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Sendo Can't Get Microsoft Source; Ditches Windows
An anonymous submitter wrote: "Just when you thought the award-winning data leech Microsoft had become invincible... cellphone manufacturer Sendo, in a statement on the front page of its web site, announces the termination of its Z100 smartphone development on the Microsoft platform, licensing the rival Symbian from Nokia instead. (Further reports by ZDnet and Heise.)"
L I N U X
76 73 78 85 88 - as ASCII values
4 1 6 4 7 - digits added
\_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
4 1 6 4 7 - digits added
Thus, "linux" is 41647.
Turn the number backwards, and add 1945 - the year a worldwide conspiracy known as the United Nations was founded. The number is now 76559.
Add 5991 to it - this is the year O J Simpson was acquitted for double murder, written backwards - you will get 82550.
Add 96 to it - this is the symbol of perversion and pleasue in sin, written backwards - you will get 82646.
Turn the number backwards, and add 111 - the only triplet that can ever be prime. The number is now 64739.
Add 2591 to it - this is the year killer fog haunted London, written backwards - you will get 67330.
This, when read backwards, gives 03376. This is 1790 in octal, the year US patent system was established (eevil)...
Evil, QED.
I guess this is the way that vendors can get a change out of Microsoft. If you don't like someones product, take your business somewhere else.
~S
Oh, I'm sure they'll repent to everybody they ever screwed, now that they know what it feels like. NOT! They'll probably just use more Halloween stuff to kill Nokia and Sendo. Anyway, it's nice to see a company slap M$ in the face on their front page. It kinda give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Or mabe that's just the caffeine.
Karma: Bizzare (mostly affected by varying internal caffeine levels.)
Well, hopefully (but I doubt it), this will be the death nail for stinker.
Symbian is reliable, isn't bloated and open. Every thing stinker isn't. I am so glad this has happened. This now leaves MS will NO stinker phones out there - or coming very soon.
Symbian have to convince MS lovers that Stinker phones smartphones isn't the way to go. Just imagine having to install virus checkers on your smartphone and disable all the features to keep your MS phone secure from viruses that try to phone up premuim rate numbers! No thanks.
Windows keeps on getting better and better. From it's award-winning design to it's revolutionary kernel architecture, Windows is the best in the biz. Says Internet Guru Dan Hertzfeld, "I rely on Windows and Office for Windows every day to deliver top-notch performance and it has never let me down." Many others praise Windows, too, including Chief Technology Officer Bill Patterson of Ford Motor Company, "Windows allows us to leverage our most valuable assets, people, into a world-class synergy to delight customers all over the globe."
Gentlemen, how about a mirror? Their site appears to be served on a cell modem.
Uh, what are you on about?
Read the article. Read the link. Read this.
phones. When you are trying to packet send and receive while jumping from cell to cell, you don't want the OS hung while a Window repaints, or an icon flickers on and off. You want an realtime OS tied down to the actual sending/recieving packets and doing the d/a a/d conversion on the speaker and microphone. You want a steady stream of conversation, you don't want the equivalent of an oral hourglass.
This is also why Windowing software is also the wrong paradigm for industrial strength routers. The reason CICSCO certified people make such great money compared to test passsing MCSE monkeys is that the Cisco OS is all commandline/terminal driven, when you're routing a T3, you don't the overhead for pretty graphics.
i love it when a plan falls apart!
That was classic intercourse!
Sendo Z100 NOT TO LAUNCH
Company Statement
Sendo has terminated its Smartphone development program utilising the Microsoft Windows Powered Smartphone 2002 software.
As a result, Sendo regrets to announce that it will not be shipping the Z100 Smartphone.
It has been a very difficult decision for Sendo given its leadership position in the development of smart devices. We are disappointed that we will not be able to ship the Z100 given the high level of interest shown in the device.
Although a set back, we are pleased to announce today that we have licensed the Series 60 platform from Nokia for our smartphone category. We believe this will create the opportunity for us to continue as a lead player in the development of smartphone products for 2003.
SENDO CHOOSES NOKIA'S SERIES 60 PLATFORM FOR ITS SMART PHONES
Thu Nov 7 2002
Sendo, a British mobile phone manufacturer, today announced that the company has decided to license Series 60 Platform from Nokia for its smart phone category. The Series 60 is a software platform for feature- and application rich smart phones that Nokia licenses to mobile handset manufacturers. The platform is optimised to run on top of the Symbian OS. Sendo joins as the newest member to the Series 60 licensing community with Matsushita, Samsung, Siemens and Nokia.
"Earlier this fall we reviewed our smart phone strategy. While our mission of providing customers with feature-rich and ubiquitous devices remains unaltered, seeing that the Series 60 fully embraces both our mission and the new strategy we decided to approach Nokia," said Hugh Brogan, Chief Executive Officer of Sendo Holdings Plc. "The platform utilises open standards and technologies, such as MMS and Java , jointly developed by the industry. The platform is robust, yet uniquely flexible, bringing great benefits to licensees, operators, developers and consumers."
