But if plugins are used in other apps then the idea of a plugin in a web browser is painfully obvious, even if not used yet. Obvious stuff should not be patented.
yes, but obvious to all of us today is different than obvious to one man 10 years ago. did anyone in politics "hold these truths to be self-evident" like basic freedoms we enjoy today, like free speech, before someone wrote it? no.
I use apera with no plugins so i don't really care, but this is a total bullshit patant. Maybe I should patent plugins for the next type of app to come out, will that be valid? I surely hope not.
dude, i use every browser i can lay hands on, cept for maybe galleon. unless you go to a flash page and see all blanks, you are using a plugin. opera uses them, only one that wouldn't and is still in current use is lynx (my first:). yes, if you can figure an unpatented use of extensible technology, you should patent it. then/. will write an article about AvatarX, super genious, man ahead of his times. until then, stop calling other people's ideas "obvious".
i'm a faithful mozilla user too (90% + of the time), i just think that omni has a much prettier page display. i always like to draw attention to the omni boys tho. they've been around since the beginning and make great stuff, try it if you can. i first used omni web on a NeXT cube in '95 (paleolithic era).
yes, it would possibly lead to a settlement and royalty payment, but chances are, that this could also lead to a new browser war. remember, this new anti-trust agreement is all about the browser, and M$ will have a tough time smooshing capable browsers in favor of crippleware and saying that it's all in the name of innovation.
come to think of it, will any current content on the web work with palladium? m$ seems to be trying to enfore these limitations on themselves.
guess what? they're not gonna remove the feature from M$ users with non-intrusive licenses. this is where the XP/2k sp3 license will come to haunt consumers and M$ alike. they lose the case, and the poor saps who agreed to let m$ raid their machines could find themselves forced to Swallow a restricted version of IE. have fun winblows lovers
the patent is narrowed to Hypertransfer use. in otherwords, it covers using an application with http and a plugin.
there are as many patents as appz, in fact many go into some individual appz. ever read about the cat fights between Adobe and Macromedia? just open photoshop and look at all the patent declarations if you don't believe me.
just look at the m$ loss in court to Lindows over trademark violation. it can, and has happened. just say Lindows 500 times a day as your mantra, and everything will work out in the end. . . . . LindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsL indowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLi ndowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLin dowsLindowsLindowsLindows
i'm a mac user, we don't need no stinkin cases! i just keep it all in stacks, stack o hard drives, floppy, cd-r, dsl modem. the stacks are a more efficient solution because they are easy to search yet hard to crash . . . . . lol. . . and i don't go out on fridays, Saturday's my night
Erm...really? First of all, how often do *you* read reports sent you on stocks that you hold?
i USED to read those things, and i sold everything i had in spring 2000 at its inflated peak, went to europe for a vacation, came home broke and got on with my life. thanks for askin
moderated well. look dude, the design house i service does alot of work for large clients, ever hear of citigroup or burger king? they do have 2 or 3 windows designers, if m$ could handle it (they do web stuff along with print and massive format printing, so its a joke to say it could), they would.
good idea in theory, however, in practice, this will have some negative side effects as well.
first and foremost would be the addition of barriers of entry. there are not enough geeks in the world right now, as is, and the demand for talent grows in many ways like moore's law in reguard to population/geeks percentage.
in addition, one of the greatest contributory factors in the tech business is the attraction of highly intelligent, individuals to not only develop, but administer and many many other jobs. many of these people are not college grads, but have simply dived into the box and gotten good at it. the tech industry gives premiums to experience right now. some of these people are routing this very post right now, they're friends and colleagues of mine.
organizations like these will also give the potential for further specialization of the field, a thought that makes me shudder.
lastly, while there are many outstanding Comp Sci departments in fine universities, there are also many of them that live one to three years behind, and graduate Computer Field Managers (or BDMs in M$ speak). these are technically literate individuals, who take comp sci as their management degree. the thought of those people becoming pre-dominant in the field overall makes the beaurocratic fears of a Union look like a picnic. bottom line, the college experience appeals most to folks who are likely to be more social, but not necessarily more talented. no offense to those who have a comp sci degree, or the fine institutions of true higher education. however, many many folks graduate from diploma-mill comp sci depts., and their status in such a group will devalue the degree of people who come from better programs.
