#1. As long as the system is linux Intel gets more profit. Now that Microsoft is moving in, it's intel's cut that goes down...
#2. Volume of eeePC cuts into cheap laptops. Like I said, I'd buy an eeePC for my kids before a full laptop. In case of eeePC it's using Linux that I don't want them to install apps on it from the web to muck it up, only surf,etc.
#3. Running Linux and NOT using Windows these will be very hard to plan to make obsolete. I have a 2002 Dell Latitude that runs XP and Office XP just fine. These eeePCs are faster than that, and not tied to the latest MS bloatware can last a long time.. people will expect less and programmers will deliver more because the platform is uniform and solid. Also, the integrated SEE4 & graphics will handle online video much better than that old Dell even though the "clock" speed is lower.
IN short, Asus would have invented a new niche we've all been wanting of computers that "just work" all-be-it with a smaller base of software. Once they prove themselves to home users, companies will want one for field apps,then it all snowballs.... and the price of 'PC in your pocket" drops below Intel's comfortable levels.
devil's advocate, but when you get a little bit sicker and have to go the ER, then you are in line ahead of a more healthy person your taking "their" space. In the big scheme of things, the biggest medical "problem" we have is poor health habits, overweight, lack of exercise, poor diet, etc rather than any "disease" to fight. That puts undue burden on the system when we have a bunch of 65 year-old fat people on medicade.
On the other hand, I doubt fat people cause global warming or food shortages.. that's just BS. Poor people particularly in the USA are fat because they are crowded in cities away from the outdoors, on welfare and expected to stay "out of sight", i.e. eat your twinkies and watch american idol and don't clutter our nice pretty sidewalks. Food has been so cheap for years, because the US grows double what it can actually eat and tries to sell it off. only now is the balance starting to tip.. again, the stuff like twinkines are still really cheap because they pull flour and other man-made food from vast stores of our surplus. It's healthy food that is getting expensive, fruits, vegetables, meats, etc because local growers were put out of business for south American growers and now that gas is outrageous the price of transport (the main production cost) is increased.
but it's not as RELIABLE. That's the difference. Sure it COULD be but in practice it's NOT. Replacing old systems is good, the key reason is not to replace the hardware but to improve your knowledge of the systems good enough to do a full replacement.
The iSeries systems I administer have been "pulled forward" for 15 years to new hardware with the same data and ERP systems. When you realize that a full upgrade from something like this to something fast and loose like Windows can wreck your company for 6 months or more and risk 15 years of sales and production data, even with the best of planning... can you take that risk?
that was the point, they had to replace the backup power supplies meaning they had to turn the box off for a little bit. High availability is when the systems outlast the components of the electrical grid or building they reside in!!!!
the point is that it's VERY specificly looking for "youtube.com" in the domain. That's a fairly popular site so why would they block it?
I can't wait for the day Google starts abusing it's power and directs all searches of Microsoft.com to Ubuntu.com!!! Microsoft's own search tool is poor at looking up their own support site. IF google really wanted to hurt Microsoft, they'd simply stop indexing their sites!
no, windows should cost the same for everybody. Their price for the same software didn't measure up when Asus was spec'ing out the price. Does Asus get the SAME price for ALL the copies of XP they sell? Can I buy a cheap copy of XP for that same price?
Windows XP and Vista as it was sold to Asus didn't measure up. Asus picked another company fair and square and sold several million units... now MS cuts the price just for them to get back in... that's not fair for them to arbitrarily cut the price to take back a market but not for everyone.
My opinion has always been that the various Anti-trust agencies should have fixed the price of Windows OS at the retail price back in 2003 and eliminated all OEM agreements, everybody buys the same and pays the same.. they're a monopoly is there really any difference. MS can't complain because they'd get more profit.. until situations like these arise when Windows is so overpriced and other competitors rise to fill the void... then MS changes the pricing but adds restrictions to squeeze competition out. It's time to stomp on them hard.
bingo, that's why everybody is squealing. Asus cut the harware specs to cover the windows costs. To the average user, it will look like two things cost the same one "broken" without Windows but a few GB of ram (who cares about 8GB when there's 500B drives for cheap?) Stores simply won't sell without windows, and I'm sure MS has advertising agreements to sell the Windows stickers with big box stores so the Linux version won't see shelf space.
