First you say "it's not ready until bind stops rejecting unknown types."
Then someone proves that it doesn't and hasn't for three years.
Then you try to defend your post by saying that three years isn't long enough, that it should have always supported it, and people still use Windows 98?
Yea okay tough guy. I'm sure djbdns is very nice but there's no need to conjure up an argument against anything else.
Naa, without checks and balances, which is not what the internet is based upon, all the porn sites would simply mark themselves as "news" or "games" or "shopping."
"This campaign will backfire, it will just encourage managers to get more information about that Linux-thing that gives the previously thought invincible Microsoft so much grief."
I agree with this completely. Even bad press is good press right?
Now that Microsoft itself is acknowledging Linux as a viable alternative to Windows and Microsoft, even if they claim it's "more expensive" somehow, it does get more mindshare into the Linux front.
People will remember Linux the next time their server does something stupid because of a Microsoft bug. People will remember the name Linux when the next big worm spreads around.
The thing is, TCO isn't everything either. People and businesses don't always buy the cheapest, they also (*gasp*) buy what will work, what has staying power, and what they can control.
So, even if somehow Linux is more expensive with "TCO" which I personally disagree with, this is good for Linux in general.
The same rings true for SCO. "Linux couldn't have gotten this good without stealing our code" they say. Of course, once their suit is finished and we continue on our merry way, the fact will still remain "linux has gotten very good."
Well, I guess anything that's not certified could say it, but then that's just willfully handing more power over to Microsoft.
I suppose anything would be better then nothing, even a simple notice stating "This software could be harmful to your computer, so if aren't sure what it is, don't install it. When in doubt, click NO."
Well, you're right but telling the "uhh, click ok, right?" people that this will "BREAK YOUR NETWORK STACK" (what's a stack?) "CORRUPT YOUR BROWSER" (whew, I'm running Internet Explorer, not Browser) and "WASTE YOUR BANDWIDTH" (What's wrong with the width of my waste band?!)
I think taking it down a notch might be in order... like "You shouldn't install this." or "Installing this could be very bad, and you should definately click the big red button that says "DO NOT INSTALL THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS BAD."
I'm unfortunate to work every day with end users that had no idea there were even alternatives to Internet Explorer, let alone that they can do great things like tabbed browsing, block popups, protect your security, save passwords better, use less memory... etc..
I tell them, and very often they download and install Mozilla. They usually like it a lot.
If people were informed of such things as this, they'd use them. If Internet Explorer wasn't included in Windows, we'd see a wider spectrum of browsers being used, and with the lackluster features, performance, and rendering anomolies, IE wouldn't be on the top of the list.
IE has always asked before downloading. Any time it didn't was because it is buggy and people used exploits to silently install things.
It still won't stop the majority of the bad spyware, since a lot of that is attached to seemingly legit software that people download and install. Once you get one spyware installed, quite often they go out and install others too.
Yea, Trillian is good. The only problem I have with it is that it's not free =)
Paying for something that could be shut out by the IM providers is kinda sketchy; but the Trillian people are usually quick about getting fixes out there for the latest "trillian stopper."
It is a very nice peice of software and I use it exclusively.
Of course, you *might* not get spam if you never use your account. But myself, like most other people, sign up for forums and downloads. I know, these are the types of things that get you spam, but I can't stop being an active internet user because of fear of spam.. neither can most other people.
For sure. Not to mention, a good portion of that 25% is someone actually viewing the data that's being transferred - I'd say the bulk of the other 75% is binary data, e-mail spam, etc.
You can differ, but I only on small occation get an ICQ spam; I've never gotten a spam on MSN, Yahoo, or AIM. And I've posted my ID's on various forums for the users to contact me.
On the other hand, I recieve many, MANY spam e-mails. I think anyone with an e-mail address has experienced lots of spam.
I run my own mail server, and I've got about 5 active users that have used the e-mail address for things. Friends, family.
Since 12/12/2003, my amavis-new/spamassassin/postfix machine has filtered out 7012 messages. That's 350 spam messages each day, for 6 mailboxes. It's insane.
So, it's cool. I'll let you differ all you wish, but I beg to differ your difference.
That's good to hear. It would be pretty neat to have a "drop-in" replacement for Windows. If it worked good enough and didn't get shut down (read: sent to court until bankrupt) then I'd see no reason why a driver developer wouldn't do at least rudimentary checks to see if their driver ran on this thing.
It's true. I am probably a far cry from the American attitude of years past - but my family has been here for a long time, and the world is a lot more complicated now a days.
Ask any new (hardworking, motivated) citizen what they think about living here, and the response would likely be a lot more positive.
Eh, just because you can work around an exploit, that you can cover it up and disable it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed. I think it's kinda weak to think that this is okay, no offence..
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dnstorrent doesn't make any changes to DNS, all it does is allow you to carry non-dns type data on a DNS server.
You make no sense.
First you say "it's not ready until bind stops rejecting unknown types."
Then someone proves that it doesn't and hasn't for three years.
Then you try to defend your post by saying that three years isn't long enough, that it should have always supported it, and people still use Windows 98?
Yea okay tough guy. I'm sure djbdns is very nice but there's no need to conjure up an argument against anything else.
Naa, without checks and balances, which is not what the internet is based upon, all the porn sites would simply mark themselves as "news" or "games" or "shopping."
Ya, what you said.
"This campaign will backfire, it will just encourage managers to get more information about that Linux-thing that gives the previously thought invincible Microsoft so much grief."
