and Homeland security will get tired of responding to every arab-looking family that's slightly rowdy and expect airlines to act civilized. Arabs tend to have large extended families with Doctors and Lawyers somewhere in there happy to file lawsuits for their "family".. and that's what gets any company to straighten out.
Asian students are generally considered "safe" just like white people, because they generally act like "white" people, and play nice, or at least close enough to keep WASPS happy.
I think there are already laws on the books that insurance companies can't use data collected this way against your policy. After all, if you are checked that you might get the disease, then they can run a simple test and catch the problem when it's cheap and doesn't require expensive operations and chemo.
but even in the last 50 years men died from other things like heart attacks and stress from hard work and smoking first. You may be the first person in your family to live long enough to get prostrate cancer, or at least to have it be the thing that kills you.
but BIG crime is mostly committed by white people. Look at Enron, look at the banking crisis, look at Postal workers, Oklahoma, Columbine, Virginia Tech... all white or "approved" people. Sure lots of single murders are committed, but the majority of murders are by somebody you know.. your wife, your brother, father... is more likely to kill you in your sleep than any terrorist.
prior to 9/11 the largest terrorist attack toll was 200 in Oklahoma by an army-trained white guy... exactly the kind of disenfranchised army guys being trained in spotting bombs right now... too bad they can never come home because they might be terrorists as they've all lost their jobs and wives. Many of the other top mass murders in US history are by "white" guys... if only because minorities were never allowed to own the kind of things to cause mass murder because of discrimination.
but they were pre-approved by homeland security... then interviewed by the FBI and deemed harmless. The airline should have carried them. period. That's giving into fear and mob mentality, not "patriotism".
At some point "those people" will start being asses simply to be asses, just to watch the scared little whites squirm. Really think about that.
or maybe they just didn't like the crappy seats. Engine seats are noisy and cramped and you get no outside view for the kids. OK if you're a geek with noise-canceling headphones and electronics... annoying for everybody else.
if they're big enough to pay my salary, they're big enough to have a small safety deposit box at the bank they deposit customer checks in. Unless this is a VERY small non-profit it's highly unprofessional.
This is in the same vein as guys that think their nephew can set up their network, or their website.
again with the power requirements! To keep even month and year would require a massive amount of extra hardware and power, not to mention people to tend it. I'd agree it's super good at recovery but how much more value are you getting versus tapes in a safety deposit box?
operators make mistakes... the higher up they are paid the more likely they are to do it. Take the manager covering for somebody on vacation... they jump in and mistype something... boom! data gone. Happens to the best of us... the really good ones have ways in place to make sure mistakes have a way of being undone.
how many AS400 operators typed PWRDWNSYS *IMMED and got a surprise!
Don't send tapes home with Admins... send them to the bank to be put into a safety deposit box with the days checks if you have to. Admins don't want tapes in their home, it's a corporate security risk and the admin WILL forget to bring some back because one or two is no big deal... until they're not at your company anymore. I know I wouldn't do that because I wouldn't want to be the guy who's laptop bag gets ripped off with customer data on tapes inside it. It's just bad mojo waiting to happen.
Treat data media just like the companies cash money.
can a stored disk drive sit on a shelf for a year or two of being tussled about and still work? Tapes have nearly all the moving parts external and replaceable in the drive, not the media. A cardboard box of backup tapes will survive storage pretty well.. a box of disk drives not so much.
can you restore a RAID with different hardware? With LTO3 tape I have several drive choices.. notably I can by a NEW drive and know the tape will work even 3-4 years out. What happens when the maker of your RAID solution moves on and wants to send you next year's model? Will the encryption and striping still line up on different hardware made by a different company?
you refer to the rack that can hold SAS diks. You can load them up with 3.5" 10k SCSI 150GB for processing or with 7200 1TB disks for backup in RAID 6 so you can lose two and be OK. When the 1TB disks cost what a backup tape does, it's a no brainer.