On another note, a lot of good the "patent" agreement did Xandros here. They got "blessing" to sell their linux with windows "compatible" functions only to have Microsoft come and eat their lunch when they actually make sales.
exactly, I was STILL using a Dell Latitude C610 with a 1.0Ghz P3 up till 3 months ago. Used iTunes, firefox, open office, YouTube, the whole thing. HD video is out, but other than that it was perfectly functional. Those things STILL sell for $300 on Ebay! The eeePC is just a smaller version of the same thing. Figure the processor is a little more efficient and the ram a bunch faster, and what was a $1500 laptop is now $500 and 1/3 the cost & size!
they have to scratch Intel's back too! After all, eeePC is using the same low end chips as cheap laptops.... Intel really wants to sell Atom at a lower price... with stripped out performance. Right now eeePC is "too good" and "too cheap" for either company to allow as it makes basic computing very low cost.
Hint: what is the real difference between a $500 eeePC and a $1200 Macbook (with integrated graphics) in terms of general users? Neither is designed for "pro" apps or games, so why buy the really expensive one if $500 appliance will do?
That's fine for financial places, the appropriate slashdot abbreviation is M$ (not confused with MS the wasting disease) So will people stop bellyaching about it and just use the M$ correctly. For a while on OSnews they actually replaced any instance of M$ with "Microsoft" because they got tired of looking at it!
But the Open Group is responsible for licensing the name "Unix" and setting the compatibility standards, not SCO. Basically SCO and Open Group were shell companies so that AT&T, IBM, HP, SUN, Novell and other Unix licensers would not get in trouble for anti-trust violations by holding the other companies hostage for technology they all shared.
Daryl is a classic case of the low-level lackey trying to be the tail wagging the dog. That's why Novell is so quick to put them in their place with extreme malice. They're supposed to be "holding the money" for the much bigger companies and they got a small amount of coin to do so. They just bit the hands that feed them. We need a law against technology companies in Texas or Utah!
but how often do they send those lists? Not very often. I'd guess they could ask special permission from their ISP to release the limit, but they'd have to be careful to maintain their machines and not spam or they'd get the block back on. It puts responsibility on each sender/ISP to behave and not just the wild west we have now.
Apple says they won't support it... that's the problem. Since the G4 Cube people have been asking for small and upgradeable for years. But even in the era of the Cube, Apple still tried to sell it for much more than the comparable tower machine which was silly. Now that they have a smaller, cheaper machine they won't add cube-like functions to it. Grrrr...
Second issue is that Apple doesn't seem to be letting anybody make aftermarket video cards... they've completely shut everybody out. Hence they're announcing a "new" upgrade to 8800gt for Mac Pros in the same email as 9800Gt for regular PCs... why no 9800GT for Mac Pro?
Just like going to the supermarket you carry personal injury insurance. If the fire dept, ambulance, etc bills you, generally the car insurance covers it. They have the same for boats and planes too. Being rich, I'd figure he has insurance to cover just this situation, the widow just needs to pass this on to the lawyers to handle.
exactly, most of us older people like to have paper in front of us because organizing pages on a desk is much easier than on a 15" screen. Will they make light pens to write on the paper for notes, that way we could print, take notes, mark up, then rescan!
they're cheap thermal transfer, not ink. much like this paper. Put the receipt next to hot fries and it will turn all the way black.
I agree it sucks though that you can't read the reciepts. I have mine tucked away in the empty boxes from what I buy and with no light at all they are blank... how you supposed to honor the warranty?
The mini is a great value compared to other small windows PCs like the shuttles (for size it can't be beat at the price) or the ITX boards (mini is much more powerful for the price). The issue is that the mini has Zero upgrade path for a Windows switcher with halfway decent hardware. You can't have internal 3.5" drives (7.2k or 10k). You can't pick a reasonable video card. You can't put two drives in there, or upgrade your burner... etc. Buy an off the shelf HD3850 or 9600 and you've topped every 3D offering Apple has even at $3k+, at least to play a few games, even if they're windows games... at least you don't need a second machine to keep what you've got invested in the Windows world.