I agree with this completely. Even bad press is good press right?
Now that Microsoft itself is acknowledging Linux as a viable alternative to Windows and Microsoft, even if they claim it's "more expensive" somehow, it does get more mindshare into the Linux front.
People will remember Linux the next time their server does something stupid because of a Microsoft bug. People will remember the name Linux when the next big worm spreads around.
The thing is, TCO isn't everything either. People and businesses don't always buy the cheapest, they also (*gasp*) buy what will work, what has staying power, and what they can control.
So, even if somehow Linux is more expensive with "TCO" which I personally disagree with, this is good for Linux in general.
The same rings true for SCO. "Linux couldn't have gotten this good without stealing our code" they say. Of course, once their suit is finished and we continue on our merry way, the fact will still remain "linux has gotten very good."
Well, I guess anything that's not certified could say it, but then that's just willfully handing more power over to Microsoft.
I suppose anything would be better then nothing, even a simple notice stating "This software could be harmful to your computer, so if aren't sure what it is, don't install it. When in doubt, click NO."
You're kidding right?
Microsoft doesn't make the viruses, and you as a user of your computer have to directly do something to become infected with the virus.
Do you want microsoft to drive your car, wipe your ass, and brush your teeth too?
On the other hand, they DO make software full of bugs and security holes, so they SHOULD fix these problems with security patches, fixes, and updates.
Well, you're right but telling the "uhh, click ok, right?" people that this will "BREAK YOUR NETWORK STACK" (what's a stack?) "CORRUPT YOUR BROWSER" (whew, I'm running Internet Explorer, not Browser) and "WASTE YOUR BANDWIDTH" (What's wrong with the width of my waste band?!)
I think taking it down a notch might be in order... like "You shouldn't install this." or "Installing this could be very bad, and you should definately click the big red button that says "DO NOT INSTALL THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS BAD."
In your dreams!!
heh
Would be nice though; I could do some really nice web things that all the lemmings could see.
Naa man, you're way off.
I'm unfortunate to work every day with end users that had no idea there were even alternatives to Internet Explorer, let alone that they can do great things like tabbed browsing, block popups, protect your security, save passwords better, use less memory... etc..
I tell them, and very often they download and install Mozilla. They usually like it a lot.
If people were informed of such things as this, they'd use them. If Internet Explorer wasn't included in Windows, we'd see a wider spectrum of browsers being used, and with the lackluster features, performance, and rendering anomolies, IE wouldn't be on the top of the list.
IE has always asked before downloading. Any time it didn't was because it is buggy and people used exploits to silently install things.
It still won't stop the majority of the bad spyware, since a lot of that is attached to seemingly legit software that people download and install. Once you get one spyware installed, quite often they go out and install others too.
Yes, but it'll be leet because after 98% of the population and technology is destroyed due to WW3 that's the best system you'll find.
Okay, Mr. Anonymous Coward.
Yours Truly
The ICouldCareLessTroll.
I really wish the powers that be could ban this guy.. he posts this on every single topic.
Well, my post wasn't too serious =) It was a joke!
I guess your comment was a little too witty for it's own good. I didn't make the connection, if I did I probably wouldn't have made my joke.
Oh well, no big deal.
Yea, all ten of you Hebrew-speaking Macintosh users should boycot this blasphemy!
Again, you're lame.
Yea, Trillian is good. The only problem I have with it is that it's not free =)
Paying for something that could be shut out by the IM providers is kinda sketchy; but the Trillian people are usually quick about getting fixes out there for the latest "trillian stopper."
It is a very nice peice of software and I use it exclusively.
You're the elite.
Of course, you *might* not get spam if you never use your account. But myself, like most other people, sign up for forums and downloads. I know, these are the types of things that get you spam, but I can't stop being an active internet user because of fear of spam.. neither can most other people.
For sure. Not to mention, a good portion of that 25% is someone actually viewing the data that's being transferred - I'd say the bulk of the other 75% is binary data, e-mail spam, etc.
You can differ, but I only on small occation get an ICQ spam; I've never gotten a spam on MSN, Yahoo, or AIM. And I've posted my ID's on various forums for the users to contact me.
On the other hand, I recieve many, MANY spam e-mails. I think anyone with an e-mail address has experienced lots of spam.
I run my own mail server, and I've got about 5 active users that have used the e-mail address for things. Friends, family.
Since 12/12/2003, my amavis-new/spamassassin/postfix machine has filtered out 7012 messages. That's 350 spam messages each day, for 6 mailboxes. It's insane.
So, it's cool. I'll let you differ all you wish, but I beg to differ your difference.
That's good to hear. It would be pretty neat to have a "drop-in" replacement for Windows. If it worked good enough and didn't get shut down (read: sent to court until bankrupt) then I'd see no reason why a driver developer wouldn't do at least rudimentary checks to see if their driver ran on this thing.
We'll have to wait and see what happens.
It's true. I am probably a far cry from the American attitude of years past - but my family has been here for a long time, and the world is a lot more complicated now a days.
Ask any new (hardworking, motivated) citizen what they think about living here, and the response would likely be a lot more positive.
Eh, just because you can work around an exploit, that you can cover it up and disable it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed. I think it's kinda weak to think that this is okay, no offence..
ReactOS does look really neat but until I see some real releases, I put it into the Vaporware bucket.
When I see it run a real Windows driver, or application other then Minesweeper, I'll get excited.