"We welcome Sendo, a pioneer in smart phone development, to join our Series 60 community. We see that a combination of Sendo's technical expertise and growing market presence will bring significant contribution to the mobile market with Series 60 devices. Interoperable solutions that are built on open and common industry standards are proving to be the winning formula in meeting demands of business users and consumers alike," said Niklas Savander, Vice President and General Manager, Nokia Mobile Software.
Nokia licenses Series 60 Platform as a source code. The model enables licensees to contribute to the development of the platform while fully executing their individual business strategy, brand and customer requirements in fast developing and highly competitive mobile communications market. Licensees will be able to include the Series 60 into their own smart phone designs, thus speeding up the rollout of new phone models at lower costs.
The Series 60 is a comprehensive software platform for smart phones, created for mobile phone users that demand easy-to-use, one-hand operated handsets with high-quality colour screens, rich communications and enhanced applications. The Series 60 platform consists of the key telephony and personal information management applications, the browser and messaging clients, as well as a complete and modifiable user interface, all designed to run on top of the Symbian OS, an operating system for advanced, data enabled mobile phones.
It's a reference to the Big Brother aspects of MS.
The first and final nail in MS's coffin.
Bigtime!! Bet MS are scared! That's gonna hurt their bottom line!
Are the editors not even trying to appear like normal, rational human beings rather than blithering idiot linux fanboys?
Well, to give them credit the blithering belonged to an "anonymous submitter" and not the slashdot editors.
Who the hell is "Sendo" and why should I care that this company no one has heard of has "stood up" to Microsoft?
Nothing about the source in the article. Nothing on the front page either. Maybe in the detail of the front page item (link) but its slashdotted. Somehow I doubt they mention the source. Only "open standards and technologies"
As a big thank you to Sendo from all us Linux loving hippies, we will now /. your server.
Again, thanks!
I'm not sure where the "can't get source" comment in the title came from. I clicked through to the announcement, read both stories, and even translated the german text, and nothing in there said they terminated the agreement due to inability to get the source.
- "When you want something with all your heart, the entire universe conspires to give it to you" -Paulo Coelho
Sendo ditched MS! Quick, sell all MS you can! Clearly it's about to go bankrupt!
Really, I'd be more worried about Sendo.
Not that I like Microsoft, but this is really non-news. MS does tens of alliances a day, and it's news when one falls through? Geez.
One more thing: If MS really cared about this deal, I bet you they could buy Sendo, stock, lock and barrel. And pay for it in cash.
How about some real news, now?
Where did this come from? I read all the links and saw nothing about this being due to Sendo being unable to get the source... From their homepage, it sounds like they just decided Symbian was a better way to go...
Sendo junks MS smartphone, joins Nokia camp
:-(
BTW, What happened to theregus.com? It seems to be gone.
Sendo was listed as one of the first SmartPhone (what a misnomer) partners: who else joined? Have they put anything out yet?
but I have to question the business heads of those who cancel a product DAYS BEFORE THE LAUNCH...
;) ) then surely its worth showing your stock holders that you HAVE something for the millions spent on R&D
Sure, it must have been a hard decision, but unless they made some huge fkup working out the per-device costing (did they forget to license windows?
But, as I said at the start of the article... good luck to them
Now, not only have they "wasted" millions, they will probably have the beast on their back
1) businesses cancel deals all the time
2) for every deal like this that sinks ms will probably ink three more
3) there is NO way we are going to get the open source boat any further by talking about the supposed evil of the competition, it takes ACTION
4) the best way you can take action is probably by taking one of the toy applications that are currently available for the 'free' os's and turn it into something real, it's a level playingfield out there.
5) nobody stops you from attacking redmond on their own turf by say working all out on a competitor for office, which is much more of a stronghold than the os will ever be.
Case in point, I just downloaded knoppix, and the msword viewer/editor that comes with it can not even properly display the simplest word documents.
And in the past lack of openness from manufacturers was no deterrent to developing applications compatible with their products, reverse assembly is perfectly acceptable.
So, stop whining and start working.
MP3 Search Engine
how can it be a leader in the market if it can't even sort out its products operating system?
What a load of marketing wank.
Invoicing, Time Tracking, Reporting
I cant find any referance to the reason Sendo decided to ditch Microsoft.
Where is the referance to Microsoft source code?
Apparently sendo doesn't want to make money. Don't get me wrong symbian is great, but at this point in time it seams to me that people would much rather buy an MS enabled phone than a Symbian one. Also, I wonder what kind of delay it will add to their device, which already has been postponed numerous times. It seems to me like its never going to make it to market.
im a hippie
Sendo Z100 NOT TO LAUNCH
Company Statement
Sendo has terminated its Smartphone development program utilising the Microsoft Windows Powered Smartphone 2002 software.
As a result, Sendo regrets to announce that it will not be shipping the Z100 Smartphone.
It has been a very difficult decision for Sendo given its leadership position in the development of smart devices. We are disappointed that we will not be able to ship the Z100 given the high level of interest shown in the device.