i do strongly agree that some sort of more centralized organization would be highly useful. perhaps something more like a guild than a union. (make d&d accusation here, i never got into it anyway). something that is less rule bound, more based on reputation and prior works. deals more with personal credentialing than with monetary donations, but has the pool of membership to raise large sums of cash when called upon. a group that democratically sets an agenda, and sponsors political ideas, with the power to take broad based actions to protest the unchecked political policies we all hate (Fritz and DMCA, et. al). all in all, an organization that's lean in the middle, and agile, like the business that we're in.
are you kidding? they are made for newbies. macs require about a twentieth of the support that PCs do. i support a design house's mac's on a contract basis. they have over 150 of them. that translates into about 5 hours of my worktime every six months to keep the operation running at full capacity. they have 5 guys to support 50 windows machines and a few servers. let me tell you, all the designers know about Macs is that they turn them on and do their work, then go home. i'm not even sure they know how to turn them off.
Trying to figure out how to install and run apps under MacOS X is a lot more complicated than Windows.
this says to me that you have completely spoken out of your buttocks. most mac installs follow this procedure: step 1) insert cd step 2) copy the application into your favorite place for those things step 3) mess with your new app.
i thought WinME was fantastic! or didn't you hear the announcement of the new M$ software platform, Abortionware. Its middleware for the masses, in the middle of stable 98se and stable xp.
why'd u people remind me that ME exisists, i had gotten over it, almost
to say something ON TOPIC HERE. unfortunately for Sendo, they seem to have forgotten to ditch ALL of their MicroCrap. its so/.'d down, i don't even get the fancy call your administrator message (i wish stupid users would stop calling me when they see that). oh well, off to google
your response is exactly what this dude, didn't ask for, another useless, why shouldn't it be free anyway?
fact is, not only do attorneys not like to be sued for bad advice, but when in doubt, they tend to behave like beaurocrats, and NO is the easiest, most cost efficient answer.
open source is an uphill battle with entrenched enterprises that aren't called IBM.
the point is, that to most shareholders, telling them that their company made something to give away for free sounds bad. just how it is.
and yes, i have released some nice open source thingees myself (not alot yet, but workin on it), this is not a Winblows coder speaking, just a realist
agree with the top, but i've never heard of a "Nasty gun control law"? lets face it, guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. sure beats the hell out of a baseball bat for most people. what's etc.?????
go take your.357 S & W and find some better planet to use it, like Columbia.
please someone moderate this bitch off./ , i would, but have already posted (like alot) and can't myself in this post. i'l find the rest of yours tho dude, i promise.
its called politics, and in case u didn't know this, the president didn't draft the laws, and couldn't stand up to the GOP controlled congress just whenever he pleased, he played his cards as best as possible. oh yeah, did u forget, a little something called a surplus? Bush changed accounting rules in the white house b4 9/11 to make an artificial one after his stupid tax cut. the presidential budget is where the executive power really lies, and clinton used the cash like a bunch of money bags to beat down the GOP. jeezus, what a long reply to a short post.
unfortunately, voting on the issues is what has put us here today. why? because the issues have lost relevance to the majority of voters. they're above people's heads. not to mention, it doesn't matter much who you vote for in the GOP (EXCEPT JOHN McCAIN), they're main issue is favor big business, screw you. ironic that they're Pro-Life, isn't it? i figured it out tho. they need someone to step on, might as well be you.
that didn't quite come out right dude, i don't mean it as a personal attack against your comments, but you know what i mean.
nothing wrong with moderation, unless your last name is Bush. then it's the deathnell, W figured that one out. notice how conservative he got, and how fast, once he was done fooling the minority of the electorate about his true concerns; being in no particular order: big oil, daddy's rep, jeb's re-election (voted for McBride already!) and breaking that unsightly wall between church and state.
personally, i consider myself moderate left. not only don't i trust the GOP's intentions, nor words, but they have consistently had a penchant to go one up on the Donkey dandies. forget tax and spend liberals. they go for TAX CUT AND SPEND! what planet do they come from????? oh wait, i forgot, jesus loves them, and they get a big credit card with our fortunes every so often to pay haliburton, or maybe see a Rangers game. Priceless . . . . . .
nice rant boy. look dude, you vote the issues, sad fact is, the politicians vote the party line, with little exception. alignments with special interests? we ARE a special interest, or are you planning on voting for "trustworthy" computing. please excuse Fritz Hollings, he is from south carolina (hope i've offended some special interest with the upcoming) and since Strom Thurmond is so old, he's not sure what planet he's on, SOMEONE has to stand up from South Carolina for Ignorance and Stupidity.