The only problem is that you don't have a real off-site backup... so you still gotta put that data to tape at some point and sent it where it some place safe like a bank safety deposit box. So when the server rack falls over and squashes YOU taking the equipment with it, somebody can get that tape to rebuild.
Except if somebody issued a drop table... then the repliants get dropped to... nice faithful mirroring!!! Been there, done that.
A good solution is to use mirroring like this, and then take the replicant offline to do real, full backups without taking down the production box. Then you have a live copy if drives or processors go bad to bring up immediately, and a backup tape to cover boo boos like this one. I believe that's what parent is getting at.
it's not unethical... that's like Ford saying buy a new Ford truck because the wheels fell off your Chevy. If the customer has to go "shopping" again... as a company it's your job to get them to come to YOU. Many of the people we're talking about have been cut off from Microsoft automatic updates built into the software for one reason or another... sux to be Microsoft. Customers are fair game now!!!!
The beauty of a monopoly is that it takes lots of money to KEEP a monopoly. If MS really wanted to keep their IE6 monopoly they'd do a better job keeping up with old OS versions rather than telling people to upgrade their OS just to run internet software... see who's also bundling!
it's not broken to the people you have to tell "click the blue e" to get on the internet. Nearly every company website you might find works under IE6. The saying "it's not wrong if IE does it" applies in spades here. MOST people have no idea firefox exists.. even the "savy" old school Netscape people often won't use Firefox because it's "freeware".
it bases on how "shifty" or "worried" you look. I'd guess this would serve as a good suggestion.
I'd wonder if they've REALLY tested this... put it in front of a union auto plant or police station on layoff day and watch the false positive roll in! I'd bet there are places a lot of upset, pissed off, scared people are that don't do anything wrong. As long as they view this as "one more hint" at selecting people to question it will be OK... if they start using this as the sole reason people will get upset rather quickly.
the Yellowstone volcano will "blow up" several states... wipe them off the map. Then spread them evenly across the rest of the continental US. Because of the way the wind blows California and the eastern seaboard like New York might not get hit too badly. Everything from the Rockies to Appalachians will be blown up or covered in several feet of ash... not a dusting like with St. Helen's. It will be just like the "nuclear winter" everybody was afraid of in the cold war.
I'd like to think as far away as Michigan would be "safe" enough to weather some earthquake tremors and push some dust out of the way, but that's a major ecological disaster. Farmland and wildlife can't be dug out... crops will be lost on a scale never heard of in the US. On the flip-side the volcanic ash will refresh the farmlands in the Great Plains and in 10-20 years they will be as fertile as ever...if any people are around to farm there again.
but you still pay for them. Worse, it seems that interesting networks like SciFi are always on one higher tier than the rest of the networks. One of the reasons I refuse to get Comcast Cable is that they only put the 3 channels I wanted on the 50+ channel schedule when they were on the middle tier on Dish or DirectTV. Their selection was so limited it was going to be ridiculous amounts of money to only watch a few channels... paying $20 extra to get 3 channels I want is extortion.
Like other posters have said, now that OTA TV is digital, even SD channels look as good better than analog. HD is awesome and a higher resolution OTA than ANY other provider cable or dish provides with built in channel guides and info too. I get the few shows I really want on iTunes anyway.. I can't get all of them on cable or dish for less than $75 per month anyway.
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sustaining is different than making the data available though. In many of these large sites it would be nice if they would add a "shutdown" page simply to grab whatever your storing and send it back to you. If the site was email or photos they could allow the account access to download what only they posted one time, perhaps zip it into large chunks, then customers would have their data. There would be some bandwidth to do this, but if the shutdown was the only function allowed then things would move rather quickly. Especially when these services are owned by large companies that still keep other services going, it's childish to "pull the plug" without some sunset period.
at some point it is about the "oppressed and downtrodden". If you invite a bunch of people to store stuff and make a promise (even if not legally binding) to take care of things, in exchange for using that data for advertising/data mining purposes, you can't just pull the plug. With AOL, some of those services have been around for many years and started off as benefits to paying customers.