Although a set back, we are pleased to announce today that we have licensed the Series 60 platform from Nokia for our smartphone category. We believe this will create the opportunity for us to continue as a lead player in the development of smartphone products for 2003.
SENDO CHOOSES NOKIA'S SERIES 60 PLATFORM FOR ITS SMART PHONES
Thu Nov 7 2002
Sendo, a British mobile phone manufacturer, today announced that the company has decided to license Series 60 Platform from Nokia for its smart phone category. The Series 60 is a software platform for feature- and application rich smart phones that Nokia licenses to mobile handset manufacturers. The platform is optimised to run on top of the Symbian OS. Sendo joins as the newest member to the Series 60 licensing community with Matsushita, Samsung, Siemens and Nokia.
"Earlier this fall we reviewed our smart phone strategy. While our mission of providing customers with feature-rich and ubiquitous devices remains unaltered, seeing that the Series 60 fully embraces both our mission and the new strategy we decided to approach Nokia," said Hugh Brogan, Chief Executive Officer of Sendo Holdings Plc. "The platform utilises open standards and technologies, such as MMS and Java , jointly developed by the industry. The platform is robust, yet uniquely flexible, bringing great benefits to licensees, operators, developers and consumers."
"We welcome Sendo, a pioneer in smart phone development, to join our Series 60 community. We see that a combination of Sendo's technical expertise and growing market presence will bring significant contribution to the mobile market with Series 60 devices. Interoperable solutions that are built on open and common industry standards are proving to be the winning formula in meeting demands of business users and consumers alike," said Niklas Savander, Vice President and General Manager, Nokia Mobile Software.
Nokia licenses Series 60 Platform as a source code. The model enables licensees to contribute to the development of the platform while fully executing their individual business strategy, brand and customer requirements in fast developing and highly competitive mobile communications market. Licensees will be able to include the Series 60 into their own smart phone designs, thus speeding up the rollout of new phone models at lower costs.
The Series 60 is a comprehensive software platform for smart phones, created for mobile phone users that demand easy-to-use, one-hand operated handsets with high-quality colour screens, rich communications and enhanced applications. The Series 60 platform consists of the key telephony and personal information management applications, the browser and messaging clients, as well as a complete and modifiable user interface, all designed to run on top of the Symbian OS, an operating system for advanced, data enabled mobile phones.
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New H1B visa bill signed into law
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"It is now official. On November 2, US President George Bush signed the department of justice Authorisation Bill which will make extension for H-1B visas easier.
It will also make it possible for more Indian doctors to live and work in the US once their academic programme is over.
The extension of H-1B visas will particularly benefit the IT sector. This is good news for Indian H-1B visa holders, as nearly 50% of them are working in the high-tech sector. "
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/h tml/uncomp/articleshow?artid=27499106
It doesn't say anything directly about Linux.
So the editors would be blithering idiot OSS/Java fanboys.
...would have been nice, before giving Nokia full ownership of Symbian. As the article says the licensed software is optimised to run on Symbian, but it is not Symbian. From the Symbian website: "Symbian was established as a private independent company in June 1998 and is owned by Ericsson, Nokia, Matsushita (Panasonic), Motorola, Psion, Siemens and Sony Ericsson. Headquartered in the UK, it has offices in Japan, Sweden, UK and the USA."
Although many will doubtless claim this is insignificant to MS - the fact they're further delayed in getting their own hardware out there will do them serious damage in the mobile device arena. Nokia and other phone manufacturers have a growing army of 3rd party developers writing new software for their devices, which in turn makes them more desirable for anyone who wishes to expand their capabilities. Although the phone manufacturers are making some mistakes (mostly messing about with the J2ME standard classes, and offering little support) the number of apps is increasing very quickly.
;-)
Contrast this with MS, who have no platform, no 3rd party developers (as far as I know), and very little to offer over the established brands. The other mobile makers already have software to sync their devices with Windows/Linux/Mac OS', and they're pretty reliable.
MS is going to have a very very hard battle trying to convince anyone to buy their phones, even moreso than the XBox - which isn't doing well compared to the competition.
This is a good thing
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
None of that was typed by the editor, see here at slashdots if it's in italics it's from the submitter. If you think the editors should reject a submission just because of some fanboyism in the submitters comments then go start your own "unbiased" newsite, see if you get over a half million hits a day.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Slashdot reader can't get story, ditches article.
Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley
You must be new around here. Michael only posts monopoly bashing posts and stuff only a few care about.
It's not that it's command line or terminal driven (directly) as much as there is simply far less people cisco certified than MCSE certified. Simple supply and demand will raise the salaries(price) of the more rare resource.
And that has to be the most insightful observation ever made in this entire MS versus the Fanboy war. I'd give you a few more point's myself, if I could.
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Many others praise Windows, too, including Chief Technology Officer Bill Patterson of Ford Motor Company, "Windows allows us to leverage our most valuable assets, people, into a world-class synergy to delight customers all over the globe."
<sarcasm>It's no surprise that Ford relies on Microsoft products, because Ford sure knows quality.</sarcasm>
I can't help but wonder how delighted their customers must be, when they have to bring their Focus back into the dealership for yet another safety recall every month or so.