bottom line, i can find very little good in the Compassionate Conservative agenda. lets face it, the reason they're compassionate is cuz they are stepping on %80 of the country with their corporate shill policies.
however, if John McCain runs for Prez again in '04 i might switch party affiliations SOLELY for the privelege of voting for him in the primary and general elections.
i'm sorry, but jessie helms is a lame duck, possibly senile old man, on his way out. he probably thought he was in favor of online betting for cockfights.
all you techies includes me, and what they stand for is a cliche. please, don't tell me i don't read/. i was going to moderate in this thread, but the first post was way too juicy to pass up.
thank McCain for the campaingn finance attempt. its the money that makes the monkey dance, and those GOP boys sure do dance to a slightly droll, 60 beats per minute corporate tune.
some hope lies in a few laws introduced at the end of session this year for consumer protection. that means that at least a few lawmakers (why has that become such a dirty word) ar e noticing that they have a constituency. i said noticing. we haven't finished paying for them yet. one day . . . . .
Just remember tomorrow all you techies. When you're at the poll, Just Say No to the conservative right. They are the true enemy. All of these bad laws have been under their watch in Congress. Throw the bums out!
Look, there is a place for this pro-Democrat FUD, and it's called the Democratic National Convention.
what FUD? it has been worse than i could have ever predicted. no, i present the reality of Bush's administration as the reason he must go.
This decision has NOTHING to do with Ashcroft, Kotelly was the judge, and she was a CLINTON appointee. When it comes down to it, JACKSON blew this case, and the states didn't feel like waiting around for a Part 2, so most settled for crap. I can't blame DOJ, and I'm not sure that it would have been too different under Clinton. Though misguided, it's hard to argue with the idea that getting consumers some benefit is better than retrying the case until it's irrelevant and Microsoft no longer cares, so they settle.
agreed, jackson did blow the case by being too media friendly, but that really shouldn't be a good reason to find that m$ is a monopoly thru illegal tactics, oh, we'll just punish you by saying Bad M$, Bad! fact is, the "remedies" are too little too late. and if the DoJ had stuck with it, there would have been a better chance at a real effective result. a house divided against itsself falls.
Anyone see what Harvey Pitt's been doing lately?
I hear what NPR tells me, since they hate all things Bush administration. Face it, he could have crucified Ken Lay and you still wouldn't have thought it was enough, because he's a Republican.this is nothing to do with lay, and everything to do with his complete and utter failure to restore faith in the financial markets integrity, in a non-partisan, non-biased way. if a dem had done what Pitt has done, or for that matter anyone not in a bush administration (see blind loyalty), they would have been outed already. anyone else.
We wuz robbed! Gore in '04!
I don't like Bush too much either, but running Gore is the best way to ensure his re-election. And don't start with that "robbed" crap, if you want to discount fraudulent ballots, like those cast by convicted felons that were 90+% Gore, it wouldn't have been close.
dude, the reps make it look like a few felons to you, that's politics, fact is, jeb let any monkeywrench he could fall into the works, then stonewalled at every turn with his pet bitch K. Harris (his political appointee, she's a whole bad story to herself). fact is, our democracy is resillient enough to withstand such hucksterism only occasionally. there's only a thin line between american democracy and argentinian democracy (especially here in Miami). the line dissapears in matters of race (riots, looting, etc.), if i happens in matters of politics, we're all in trouble. look at the kansas voting in the 1850's for a good example of American polling violence, it was not unlike Jamaica today. another crooked election, and there may be blood on the streets, two more, and it might be incumbent blood. NOTE: I do NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE IN ANY SITUATION, nor to solve any problem. I am a minority.
to paraphrase the "Great Communicator" are you better off today than you were two years ago?
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good show! lets all whip out our commodore 64s now!
yes, but obvious to all of us today is different than obvious to one man 10 years ago. did anyone in politics "hold these truths to be self-evident" like basic freedoms we enjoy today, like free speech, before someone wrote it? no.