I regret my Macbook for that one simple point. The graphics are more poor than on the iBook I picked up used at a garage sale. (no, I'm not replacing a $600 Windows machine with a $2000 notebook just to play the SAME games on it.) When a 3 year-old game like WoW is painful on a dual core 2.1Ghz processor/ 2GB ram something is seriously wrong with the hardware selection. Where's a "just" Mac equivalent like this Psystar from for the hacker switchers from Actual Apple?
Perhaps things would work better if we did punish people for that?
But in reality, that would never work out. Who decides your computer is secure? All the corporate ISPs running ISA firewall? Does that cut out all Wii, PS3, iphone, etc from getting on their network without a "trusted client". Does that stop a small company from running squirrel mail servers and allow big telco to require all the email be hosted off THEIR servers?
My favorite idea would be to do time sinked emails. Make a connection take 5 seconds to send each mail and allow only one address per attempt. So normal people would be slightly delayed and not even notice. Spammers and hacked machines would slow to a crawl. Hacked machines would get fixed when people complain (but not be broken by the ISP) and spammers would go out of business quickly.
you're thinking of people that buy unregistered trademark names like "McDonalds" hoping the company affected will pay up big bucks. ICANN put rules thru several years ago to give domain names to registered trademark owners if they think squatting is going on.
exactly, services like NSI's will stop pretty quickly when they have to pay. Just guess lots of names you don't like and let them register away till they've depleted their marketable names to sell to real customers. They would have to register the domains under their shell companies with fake data. THEN ICANN can start cracking down on WhoIS data when they try to hide who's really buying up names. Doing it all at once would break things.
That's cheap for a business. Even a McDonald's requires at least $2M per year to break even.
Considering they charge at least $6 per domain of pure profit versus pay $.20 they pay out (30x more!), it's a very good deal. That way they have money for sexy superbowl ads!
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#1. As long as the system is linux Intel gets more profit. Now that Microsoft is moving in, it's intel's cut that goes down...
#2. Volume of eeePC cuts into cheap laptops. Like I said, I'd buy an eeePC for my kids before a full laptop. In case of eeePC it's using Linux that I don't want them to install apps on it from the web to muck it up, only surf,etc.
#3. Running Linux and NOT using Windows these will be very hard to plan to make obsolete. I have a 2002 Dell Latitude that runs XP and Office XP just fine. These eeePCs are faster than that, and not tied to the latest MS bloatware can last a long time.. people will expect less and programmers will deliver more because the platform is uniform and solid. Also, the integrated SEE4 & graphics will handle online video much better than that old Dell even though the "clock" speed is lower.
IN short, Asus would have invented a new niche we've all been wanting of computers that "just work" all-be-it with a smaller base of software. Once they prove themselves to home users, companies will want one for field apps,then it all snowballs.... and the price of 'PC in your pocket" drops below Intel's comfortable levels.
devil's advocate, but when you get a little bit sicker and have to go the ER, then you are in line ahead of a more healthy person your taking "their" space. In the big scheme of things, the biggest medical "problem" we have is poor health habits, overweight, lack of exercise, poor diet, etc rather than any "disease" to fight. That puts undue burden on the system when we have a bunch of 65 year-old fat people on medicade.
On the other hand, I doubt fat people cause global warming or food shortages.. that's just BS. Poor people particularly in the USA are fat because they are crowded in cities away from the outdoors, on welfare and expected to stay "out of sight", i.e. eat your twinkies and watch american idol and don't clutter our nice pretty sidewalks. Food has been so cheap for years, because the US grows double what it can actually eat and tries to sell it off. only now is the balance starting to tip.. again, the stuff like twinkines are still really cheap because they pull flour and other man-made food from vast stores of our surplus. It's healthy food that is getting expensive, fruits, vegetables, meats, etc because local growers were put out of business for south American growers and now that gas is outrageous the price of transport (the main production cost) is increased.
they said nothing about this fall... perhaps it will be out sooner! Or they'll just keep the box the same size to not split the accessory market.
but it's not as RELIABLE. That's the difference. Sure it COULD be but in practice it's NOT. Replacing old systems is good, the key reason is not to replace the hardware but to improve your knowledge of the systems good enough to do a full replacement.