Ford ought to be partnering with Microsoft to put a "Critical Update Notification" feature into next year's model: "...Simply plug a phone line into your Focus every night, and the car will dial into Ford's headquarters and download a list of that day's newly-discovered critical safety flaws that you'll need to have repaired immediately..."
Thankfully, I don't own one of the little beasts, but one of my friends does.
~Philly
I would guess that "The Reg US"--a rather dodgy attempt to grow their American audience through minimal repackaging of what turned out to be mostly the same content--wasn't getting the results which Vulture Central had hoped for. So perhaps they just quietly killed it in the middle of the night.
Good riddance, I say. Aside from being a half-baked idea, the sight of an American flag pasted up next to the noble Vulture logo was just painful.
(And I AM American; I can only imagine the horror for British readers.)
Microsoft is trying to hook it's claws into all things digital (including phones, appliances and cars). The fact that their programs are unqualified for such activities is irrelevant to them. This is, fortunately, a setback. Hopefully, a big one.
I was stuck at the Hyatt in downtown Chicago this past weekend and was watching Forbes on Fox. Steve Forbes and his writers and editors were speculating on tech futures when they brought up hopeful Nokia and Motorola sales increases. One of the panel, via satelite, discounted the possible sales increase with the reasoning that Microsoft is entering the cell arena with OEMs rather than traditional cell phone manufacturers and that that would stimey Moto and Nokia. To which one of the enlightenned panel members replied:
I've had to agonize with Microsoft on my computer, I certainly don't want them on my cell phone."
It was an unexpected comment and I couldn't stop chuckling.
put the what in the where?
I was just thinking this, honestly. Do some people really scour the net constantly looking for news that could be construed as negative for Microsoft?
If so, sheesh. Get a life.
I gave away my cellphone a couple of weeks ago, because I was waiting for the Smartphone to come out, it has some very nice features. To be honest, the only feature that I was looking forward to, was the one where XBox Live players could invite you to a game and if your XBox is not powered on, you'll receive the invite on your cellphone. I love that. I don't wanna miss out on the fun.
Oh please. I didn't know whether to respond or mod you down on this one. I choose the former.
Of course Stingray (Windows for cellphones) uses an underlying RTOS. I interviewed with that group. We talked about it. All of the fancy UI/Windows stuff is in a low-priority task.
Just like with the Palm OS. The "Palm OS" doesn't actually run the PDA. It runs on top of a small RTOS kernel that handles interrupts, hardware drivers, and other real-time things that have little to do with the UI. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the same Palm OS runs on different RTOS kernels. In fact, I can almost guarantee you that the Qualcomm Palm thingy they had a few years ago likely did not use the same RTOS kernel as my Palm Vx.
And you comment about Cisco Certified Internet Engineers and Command-line interfaces is a joke, right? A CCIE doesn't make more money because he or she can use a terminal instead of dragging icons. They make more money because internetworking is more of a niche and is arguably more complex than setting up Windows. It also costs much more to become CCIE than MCSE. Trust me, Cisco's next generation routers will be configured remotely through a graphical interface. I guess when that happens, CCIE's will be making just as much as a MCSE, huh?
Yes the article states that they are ditching MS, but other than stating the openness of Symbian source code, there doesn't seem to be any specific reference stating that Sendo ditches Windows because it "can't get Microsoft source".
The more companies that gets used to have access to the source code and being able to make modifications the better. Once you are familiar with the concept its much easier to uncerstand why Gnu/linux works and what benefits it can bring. Also its much harder to fool someone with things like Shared Source if they are knowledged in GPL etc. and can see the really big differences between licenses.
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> Are the editors not even trying to appear like normal, rational human beings rather than blithering idiot linux fanboys?
Are posters not even trying to appear like they read the links and not even considering that the text they're bitching about wasn't written by the editors?
PS. Data leech is somebody who takes data from somewhere without volountarily repaying in kind. People believe they are far more individualist than they truely are; the better companies get at matching our perceived 'wants', the more likely we are to change in a manner that befits the company. In other words, when companies get access to what kinds of marketing/communication/interests influence your decision making process, your power of free choice is sacrificed. In the extreme, this would be companies finding out what things are important to you, and using those things as ways of manipulating you. Advertising becomes _very_ effective when the advertiser knows what your weaknesses are.
"Old man yells at systemd"
The paradigm of GNU/Linux is one of throwing off the shackles of oppressive, business-savvy regimes.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see GNU/Linux installed on every computer in the world, at gunpoint if necessary.
So, to get rid of oppressive regimes we should shoot people for not using Linux?
Book description of "Programming for the Series 60 Platform and Symbian OS" here
Seriously, the possibilites are
1) It wouldn't work or fit
2) Bad licencing (terms or cost)
3) Figured that Symbian would dominate
-asb
For some reason, I'm beginning to think that this could signify a slow paradigm-shift in certain tech-savvy industries.