I use apera with no plugins so i don't really care, but this is a total bullshit patant. Maybe I should patent plugins for the next type of app to come out, will that be valid? I surely hope not.
dude, i use every browser i can lay hands on, cept for maybe galleon. unless you go to a flash page and see all blanks, you are using a plugin. opera uses them, only one that wouldn't and is still in current use is lynx (my first :). yes, if you can figure an unpatented use of extensible technology, you should patent it. then /. will write an article about AvatarX, super genious, man ahead of his times. until then, stop calling other people's ideas "obvious".
yes, it would possibly lead to a settlement and royalty payment, but chances are, that this could also lead to a new browser war. remember, this new anti-trust agreement is all about the browser, and M$ will have a tough time smooshing capable browsers in favor of crippleware and saying that it's all in the name of innovation.
come to think of it, will any current content on the web work with palladium? m$ seems to be trying to enfore these limitations on themselves.
guess what? they're not gonna remove the feature from M$ users with non-intrusive licenses. this is where the XP/2k sp3 license will come to haunt consumers and M$ alike. they lose the case, and the poor saps who agreed to let m$ raid their machines could find themselves forced to Swallow a restricted version of IE. have fun winblows lovers
i really like the current version of OmniWeb :)
there are as many patents as appz, in fact many go into some individual appz. ever read about the cat fights between Adobe and Macromedia? just open photoshop and look at all the patent declarations if you don't believe me.
just look at the m$ loss in court to Lindows over trademark violation. it can, and has happened. just say Lindows 500 times a day as your mantra, and everything will work out in the end. . . . . LindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsL indowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLi ndowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLindowsLin dowsLindowsLindowsLindows
i'm a mac user, we don't need no stinkin cases! i just keep it all in stacks, stack o hard drives, floppy, cd-r, dsl modem. the stacks are a more efficient solution because they are easy to search yet hard to crash . . . . . lol. . . and i don't go out on fridays, Saturday's my night
i USED to read those things, and i sold everything i had in spring 2000 at its inflated peak, went to europe for a vacation, came home broke and got on with my life. thanks for askin
moderated well. look dude, the design house i service does alot of work for large clients, ever hear of citigroup or burger king? they do have 2 or 3 windows designers, if m$ could handle it (they do web stuff along with print and massive format printing, so its a joke to say it could), they would.
first and foremost would be the addition of barriers of entry. there are not enough geeks in the world right now, as is, and the demand for talent grows in many ways like moore's law in reguard to population/geeks percentage.
in addition, one of the greatest contributory factors in the tech business is the attraction of highly intelligent, individuals to not only develop, but administer and many many other jobs. many of these people are not college grads, but have simply dived into the box and gotten good at it. the tech industry gives premiums to experience right now. some of these people are routing this very post right now, they're friends and colleagues of mine.
organizations like these will also give the potential for further specialization of the field, a thought that makes me shudder.
lastly, while there are many outstanding Comp Sci departments in fine universities, there are also many of them that live one to three years behind, and graduate Computer Field Managers (or BDMs in M$ speak). these are technically literate individuals, who take comp sci as their management degree. the thought of those people becoming pre-dominant in the field overall makes the beaurocratic fears of a Union look like a picnic. bottom line, the college experience appeals most to folks who are likely to be more social, but not necessarily more talented. no offense to those who have a comp sci degree, or the fine institutions of true higher education. however, many many folks graduate from diploma-mill comp sci depts., and their status in such a group will devalue the degree of people who come from better programs.
i do strongly agree that some sort of more centralized organization would be highly useful. perhaps something more like a guild than a union. (make d&d accusation here, i never got into it anyway). something that is less rule bound, more based on reputation and prior works. deals more with personal credentialing than with monetary donations, but has the pool of membership to raise large sums of cash when called upon. a group that democratically sets an agenda, and sponsors political ideas, with the power to take broad based actions to protest the unchecked political policies we all hate (Fritz and DMCA, et. al). all in all, an organization that's lean in the middle, and agile, like the business that we're in.
Trying to figure out how to install and run apps under MacOS X is a lot more complicated than Windows.
this says to me that you have completely spoken out of your buttocks. most mac installs follow this procedure: step 1) insert cd step 2) copy the application into your favorite place for those things step 3) mess with your new app.
call it a year cowboy
why'd u people remind me that ME exisists, i had gotten over it, almost
to say something ON TOPIC HERE. unfortunately for Sendo, they seem to have forgotten to ditch ALL of their MicroCrap. its so /.'d down, i don't even get the fancy call your administrator message (i wish stupid users would stop calling me when they see that). oh well, off to google
how bout basic, its still alive i hear. and it makes the best turtle tracks! wow. . . . .
fact is, not only do attorneys not like to be sued for bad advice, but when in doubt, they tend to behave like beaurocrats, and NO is the easiest, most cost efficient answer.