The iSeries systems I administer have been "pulled forward" for 15 years to new hardware with the same data and ERP systems. When you realize that a full upgrade from something like this to something fast and loose like Windows can wreck your company for 6 months or more and risk 15 years of sales and production data, even with the best of planning... can you take that risk?
that was the point, they had to replace the backup power supplies meaning they had to turn the box off for a little bit. High availability is when the systems outlast the components of the electrical grid or building they reside in!!!!
the point is that it's VERY specificly looking for "youtube.com" in the domain. That's a fairly popular site so why would they block it?
I can't wait for the day Google starts abusing it's power and directs all searches of Microsoft.com to Ubuntu.com!!! Microsoft's own search tool is poor at looking up their own support site. IF google really wanted to hurt Microsoft, they'd simply stop indexing their sites!
no, windows should cost the same for everybody. Their price for the same software didn't measure up when Asus was spec'ing out the price. Does Asus get the SAME price for ALL the copies of XP they sell? Can I buy a cheap copy of XP for that same price?
Windows XP and Vista as it was sold to Asus didn't measure up. Asus picked another company fair and square and sold several million units... now MS cuts the price just for them to get back in... that's not fair for them to arbitrarily cut the price to take back a market but not for everyone.
My opinion has always been that the various Anti-trust agencies should have fixed the price of Windows OS at the retail price back in 2003 and eliminated all OEM agreements, everybody buys the same and pays the same.. they're a monopoly is there really any difference. MS can't complain because they'd get more profit.. until situations like these arise when Windows is so overpriced and other competitors rise to fill the void... then MS changes the pricing but adds restrictions to squeeze competition out. It's time to stomp on them hard.
bingo, that's why everybody is squealing. Asus cut the harware specs to cover the windows costs. To the average user, it will look like two things cost the same one "broken" without Windows but a few GB of ram (who cares about 8GB when there's 500B drives for cheap?) Stores simply won't sell without windows, and I'm sure MS has advertising agreements to sell the Windows stickers with big box stores so the Linux version won't see shelf space.
On another note, a lot of good the "patent" agreement did Xandros here. They got "blessing" to sell their linux with windows "compatible" functions only to have Microsoft come and eat their lunch when they actually make sales.
exactly, I was STILL using a Dell Latitude C610 with a 1.0Ghz P3 up till 3 months ago. Used iTunes, firefox, open office, YouTube, the whole thing. HD video is out, but other than that it was perfectly functional. Those things STILL sell for $300 on Ebay! The eeePC is just a smaller version of the same thing. Figure the processor is a little more efficient and the ram a bunch faster, and what was a $1500 laptop is now $500 and 1/3 the cost & size!
they have to scratch Intel's back too! After all, eeePC is using the same low end chips as cheap laptops.... Intel really wants to sell Atom at a lower price... with stripped out performance. Right now eeePC is "too good" and "too cheap" for either company to allow as it makes basic computing very low cost.
Hint: what is the real difference between a $500 eeePC and a $1200 Macbook (with integrated graphics) in terms of general users? Neither is designed for "pro" apps or games, so why buy the really expensive one if $500 appliance will do?
Kids these days, it's the Power of Atomic Energy that is the mystery of the universe, not silly tiny robots.
That's fine for financial places, the appropriate slashdot abbreviation is M$ (not confused with MS the wasting disease) So will people stop bellyaching about it and just use the M$ correctly. For a while on OSnews they actually replaced any instance of M$ with "Microsoft" because they got tired of looking at it!
Thank you.
But the Open Group is responsible for licensing the name "Unix" and setting the compatibility standards, not SCO. Basically SCO and Open Group were shell companies so that AT&T, IBM, HP, SUN, Novell and other Unix licensers would not get in trouble for anti-trust violations by holding the other companies hostage for technology they all shared.
Daryl is a classic case of the low-level lackey trying to be the tail wagging the dog. That's why Novell is so quick to put them in their place with extreme malice. They're supposed to be "holding the money" for the much bigger companies and they got a small amount of coin to do so. They just bit the hands that feed them. We need a law against technology companies in Texas or Utah!
but how often do they send those lists? Not very often. I'd guess they could ask special permission from their ISP to release the limit, but they'd have to be careful to maintain their machines and not spam or they'd get the block back on. It puts responsibility on each sender/ISP to behave and not just the wild west we have now.