I worked for a telecommunications company that had started using NT 3.51/4.0 for embedded system work, because we were using off-the-shelf industrial servers, and at the time, Microsoft' Systems Architect for NT was gearing things toward being fairly decent as an embedded system. When the latter iteration of NT 4.0 and then 2000 came out, they had clearly changed their intent, and our product, to use a technical term, was "fucked". Ultimately, an investor with cold feet spelled the end of the company, but it was taking quite a long time to adapt to the new platform, and this was seen as a big problem.
We had trusted Microsoft to keep the platform stable for our uses, and they failed to do so. Had we had the source code to the OS, we could have potentially rewritten the parts that we needed to make things work, while still giving them their licensing fee for the newest product. We never (obviously) had the chance.
Now, I work for an organization that has to maintain a massive database, and while we bought the software that we use, we also received the source code, so we actively maintain our end. We and our vendor work to determine what changes we as an organization made, and sometimes these changes are rolled back into the next release or step of the product, if they're universally beneficial. Others aren't, and we simply have to go and check the new versions to make our changes. This approach works very well.
Even if 'open source' isn't the answer to everyones' problems, simply having the source at all can be very beneficial. Hopefully, more and more medium to large companies and organizations will realise this, and that this, rather than lawsuits, attacks, etc, will cause people to abandon Microsoft.
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
Actually,
It looks like their web server is using Windows...
Life is the leading cause of death in America.
After reading that press release, it appears to me that they are just making excuses for their failures. If things were as bad as they say, they should have cut bait months ago.
I guess this helps deflect investor concerns. Not a huge annoucement IMO.
what? what I thought we were in the trust tree in the nest, were we not?
If this is true.... Why is FORD working on converting a chunk of their Servers to Linux.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - BF
A phone is made to talk to other people not to run windows or linux on. That is all we need is people driving talking on thier phone and playing solitare.
I hope I can get the source code to a Symbian and hack on it to improve the vibration modes, the "gooey" interface, and even make it go faster.
Oh, that's a Sybian. Never mind.
No, Vern. They just let him in.
They'll no doubt bring the same fine usability and security features they've perfected in Outlook to my cell phone's address book.
Just think of all the new capabilities we'll have! Helpful users (especially those swell guys in eastern europe!) will no doubt quickly create vbscript autodialers. Heck, my phone will probably call my friends more often that I do!
And that's the Microsoft Promise: "We do things so you don't have to!"
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The press release from Microsoft and a discussion at news.com.
It will be a cold day in hell before CCIEs stop using a command line interface. Being able to use config files and command lines has many advantages that will be familiar to *nix users.
Various web-based GUIs exist for Cisco routers (some of them are built in), as well as larger-scale provisioning/activation systems for QoS, IP VPNs, etc, which include GUIs as well as APIs. The latter don't replace CCIEs but they make it possible to use less skilled provisioning staff to do certain complex and repetitive configuration actions using the CLI.
There have been various efforts to provide a better protocol for provisioning systems to configure devices (e.g. COPS and now XMLCONF), but none of them has really taken off.
Is there anyway to give a -1 Flamebait to a submission? SHEESH!
Great links ... the last paragraph of Dan Gillmore's article gets to the crux of this and many other modern problems:
The one chance is for people to realize what's at stake and do something difficult: Make choices that mean less convenience today in order to have liberty tomorrow. Americans are lousy at this, but a lot is now at stake. You may not care. You should.
Yup. Americans ARE lousy at this, at least nowadays. We are the proud, the free, willing to fight for liberty justice for all, as long as we can do it with a remote from the couch. Today's America is a golden land of opportunity for anybody who can figure out clever ways to exploit our overriding aversion to inconvenience. That's the problem. Come up with a good solution to that, and the rest is details. My great fear is that fixing our sheep-like mentality is going to take something starkly real and immediate, like guerrilla warfare in our streets or an economic depression on the scale of the 1930s.
"In the extreme, this would be companies finding out what things are important to you, and using those things as ways of manipulating you. Advertising becomes _very_ effective when the advertiser knows what your weaknesses are."
That being why many marketing gurus have psychology degrees. People don't have anywehre near as much free will as they'd like to believe. We're creatures of habit and instinct, and we're very easily manipulated.
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
...and immediately fires their asses for being mooches. Smartphone 2002 is poised to kick Nokia's proprietary ass. ou wouldn't believe how many people I know that walked away from Nokia's communicator thingy when they found out they couldn't load windows CE apps on it. Nokia you are gonna lose. Sendo has already lost.
You don't need to be Kreskin to predict *Windows's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *Windows faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *Windows because *Windows is dying. Things are looking very bad for *Windows. As many of us are already aware, *Windows continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenWindows leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenWindows. How many users of NetWindows are there? Let's see. The number of OpenWindows versus NetWindows posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetWindows users. Windows/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetWindows posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Windows/OS. A recent article put FreeWindows at about 80 percent of the *Windows market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeWindows users. This is consistent with the number of FreeWindows Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeWindows went out of business and was taken over by WindowsI who sell another troubled OS. Now WindowsI is also dead, its corpse turned over to another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *Windows has steadily declined in market share. *Windows is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *Windows is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyists, dabblers, and dilettantes. *Windows continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *Windows is dead.