It's not about the company's right to close the service down. But it is about the rights that data holders have to come in and clean out their stuff that has accumulated. When you maintain other people's stuff, you have to have a period of notice of intent, and a period after shutdown of clean-out time. If I rented out storage lockers I can't just empty out all the customers stuff to build myself a new house. In the case of email, photos, there's still an implicit promise to take care of the stuff, at least until people are notified I want to shut down.
That doesn't go away because it's free... also the really large numbers of users push these services into the "public work" realm. When you service a hundred thousand or million people the rules change because "their" property is probably worth more collectively than "your" property doing the hosting.
boy who cried wolf? Eventually the FBI and Homeland security will get tired of responding to every arab-looking family that's slightly rowdy and expect airlines to act civilized. Arabs tend to have large extended families with Doctors and Lawyers somewhere in there happy to file lawsuits for their "family".. and that's what gets any company to straighten out.
Asian students are generally considered "safe" just like white people, because they generally act like "white" people, and play nice, or at least close enough to keep WASPS happy.
I think there are already laws on the books that insurance companies can't use data collected this way against your policy. After all, if you are checked that you might get the disease, then they can run a simple test and catch the problem when it's cheap and doesn't require expensive operations and chemo.
but even in the last 50 years men died from other things like heart attacks and stress from hard work and smoking first. You may be the first person in your family to live long enough to get prostrate cancer, or at least to have it be the thing that kills you.
but BIG crime is mostly committed by white people. Look at Enron, look at the banking crisis, look at Postal workers, Oklahoma, Columbine, Virginia Tech... all white or "approved" people. Sure lots of single murders are committed, but the majority of murders are by somebody you know.. your wife, your brother, father... is more likely to kill you in your sleep than any terrorist.
prior to 9/11 the largest terrorist attack toll was 200 in Oklahoma by an army-trained white guy... exactly the kind of disenfranchised army guys being trained in spotting bombs right now... too bad they can never come home because they might be terrorists as they've all lost their jobs and wives. Many of the other top mass murders in US history are by "white" guys ... if only because minorities were never allowed to own the kind of things to cause mass murder because of discrimination.
but they were pre-approved by homeland security... then interviewed by the FBI and deemed harmless. The airline should have carried them. period. That's giving into fear and mob mentality, not "patriotism".
At some point "those people" will start being asses simply to be asses, just to watch the scared little whites squirm. Really think about that.
or maybe they just didn't like the crappy seats. Engine seats are noisy and cramped and you get no outside view for the kids. OK if you're a geek with noise-canceling headphones and electronics... annoying for everybody else.
if they're big enough to pay my salary, they're big enough to have a small safety deposit box at the bank they deposit customer checks in. Unless this is a VERY small non-profit it's highly unprofessional.
This is in the same vein as guys that think their nephew can set up their network, or their website.
again with the power requirements! To keep even month and year would require a massive amount of extra hardware and power, not to mention people to tend it. I'd agree it's super good at recovery but how much more value are you getting versus tapes in a safety deposit box?
operators make mistakes... the higher up they are paid the more likely they are to do it. Take the manager covering for somebody on vacation... they jump in and mistype something... boom! data gone. Happens to the best of us... the really good ones have ways in place to make sure mistakes have a way of being undone.
how many AS400 operators typed PWRDWNSYS *IMMED and got a surprise!
Don't send tapes home with Admins... send them to the bank to be put into a safety deposit box with the days checks if you have to. Admins don't want tapes in their home, it's a corporate security risk and the admin WILL forget to bring some back because one or two is no big deal... until they're not at your company anymore. I know I wouldn't do that because I wouldn't want to be the guy who's laptop bag gets ripped off with customer data on tapes inside it. It's just bad mojo waiting to happen.