open source is an uphill battle with entrenched enterprises that aren't called IBM.
the point is, that to most shareholders, telling them that their company made something to give away for free sounds bad. just how it is.
and yes, i have released some nice open source thingees myself (not alot yet, but workin on it), this is not a Winblows coder speaking, just a realist
agree with the top, but i've never heard of a "Nasty gun control law"? lets face it, guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. sure beats the hell out of a baseball bat for most people. what's etc.?????
go take your .357 S & W and find some better planet to use it, like Columbia.
please someone moderate this bitch off ./ , i would, but have already posted (like alot) and can't myself in this post. i'l find the rest of yours tho dude, i promise.
good job moderators
thoughtful post
that didn't quite come out right dude, i don't mean it as a personal attack against your comments, but you know what i mean.
personally, i consider myself moderate left. not only don't i trust the GOP's intentions, nor words, but they have consistently had a penchant to go one up on the Donkey dandies. forget tax and spend liberals. they go for TAX CUT AND SPEND! what planet do they come from????? oh wait, i forgot, jesus loves them, and they get a big credit card with our fortunes every so often to pay haliburton, or maybe see a Rangers game. Priceless . . . . . .
bottom line, i can find very little good in the Compassionate Conservative agenda. lets face it, the reason they're compassionate is cuz they are stepping on %80 of the country with their corporate shill policies.
however, if John McCain runs for Prez again in '04 i might switch party affiliations SOLELY for the privelege of voting for him in the primary and general elections.
all you techies includes me, and what they stand for is a cliche. please, don't tell me i don't read /. i was going to moderate in this thread, but the first post was way too juicy to pass up.
some hope lies in a few laws introduced at the end of session this year for consumer protection. that means that at least a few lawmakers (why has that become such a dirty word) ar e noticing that they have a constituency. i said noticing. we haven't finished paying for them yet. one day . . . . .
apply flames here:
what FUD? it has been worse than i could have ever predicted. no, i present the reality of Bush's administration as the reason he must go.
This decision has NOTHING to do with Ashcroft, Kotelly was the judge, and she was a CLINTON appointee. When it comes down to it, JACKSON blew this case, and the states didn't feel like waiting around for a Part 2, so most settled for crap. I can't blame DOJ, and I'm not sure that it would have been too different under Clinton. Though misguided, it's hard to argue with the idea that getting consumers some benefit is better than retrying the case until it's irrelevant and Microsoft no longer cares, so they settle.
agreed, jackson did blow the case by being too media friendly, but that really shouldn't be a good reason to find that m$ is a monopoly thru illegal tactics, oh, we'll just punish you by saying Bad M$, Bad! fact is, the "remedies" are too little too late. and if the DoJ had stuck with it, there would have been a better chance at a real effective result. a house divided against itsself falls.
Anyone see what Harvey Pitt's been doing lately? I hear what NPR tells me, since they hate all things Bush administration. Face it, he could have crucified Ken Lay and you still wouldn't have thought it was enough, because he's a Republican.this is nothing to do with lay, and everything to do with his complete and utter failure to restore faith in the financial markets integrity, in a non-partisan, non-biased way. if a dem had done what Pitt has done, or for that matter anyone not in a bush administration (see blind loyalty), they would have been outed already. anyone else.
We wuz robbed! Gore in '04! I don't like Bush too much either, but running Gore is the best way to ensure his re-election. And don't start with that "robbed" crap, if you want to discount fraudulent ballots, like those cast by convicted felons that were 90+% Gore, it wouldn't have been close.
dude, the reps make it look like a few felons to you, that's politics, fact is, jeb let any monkeywrench he could fall into the works, then stonewalled at every turn with his pet bitch K. Harris (his political appointee, she's a whole bad story to herself). fact is, our democracy is resillient enough to withstand such hucksterism only occasionally. there's only a thin line between american democracy and argentinian democracy (especially here in Miami). the line dissapears in matters of race (riots, looting, etc.), if i happens in matters of politics, we're all in trouble. look at the kansas voting in the 1850's for a good example of American polling violence, it was not unlike Jamaica today. another crooked election, and there may be blood on the streets, two more, and it might be incumbent blood. NOTE: I do NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE IN ANY SITUATION, nor to solve any problem. I am a minority.
to paraphrase the "Great Communicator" are you better off today than you were two years ago?