Cisco has never felt compelled to use their cert as a marketing tool. Microsoft used the MSCE as a means to devalue Novell certs like CNEs in an application of Gresham's Law. Microsoft, faced competition with Novell and combined with a lack of integrity, dumped huge amounts of poorly trained people on the market. Sure enough MSCEs were easy to find and nobody knew the differece until the damage was done. They do the same thing to pump up their MSDN because all I did was buy a student C++ complier with IDE and MSFC 6.0 and I was on the list for 5 years while at the same time I saw MS publish the numbers to promote themselves. A Cisco cert certainly shows a little more effort. It might be a bad paradigm but Cisco certified people are much better trained because Cisco has not seen much credible competion and/or have the integrity not to cheapen the status of the people they stand behind. This tends to make a more reliable career for the people who want to work for it much like Novell in the old days.
We're totally off-topic now, but I would suspect Ford's latest financial results are drive enough to convert their servers to Linux.
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Why is it I can write insightful comments but can't come up with a clever signature?
I used to read both daily, but the US version wouldn't have the same stories. They would have a subset, leaving some out and offering nothing more. I took it out of my bookmarks because the *real* register offered everything.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
So what happens to the Amiga DE deal?
Who the hell is "Sendo"
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Will I retire or break 10K?
I would love to see GNU/Linux installed on every computer in the world, at gunpoint if necessary.
That would be the only way I'd use Lunix.
Then there is every possibility that Microsoft might try and stop the sale of your car because you can't transfer the license to the software. They'd need the buyer to buy a new Microsoft Windows CE for Automotive license. They've done it before.
Windows keeps on getting better and better.
After Windows ME, it couldnt really get worse could it?
Reuters has also has an article on the subject.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
That being why many marketing gurus have psychology degrees. People don't have anywehre near as much free will as they'd like to believe. We're creatures of habit and instinct, and we're very easily manipulated.
--- They may take our lives, but they will never take our FREEDOM!!!
Normally I would have a smart ass comment, but I don't think I need to say anything here.
Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel.
A common conclusion have been something like "Yeah, it looks like windows a bit, yeah, it can do some nice things but it is not really an good as pda, it takes 40 seconds to start and it is not a very nice telephone either."
A few reviews have contained rather nasty hints that it was *painfully* obvious that Microsoft was involved (original emphasis).
Faced with that, I'd probably cancel the product too, jump ship and be happy I didn't end up with an inventory of 100000 phones I couldn't sell.
Poul-Henning Kamp -- FreeBSD since before it was called that...
This is because a Cisco CCIE certification actually /means/ something. I've known a CCIE or three, and they've all told me that there's a lab test where the instructors are running around breaking the network, and to pass the test, you have to fix it real time. This is a far cry from MSIE, where you can pass the written test and still not know anything about how to fix issues in the real world.
Code or be coded.
Not on RedHad, buddy... that WILL get your ass in jail.
I was reporting a murderer on my Z100 Smartphone, and it was like, bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep. And then it was like, half the call was gone, and I was like hhggnnngnn? It devoured my call, and it was a really good call. I described him good, 'cause I like looked at him when he was after me. I had to call again really fast, but it wasn't as good 'cause he stabbed me, and it was, like, a bummer.
I'm Ellen Feiss, and when this sucking chest wound heals, I'm like, getting a Nokia.
--
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Brilliant idea. That way we also rid ourselves of the useless 7/8th of our population, including, but not limited to, phone booth sanitizers, marketing people and hairdressers. Oh wait...
"If anyone needs me, I'm in the angry dome."
" constantly scouring net for ..."
That is good work that will make a difference.
If you scoured the Net a little yourself you would quickly find ample evidence as to why
many are anxious to toil in the battle against
MS and for freedom.
While hearing a talk given by Sham Chakravorty (one of the founders of Signafore and in the comm field for 30 years this February) last night, he mentioned that while other router companies were putting pretty gui's on their network management interface Cisco was busy making fast and robust routers.
(this is a paraphrase... but I inferred that Cisco owned the market becuase they really had the better product)
Just becuase it is easier doesn't mean it is better.
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
My guess is that the phone was killed by software glitches; that they finally realized that the phone was too buggy to release.
A quick google shows that the Z100 project has been a long and painful journey.
The phone was to have been released last year, but was delayed because of trouble with GPRS. It was then supposed to have been released Q1 this year, but in March it was announced that it would be delayed until summer because of software glitches. And now they finally killed their darling.
Steve-O: "Yay! WHOOOOHOOOO! Developers, Developers, DEVELOPERS! WHO TOLD YOU TO SIT DOWN?"
Jules: "Nobody."
Steve-O: "What did you say?"
Jules: "I said 'Nobody'. Don't you speak english? What country are you from?"
Steve-O: "What???"
Jules: "'What' ain't no country I ever heard of. Do they speak english in 'What'?"
Steve-O: "What...."
Jules (draws gun, points at Steve-Os face): "Say 'What' again, SAY 'What' again, I dare you motherfucker, I double-dare you, say 'What' again..."