Apple says they won't support it... that's the problem. Since the G4 Cube people have been asking for small and upgradeable for years. But even in the era of the Cube, Apple still tried to sell it for much more than the comparable tower machine which was silly. Now that they have a smaller, cheaper machine they won't add cube-like functions to it. Grrrr...
Second issue is that Apple doesn't seem to be letting anybody make aftermarket video cards... they've completely shut everybody out. Hence they're announcing a "new" upgrade to 8800gt for Mac Pros in the same email as 9800Gt for regular PCs... why no 9800GT for Mac Pro?
Just like going to the supermarket you carry personal injury insurance. If the fire dept, ambulance, etc bills you, generally the car insurance covers it. They have the same for boats and planes too. Being rich, I'd figure he has insurance to cover just this situation, the widow just needs to pass this on to the lawyers to handle.
how often does this happen to the average slashdotter? I thought so...
exactly, most of us older people like to have paper in front of us because organizing pages on a desk is much easier than on a 15" screen. Will they make light pens to write on the paper for notes, that way we could print, take notes, mark up, then rescan!
they're cheap thermal transfer, not ink. much like this paper. Put the receipt next to hot fries and it will turn all the way black.
I agree it sucks though that you can't read the reciepts. I have mine tucked away in the empty boxes from what I buy and with no light at all they are blank... how you supposed to honor the warranty?
The mini is a great value compared to other small windows PCs like the shuttles (for size it can't be beat at the price) or the ITX boards (mini is much more powerful for the price). The issue is that the mini has Zero upgrade path for a Windows switcher with halfway decent hardware. You can't have internal 3.5" drives (7.2k or 10k). You can't pick a reasonable video card. You can't put two drives in there, or upgrade your burner... etc. Buy an off the shelf HD3850 or 9600 and you've topped every 3D offering Apple has even at $3k+, at least to play a few games, even if they're windows games... at least you don't need a second machine to keep what you've got invested in the Windows world.
I regret my Macbook for that one simple point. The graphics are more poor than on the iBook I picked up used at a garage sale. (no, I'm not replacing a $600 Windows machine with a $2000 notebook just to play the SAME games on it.) When a 3 year-old game like WoW is painful on a dual core 2.1Ghz processor/ 2GB ram something is seriously wrong with the hardware selection. Where's a "just" Mac equivalent like this Psystar from for the hacker switchers from Actual Apple?
Perhaps things would work better if we did punish people for that?
But in reality, that would never work out. Who decides your computer is secure? All the corporate ISPs running ISA firewall? Does that cut out all Wii, PS3, iphone, etc from getting on their network without a "trusted client". Does that stop a small company from running squirrel mail servers and allow big telco to require all the email be hosted off THEIR servers?
My favorite idea would be to do time sinked emails. Make a connection take 5 seconds to send each mail and allow only one address per attempt. So normal people would be slightly delayed and not even notice. Spammers and hacked machines would slow to a crawl. Hacked machines would get fixed when people complain (but not be broken by the ISP) and spammers would go out of business quickly.
you're thinking of people that buy unregistered trademark names like "McDonalds" hoping the company affected will pay up big bucks. ICANN put rules thru several years ago to give domain names to registered trademark owners if they think squatting is going on.
exactly, services like NSI's will stop pretty quickly when they have to pay. Just guess lots of names you don't like and let them register away till they've depleted their marketable names to sell to real customers. They would have to register the domains under their shell companies with fake data. THEN ICANN can start cracking down on WhoIS data when they try to hide who's really buying up names. Doing it all at once would break things.
That's cheap for a business. Even a McDonald's requires at least $2M per year to break even.
Considering they charge at least $6 per domain of pure profit versus pay $.20 they pay out (30x more!), it's a very good deal. That way they have money for sexy superbowl ads!
who SAYS she hasn't seen her daughter. But took the kids to Russia away from summons of US law and simply refuses to talk at all now.