Treat data media just like the companies cash money.
can a stored disk drive sit on a shelf for a year or two of being tussled about and still work? Tapes have nearly all the moving parts external and replaceable in the drive, not the media. A cardboard box of backup tapes will survive storage pretty well.. a box of disk drives not so much.
can you restore a RAID with different hardware? With LTO3 tape I have several drive choices.. notably I can by a NEW drive and know the tape will work even 3-4 years out. What happens when the maker of your RAID solution moves on and wants to send you next year's model? Will the encryption and striping still line up on different hardware made by a different company?
you refer to the rack that can hold SAS diks. You can load them up with 3.5" 10k SCSI 150GB for processing or with 7200 1TB disks for backup in RAID 6 so you can lose two and be OK. When the 1TB disks cost what a backup tape does, it's a no brainer.
The only problem is that you don't have a real off-site backup... so you still gotta put that data to tape at some point and sent it where it some place safe like a bank safety deposit box. So when the server rack falls over and squashes YOU taking the equipment with it, somebody can get that tape to rebuild.
Except if somebody issued a drop table... then the repliants get dropped to... nice faithful mirroring!!! Been there, done that.
A good solution is to use mirroring like this, and then take the replicant offline to do real, full backups without taking down the production box. Then you have a live copy if drives or processors go bad to bring up immediately, and a backup tape to cover boo boos like this one. I believe that's what parent is getting at.
it's not unethical... that's like Ford saying buy a new Ford truck because the wheels fell off your Chevy. If the customer has to go "shopping" again... as a company it's your job to get them to come to YOU. Many of the people we're talking about have been cut off from Microsoft automatic updates built into the software for one reason or another... sux to be Microsoft. Customers are fair game now!!!!
The beauty of a monopoly is that it takes lots of money to KEEP a monopoly. If MS really wanted to keep their IE6 monopoly they'd do a better job keeping up with old OS versions rather than telling people to upgrade their OS just to run internet software... see who's also bundling!
it's not broken to the people you have to tell "click the blue e" to get on the internet. Nearly every company website you might find works under IE6. The saying "it's not wrong if IE does it" applies in spades here. MOST people have no idea firefox exists.. even the "savy" old school Netscape people often won't use Firefox because it's "freeware".
it bases on how "shifty" or "worried" you look. I'd guess this would serve as a good suggestion.
I'd wonder if they've REALLY tested this... put it in front of a union auto plant or police station on layoff day and watch the false positive roll in! I'd bet there are places a lot of upset, pissed off, scared people are that don't do anything wrong. As long as they view this as "one more hint" at selecting people to question it will be OK... if they start using this as the sole reason people will get upset rather quickly.
so you're saying we have better ways to finish ourselves off they cave men did?
Go Extinction!
Can we leave some neat fossils behind? Make sure strike a good pose when the roach people did us up in a million years?
the Yellowstone volcano will "blow up" several states... wipe them off the map. Then spread them evenly across the rest of the continental US. Because of the way the wind blows California and the eastern seaboard like New York might not get hit too badly. Everything from the Rockies to Appalachians will be blown up or covered in several feet of ash... not a dusting like with St. Helen's. It will be just like the "nuclear winter" everybody was afraid of in the cold war.
I'd like to think as far away as Michigan would be "safe" enough to weather some earthquake tremors and push some dust out of the way, but that's a major ecological disaster. Farmland and wildlife can't be dug out... crops will be lost on a scale never heard of in the US. On the flip-side the volcanic ash will refresh the farmlands in the Great Plains and in 10-20 years they will be as fertile as ever...if any people are around to farm there again.
Cartoon Network is a TW owned network... they should be safe.
but you still pay for them. Worse, it seems that interesting networks like SciFi are always on one higher tier than the rest of the networks. One of the reasons I refuse to get Comcast Cable is that they only put the 3 channels I wanted on the 50+ channel schedule when they were on the middle tier on Dish or DirectTV. Their selection was so limited it was going to be ridiculous amounts of money to only watch a few channels... paying $20 extra to get 3 channels I want is extortion.
Like other posters have said, now that OTA TV is digital, even SD channels look as good better than analog. HD is awesome and a higher resolution OTA than ANY other provider cable or dish provides with built in channel guides and info too. I get the few shows I really want on iTunes anyway.. I can't get all of them on cable or dish for less than $75 per month anyway.