Steve-O: "But...but...I just was saying that our Software is sooo sweet and you should dance and sing and not sit down...."
Jules: "You don't give us the sources, so we're not dancenig our singing or buying no Software from you."
Steve-O: "What?"
BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Yeah, those engineers using SGI, HP, IBM, Apple and other various *nix machines at Ford sure do know how to design an unreliable car.
/. afterall.
Or were you implying that the IT guys, administrative employees and business managers using the PC systems at Ford have some sort of influence on design flaws?
Ford relies on Microsoft products for administrative and web purposes. If you want to blame a computing platform for design flaws (a bad choice imo), blame the platform being used to design these cars, blame *nix. I think a rational person might likely choose to blame the actual people/person that designed the faulty parts. Unless you were just spewing anti-ms FUD. In which case, carry on. This is
Hey swordboy!
Chief Technology Officer Bill Patterson of Ford Motor Company, "Windows allows us to leverage our most valuable assets, people, into a world-class synergy to delight customers all over the globe." ...to which the interviewer replied, "What? I didn't understand that last sentence." ...to which Patterson replied, "Here, have a cookie, that will explain everything."
...a British manufacturer of mobile phones.
I own a ford, the biggest safety flaw is me!
(Aside from the tree that drove into me, and the minibus that reversed into me, and fell apart, at a red light)
Working with Microsoft always reminds me of this fable.
Your answer is a good response to the recent post about the cost of open source vs. closed source.
I totally agree, though I also think that there's simply less interest in doing cisco work (generally) than being a windows admin (or at least there was 0-4 years ago.
Companies are seeing the despicable way that Microsoft has bullied computer manufacture's and decided not to go down the same path??
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
So what happens when you get a blue screen of death at 200kph on the autobahn?
I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
I have a question about a possible Microsoft avenue. Do you think Microsoft could sell their source code to a company for x amount of dollars and also require licenses for the derivatives of that modified OS?
Example
ABC Widget company buys the source for XP Pro for $20,000 and then, after modifying XP to actually do the stuff they need, they use 100 copies of it, and they have to pay Microsoft for 100 licenses of XP. Wouldn't this work? I mean, it would allow companies to work on XP, but also allow them to keep making money. One concern might be that the source might "get out" but I'm sure they'd figure out some way to know how it got out and then sue the company for all their worth. Anyways, just an idea, I don't know what yall would think of that...
This is my digital signature. 10011011001
why'd u people remind me that ME exisists, i had gotten over it, almost
to say something ON TOPIC HERE. unfortunately for Sendo, they seem to have forgotten to ditch ALL of their MicroCrap. its so /.'d down, i don't even get the fancy call your administrator message (i wish stupid users would stop calling me when they see that). oh well, off to google
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." - Rahm Emanuel
But the point is that CCIE is about general internetworking knowledge; the body of knowledge you need to pass the certification is wide and deep.
MCSE is not the same thing whatseover.
CCIEs make lots of money because there are not many peopel with their full set of skills out there in the world. In contrast, there are a bazillion and two MCSEs, and in many circles it is regarded as a worthless certification.
I don't know anyone who considers CCIE to be worthless.
For those who didn't get the humour in the parent posting should visit http://www.apple.com/switch/ads/ellenfeiss.html and http://www.ellenfeiss.net/.
"Linux is like my wife, hard to understand but very easy to get under the hood."
Never use your wife to make a statement, it will get thrown back at you.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
The Microsoft smartphone product is called Stinger, not "Stingray".
cpeterso
So it's nothing to do with the fact that they announced this phone YEARS ago, never released it and now orange have gone a developed their own similar phone which is actually going to be available and for much less money than sendo were planning on charging? I think is entirely possible they were simply unable to produce a competative phone and decided to blame someone else.
Sig is taking a break!
So, to get rid of oppressive regimes we should shoot people for not using Linux?
Yes, damnit! Hell, I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!
GIR: I'm going to sing the Doom song now. Doom doom doom doom doom doom de-doom doom doom doom doom doom doom...
I thought you could just download that of the M$ homepage? Has something changed or is this a diffrent product they were after?
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
I seem to remember about a year or so ago, Ford's servers were compromised and someone was downloading all their credit application information. As I recall, it had been going on for over a year before they realized it and ten of thousands of peoples credit info had been stolen. (Perhaps yours!)
I would guess this is the reason they are dumping Windows!
Then you must be one of the few who cares about the stuff Michael posts? Otherwise you wouldn't be reading the comments? No?
Dork.
There is no need to scour the net. Microsoft leaves its hoof-shaped footprints everywhere, for everyone to see, without anyone looking for it in particular.
I downloaded only one of Sendo's sample code zip files off of their developer's website. I found it to be very helpful. Much more helpful than any documentation that Microsoft has put out so far for the Smartphone platform. I was wondering if anyone had in their possession, the entire Sendo sample code library. If you do, I would really appreciate it if you could send me the zip files.
This is not insightful. None of the programs listed require windows or any part of the win32 (or other windows) API. There are other operating systems which can be used for anything which is done with Windows.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
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1. You may use our name in your advertisement provided that our name is positioned prominently upon the copy.
2. Your own product may appear on the copy provided that it does not appear too near our own. Adequate credit or acknowledge of our products is required, specifically mentioning how our product "enables" your product. Also, general mention of performance, speed or the like is beneficial. Also, some general comments about how much faster you were able to bring your product to market (because of us) would be appreciated. If you could somehow mention our product as being "secure" or even "incredibly secure", some additional market share will be arranged for you.
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In this final case, you can expect to be allowed to survive for a few months or perhaps even years. Our first iteration will likely not be quite as good as your own, but eventually we'll get it right. Or we might not, in which case we will drown your product out with advertising. In either case, we reserve the right to choose the method in which we carry out the "adoption" of your current market share. Please note, that submissive companies are handled more gently than those who struggle.
See you soon, and you should really ask for our department to supervise yours when you come on board. We used to be "independent" too. We really understand what your going to go through. We know how it seems like such a good thing to be on your own, but eventually you'll understand how much you are really holding back "true" progress and innovation.
P.S.Your shared source for this month is:
void main(){
}
This code fragment is used extensively throughout many of our products.
Am I the only one who thinks it's odd that they dumped microsoft (and their flagship product) shortly before they were due to launch?
Surely they knew that they were not going to get this source code for a long time - I cant imagine (for all their tricks), MS playing a practical joke on Sendo - promising source code and then repeatedly finding an excuse not to share it untill Sendo got sick of the whole thing and decides to split with MS.
More likely Nokia paid Sendo a bigger ammount of money than MS originally paid them to publicly ditch Microsoft, and thereby prolong microsoft's entry into the smartphone market.
I've been involved in licensing deals, and it is not as simple as the above implies.
You can come to an understanding. And then you bring in the lawyers. It pays for the licensor to drag things out to play hardball and backtrack on terms that you had agreed to.
These guys showed *a LOT* of guts not to just drop something on the market and then abandon it.
So does Anonymous Coward have good karma?
"Just like with the Palm OS. The "Palm OS" doesn't actually run the PDA. It runs on top of a small RTOS kernel that handles interrupts, hardware drivers, and other real-time things that have little to do with the UI. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the same Palm OS runs on different RTOS kernels. In fact, I can almost guarantee you that the Qualcomm Palm thingy they had a few years ago likely did not use the same RTOS kernel as my Palm Vx."
Actuallly, it usually does run on the same RTOS. The Qualcomm, and the later palm/phone combo's, including the latest samsung (drool) one have a seperate chipset for the phone and the OS functions. The integration between the 2 is strictly software. The more time and effort ou put into it, the more integrated they look. Qualcomm's integration absolutely sucked, Samsung's is quite good. Either way, it is faked.
All this said, it is Intel's wet dream to get into this market, and a major strategic push that they just announced was to make a single chip (note: not a single core) that would do both by 2005 if I remember the announcement right. Either way, we are a long way off from a RTOS running both halves.
-Charlie
"leverage" "assets" "world-class" "synergy"
BINGO!
BS-Bingo that is.
Funny, even without the launch those people on the front page are still laughing and yakking it up on their spiffy new phone. I wonder who's it is?
It's only a matter of time until they disappear entirely [yahoo.com] and are delisted [yahoo.com].
And what do we care?
VA isn't linux.
In fact you could bancrupt all commercial linux distributions and linux related companies, and it wouldn't kill linux.
Just a setback, and a recoverable one at that.
The only thing that kills an open source project is when the developer community loses interest in it.
With linux, I don't see that happening anytime soon...
"First lesson," Jon said. "Stick them with the pointy end."
Obviously they must either have hardware problems or a serious financial rethink going on (maybe Nokia helped them with that
I took one look at the site (click on the phone picture). Sheesh! They only are about 20 generations behind phones in Japan and the cutting edge. Or are they specializing in low-end phones and can't afford what M$ is asking?
You don't make a decision like this after you build the product. Sounds like they really had nothing but vapor and have just begun to think about "let's build a cell phone".
You can build you computer from spare parts, buy a 2nd hand computer (cheaper, normally good enough) or buy a computer made to measure by small computer shops.
Then install the OS of your choice.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Read the article.
Moderators: down with him please.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
To quote Robin Williams mocking Bill Gates...
"No Senator, I'm out to control the whole fucking world! It all started with Windows Me, or ME. Now it's going to Information Technology. Soon it will be Total Information Technology, or TIT. And while you're sucking on the TIT, I'll have you by the motherboard!"
I guess Sendo let go of the 'TIT'. =)
Ah am not a crook! (\(-__-)/)
Am I the only one that thought that said, "Sybian?" Immediately followed by, "Nokia ROCKS! Communication and ...er... entertainment.... in one package!"
*** *** You're just jealous 'cause the voices talk to me... ***
Good work that will make a difference?
Well, back to my video games. You know Xbox Live comes out in a week from today right?
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That's the thing about people who think they hate computers. What they
really hate is lousy programmers.
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